Jewelry Crafting is now simply Pay To Win and extremely anti-consuming

maboleth

And how is transmute station free for everyone? You have to own CWC. Sure guilds can have it, huge amounts of writs can buy it, but it is essentially a locked feature for majority of people that aren't into big guilds and don't have huge vouchers.

That being said, I really see no big deal in this, at all. Not to mention it's far too early to criticize.

Arezius

I'm mixed about this.

I was a player since the start where I followed the big announcements from ZOS about the game, big things that were never implemented, or implemented for cash of course. We use to ask about other mounts than horses, we got it a full year later for money (getting the senche tiger as a bait). We were waiting for Cyrodiil City since beta, we got it as a paid DLC. Every cool zone that ZOS were showing almost from the start like Wrothgar, Clockwork City, an Argonian zone still not in the game, all behind paid DLC. And as you can see, DLC are now only for dungeons, new zones with quest are now "Chapters" that you don't even get with ESO+. If Wrothgar would be released today, it would be a Chapter.
We were told about skill crafting... gone, a Justice system with open PvP... gone, Battlegrounds... paywall, jewelry crafting... paywall.

So, of course I'm mixed. Every promises of ZOS have been broken (low price for mounts? broken, always sub game? broken, no intrusive cash shop announcement, broken, etc...).

And now we're going to get daily rewards that pop-up on screen at every start of the game, after lockboxes... ESO is now the exact same thing as every other bad MMOs out there. You're choice to keep playing or not.

It's normal to make expansions buy only? A true expansion is not just one zone and a few things to go with it, even Rift has more than this, and I'm not talking about WoW. If Rift gets one zone with an entire quest line, we get it for free, and if Trion is making something better than you then you really got a problem (because they're really bad).

Once again, either make the whole content available for ESO+ members, or make everything available to buy cheaper without the perks. But don't toy with the ESO+ members by making them spend more money everyday (more and more expensive cosmetic items, lockboxes, chapters, housing, ...)

Sevn

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

are we sure yet that jewelry crafting isnt implemented into the basegame? I mean sure we can freak out now, and then realize later that all the fuss was about nothing, because its in the base game.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

And that's perfectly fine. There are alternative ways of obtaining jewellery in-game. If someone wants the convenience of jewellery crafting, then pay the $30. Everyone can afford the price tag. It's just a question of how cheap/entitled someone is.

Not everyone consider 30$ for a DLC cheap you know.

There are less expensive hobbies out there. I hear rock collecting is all the rave.

SergeantJinx

Nope, just nope.

No, the game is evolving and if your playing the game regularly IMO you should evolve with it, or just stay in the past.

Shadowmaster

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

I agree and disagree. From a theory standpoint, I "thought" ZoS stated anything that would be behind a paywall would also be available via the game itself, but I could be wrong.

Unfortunately jewelery crafting is just transmuting jewelery though, no? You can still get it, just much harder.

Its a painful reality of our world. Do more for your fellow man without asking for anything in return. If enough of us do that, maybe we can change the world.

Zeni0s

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

The new trial is worse than vAS.

A big map with quests. Wow for this price I'll look for some Skyrim's quest mods.

A skill line, i bet 100% situational with no offensive skills.

They extension have less content than Morrowind and they know that, so they have to find something the community asked and lock it.

Prof_Bawbag

It's as if some people have never had experience playing other games other than ESO. I can't think of many games that an expansion hasn't in some way introduced new and better items. It's what expansions do.

Yamenstein

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you think 30$ for access to content is P2W, I fear for the day you venture into any other game.

30$ for new and exciting content, sure.
30$ for a missing feature that has been requested time and time again for 4 years, now that's a different story.

"Missing feature"? Says who? You?
You talk as though they are adding improved servers and guild searches in the new chapter.

You know what's actually also missing ? The entire map. They included the map but they didn't add the zones. I don't know why. They should give us those free because it's missing from the base game as well

malchior

Not sure what the fuss is all about because you can also say the same for Julianos set.

ADarklore

I understand what you're saying, but I still agree to ZOS decision (Please share your reasons below).

It's funny, people have gotten by without jewelry crafting this long... but suddenly now that it's coming and will be locked behind the purchase of Summerset, suddenly "the sky is falling". Probably complaints by the same players who contribute little to the game financially- and no- I don't consider ESO+ a significant contribution. ZOS needs a significant continuous source of revenue and adding features that require players to contribute are a positive for the overall longevity of the game.

efduncanub17_ESO

Nope, just nope.

I played WoW for years and there is no real going back...you must own the current xpac if you want to do content etc...this is pretty standard...ESO is special in the sense it allows all content to be relevant still with the 160 cp cap...new jewelry should not effect you completing things that came out 4 years ago...if pvp is your issue then you should keep up and get the new expac...it is far from pay to win, just normal.

xericdx

I'm mixed about this.

I am mixed... New players still have tons of content they will be able to do, even harder ones like we do now with the current sets.also, won't we have access to stations via other players houses like other dlc sets and transm? Several good guild leaders have those.

Masel

Nope, just nope.

You don't know how it is going to work. Can you at least once wait for stuff to come on the pts before you whiners lose your minds? I start to get annoyed by all this "uh p2w" stuff every update and afterwards no-one cares anymore.

The amount of waste on these forums is incredible...

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Yamenstein wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

are we sure yet that jewelry crafting isnt implemented into the basegame? I mean sure we can freak out now, and then realize later that all the fuss was about nothing, because its in the base game.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

And that's perfectly fine. There are alternative ways of obtaining jewellery in-game. If someone wants the convenience of jewellery crafting, then pay the $30. Everyone can afford the price tag. It's just a question of how cheap/entitled someone is.

Not everyone consider 30$ for a DLC cheap you know.

Good thing you don't need ESO or the new chapter to survive. Can't get everything for free.

So after you pay for a McChiken, do you have to pay for extra ketchup, or is it free?

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

maboleth wrote: »

And how is transmute station free for everyone? You have to own CWC. Sure guilds can have it, huge amounts of writs can buy it, but it is essentially a locked feature for majority of people that aren't into big guilds and don't have huge vouchers.

That being said, I really see no big deal in this, at all. Not to mention it's far too early to criticize.

Let's be real, most, if not every, guild house has a transmute table now. All you need to do is join a guild, done.

GeorgeBlack

Personally I would never imagine that I could beat the game without buying IC, Orsinium, Thieves Guild, Morrowind(I dont play warden).

Personally I dont think that anybody will beat the game just with the EP DC AD maps and dungeons.

Soooo.... how about we stop with the p2w?

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

malchior wrote: »

Not sure what the fuss is all about because you can also say the same for Julianos set.

You can at least ask your friend to craft Julianos for you. Can't say the same if you want to transmute your jewelry though.

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Yamenstein wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you think 30$ for access to content is P2W, I fear for the day you venture into any other game.

30$ for new and exciting content, sure.
30$ for a missing feature that has been requested time and time again for 4 years, now that's a different story.

"Missing feature"? Says who? You?
You talk as though they are adding improved servers and guild searches in the new chapter.

You know what's actually also missing ? The entire map. They included the map but they didn't add the zones. I don't know why. They should give us those free because it's missing from the base game as well

I'm not sure if I should be amazed, or disappointed with your point of view.

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

ADarklore wrote: »

It's funny, people have gotten by without jewelry crafting this long... but suddenly now that it's coming and will be locked behind the purchase of Summerset, suddenly "the sky is falling". Probably complaints by the same players who contribute little to the game financially- and no- I don't consider ESO+ a significant contribution. ZOS needs a significant continuous source of revenue and adding features that require players to contribute are a positive for the overall longevity of the game.

Well we only have 3 traits so far, it'll be 9 this June though. That's a big change to me.

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Masel92 wrote: »

You don't know how it is going to work. Can you at least once wait for stuff to come on the pts before you whiners lose your minds? I start to get annoyed by all this "uh p2w" stuff every update and afterwards no-one cares anymore.

The amount of waste on these forums is incredible...

Yes, I can wait, but not with your attitude.

Turelus

I don't agree to all of your saying, but I still think lock jewelry crafting is dumb.

maboleth wrote: »

And how is transmute station free for everyone? You have to own CWC. Sure guilds can have it, huge amounts of writs can buy it, but it is essentially a locked feature for majority of people that aren't into big guilds and don't have huge vouchers.

That being said, I really see no big deal in this, at all. Not to mention it's far too early to criticize.

@maboleth the difference here is from what the article has said is you can't use them unless you buy the expansion.

Transmutation stations can used by base game players via the ways you've said, but even if a base player comes across a jewellery station (which sound like they're in all base zones) they just won't be able to use it. I would assume they'll get a "You lack the Summerset Expansion needed for this feature" seeing as this is a crafting skill line it's going to seem odd to new players they need to pay $30 more for the "full crafting line".

DieAlteHexe

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

are we sure yet that jewelry crafting isnt implemented into the basegame? I mean sure we can freak out now, and then realize later that all the fuss was about nothing, because its in the base game.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

And that's perfectly fine. There are alternative ways of obtaining jewellery in-game. If someone wants the convenience of jewellery crafting, then pay the $30. Everyone can afford the price tag. It's just a question of how cheap/entitled someone is.

Not everyone consider 30$ for a DLC cheap you know.

Good thing you don't need ESO or the new chapter to survive. Can't get everything for free.

So after you pay for a McChiken, do you have to pay for extra ketchup, or is it free?

So,about that Big Mac, I mean shouldn't everyone get that special sauce?

And, seriously, is there ketchup on McChicken? Blearrrgh.

Ryan1704

Nope, just nope.

I really dont like the argument that players who dont care about the game or the content it brings are at a disadvantage because they cant get access to something because for 1 if they dont care that much about the content then why should they care wether they have access to gold jewllery and for the people who do care about the game but dont buy the extra content then thats on them as buying the content helps support the game you enjoy.

Fischblut

I think you're heading into the wrong direction here (Please tell me why).

Pay to win would be if they added some powerful weapons and OP consumables (or simply ability to craft jewelry) in crown store. Or if personal banker could be summoned in Imperial City, this would be P2W in my eyes (could allow to bank tel var any time anywhere).

Locking jewelry crafting behind a "chapter" is not really different to me from those things: locking one of best support sets behind dlc dungeon (SPC), locking previously awesome weapons behind dlc trial (Maelstrom), locking ability to instakill some NPCs (Blade of Woe) and ability to loot some special treasures (Thieves Troves) behind dlcs, locking one of the most amazing passives (Shadow Rider ) behind dlc. It just adds more value to dlcs (+ you get many "additional" things like new zones, quests, item sets, cosmetics)

I bought the base game for $11 if I remember correctly, nothing else would ever beat that huge amount of content for such low price So anything that adds more value to dlcs is very welcome

jedtb16_ESO

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

new land comes with new story and new features....

yup, that's all fine.

not sure what's your point is buddy

i'm listing the things i will be getting for my £29.99 and concluding that it is fine.

i did this to contrast your apparent pov that the only thing is jewellery crafting.

Mannix1958

Nope, just nope.

It seems to me the real reason you started this poll was just to argue that all views are incorrect except your own.

Mannix1958

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

are we sure yet that jewelry crafting isnt implemented into the basegame? I mean sure we can freak out now, and then realize later that all the fuss was about nothing, because its in the base game.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

And that's perfectly fine. There are alternative ways of obtaining jewellery in-game. If someone wants the convenience of jewellery crafting, then pay the $30. Everyone can afford the price tag. It's just a question of how cheap/entitled someone is.

Not everyone consider 30$ for a DLC cheap you know.

Good thing you don't need ESO or the new chapter to survive. Can't get everything for free.

So after you pay for a McChiken, do you have to pay for extra ketchup, or is it free?

Well I certainly don't have to share it with others who did not pay for it.

Masel

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

You don't know how it is going to work. Can you at least once wait for stuff to come on the pts before you whiners lose your minds? I start to get annoyed by all this "uh p2w" stuff every update and afterwards no-one cares anymore.

The amount of waste on these forums is incredible...

Yes, I can wait, but not with your attitude.

If you could wait you wouldn't have made this thread in The first place. This is the fifth thread on this topic popping up within a day, flooding the forums with the same stuff. This has nothing to do with my attitude. The title is clickbait at its best..

Nothing is really certain about the stations yet, so go on the PTS once it is out, test it, then complain if necessary. This happens every update and people simply don't learn from it.

Royaji

Nope, just nope.

Jewelry crafting is not a "missing feature". It was not in the original game design and was never advertised as such. It's a new feature that got added because it was requested heavily. Same as new class (Warden) or new PvP gamemodes (Battlegrounds). And same as new skilllines (Psijic, TG, DB).

Stop treating jewelry crafting as some base game feature that ZOS hid from us for four years. It is not.

MajBludd

When you buy a car and the following year they make a new model with new little upgrades that make the car just a bit better. Do you think the auto manufacturer should upgrade your car for free?