[Class Reps] Meeting Notes - September 25

Bevik

ManicDee wrote: »

How about scaling all shields based on HP, rather than some on HP and others on Magicka? This will help address the issue of ignoring mechanics by boosting DPS since tradeoffs will have to be made between max magicka (to scale DPS) and max health (to scale survivability). Then Bastion still has a purpose in existence.

The CP system unfortunately means that DPS are wondering around with the same resistances as tanks used to have. Cloudrest and Sload's addressed this by using oblivion damage which completely ignores resistances. I wonder if the CP system needs to introduce negatives for each perk to ensure balance? For example, each resistance boost is a net negative to DPS and sustain. Improving "Hardy" might reduce spell damage and weapon damage by a similar percentage to the reduction to incoming damage.

Agree. All shields should scale of HP. Block damage mitigation should scale of stamina and resistances. Shields are going to have resistances from the next patch so. Tanks with huge HP will be viable more, with huge stamina also and with mixed also. Resistance will be more useful on tank as running 2x as any other chars.

LordSlif

hp shields are weak

killmove

All those cry babies sorcs won against ZOS. So pitiful how ZOS lowered their pants...
As if those class representative never faced shield stacking sorcs in pvp.

bardx86

killmove wrote: »

All those cry babies sorcs won against ZOS. So pitiful how ZOS lowered their pants...
As if those class representative never faced shield stacking sorcs in pvp.

Shield are the worst defense in PVP.

bardx86

After adding crits to shields, shield should be increased around 20% not nerfed. Still not getting my money back ZOS.

Juhasow

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

ZOS feels that shields are quite a potent defense mechanic in that they are both excellent reactive and can be used proactively (something Breath of Life cannot)

I love how ZoS feels we're idiots that thinks spamming BoL while blocking is non existant while at the same time spamming shields while blocking is draining stamina and not reducing dmg that shields recive at all.

DorianDragonRaze

@ZOS_RobGarrett let just weapon skills will be enabled on the overload 3rd bar, and just copy the 1st or 2nd bar where the overload is to empty slots of the 3rd bar to avoid confusion of those who don't know about 3rd bar.
Don't remove it please.

Shad0wfire99

How. The. Actual. ***. Does. Wrobel. Still. Work. Here?

Joy_Division

Joy's Feedback for Templars can be found here

Juhasow

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

How. The. Actual. ***. Does. Wrobel. Still. Work. Here?

Well answer is simple he is combat lead designer so in theory he should know combat the best out of all people that works in ZoS so basicly there is noone there who would know if he's doing good or bad job at balancing.

Freddycruz89

@Quantum_V Thank you for the clarifications on the StamDk pain points. I refuse to re roll my main to Mag or play a different toon, so I hope the class will be more useful soon.

LittlePinkDot

Phage wrote: »

Instant cast is required in this fast paced combat.

40% of max hp is pretty freaking low considering most DPS only run ~17k.

A 7k shield isn't worth anything, even my DK Tank's Igneous shield is more than that.

Simple solution. Put attribute points into health and roll dodge more. Want more DPS? Bring a Stam character to the Dungeon\Trail. That was the whole point.

Witar

40% is way too low for pve. And ok for pvp. You kinda can't shieldstack anymore with that. Maybe keep shields the same on pve but make them 50% hp in pvp zones? And remove resistances and crits on them. Resists on shields are kinda wanky idea anyway, will result in already op stamina builds in heavy with capped resistances taking advantage adding undaunted stamina shield to permablock, for example.

StopDropAndBear

I appreciate you, Class Reps

C3N50R3D

What a plan! Add a gigantic nerf to mag shields, then reduce it to a huge nerf with no other changes to offense or heals per hit to offset and suddenly everyone is happy about that? If PvP is the problem, why couldn't they make it so you can't stack harness mag with ward, or would that be too logical? Shield cap of 40% of health is ridiculous for endgame trials, even with resistances. Unless there are changes to add a fluid heal per hit like magblades have, not a burst like surge, that can be added to magsorc rotation, the nerf affects magsorc more than any other mag class, even with the NB heals per hit nerf.

ApostateHobo

Literally all that needed to be done to fix shield stacking is to make shields overwrite each other. Now shields are really useless since you can't really sacrifice damage for more resistances/health/etc, and still do effective dps. I say leave the shields as they are on live in terms of size and cast time, and just make them crittable and possibly add the resistances to them. Not so sure about adding tank resistances to shields though so idk about that part.

Don't understand why they're pretty much punishing people for choosing to be mag dps. Stop sucking the fun out of the game for everyone dang it and actually improve things instead of constantly ruining them. Going to end up killing the game if they keep up this kind of "balancing" for every class.

Pevey

40% cap, wow. ZOS might have managed to come up with the one nerf worse than cast times.

I play at least one character of each class. 13 toons, approximately half magicka, half stamina.

I just don't see how they think shields need to be nerfed, with the sole exception of perhaps not allowing conjured ward and annulment to stack.

shaielzafine

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

How. The. Actual. ***. Does. Wrobel. Still. Work. Here?

LOL

ruikkarikun

Joy_Division wrote: »

Joy's Feedback for Templars can be found here

Hey, what do you think about 40% Hp shields? Isn't it more bad even then cast time?

Toc de Malsvi

code65536 wrote: »

Hey @ZOS_Wrobel - Tell me how shields that are 40% of max health will help when your content has damage that looks like this?


This, BTW, is Veteran Blackrose Prison on the PTS. The damage in this death recap came from mobs--not bosses. And these hits are standard attacks, not special abilities or mechanics. Three hits, each over 8K, in the span of 1.1s. Are you still going to claim that shields are OP in PvE?

We get it, you died. Perhaps try not to let them hit you in the future. I'm certain that those hits were not all unavoidable.

Punishing content is punishing.

Lord_Ninka

I hope the 40% hp shield cap would only affect Annulment and Conjured Ward. At least I'm concerned about the Bone Shield Synergy, hope you don't accidentally nerf that to 40%.

Mannix1958

Lord_Ninka wrote: »

I hope the 40% hp shield cap would only affect Annulment and Conjured Ward. At least I'm concerned about the Bone Shield Synergy, hope you don't accidentally nerf that to 40%.

What? Wait...this whole cap is good unless it affects you?

ZOS_RobGarrett

Drummerx04 wrote: »

Okay, I appreciate the overall direction... but 40% of my health bar on a 24k sorc shield? So Basically why run hardened ward because I'll always be so far over the health cap?

Is this 40% for ALL shields stacking or just each shield individually?

Shields still stack the same way as before. We didn't change that behavior. The health-based cap is applied per individual shield.

ZOS_RobGarrett

itzTJ wrote: »

So does that change to shields occur before or after battle spirit. Because shields are cut in half in pvp. So if a sorc has like 20-24k health, as most do, then they can expect an 8k - 12k shield? (not the best a math). But if you cut it in half because of battle spirit then a sorc with that amount of health is looking at a very small shield. Can someone clarify?

The current plan is for the new cap (based on maximum health) to be enforced after Battle Spirit is applied. In your example, if a Sorc with 24k hp and 35k Magicka casts Annulment:

1. The shield would start at 12,250. (35k Magicka * 0.35 coefficient)
2. The shield would be halved by Battle Spirit to 6,125.
3. The shield would be unaffected by the health-based cap, because 6,125 < 9,600. (9,600 = 40% of 24k hp)

The team will continue to monitor and evaluate the change though.

WeylandLabs

This is so cringe to read that I can't even comment about something, without being ridiculed or attacked instantly.

It's like fighting for something that will never end. And the no lifers won...

Turelus

Thanks for the clarifications Rob, will be interesting to see how this plays once it hits PTS.

code65536

So... based on these two posts by Rob, this is basically a PvE shield nerf, then.

LordSlif

ZOS_RobGarrett wrote: »

itzTJ wrote: »

So does that change to shields occur before or after battle spirit. Because shields are cut in half in pvp. So if a sorc has like 20-24k health, as most do, then they can expect an 8k - 12k shield? (not the best a math). But if you cut it in half because of battle spirit then a sorc with that amount of health is looking at a very small shield. Can someone clarify?

The current plan is for the new cap (based on maximum health) to be enforced after Battle Spirit is applied. In your example, if a Sorc with 24k hp and 35k Magicka casts Annulment:

1. The shield would start at 12,250. (35k Magicka * 0.35 coefficient)
2. The shield would be halved by Battle Spirit to 6,125.
3. The shield would be unaffected by the health-based cap, because 6,125 < 9,600. (9,600 = 40% of 24k hp)

The team will continue to monitor and evaluate the change though.

stack shields in pvp is a huge problem and ZoS will keep it... omg

Izaki

Morgul667 wrote: »

From a stamsorc point of view : I am looking forward to some love but not sure about an ultimate air atronach.
It does not seem so great to me ^^ Nor does it seem to fit quick/mobile playstyle. Hope we dont get something static.

Regarding swift, I do believe there is a trade-off to losing stats and bloodthirsty jewelries. It is true speed has increased but I personally like it. It it was taken away, I hope stamsorc would still have that little something that allows them to stay ahead in terms of speed

Like Minor Expedition (which you can only get from sets or crappy poisons) or like Streak? ^^

Yngol

@ZOS_RobGarrett could we get a better morph option to annullment than dampen magic then? It will be totally pointless to opt for that morph, seeing as one would run into the 40% cap