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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Ratzkifal
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    mxxo wrote: »
    I agree. Personally I would just leave Bosmer where it is currently on live servers. Crit from stealth and detection. Woodelves unlike the khajit are not magic oriented so if you want more of a hybrid stamina magic nb use the furry race. But for us archers and stam assassins keep things as they are.

    Thats not true. Only a minority of the Khajiit has an affinity to magic. And all Bosmer had always an affinity to alteration, illusion, healing and alchemy.

    Apart from healing, none of these are really reflectable in the stats existing in ESO. Destruction and Conjuration are spell damage, Restoration is healing, and Alteration would be sort of a defensive/utility magic stat. Illusion could only be represented by a magical dodge chance, which already sounds ridiculous. Buffing magic overall makes them also good at destruction and conjuration, thus not separating them enough from Altmer and Dunmer imo.

    Bows and agility and STEALTHINESS are a much better theme to represent Bosmer in ESO.
    Personally I think Khajiit shouldn't have been buffed for magic damage, because the majority of Khajiit aren't all that magical - just like Nords - while Dunmer, Altmer, Bretons and (to an extend) Imperials are. Still it's not really that bothersome to me since unlike Nords, there does in fact exist an entire breed of magic cats other than the Alfiq.
    Edited by Ratzkifal on February 16, 2019 9:23PM
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Esha76
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    My very first character, created way back during early access, is a Bosmer Nightblade. She is still my main today, and I greatly dislike losing the sneak passive. I can understand it being adjusted, and Khajiit being better at sneaking, but all out removal is rather disappointing.

    All though, did I hear/see Rich Lambert say something about changes coming where people can specialize their characters in sneaking? I typically don't fabricate memories, only voices in my head.
    "There is no moisture in your angry stares." - Laughs-at-All
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    "Scales here is about to have a really bad day..." - Valeric
    "Just tell me what you're doing here before I turn your heart into a tomato..." - Sereyne
    "Break those rocks! Dig those ditches! Why??? Because I want you to!!!" - Ifriz the Unraveller
    "There are worse masters than I. Far worse." - Molag Bal
    "I humiliated the Daedra in Mehrunes Spite." - You, when turning in a specific Undaunted Daily.
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    "Old Ri'hirr likes his birds slow and stupid!" - Old Ri'hirr
    "When things get dirty... Oh, I get so flustered." - Meredil the Archivist
    "Too many Argonians about these days..." - Davon's Watch Guard (though I think this one has been removed from game)
  • BlueRaven
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    Esha76 wrote: »
    My very first character, created way back during early access, is a Bosmer Nightblade. She is still my main today, and I greatly dislike losing the sneak passive. I can understand it being adjusted, and Khajiit being better at sneaking, but all out removal is rather disappointing.

    All though, did I hear/see Rich Lambert say something about changes coming where people can specialize their characters in sneaking? I typically don't fabricate memories, only voices in my head.


    This is the quote;

    "ZOS has heard concerns about the stackable powerful movement speed. Bosmers will still get a speed boost off dodge, it just wont be as high. Bosmers will get some short damage bonus as compensation. Note: Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race. With these additions, stealth gameplay will open up to more players, and also allow bosmers to have the nice combat buff will still having avenues to be as stealthy as before."

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1

    But when this is happening is not known. We may see something in Elsweyr, we may see something in year or three. We don't know.
    Edited by BlueRaven on February 17, 2019 12:16AM
  • Sylvermynx
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    Eh.... "nice combat buff" - not for me in pve. Just as well I don't play my Bosmer as stealthy types anyway.
    Edited by Sylvermynx on February 17, 2019 12:04AM
  • mxxo
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    mxxo wrote: »
    I agree. Personally I would just leave Bosmer where it is currently on live servers. Crit from stealth and detection. Woodelves unlike the khajit are not magic oriented so if you want more of a hybrid stamina magic nb use the furry race. But for us archers and stam assassins keep things as they are.

    Thats not true. Only a minority of the Khajiit has an affinity to magic. And all Bosmer had always an affinity to alteration, illusion, healing and alchemy.

    Apart from healing, none of these are really reflectable in the stats existing in ESO. Destruction and Conjuration are spell damage, Restoration is healing, and Alteration would be sort of a defensive/utility magic stat. Illusion could only be represented by a magical dodge chance, which already sounds ridiculous. Buffing magic overall makes them also good at destruction and conjuration, thus not separating them enough from Altmer and Dunmer imo.

    Bows and agility and STEALTHINESS are a much better theme to represent Bosmer in ESO.
    Personally I think Khajiit shouldn't have been buffed for magic damage, because the majority of Khajiit aren't all that magical - just like Nords - while Dunmer, Altmer, Bretons and (to an extend) Imperials are. Still it's not really that bothersome to me since unlike Nords, there does in fact exist an entire breed of magic cats other than the Alfiq.

    Thats a bit simple. Orcs can use a destruction staff, too. So the point that a bit Magicka makes them "good" is not valid. I didnt say give them Spell Damage.

    You are right about Khajiit: its more likely that the average Bosmer is able to utilize Magic than the average Khajiit.
    Edited by mxxo on February 17, 2019 5:46AM
  • Ratzkifal
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Why are people talking about class reps when the class reps neither have a say in these changes nor an actual authority on the matter? We don't have race reps. Sure, I think it sucks that none of them address Bosmer, but I think the reason that is is because nobody was playing Bosmer before. Certainly not class reps which are expected to play the most optimal builds, and Bosmer has never been "the most optimal" for anything.

    If you take this issue seriously, then keep posting and give constructive criticism.

    reps are being brought up because its entirely relevant to the discussion. they are supposed to look at feedback from EVERY aspect of the eso community and curate and present that feedback in a coherent way to the devs, of which they have direct lines of communication with.

    you can be sure that they have given feedback on their preferred races, even though they aren't "race" reps.

    alcast doesn't even list woodelf in any of his stam builds as a race choice lol, he'll list friggen NORD before he puts woodelf.

    like you said, no current reps play woodelf. reps don't care about woodelf. Zos could completely remove hunters eye passive from woodelves and give them NOTHING in return and reps wouldn't bat an eye. they are too busy focusing on the ult gen of nord and the dps parses of orc and redguard to ever even spend one second vouching for woodelf.

    so yes we are calling out the class reps.

    they aren't representing our woodelf concerns properly and this is a problem

    @TheMythicDawn I don't get why you are saying that when the class reps did mention concern about the Bosmer stealth change. They are doing their job properly.
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    This is the quote;

    "Note: Reps specifically asked about the community’s concern that bosmers are trading stealth for different buffs. We were told that ZOS saw these concerns and would work on creating more options/systems for stealth gameplay outside of race."

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456997/class-reps-update-meeting-notes-jan-30-2019/p1
    Besides, the class reps are really the wrong target here. ZOS is the ones making the changes and whether Alcast recommends Bosmer or not has nothing to do with the current PTS. They don't write the patch notes, they just discuss them and make suggestions.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • BlueRaven
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    I'm pretty sure the Bosmer stealth bonus is the only racial I've ever really noticed/thought about on the characters I've created - I pick races by appearance & theme, what seems to 'fit' the character I'm making. So, yeah, it's kind of disappointing to lose it on my PvE stealth character.

    I'm not race-changing any of my characters, regardless of what happens to racials. Again, because the race is part of the characters' design, thematically.

    That is my thoughts on almost all of my races. The only exception I might do is with my Nord Warden healer (Nords like cold, wardens have frost spells, a nord frost caster! Brilliant!), the sustain is just annoying and I might as well switch to breton... Maybe.
  • Ratzkifal
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    @BlueRaven
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the Bosmer stealth bonus is the only racial I've ever really noticed/thought about on the characters I've created - I pick races by appearance & theme, what seems to 'fit' the character I'm making. So, yeah, it's kind of disappointing to lose it on my PvE stealth character.

    I'm not race-changing any of my characters, regardless of what happens to racials. Again, because the race is part of the characters' design, thematically.

    That is my thoughts on almost all of my races. The only exception I might do is with my Nord Warden healer (Nords like cold, wardens have frost spells, a nord frost caster! Brilliant!), the sustain is just annoying and I might as well switch to breton... Maybe.

    You could try running Alteration Mastery on your Nord Warden before you switch. The 6% cost reduction helps with your sustain but also applies to your ultimate, so your group will appreciate the higher number of warhorns you can provide.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • MartiniDaniels
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    I am training for my new life in game...


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