Is 1vX Outlawed?

Pinja

I feel like if someone does it truly & successfully there characters going to to get hit with a lead pipe next patch.
Just wondering...

Taylor_MB

1vX is very little to do with the 1's skill/build/class and more to do with the x's skills.

SirAndy

Taylor_MB wrote: »

1vX is very little to do with the 1's skill/build/class and more to do with the x's skills.

qft ...

ak_pvp

Taylor_MB wrote: »

1vX is very little to do with the 1's skill/build/class and more to do with the x's skills.

Yep. 2 players of your level will destroy you no matter your build. The best you can do is tank/evade them, as you will most likely not kill them.

Granted it is constantly getting harder as defenses are nerfed and scales consistently worse (block changes, for recent example) and cheese no skill sets like earthgore are put in.

Beardimus

Or just low level / experience players in the X

Checkmath

1vX still has its place i the game, since the scenario of a 1vX happens quite often. also the play style favours actually the situation of one good player against several new or inexpirienced players, since most decent players dont spend time to chase after that one 1vXer. actually its mostly the new players chasing, since they think the solo guy is easy pray based on the advantage of outnumbering him. thats exactly most 1vX situations happen, several new players chase one guy and get smashed by him. decent and experienced players may follow, but they are mostly after some bigger ticks or preys.

SugaComa

My problem with 1vX is they are two types

1vXer who has skill and can not only utilise his build to stay alive but systemically kill his opponents in both in awe and pissed they can build something that can can do this ...

Then there is the one I have zero respect for

The 1vXer who takes no damage and the only thing they can do is run to the top of tower drop off and run to the top and drop off and run to the top and drop off and run to the top and drop off

They can't do damage they can't be killed ... But they can run to the top and drop down ... Over and over and over again

Skander

1vX is dead. The devs got it clear

thankyourat

The biggest buff to 1vX would be if you can interrupt someone trying to rez just by damaging them. As it stands there is no penalty for constantly attempting to resurrect. Interrupting it should be easier I shouldn't have to waste all my stamina bashing a tank while he constantly stays in the back trying to rez. Especially when players realize you are going to 1vX them, they try desperately to rez. People try to rez more than they attempt to fight

Checkmath

i think @Skander doesnt have any nice experiences made the last months in 1vX situations to say such nonsense.

pieratsos

Checkmath wrote: »

i think @Skander doesnt have any nice experiences made the last months in 1vX situations to say such nonsense.

He is actually right. The only 1vX clips you see these days are 1 guy beating 3-4 potatoes. The days of actual 1vX impressive clips are long gone. You rarely see them these days and most of those clips are in places like towers which make it a lot easier to 1vX.

Checkmath

there are still plenty of players around doing impressive solo and 1vX fights in cyrodiil. most of them arent streamers and thats why you dont see much of good fights. additionally most streamers arent thaaaaat good, whch reinforces only 1vX videos against potatoes. just because you dont see any videos, doesnt mean its dead. i know a lot of players being capable of doing so and as long even i can do it, i will not call 1vX dead, especially when i get into situations, where i survive and kill several capped and high rank players, who know what they are doing. and those situations arent that rare.

pieratsos

Checkmath wrote: »

there are still plenty of players around doing impressive solo and 1vX fights in cyrodiil. most of them arent streamers and thats why you dont see much of good fights. additionally most streamers arent thaaaaat good, whch reinforces only 1vX videos against potatoes. just because you dont see any videos, doesnt mean its dead. i know a lot of players being capable of doing so and as long even i can do it, i will not call 1vX dead, especially when i get into situations, where i survive and kill several capped and high rank players, who know what they are doing. and those situations arent that rare.

Then we have a very different definition of impressive. I dont really consider 1 player smacking 5 potatoes with sub dawnbreaker reverse slice impressive or any other equally stupid gameplay.

I fail to see ur point about videos, streamers and not streamers. Are you seriously implying that anyone who records videos is suddenly not thaaaaat good and all those impressive players are not recording their gameplay?

Also, when i said videos my point wasnt about the skill of the players in those videos. My point was about the quality of those videos going down over time. I think its safe to say that over the years the deciding factor in fights has shifted from player skill to player build or other dumb mechanics. Which is one of the reasons why cyro is a zerf festival and why old players that were once playing solo started playing in groups.

Checkmath

i didnt say that smacking potatoes with a dawnbreaker and then reverse slice is impressive. also i didnt say that all streamers are bad. i dont play stamina toons with speeding around and waiting for the dawnbreaker, reverse slice combo. but still, this combo can be impressive, if it gets you kills on one or several decent enemies.
i said, that some streamers arent that good, meaning they gather lots of hour of videos and only show the best scenarios they have made it through. if those videos arent impressive, then the streamer itself cant be that impressive, otherwise he would have better video material. so you recognize an amazing streamer by the amount of good fights he can show off. regarding streamer or no streamer: there arent that much streamers around and as just said, some of them fail to provide impressive video material. but since they only are afew, i assume that the 1vX player base is much bigger and has more non-streamers than streamers, which again would state that there are more qualitativ good non-streamers than streamers.
impressive 1vX isnt about smashing potatoe players, we can all agree with that. impressive for me is if you smash the face of several decent players or a coordinated group. or if you smash a huge zerg like the one from BIGBOSS.

pieratsos

Checkmath wrote: »

i didnt say that smacking potatoes with a dawnbreaker and then reverse slice is impressive. also i didnt say that all streamers are bad. i dont play stamina toons with speeding around and waiting for the dawnbreaker, reverse slice combo. but still, this combo can be impressive, if it gets you kills on one or several decent enemies.
i said, that some streamers arent that good, meaning they gather lots of hour of videos and only show the best scenarios they have made it through. if those videos arent impressive, then the streamer itself cant be that impressive, otherwise he would have better video material. so you recognize an amazing streamer by the amount of good fights he can show off. regarding streamer or no streamer: there arent that much streamers around and as just said, some of them fail to provide impressive video material. but since they only are afew, i assume that the 1vX player base is much bigger and has more non-streamers than streamers, which again would state that there are more qualitativ good non-streamers than streamers.
impressive 1vX isnt about smashing potatoe players, we can all agree with that. impressive for me is if you smash the face of several decent players or a coordinated group. or if you smash a huge zerg like the one from BIGBOSS.

But again you completely ignore my point and you speak of streamer's player skill. Im talking about the quality of the videos and how its dropping every patch. Just the fact that the videos we see today are the "best" they can get, its an indication of what solo gameplay looks like the majority of the time.

Just look at kodi's videos. You can say he is skilled or not and i dont really care. Thats not the point. The point is that his old videos were actually impressive. Clips of all classes in different scenarios etc. Clips that made you say "damn that was good". But the majority of his videos in the last few months was just playing a stamden running around a tower or a rock or a tree spamming shimmering until the pugs stack up to smack them with sub dawnbreaker execute. That doesnt make me say "damn that was good". That makes me say "lmao". And thats our difference. You said that it can be impressive. I dont. In fact kodi himself said that the only reason he was playing stamden or stamblade was because all the other classes were prety much trash for solo.

Also about the bolded part. I think we are talking about completely different things. Smashing decent players, coordinated groups and huge zergs? Its obvious that you are not talking about 1vX. You are talking about groups cause only groups do that. Which was another point i made. That good players these days are playing in groups because of how bad solo actually is. When we are talking about solo, we actually mean solo. 2vX, 3vX, 4vX etc are not solo. The difference between playing solo or with a buddy, is day and night.

Checkmath

which is not true at all, you can play pretty much every class solo and can be succesful, its only a matter of time you invest to play. if you would go around the community, you would see there are still lot of players around capable of what the best streamers are able to, and more. and not only on stamdens, but on every class. yes its easier to do so the have a class with a combo of 20k damage in one second, with extreme ulti regen, so you can make it work every 20 secs. doesnt mean thats all out there. streamers sometimes get comfortable with something that works out. same goes for kodi. he has realized that stamdens and stamnbs have great tools to do the 1vX part and exactly this makes most video content less impressive, because it looks easy and probably is also easy. nothing wrong about it, but if kodi would spend a little bit more time on another class, he could stream more impressive game play just by the fact, that stamdens and stamnbs arent impressive.

pieratsos

Checkmath wrote: »

which is not true at all, you can play pretty much every class solo and can be succesful, its only a matter of time you invest to play. if you would go around the community, you would see there are still lot of players around capable of what the best streamers are able to, and more. and not only on stamdens, but on every class. yes its easier to do so the have a class with a combo of 20k damage in one second, with extreme ulti regen, so you can make it work every 20 secs. doesnt mean thats all out there. streamers sometimes get comfortable with something that works out. same goes for kodi. he has realized that stamdens and stamnbs have great tools to do the 1vX part and exactly this makes most video content less impressive, because it looks easy and probably is also easy. nothing wrong about it, but if kodi would spend a little bit more time on another class, he could stream more impressive game play just by the fact, that stamdens and stamnbs arent impressive.

I never said that its impossible to 1vX on all classes. All classes can 1vX cause simply all classes can kill potatoes. Being trash in solo does not equate with being incapable to 1vX. It just means that the gameplay will be mostly trash the majority of the time for various reasons.

Your argument about not investing time is completely false. Spend a little more time? That doesnt even make any sense. How can you possibly spend more time on a warden when warden wasnt even in the game for 3 years. Thats like saying kodi started doing PVP after Morrowind.

But again i think we are talking about completely different things. The gameplay that you said that you consider impressive (killing multiple good players, coordinated groups, huge zergs) is irrelevant with solo. You were not talking about solo cause like i said, those things are impossible to do solo. You were just talking about outnumbered situations. When you play solo you will be outnumbered but that doesnt mean that when you are outnumbered, you are playing solo.

Checkmath

they are possible solo, thats why you claim that we talk about different things. its up to you to believe in something or not, but i have seen it with my own eyes, that it is definitely possible.
about kodi, no i didnt say that he started playing with morrowind at all. he is good with the stamden because he mainly plays it since morrowind, he also plays other classes and surely not bad. if he would main a magdk, he could show you same content and lets say same impressive videos with a magdk. why his videos are getting less and less impressive is easy to explain: he focusses on stamden mainly, which results i some situations and same solvement of the situations: by deep fissure, dawnbreaker and reverse slice. its easy and effective. i dont know why he doesnt show much of other classes, but it prooves that either stamden is the easy way, that he isnt concerned about making impressive videos or thats whats fun for him: smashing potatoes.
as said, i already saw stamsorcs killing coordinated groups, i saw myself killing coordinated groups on magplar, everything solo. same goes for killing solo zergs and stuff. if you want to my words verified, you can ask BIGBOSS for example. he surely will not be happy to explain, how a magplar killed half of his group solo.
but anyway, i made my point clear, its up to you to believe me or not.

ak_pvp

pieratsos wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

which is not true at all, you can play pretty much every class solo and can be succesful, its only a matter of time you invest to play. if you would go around the community, you would see there are still lot of players around capable of what the best streamers are able to, and more. and not only on stamdens, but on every class. yes its easier to do so the have a class with a combo of 20k damage in one second, with extreme ulti regen, so you can make it work every 20 secs. doesnt mean thats all out there. streamers sometimes get comfortable with something that works out. same goes for kodi. he has realized that stamdens and stamnbs have great tools to do the 1vX part and exactly this makes most video content less impressive, because it looks easy and probably is also easy. nothing wrong about it, but if kodi would spend a little bit more time on another class, he could stream more impressive game play just by the fact, that stamdens and stamnbs arent impressive.

I never said that its impossible to 1vX on all classes. All classes can 1vX cause simply all classes can kill potatoes. Being trash in solo does not equate with being incapable to 1vX. It just means that the gameplay will be mostly trash the majority of the time for various reasons.

Your argument about not investing time is completely false. Spend a little more time? That doesnt even make any sense. How can you possibly spend more time on a warden when warden wasnt even in the game for 3 years. Thats like saying kodi started doing PVP after Morrowind.

But again i think we are talking about completely different things. The gameplay that you said that you consider impressive (killing multiple good players, coordinated groups, huge zergs) is irrelevant with solo. You were not talking about solo cause like i said, those things are impossible to do solo.

Every class can 1vX, only a few can truly solo in openworld. At least to a playable level. Crushing potatoes and having a good solo class* is very different. *(A class that can single out the right enemies can kill them quick, evade well/have mobility, and survive the zerg when needed or when things get too hot, all whilst dealing with the pressure whilst actually sustaining it.)

Every class can do the former, like 3/10 archetypes can do the latter.

Kel

Most "1vX" videos I've seen isn't even actually 1vX.
Most of them are in a group of at least one other player, sometimes as many as 4. MoS Creator is one such player that brags about "1vX", but is usually in a group. Awesome builds, yes, but he doesn't truly 1vX. Breakingbats is another. His templar build is damn amazing, but he's usually in a group of one or more players.
Don't get me wrong, it's still very, very impressive. But "1" it's not...
Yet, the title of thier video says "1vX".
I always took that to mean one player vs. a group. Maybe it's supposed to mean one small group vs. a much larger group? I dunno, but if that's the case, you need a better term than "1"

pieratsos

ak_pvp wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

which is not true at all, you can play pretty much every class solo and can be succesful, its only a matter of time you invest to play. if you would go around the community, you would see there are still lot of players around capable of what the best streamers are able to, and more. and not only on stamdens, but on every class. yes its easier to do so the have a class with a combo of 20k damage in one second, with extreme ulti regen, so you can make it work every 20 secs. doesnt mean thats all out there. streamers sometimes get comfortable with something that works out. same goes for kodi. he has realized that stamdens and stamnbs have great tools to do the 1vX part and exactly this makes most video content less impressive, because it looks easy and probably is also easy. nothing wrong about it, but if kodi would spend a little bit more time on another class, he could stream more impressive game play just by the fact, that stamdens and stamnbs arent impressive.

I never said that its impossible to 1vX on all classes. All classes can 1vX cause simply all classes can kill potatoes. Being trash in solo does not equate with being incapable to 1vX. It just means that the gameplay will be mostly trash the majority of the time for various reasons.

Your argument about not investing time is completely false. Spend a little more time? That doesnt even make any sense. How can you possibly spend more time on a warden when warden wasnt even in the game for 3 years. Thats like saying kodi started doing PVP after Morrowind.

But again i think we are talking about completely different things. The gameplay that you said that you consider impressive (killing multiple good players, coordinated groups, huge zergs) is irrelevant with solo. You were not talking about solo cause like i said, those things are impossible to do solo.

Every class can 1vX, only a few can truly solo in openworld. At least to a playable level. Crushing potatoes and having a good solo class* is very different. *(A class that can single out the right enemies can kill them quick, evade well/have mobility, and survive the zerg when needed or when things get too hot, all whilst dealing with the pressure whilst actually sustaining it.)

Every class can do the former, like 3/10 archetypes can do the latter.

Well that was my point.

Checkmath

still several decent players, a coordinated group or zergs can be killed by one, we are not one step further now, since all three things do not match your 24+ man group with eartgore and destros....
for some videos to proove what i said you need to wait for me to install a stream or record programm and get some material. and probably a new pc to be able to run everything together.
my statements arent ridiculous, we even were at the point where you halfly agreed to that a coordinated small group, several decent players or zergs can be beaten. the one example of yours, which is ridiculous and not part of the game, since that situation doesnt happen, thats not beatable solo, but also is nothing i stated, that it is.

Torbschka

Actually I can agree on most of what @Checkmath said.

In my opinion it depends a lot of where u are in terms of skill. On PC EU sotha sil many people told me player "x" or "y" is a beast, yet I even 1vX'ed them many times.

I kill 3-4 people very often solo and those are people others would consider "very good 1vXer" themselves. I find it inpressive if soneone kills multiple geared max cp's alone - no matter what class/combo.

Fighting 5 people low CP and noticing after 1second they cant play at all I dont find impressive either.

pieratsos

Checkmath wrote: »

still several decent players, a coordinated group or zergs can be killed by one, we are not one step further now, since all three things do not match your 24+ man group with eartgore and destros....
for some videos to proove what i said you need to wait for me to install a stream or record programm and get some material. and probably a new pc to be able to run everything together.
my statements arent ridiculous, we even were at the point where you halfly agreed to that a coordinated small group, several decent players or zergs can be beaten. the one example of yours, which is ridiculous and not part of the game, since that situation doesnt happen, thats not beatable solo, but also is nothing i stated, that it is.

Coordinated groups usually means a group of 4+ players having specific purposes and coordinating together. The fewer the people the most skilled they are. A coordinated group of 4 people is almost always consisted by 4 good players. Earthgore is also a standard for any coordinated group of any size. Everything those groups do is coordinated. Thats why they are called coordinated groups. The general consensus is that to kill coordinated groups, you need another coordinated group or just simply zerg them down. You are saying that this is not the case.

The general consensus about 1vX is that its based on 1 good player killing multiple bad players. You are saying that this is not true and you can 1vX multiple decent players.

Huge zerg usually means 15+ people. Some people refer to huge as 24+. And when you are referring to BigBoss i think 15 people at the minimum is a fact. So you are saying that you can 1 v 15-24+. Again, this is simply an impossible scenario based on the actual 1vX videos we see these days. The only thing remotely close to that is a stamblade just putting down complete potatoes 1 by 1 that are not even grouped but again 1v15 is still way too far fetched even for them. One NB marking that stamblade and good game good night no matter how bad those 15 people are. They will just zerg that stamblade down hard. Let alone actual groups of 15-24 people.

You obviously have a different definition for those terms so by all means show us some gameplay to understand what you are talking about. If you are telling me that not a single player who is doing all that can record videos and that all people who record videos are not good enough to do those things then you can understand why me or anyone else would find it hard to believe.

pieratsos

Torbschka wrote: »

Actually I can agree on most of what @Checkmath said.

In my opinion it depends a lot of where u are in terms of skill. On PC EU sotha sil many people told me player "x" or "y" is a beast, yet I even 1vX'ed them many times.

I kill 3-4 people very often solo and those are people others would consider "very good 1vXer" themselves. I find it inpressive if soneone kills multiple geared max cp's alone - no matter what class/combo.

Fighting 5 people low CP and noticing after 1second they cant play at all I dont find impressive either.

Max CP doesnt equate with good players. Im not sure why people still believe that those 2 are related. If you are killing 4 players then those players are not good players or beasts or whatever people want to call them.

Checkmath

as said, i cant remake a video of how i killed half of bigboss' group and survived....
also coordinited groups deosnt mean that always one is a healer with earthgore etc etc. coordination means being together on teamspeak or discord and maybe some different sets available in the group already discussed. still, such a group can be beaten solo, when they dont pay enough attention. also the best player can die, when he isnt fully aware of whats going on.
as said, thats all your opinion and its fair to say that as long as you havent experienced. but still saying its impossible, while you are only one of thousands of players....i dont know why you make such assumptions. just because you cant do it, doesnt mean others people cant too. this is just true for everything in life.
whatever you will say, it will not make any difference towards the topic, since my and your experience seem to be completely different. i have seen things in the game, which seem impossible for others, but it is not my job to make everyone clear what is possible and what is not. so you can say it again and again, but i dont stream, i dont record, so you wont see any videos made by me any time soon.
everything is up to, believe it or not, doesnt matter for. i will keep going to say things, which you probably dont believe or agree.
so once more, i killed solo half of bigboss' zerg in a tower and survived, i also beat 4-6 man groups, who definitely played coordinated to a good extent. whatever you do now, you can accept it or not, just dont say stupid things about it is impossible, just because you think it is.

Aznox

Maybe the slight drop in 1vX content has something to see with the nerf of some overperforming sets like Seventh Legion ...

Checkmath

btw just because youtube doesnt show such scenarios also doesnt mean that it doesnt happen. there are surely more than 10 times the amount of players than streamers on the same skill level or above of most streamers. which means you only see less than 10% of possible scenarios in streams and youtube. so if it happens to one streamer, at least 10 other players without recording or streaming experienced it too. or streamers were in those situations and made one wrong step and died, maybe they were just unlucky, but now the video material isnt worthy anymore for putting it up on youtube.
also there ARE videos out there prooving my statements, sorcs killing a whole zerg following them for example.

Skander

Boyz.

Boyz.

1vX died with all the sustain nerfs.

Checkmath

lol great point skander....bot no...just no.
anyway the discussion is pretty much senseless since everything is a matter of perception, opinions and experience. and as long as we cant just believe each other, the thread is just pure denying whatever the other part said. so either we let the thread die or we start to discuss wha actually matters. otherwise the thread surely will be closed soon, since there is nothing productive here.

montiferus

1vX isn’t dead but ZOS, whether intentional or not, has consistently made it harder with every patch. The game is designed for zergs and casuals. Summerset will be no different.