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PTS Update 21 - Feedback Thread for Racial Passive Changes

  • zaria
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    khajiit and wood elf should have dark stalker passive from vampire - ability to move without movement speed penalty while crouched/stealthed.
    atm stealth classes are 99% forced to play vampire
    This one as in Khajiit is good enough. It would be nice buff for Bosmer however.
    Lots select Bosmers as they are cute and Khajiit is one of the few races who can pull off vampire without looking horrible.
    Dunmer manages it pretty well to.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Zypheran
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    I like the changes in general. I think they offer a lot more diversity. I'm looking forward to finally having a viable magicka Khajiit.
    I would suggest though, for future tweaks, would it not be worth expanding on the 'increase by x to whichever resource is higher' idea? Rather than saying an orc has to be stam and a high elf has to be magicka, I would love to see more perks say something like "increase your max resource pool by 2000". Same for recovery and damage. Let the player decide whether to play the race as stam or mag.
    It's a small tweak that wouldn't affect existing builds or balance but would allow even more diversity.
    Edited by Zypheran on February 10, 2019 9:32AM
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  • MLGProPlayer
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    Here is a good way to look at Altmer right now.

    Why would anyone EVER pick Altmer (other than if they like the way they look)?

    They provide the same DPS as Breton/Khajiit/Dunmer, but NOTHING above and beyond what those other races provide.

    - Breton = Top magicka DPS + Top magicka sustain
    - Khajiit = Top magicka DPS + Top stamina DPS
    - Dunmer = Top magicka DPS + Top stamina DPS
    - Altmer = Top magicka DPS...
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on February 10, 2019 10:44AM
  • morrowinger
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    To ESO guys: High Elf new racial bonuses- very bad re-balance=nerf.

    "Spell Recharge: The return for this passive will now restore your lowest maximum resource, rather than your highest."
    High elf is magic-oriented race, usually gamers use it for mage-builds.
    Lowest resource in this case - Stamina. WE DON'T NEED STAMINA REGEN, BUT MANA !!!
    After few last patches players got big problem with sustain mana!
    And you guys do it worst again!! When we play in ESO game, you, guys, play games with us.
    You must return Spellcharge: 9% Magicka Recovery and just increase in up to 30%.

    "Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Syrabane’s Boon: Increases your Max Magicka by 2000"
    No-no-no! Return it back! We will lost a few thousands of mana.

    "Elemental Talent: 4% Fire/Shock/Ice damage → Increases your Spell Damage by 258."
    My be it's good, because last few patches, for example, MageSorcs lost damage, role moved to support side.

    In last massive update you nerfed shields so bad. You tried to play now as MageSorc in PVP ? die very fast. At same time some melee classes can fight with group of enemy players and never die!

    Breton:
    "Gift of Magnus: 10% Max Magicka → Increases your Max Magicka by 2000."
    Same - lost a lot of mana, need return it back.

    If you cannot do it better, just return it back!
  • danielarvynn1
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    DISCLAIMER: I don't have the maths behind my reasoning here but I've done my research and testing, and most importantly, experience. I did my DPS test on a Magicka NIghtblade with Spell Strat, Siroria and Valkyn Skoria against a 6-Million target Dummy.

    When it comes to magicka DD races, Altmer and Dunmer feel lackluster with the changes to their passives. Compared to a Khajiit's 8% Spell Crit bonus, a 258 Spell Damage bonus is not as powerful. Ever since I've been doing 4-man and 12-man activities in ESO, Crit is always king, even after some of the nerfs received, as it scales way better with raid buffs. This would also come in tandem with the recent buff(or un-nerfing) of Shadow Mundus. Even better, Khajiit has a tiny bit of recovery no matter how negligible that is. This makes them a better Dunmer on live servers.

    Also the 7% Cost Reduction on Breton is better sustain in comparison to High Elves' recently changed Spell Recharge passive(utter useless) and none to Dark Elves at all. The loss in Spell Damage bonus to Bretons can be made up by using a Berserker enchant, which grants more Spell Damage (with at least 60% uptime) than the bonuses from both Altmer and Dunmer, therefore making them more effective in DPS. On top of that, they can be tank-ier with the resistance buff received.

    So what can we do to salvage Altmer and Dunmer?

    Altmer:
    1. Increase Spell Damage Bonus up to 300
    2. Revert Spell Recharge passive from 4.3.2 to 4.3.0, where it will restore whichever is higher. Or better yet, keep the same passive in 4.3.2 but it should be based on Maximum percentage at a given point, instead of the Max Value, i.e. I have 70% Max Magicka and 100% Stamina at the moment, Spell Recharge will restore Magicka; if I have 60% Magicka and 50% Stamina, Spell Recharge will restore stamina. This will be a good balance but I don't think it's game breaking.
    3. Since most changes are going with lore, increase Max Magicka Bonus to 2500.

    Dunmer:
    1. Change Resist Flame to Destructive Ancestry, where Dunmer's would still receive Flame Damage resistance and Burn Immunity, and add an increased 50% chance to Burn enemies (or increase Burn Damage to 50%).
    2. Bump Ruination to 270 Weapon and Spell Damage, or increase Dynamic to 2000 Max Magicka and Stamina.

    The suggestions that I made above will someone keep most of the races' identity and would still be viable options and more appealing to everyone.
  • Cinbri
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    So Imperials now have Alteration set bonus effect. That is indeed far more versatile than just block cost glyph effect.
    Edited by Cinbri on February 11, 2019 6:50PM
  • josiahva
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    Imperial:

    3% cost reduction to all abilities instead of the 5% bash and block reduction. This is a great improvement...I could wish for a flat magicka stat bonus as well...but even without that, combined with Robes of Alteration Mastery, this makes Imperial an appealing race now...at least as a tank,even as a healer, or a healer/tank hybrid. It will make my Healer/Tank hybrid better for sure(who is currently an altmer, but wont be for long). Please ZOS...make the race perfect for hybrid and tank builds by adding 1000 magicka. Aside from that....this is definitely heading in the right direction
  • SidewalkChalk5
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    Starlock wrote: »
    Current thoughts from an console player:
    • I'm really distraught that the nonsensical change to Altmer in 4.3.2. has not been reverted in 4.3.3. My lightning mage does not need stamina regeneration and he will be loosing a lot of magicka regen. That is not okay. Stop it. I liked the original presentation of the race changes because they mostly preserved the original flavor without taking things away. It is not okay to take away magica regen from Altmer and replace it with something useless like stamina regen. JUST STOP.

    That's right. This change violates ALL publicly stated company goals (preserving racial gameplay identity, racial balance, and lore). If it goes live the message is clear: their unstated private goal is an unethical, scummy cash grab. I wouldn't be surprised if the people making these decisions get paid a commission on race change token sales. I absolutely refuse to continue supporting this company if they follow through with this senseless nerf to Altmer.

    An ethical game company earns its income by creating and selling content, not by retroactively destroying player characters and forcing them to pay to fix them.
    Edited by SidewalkChalk5 on February 11, 2019 7:26PM
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  • lueckgenb16_ESO
    Altmer:
    1. Increase Spell Damage Bonus up to 300
    2. Revert Spell Recharge passive from 4.3.2 to 4.3.0, where it will restore whichever is higher. Or better yet, keep the same passive in 4.3.2 but it should be based on Maximum percentage at a given point, instead of the Max Value, i.e. I have 70% Max Magicka and 100% Stamina at the moment, Spell Recharge will restore Magicka; if I have 60% Magicka and 50% Stamina, Spell Recharge will restore stamina. This will be a good balance but I don't think it's game breaking.
    3. Since most changes are going with lore, increase Max Magicka Bonus to 2500.

    This! Especially the part I highlighted. This would atleast made SOME sense. I still can't believe how anyone of the DEVs could think that the 4.3.2 change makes any sense. Please think aboút it. Its a dumb decision as it is. Don't be stupid pls.
  • naga.
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    Feline Ambush: Reworked the 8% Spell and Weapon Critical Strike Chance to 10% Critical Damage and Critical Healing.

    I guess in response to feedback that cats are getting reduced to being average DDs of both varieties due to near complete lack of sustain, you decided to make them average healers without sustain as well. By average I mean that you won't be able to actually pull off the numbers you potential could unless you're in a group with shards, orbs and perfect warhorns.

    I'm starting to believe in a conspiracy that ZOS are trying to control the size of the Khajiit population in Elsweyr by providing us with every reason to change the race of every cat toon we have and never roll another one. Just make sure to put up a sign saying 'Welcome to Elsweyr - where all Khajiit are NPCs' wherever the zone starting location will be.
    Edited by naga. on February 11, 2019 7:39PM
  • BlueRaven
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    anadandy wrote: »
    Wood Elf
    Hunter's Eye: Increased the duration to 6 seconds from 4 seconds. This is to make up for the buff applying immediately as you Roll Dodge.

    So is the whole issue of Stealth Detection just never going to be addressed officially? Almost without exception that has been the number one concern of Bosmer players - the loss of the core identifying passive of the race in exchange for one that has no utility whatsoever outside of PVP. What other race has a passive, or part of a passive, that has no use in PVE (by the devs own admission)?

    ^This.

    If you have a mechanism in place as a fix in the future, maybe make the stealth change to bosmers then. Seriously, why is this continually being brushed aside?

    The roll is a clunky mechanic and I won't use it, but whatever. Just leave the stealth alone and but whatever you want as the second part of it.
  • DisgracefulMind
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    Can we just give Bosmer the 1500 pen as a passive and not tie it to roll dodging? lol
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  • phantasmalD
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    No change to argonians and altmers. Can't say I'm surprised but still kinda disappointed.

    I just really hoped argos get something more exciting and more useful than 6% healing done, even if it means the potion passive gets nerfed. And for the altmers, well, the spellcharge change was just a dumb tweak from a lore standpoint imo.
  • technohic
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    This Khajiit crit thing needs to be reverted. We are going to have more cloak into snipe spammers incoming and no word on whether that health sync is going to be fixed.
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  • mommadani907
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    I'm thinking about shelving my Bosmers. One will either get race changed or played as is out of straight stubbornness. And that is only because I am in no mood to start over on my long trek for Legate Black.
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  • Minno
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    So Imperials now have Alteration set bonus effect. That is indeed far more versatile than just block cost glyph effect.

    agreed. Imperial retained their "brawler" identity with this addition:
    - huge health/stam stat pools
    - versatile offstat+main stat regen
    - cost reduction on ultimates+mag/stam costs
    - block/bash cost basically got nerfed but included SO much more (break free, dodge roll, ultimates, mag+stam)

    VERY attractive for builds looking to offset ALOT of negatives in pvp.
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  • JobooAGS
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    technohic wrote: »
    This Khajiit crit thing needs to be reverted. We are going to have more cloak into snipe spammers incoming and no word on whether that health sync is going to be fixed.

    Snipe is getting looked at for fixing in terms of the desyncs
  • Silver_Strider
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    So Argonian is just worthless for everything now? *Sigh*
    Argonian forever
  • technohic
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    technohic wrote: »
    This Khajiit crit thing needs to be reverted. We are going to have more cloak into snipe spammers incoming and no word on whether that health sync is going to be fixed.

    Snipe is getting looked at for fixing in terms of the desyncs

    Looked at does not mean fixed, and that issue is just on top of the issue of high damage skill from cloak with auto crit at a range beyond any cloak counter except another NB mark.
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  • CurvedSwords123
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    How many more patch passes before they bring this BS live? Anyone know?
    Edited by CurvedSwords123 on February 11, 2019 10:48PM
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