Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • MartiniDaniels
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    ^ you mean that imperial got 3% to cost reduction of everything, includin' stealth? :D
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  • Alucardmike
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    I am training for my new life in game...


    https://xboxclips.com/Alucardmike/f6c86321-ff73-47d3-b710-ab9906258a0f

    The last part is a little bit buggy but works after a few seconds.


    Lol! I dressed my Bosmer in rags (slave outfit style) and beg for money sometimes but nobody actually ever gave me something. Maybe after the patch goes live my 810CP won't fool anyone anymore as the sight of a Bosmer alone is pitiful enough to donate?

    I do this now every day for about 1 hour. (Since a week)
    In Rawl kha I got the best reactions. But I do not know how it looks on the other platforms.
    There were also people giving me food, clothings and other stuff.

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  • zyk
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    zaria wrote: »
    Now add how the Khajiit see Bosmer.


    Some other Khajiit in Rawl'kwa who had something to say about Bosmer.
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    ZOS will need to change the NPC text to something like, "no need to hire a Bosmer to catch these inferior Bosmer thieves!"
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  • frostitomik
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    OMG this game is actually so racist. Imagine if these lines were used in some other game with actual real world races. The game would get banned.
  • BlueRaven
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    Everstorm wrote: »

    Stealthier than o:)

    I sensed a typo in there. I felt it. But I kept thinking it was “stealth”. :D
  • Tasear
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Tasear wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    My only stealth character is a bosmer nightblade who I created to do the dark brotherhood and thieves guild quests.

    After years of farting about she has finally maxed both of those skill lines, just in the nick of time it appears.

    She does not pvp whatsoever so the new pathetically implemented bosmer racial is both pointless and useless to her.

    If ZOS is going to force us into pvp-only passives then they are just being woefully ignorant.

    I do not pvp, my characters do not pvp, stop hitting us with the pvp-hammer-of-stupidity.



    They have a history of making PvP tweaks to the detriment of PvE focused players. Like killing speed to 'assist in targeting of players in PvP'. They could care less about explorers, material farmers, and questers (which make up the majority of their player base), and will blanket nerf everything to quiet the complaining of the vocal minority of PvP focused players.

    So yeah, taking away stealth and replacing it with PvP only benefits is totally in line with their flawed logic.

    So be louder 🤔?

    The only way I can think of that we can be louder is to start dropping f-bombs in the thread titles. What are we doing wrong? How can we be louder?

    🤔 Use PvP> pve angle to gather support in getting balance for pve.
  • JobooAGS
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    max_only wrote: »
    This change goes against the original vision, the established precedent, in-universe realism, and the lore within the game itself.

    But it sells more race change tokens. All arguments neutralized!

    @WhyMustItBe I don't even think that's true. If that was the case they would have kicked Redguard off the sustain throne and replaced them with Bosmer so all the meta chasers switch to Bosmer to be "BiS" again. I suspect that Bosmer mains are more likely to stop playing than to switch to Khajiit simply to keep their sneaking passive, since they would have made a Khajiit if they wanted to play one.

    Well, bosmer sustains better than redguard in 3 out of the 5 classes, arguably 4 out of the 5 and has more resistances. I would also take the pen and movement speed over the 15% multipicative snare reduction as well.

    Both races need changes
  • JobooAGS
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    max_only wrote: »
    This change goes against the original vision, the established precedent, in-universe realism, and the lore within the game itself.

    But it sells more race change tokens. All arguments neutralized!

    @WhyMustItBe I don't even think that's true. If that was the case they would have kicked Redguard off the sustain throne and replaced them with Bosmer so all the meta chasers switch to Bosmer to be "BiS" again. I suspect that Bosmer mains are more likely to stop playing than to switch to Khajiit simply to keep their sneaking passive, since they would have made a Khajiit if they wanted to play one.

    Well, bosmer sustains better than redguard in 3 out of the 5 classes, arguably 4 out of the 5 and has more resistances. I would also take the pen and movement speed over the 15% multipicative snare reduction as well.

    Both races need changes

    @JobooAGS Interesting. I thought Redguard was still the number one. 258 recovery doesn't sound like a lot. Even with the 20% increase from CP that's just 310 recovery. Redguards get around 380 recovery from their Adrenaline rush (if they are continuously using direct attacks and have the 8% weapon cost reduction on top (which should apply to ults too). Maybe the medium armor bonus pushes Bosmer in front of Redguard or something... but eitherway, we are here because Bosmer are supposed to be stealthy!

    Medium armor, cp class passives. There are alot of ways to get more regen for your buck on bosmer. Hint you only need a regen modifier of 47% to beat adrenline rush, which is stupid easy to accomplish
  • max_only
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    They are going to pax east this year. It’s a bit far but I may make a special trip this year.

    By then it will have been too late I think. Maybe meeting the players would change their mind but this dev team can be stubborn
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  • BlueRaven
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    max_only wrote: »
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    They are going to pax east this year. It’s a bit far but I may make a special trip this year.

    By then it will have been too late I think. Maybe meeting the players would change their mind but this dev team can be stubborn

    Well we are into the 11th hour now. My only real hope is an influx of pissed off Bosmer players next week.

    I want to go and see if they can really justify the stealth nerf.

    Edit: Meant to add the latest patch notes.

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459684/pts-patch-notes-v4-3-4#latest
    Edited by BlueRaven on February 18, 2019 7:35PM
  • Left4Daud
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    @BlueRaven

    I’m wondering if it’s worth causing a ruckus this last week to try and force an adjustment. We’re just not getting enough support on this issue. I know personally I’ve felt defeated on and off throughout this cycle, stayed silent some days then vocal others. I think there are a lot of lurking Bosmer players that are watching this unfold, and a lot of players in game that won’t feel this until it hits them.

    Well our little friends won’t be able to hide in the shadows much longer, and I fear by then it might be too late.

  • WIZZARD2K
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    I 100% agree
  • Left4Daud
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    Also they split the resistance passive wrong. Argonians should have got the poison half and Bosmer the disease half. Though you can argue that they both should have kept, well, both.
  • RavenSworn
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Nerouyn wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Well the single player games DO have racials. In skyrim for example, when you make a character each race has bonuses to certain skill lines based on race. But it is done in a subtle way which is nice.

    INCORRECT.

    They have STARTING bonuses to certain skills. Once a skill is maxed in the single player games, every race is statistically identical.

    The equivalent in ESO is Altmer learning destruction staff quicker. Those ones are fine.

    It's the other racials which need to go. All of them.

    Well I would consider those racials, as the starting points of the different races are different, but I think we are just going to have an argument about semantics at this point.

    Anyway, there is also this from skyrim;

    Powers;

    Altmer (High elf) - Highborn - Regenerate 25% of the character’s maximum magicka per second for 60 seconds.
    Argonian - Histskin - Regenerate health 10 times faster for 60 seconds.
    Bosmer (Wood Elf) - Command Animal - Make all surrounding animals your allies for 60 seconds.
    Breton - Dragonskin - Absorb 50% of magicka from all incoming spells for 60 seconds.
    Dunmer (Dark Elf) - Ancestor’s Wrath - Surrounds the character in fire for 60 seconds.
    Imperial - Voice of the Emperor - Nearby people are Calmed for 30 seconds.
    Khajiit - Night Eye - Improved Night Vision for 60 seconds (can be toggled multiple times per day).
    Nord - Battle Cry - Nearby enemies are Frightened for 30 seconds.
    Orsimer (Orc) - Berserker Rage - Take half damage and do double physical damage for 60 seconds.
    Redguard - Adrenaline Rush - Regenerate stamina 10 times faster for 60 seconds.

    And these...

    Altmer: +50 Magicka
    Argonian: 50% Disease Resistance, Waterbreathing
    Bosmer: 50% Resistance to both Poison and Disease
    Breton: 25% Resistance to Magic
    Dunmer: 50% Resistance to Fire Damage
    Imperial: Find more gold than usual
    Khajiit: +15 Base Unarmed Damage
    Nord: 50% Resistance to Frost Damage
    Orsimer: None
    Redguard: 50% Resistance to Poison

    As you can see these are hardly balanced between the races (I had no idea until I looked it up that Orsimer had none of those racial effects, sheesh).

    It's ironic that kahjits are the ones who have the improved sight in skyrim.

    See why can't bosmer have that extra damage done when pets are active or even gain resource when a pet attacks a target or something? Like seriously. What's with the damn dodge roll stuff..
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  • Ratzkifal
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    mxxo wrote: »
    It is depressing to see that devs and reps cannot look beyond math. They really have no idea what's going on in their own game.

    Well i guess they had an idea for a bigger picture. Problem is that the bigger picture seems more important than its pieces.

    Well said and well... sad.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
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