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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • BlueRaven
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    Yeah Kahjits are in a nice place (I believe) the other AD mers, not so much.
  • Tasear
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    I hope the look adjusting elf races, especially bosmers
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  • Nerouyn
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Well the single player games DO have racials. In skyrim for example, when you make a character each race has bonuses to certain skill lines based on race. But it is done in a subtle way which is nice.

    INCORRECT.

    They have STARTING bonuses to certain skills. Once a skill is maxed in the single player games, every race is statistically identical.

    The equivalent in ESO is Altmer learning destruction staff quicker. Those ones are fine.

    It's the other racials which need to go. All of them.
  • BlueRaven
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    Nerouyn wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Well the single player games DO have racials. In skyrim for example, when you make a character each race has bonuses to certain skill lines based on race. But it is done in a subtle way which is nice.

    INCORRECT.

    They have STARTING bonuses to certain skills. Once a skill is maxed in the single player games, every race is statistically identical.

    The equivalent in ESO is Altmer learning destruction staff quicker. Those ones are fine.

    It's the other racials which need to go. All of them.

    Well I would consider those racials, as the starting points of the different races are different, but I think we are just going to have an argument about semantics at this point.

    Anyway, there is also this from skyrim;

    Powers;

    Altmer (High elf) - Highborn - Regenerate 25% of the character’s maximum magicka per second for 60 seconds.
    Argonian - Histskin - Regenerate health 10 times faster for 60 seconds.
    Bosmer (Wood Elf) - Command Animal - Make all surrounding animals your allies for 60 seconds.
    Breton - Dragonskin - Absorb 50% of magicka from all incoming spells for 60 seconds.
    Dunmer (Dark Elf) - Ancestor’s Wrath - Surrounds the character in fire for 60 seconds.
    Imperial - Voice of the Emperor - Nearby people are Calmed for 30 seconds.
    Khajiit - Night Eye - Improved Night Vision for 60 seconds (can be toggled multiple times per day).
    Nord - Battle Cry - Nearby enemies are Frightened for 30 seconds.
    Orsimer (Orc) - Berserker Rage - Take half damage and do double physical damage for 60 seconds.
    Redguard - Adrenaline Rush - Regenerate stamina 10 times faster for 60 seconds.

    And these...

    Altmer: +50 Magicka
    Argonian: 50% Disease Resistance, Waterbreathing
    Bosmer: 50% Resistance to both Poison and Disease
    Breton: 25% Resistance to Magic
    Dunmer: 50% Resistance to Fire Damage
    Imperial: Find more gold than usual
    Khajiit: +15 Base Unarmed Damage
    Nord: 50% Resistance to Frost Damage
    Orsimer: None
    Redguard: 50% Resistance to Poison

    As you can see these are hardly balanced between the races (I had no idea until I looked it up that Orsimer had none of those racial effects, sheesh).

    It's ironic that kahjits are the ones who have the improved sight in skyrim.
    Edited by BlueRaven on February 15, 2019 4:46AM
  • starkerealm
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    I made a Bosmer nightblade even before there was a justice system, anticipating that he would be useful for thieving at some point. And Thieves Guild turned out to be one of the better quest lines in the game.

    Now, years later, I use the stealth mainly to speed through delves and the like, something I have done as recently as today, for the Morrowind event.

    The character is based on one I made over 25 years ago, a D&D half elf. I'd really prefer not to change him to Khajit.

    So, this is a bad time to point out, if you're emulating a half-elf, the racial pick in ESO is a Breton?

    Incidentally, if you're wanting to make any character stealthy, my recomendation would be either Night Mother's Embrace (the Night Mother drop set, not the crafted one), and either Darkstride, Night Terror (for reduced detection radius), or Night's Silence (for full movement in stealth).
    Edited by starkerealm on February 15, 2019 6:16AM
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  • BlueRaven
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    I made a Bosmer nightblade even before there was a justice system, anticipating that he would be useful for thieving at some point. And Thieves Guild turned out to be one of the better quest lines in the game.

    Now, years later, I use the stealth mainly to speed through delves and the like, something I have done as recently as today, for the Morrowind event.

    The character is based on one I made over 25 years ago, a D&D half elf. I'd really prefer not to change him to Khajit.

    So, this is a bad time to point out, if you're emulating a half-elf, the racial pick in ESO is a Breton?

    It does not quite work like that when you go from one game system to another. Value judgements may have to be made. Yes Bretons are part human and elf which lines up with half elf, but the way the character played may make the Bosmer racials fit better with the character (and bosmers are also elven so that helps). If this person’s D&D character was sneaky, a race that emphasizes stealth might be better pick.

    As for myself my deep dive with my Bosmer can be traced back to WoW (a blood elf rogue). High elves would seem a natural fit in Skyrim where I recreated her, but I went Bosmer to emphasize the stealth. And all of this leads to eso.
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    Aliyavana wrote: »
    People dont like the new racials because it isnt exactly much of an improvement. Penetration on dodge roll is laughable. i wont miss the stealth bonus if the replacement racials are good.

    The replacement would have to be amazing. I mean, no longer bottom tier type of amazing.
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Amazing post! Really well written!

    Thanks, I explained the situation to someone who isn’t a gamer and they helped. Even just showing someone a lineup of the races and it’s obvious.
    Edited by max_only on February 15, 2019 7:03PM
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  • BlueRaven
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    I wonder if they are ever going to address this topic.

    They have an eso live tonight, I hope it gets brought up.
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    Why are people talking about class reps when the class reps neither have a say in these changes nor an actual authority on the matter? We don't have race reps. Sure, I think it sucks that none of them address Bosmer, but I think the reason that is is because nobody was playing Bosmer before. Certainly not class reps which are expected to play the most optimal builds, and Bosmer has never been "the most optimal" for anything.

    If you take this issue seriously, then keep posting and give constructive criticism.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • barney2525
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    Well, If they are going to give them stealth detection where there are no PVE characters that hide, we can help them out by adding Crit resistance in PVE.

    8D

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    Maybe they'll be able to harvest Scuttleblooms without sneaking!



    Edited by Jaraal on February 16, 2019 5:25PM
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
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    barney2525 wrote: »
    Well, If they are going to give them stealth detection where there are no PVE characters that hide, we can help them out by adding Crit resistance in PVE.

    8D

    Lol, seriously, my first cp160 crafted set was all impen hundings, because I liked reduced cost of repair and critical resistance number looked big, though i didn't know what it is at that time :D
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  • mxxo
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    Bosmer should get some Magicka. This would be only fair. I dont see why Khajiit gets Magicka and Bosmer not. Both Races have a slight affinity to Magicka. I would happily trade the Rolling Clown Skill :p for that.
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Something I just realized. After Wrathstone, Imperials will be a better sneaking race than Bosmer, because the 3% apply to sneak cost. What a world we are living in :D

    Wait, is this right? I thought the imperial ability was for things like weapon abilities and spells. But are things like sprinting and stealth included as well?
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    I agree. Personally I would just leave Bosmer where it is currently on live servers. Crit from stealth and detection. Woodelves unlike the khajit are not magic oriented so if you want more of a hybrid stamina magic nb use the furry race. But for us archers and stam assassins keep things as they are.
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    My only stealth character is a bosmer nightblade who I created to do the dark brotherhood and thieves guild quests.

    After years of farting about she has finally maxed both of those skill lines, just in the nick of time it appears.

    She does not pvp whatsoever so the new pathetically implemented bosmer racial is both pointless and useless to her.

    If ZOS is going to force us into pvp-only passives then they are just being woefully ignorant.

    I do not pvp, my characters do not pvp, stop hitting us with the pvp-hammer-of-stupidity.



    They have a history of making PvP tweaks to the detriment of PvE focused players. Like killing speed to 'assist in targeting of players in PvP'. They could care less about explorers, material farmers, and questers (which make up the majority of their player base), and will blanket nerf everything to quiet the complaining of the vocal minority of PvP focused players.

    So yeah, taking away stealth and replacing it with PvP only benefits is totally in line with their flawed logic.

    So be louder 🤔?
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  • BlueRaven
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    My only stealth character is a bosmer nightblade who I created to do the dark brotherhood and thieves guild quests.

    After years of farting about she has finally maxed both of those skill lines, just in the nick of time it appears.

    She does not pvp whatsoever so the new pathetically implemented bosmer racial is both pointless and useless to her.

    If ZOS is going to force us into pvp-only passives then they are just being woefully ignorant.

    I do not pvp, my characters do not pvp, stop hitting us with the pvp-hammer-of-stupidity.



    They have a history of making PvP tweaks to the detriment of PvE focused players. Like killing speed to 'assist in targeting of players in PvP'. They could care less about explorers, material farmers, and questers (which make up the majority of their player base), and will blanket nerf everything to quiet the complaining of the vocal minority of PvP focused players.

    So yeah, taking away stealth and replacing it with PvP only benefits is totally in line with their flawed logic.

    So be louder 🤔?

    The only way I can think of that we can be louder is to start dropping f-bombs in the thread titles. What are we doing wrong? How can we be louder?
  • mxxo
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    I agree. Personally I would just leave Bosmer where it is currently on live servers. Crit from stealth and detection. Woodelves unlike the khajit are not magic oriented so if you want more of a hybrid stamina magic nb use the furry race. But for us archers and stam assassins keep things as they are.

    Thats not true. Only a minority of the Khajiit has an affinity to magic. And all Bosmer had always an affinity to alteration, illusion, healing and alchemy.
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    I think it's enough if we keep the thread going. If ZOS closes it because it has "derailed" then we just have to make another. Everything has be said pretty much but it can't be stressed enough how important this issue is!
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
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    They are going to pax east this year. It’s a bit far but I may make a special trip this year.
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