Jewelry Crafting is now simply Pay To Win and extremely anti-consuming

Nifty2g

I'm mixed about this.

If you can craft it and sell it, don't see how it's P2W.

But the game has been P2W for awhile, you need DLC's to have the best gear sets available anyway. This is less P2W than anything else.

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Nifty2g wrote: »

If you can craft it and sell it, don't see how it's P2W.

But the game has been P2W for awhile, you need DLC's to have the best gear sets available anyway. This is less P2W than anything else.

You can't transmute, nor upgrade your purple jewelry into legendary though.

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Royaji wrote: »

Jewelry crafting is not a "missing feature". It was not in the original game design and was never advertised as such. It's a new feature that got added because it was requested heavily. Same as new class (Warden) or new PvP gamemodes (Battlegrounds). And same as new skilllines (Psijic, TG, DB).

Stop treating jewelry crafting as some base game feature that ZOS hid from us for four years. It is not.

You read more past interview with the devs mate. Just saying.

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

MajBludd wrote: »

When you buy a car and the following year they make a new model with new little upgrades that make the car just a bit better. Do you think the auto manufacturer should upgrade your car for free?

I own the car, but the car dealer give away free upgrade kit, right in front of my face, but forbid me to use it? Really?

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Masel92 wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

You don't know how it is going to work. Can you at least once wait for stuff to come on the pts before you whiners lose your minds? I start to get annoyed by all this "uh p2w" stuff every update and afterwards no-one cares anymore.

The amount of waste on these forums is incredible...

Yes, I can wait, but not with your attitude.

If you could wait you wouldn't have made this thread in The first place. This is the fifth thread on this topic popping up within a day, flooding the forums with the same stuff. This has nothing to do with my attitude. The title is clickbait at its best..

Nothing is really certain about the stations yet, so go on the PTS once it is out, test it, then complain if necessary. This happens every update and people simply don't learn from it.

ZOS actually stated quite clear about the station in the statement though. "you cannot access the station without Summerset Isle".

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

are we sure yet that jewelry crafting isnt implemented into the basegame? I mean sure we can freak out now, and then realize later that all the fuss was about nothing, because its in the base game.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

And that's perfectly fine. There are alternative ways of obtaining jewellery in-game. If someone wants the convenience of jewellery crafting, then pay the $30. Everyone can afford the price tag. It's just a question of how cheap/entitled someone is.

Not everyone consider 30$ for a DLC cheap you know.

Good thing you don't need ESO or the new chapter to survive. Can't get everything for free.

So after you pay for a McChiken, do you have to pay for extra ketchup, or is it free?

Well I certainly don't have to share it with others who did not pay for it.

You can't. Literally. You can't upgrade BOP jewelry for your friends, nor transmute jewelry for them.

Aesthier

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I pay so I am happy they are implementing another distraction from real life that provides a false sense of accomplishment. If you want that same feeling you should be required to pay as well.

Pr0Skygon

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Mannix1958 wrote: »

It seems to me the real reason you started this poll was just to argue that all views are incorrect except your own.

Dude I literally just agreed with someone that voted that I'm wrong.

McI

Biased poll is biased.

All MMO's have character progression through DLC, or expansions, or whatever they want to call them.

Eliahnus

If you enjoy the game, just buy the expansion and support the devs, for crying out loud !

Aesthier

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Pr0Skygon wrote: »

I own the car, but the car dealer give away free upgrade kit, right in front of my face, but forbid me to use it? Really?

^NO.

The car dealer sold you a car.


Then offered upgrades to everyone for an additional fee.

"everyone".


Meaning NO ONE gets it for free without paying. (Subscription or DLC payments only)


YOU are just complaining because you don't want to pay like everyone else has to.

MajBludd

So this poll was made in the effort to hopefully find a community outraged over having to pay for new content.

TarrNokk

I think you're heading into the wrong direction here (Please tell me why).

It's simple as this: ZOS is a commercial Company. They don't care about anyone who does not pay for their content, which is understandable, because development costs money. If you want it, pay for it.

klowdy1

Nope, just nope.

So then all DLC is pay to win? Buying the game must be pay to win too. You can't win unless you buy the game.

This is a new thing, saying everything is pay to win. No one ever said WoW was pay to win with all of the new classes locked to expansions. Even now, in GW2, no one cries P2W when new (often meta) skill lines are released WITH the new expansions.

Get over yourselves. It's ridiculous just how whiney this community is. "Myeh, I want everything for free, I deserve it all because I bought the game years ago, myeh."

This is a common practice in games for the past 20+ years, you must be new to gaming.

Edit: I would also like to say it's pretty *** on the OPs part to make a poll, then try to argue with anyone that doesn't agree. You set up the poll, and you are changing no one's opinion. This thing was created to farm reactions from others who agree with you. Why else would you ask a rhetorical question like this.

Karmanorway

I don't agree to all of your saying, but I still think lock jewelry crafting is dumb.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

So I've seen a lot of fuss about this topic lately, so I think I'll also drop my thought on this as well.
Before I get into this, I just want to make a quick reminder: These reasons are best suited for new players. If you're a vet players that would pay up for Summerset Isle either way (I've already pre-ordered the chapter), it's best to read these as a someone who has just decided to buy ESO for the first time.

1. This is a base game feature. Why do I claim this? Just imagine buying the new Monster Hunter World game, where crafting is a key feature, and now suddenly you realized that you can only craft 1 type of weapon only, and if you want to widen your weapon crafting ability, you must buy a *** 10% addon. If you're a Monster Hunter fans, this is a kick to the stomach.

2. "But you can have someone do it for you". Yes, but only with craftable sets. Remember that we can now transmute items, and now you realized that only paid Summerset Isle players can transmute their account bound jewelries. Not to mention we'll get 6 new jewelry traits, if 1 of them become the new meta, then RIP base game owner. Not to mention improving purple jewelries to legendary jewelry. Sure, the change isn't much, but a change non the less. Also, you doesn't want a legendary jewelry? It's so shiny

3. Base game owner will be constantly reminded how handicapped they are when they see jewelry crafting station everywhere in the world, but can't use them, and the only way they can do it is to buy a 40$ DLC, with a story they don't care, a zone they don't care, a guild that looks cool but still don't care, and they might not even care about the new trial or sets. They'll basically paying 40$ for jewelry crafting, that is anti-consumer at its best.

But hey, that's just my thought, love to hear yours below. Don't worry, I always try to read and reply them all

U dont need to have the crafted set in jewelry, armor pieces are fine, u can have golded overland jewelry from golden vendor, just a matter of patience.

The difference between purple and gold jewelry is ridicilously low.

BUT! If those new traits is way stronger then they should, and crafted + golded jewelry is not BoP, then sure summerset players will get an unfair advantage

maboleth

Turelus wrote: »

maboleth wrote: »

And how is transmute station free for everyone? You have to own CWC. Sure guilds can have it, huge amounts of writs can buy it, but it is essentially a locked feature for majority of people that aren't into big guilds and don't have huge vouchers.

That being said, I really see no big deal in this, at all. Not to mention it's far too early to criticize.

@maboleth the difference here is from what the article has said is you can't use them unless you buy the expansion.

Transmutation stations can used by base game players via the ways you've said, but even if a base player comes across a jewellery station (which sound like they're in all base zones) they just won't be able to use it. I would assume they'll get a "You lack the Summerset Expansion needed for this feature" seeing as this is a crafting skill line it's going to seem odd to new players they need to pay $30 more for the "full crafting line".

Oh yes, I agree. If that's the case, that would be slightly awkward to everyone that bought only the main game. Not seeing the stations would be a better workaround than a greyed out station with "you lack..." sign, figuratively speaking.

But even with that, it's not pay to win model. That's something completely different. This is a new expansion, every new DLC/expansion of all games I played added mechanics or completely new features that didn't exist in the game before. As for ESO, this is very similar if not the same as Maelstrom weapons, or any other bound exclusive dlc armour/weapon or even the warden class.

vestahls

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

I get what people are saying that "it's a new chapter so it should have an actually cool thing, and jewelry crafting is that cool thing", but as someone who's very much into crafting in the base game, a) it seems ridiculous to me that a core feature of the game exists exclusively in one chapter (imagine if light armor crafting could only be done in Morrowind, for example; how absurd is that?), and b) completely agree Summerset should have a cool thing, but this cool thing should be actually novel and cool, not an addition to the crafting feature. The fact that the only thing they could think of to add was crafting, dampens my enthusiasm a bit.

And I can live without jewelry crafting, I could buy them or ask someone to make stuff for me and compensate them for it, but I'd have been 200% happier if jewelry crafting were in the base game and Summerset brought something that was truly new, truly exciting, and made the chapter be worth its money. Then I would've been happy in the main game, and maybe I'd have bought Summerset too. This way, it's... meh.

Mettaricana

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AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

rustic_potato wrote: »

No. A new chapter needs to bring something to the table which would make players buy it. If jewel crafting is made available to base game why buy the chapter?

The new zone, the new story, the new guild, the new trial, the new sets? There's a lot of other thing "expansion" can add in.

Some people would have no interest in some of that stuff.

Find it funny cuz why did they buy the game.in the first place its like i dont like anything the game has to offer....

Merlin13KAGL

Nope, just nope.

If the Summerset and Jewelry Crafting was the only way to acquire jewelry or even complete sets, you'd have something here.

As it stands, it's not. Therefore not P2W.

People [snip] about $30 for jewelry crafting seem to forget that you get more than just JC. There's actually content, quests, a trial, a skill line, and an entire zone for that $30, as well.

And once again, I'd argue that if you can't find $30 worth of play in an entire chapter, you're probably doing it wrong.

They could have released it without JC at all, and the price tag would have stayed the same. Hell - it's purported to be larger than Morrowind, yet it costs less.

You'll still be able to outfit any set combination you like. expect it to take a lot more time (even more so if they add the new jewelry traits to the drop table, effectively halving your chance at a particular trait.)

If you don't want it, don't buy it. If you don't buy it, you don't get to *** about it.

EDIT: Here's a smaller scale analogy: If you want to dye your weapons, you have to pay at an outfit station. If you do not wish to pay the gold, you can still dye the rest of your gear for free all day long (jewelry drops), but you cannot dye your default weapons (paid Chapter bonus).

[Edited to remove profanity]

Alcest

i didnt get what this topic about? u just right click on your freund on freundlist or on your guildmaster and choose "Visit Primary Residence", and 99% he got any crafting station u need(including jewelery. profit. no need to buy anything

srfrogg23

I think you're heading into the wrong direction here (Please tell me why).

Sorry, couldn’t read after “jewelcrafting is a base game feature”. It would have been if it was introduced 4 years ago. It has taken them a good while to finally put jewel crafting together. It’s definitely not base game.

Yamenstein

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Xuhora wrote: »

are we sure yet that jewelry crafting isnt implemented into the basegame? I mean sure we can freak out now, and then realize later that all the fuss was about nothing, because its in the base game.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/26347

And that's perfectly fine. There are alternative ways of obtaining jewellery in-game. If someone wants the convenience of jewellery crafting, then pay the $30. Everyone can afford the price tag. It's just a question of how cheap/entitled someone is.

Not everyone consider 30$ for a DLC cheap you know.

Good thing you don't need ESO or the new chapter to survive. Can't get everything for free.

So after you pay for a McChiken, do you have to pay for extra ketchup, or is it free?

Your example is poor. Because growning I had to pay 20c each time I wanted one of those small tomato sauce satchets.

Yamenstein

Nope, just nope.

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Yamenstein wrote: »

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

KingYogi415 wrote: »

If you think 30$ for access to content is P2W, I fear for the day you venture into any other game.

30$ for new and exciting content, sure.
30$ for a missing feature that has been requested time and time again for 4 years, now that's a different story.

"Missing feature"? Says who? You?
You talk as though they are adding improved servers and guild searches in the new chapter.

You know what's actually also missing ? The entire map. They included the map but they didn't add the zones. I don't know why. They should give us those free because it's missing from the base game as well

I'm not sure if I should be amazed, or disappointed with your point of view.

I'm not sure as well. It's the same thing I was thinking when I saw your original comment. So maybe we can both go 50/50 every time someone comments something?

Tandor

Nope, just nope.

Nope, nowhere near P2W.

People need to get rid of the "Pay for half the game and get the rest for free" approach to MMOs. If you want to play the whole game, then be prepared to buy the additional content.

Panomania

Nope, just nope.

Here, lets make this easy for the people who constantly whine about this:

"I wants what I wants when I wants it and I wants u 2 gimme 4 free cuz I wants it u ebil corperashun u!"

Pretty sure that sums it up.

srfrogg23

I think you're heading into the wrong direction here (Please tell me why).

I keep thinking to myself, if jewel crafting is anything like the other crafting skill lines, we’re probably looking at about 20 skill points to invest. There’s also the time it takes to collect and research the traits themselves. On top of actually collecting enough materials to craft the pieces and the theorycraft behind putting different sets together.

Not to mention all the dropped sets and optimized builds already available...

It’s not like the people that bought the expansion are going to pop into the game on day one and do double the dps/hps of people without the expansion. If anything, there might be a few remotely close to viable hybrid builds and possibly a couple “crafted only” optimized builds that become competitive with builds using dropped gear.

I think you guys can put down the torches and pitchforks. Wait until you see how it actually affects the game before freaking out...or just spend the $30 and get access to it if you’re really that worried about it.

Turelus

I don't agree to all of your saying, but I still think lock jewelry crafting is dumb.

BTW the analogies in this thread are terrible.

reiverx

I wouldn't class this as P2W but all crafting should be base game. This is setting a precedent which you can bet ZOS will exploit in the future.

Zeni0s

I think you're correct and jewelry crafting should not be locked behind paywall.

Well, i think JWL crafting as a main sell argument sucks. BUT that's not pay to win.

At the beginning it can be a bit broken, but eso is quite well balanced.

Ozstryker

Nope, just nope.

I could understand this thread if jewelcrafting was included in the base game 4 yrs ago.. but, the fact is it wasn't! This is in fact a new feature, bundled into an expansion.. standard practice really..

Stick to facts op, this ones getting away from ya!