ESO Class Representative Program

Maryal

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Quick question-
You mentioned the person "should have a deep understanding of at least one class, with extensive knowledge involving abilities, itemization, solo and group play in both PvE and PvP scenarios"

Officially we have 5 classes, but unofficially, we have 10. The magica and stamina versions have more differences than commonalities and a person can develop extensive knowledge of one but not the other.

So, to qualify, will the person need extensive knowledge in both the stamina and magica versions of 1 or more classes, or can they qualify even if their expertise is limited to either the stamina or magica versions of 1 or more classes?

Lynx7386

I would be more than happy to stand in as a representative for hybrid builds though. Someone needs to support them even if the devs won't =p

Bfish22090

i nominate @XEVENEX for sorcerer

GreenSoup2HoT

In my opinion this is not what zenimnax should be doing to get information about balance issues. There is to much Bias in the community to elect 10 individuals. You would have an easier time creating poles for people to vote on. The forums make more progress when people participate in class based pts threads every pts patch.

I would have loved to be elected as an individual to discuss Nightblade 12 months ago... however the game just kept making worse and worse decisions. Blatantly changing core mechanics and not fixing the problems with specific gear/skills/passives that were being abused.

Very few players on these forums even care about balance anymore. They just care about their class and thats it. The game became less and less about skill/decision making and more about itemisation and flavour of the month abusing.

I could literally write you a patch by patch list starting from console release to now of everything you did right and everything you did wrong... but you developers at zenimax wouldn't even care. I used to log tons of hours into this game and had a blast in cryodill but there was never a time while playing this game where there wasn't a huge issue with balance that people flocked to abuse.



Im sorry Zenimax but its to late. All my friends stopped playing this game due to balance issues. Your new players wont know how good eso used to be and they will be what keeps your pockets full.

If you would like me to write you an essay on stamina classes or stealth as a whole feel free to reach out to me.

Turelus

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

In my opinion this is not what zenimnax should be doing to get information about balance issues. There is to much Bias in the community to elect 10 individuals. You would have an easier time creating poles for people to vote on. The forums make more progress when people participate in class based pts threads every pts patch.

I would have loved to be elected as an individual to discuss Nightblade 12 months ago... however the game just kept making worse and worse decisions. Blatantly changing core mechanics and not fixing the problems with specific gear/skills/passives that were being abused.

Very few players on these forums even care about balance anymore. They just care about their class and thats it. The game became less and less about skill/decision making and more about itemisation and flavour of the month abusing.

I could literally write you a patch by patch list starting from console release to now of everything you did right and everything you did wrong... but you developers at zenimax wouldn't even care. I used to log tons of hours into this game and had a blast in cryodill but there was never a time while playing this game where there wasn't a huge issue with balance that people flocked to abuse.



Im sorry Zenimax but its to late. All my friends stopped playing this game due to balance issues. Your new players wont know how good eso used to be and they will be what keeps your pockets full.

If you would like me to write you an essay on stamina classes or stealth as a whole feel free to reach out to me.

I don't think ZOS is going to blindly go "Oh all the Warden players say Dive should get a damage increase, we should do that!"

I think the purpose it for those players to highlight "this skill/build right now really suffers due to X, please can you take a look and address it" then Wrobel and his team do the changes they think is best.

Remember as well Gina said there will be full disclosure so we know what's being pushed by these people.

GreenSoup2HoT

I think the purpose it for those players to highlight "this skill/build right now really suffers due to X, please can you take a look and address it" then Wrobel and his team do the changes they think is best.

Remember as well Gina said there will be full disclosure so we know what's being pushed by these people.

The problem is this whole game is a spider web of issues. Take away some of these bread and butter gear sets and half the classes in this game cant even function.

Just look at how everyone flocked from RedGuard to Argonian after the Adrenaline nerf. Its so easy to see whats overperforming and nothing is done for months.

I understand zenimax is putting a foot forward to help balance the game but its 2 years to late.

CrazyWolf712

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Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Lets hope some of them play Ww, its been due for a overhaul for quite some time...

One can always hope, not sure if ZOS would consider them under the "Class" label however. But if werewolfs are taken into consideration for this topic I would nominate myself @Qbiken, @Chrlynsch and @CrazyWolf712

I would nominate @Ertthewolf sooner than myself. I learned everything from him. But it would be cool to bring a more helpful light to werewolves.

BohnT

There idea is good but how you want to do it is just stupid.
1. all players in that committee should have played each and all classes not one. There are people who are great on their classes and haven't touched any other class. Their view is always biased and this is something that you shouldn't be in a discussion about class Balance.
2. the discussion has to be completely transparent and everyone should be able to take part when discussing on the forums about different topics but these discussions need to be moderated so people which try to derail, are biased or just make bad arguments over and over again need to be banned from the topics

QuebraRegra

aeowulf wrote: »

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Sixty5 wrote: »

Gotta say, @Gilliamtherogue would be the perfect man for the job here.

I'd apply, but I don't think my knowledge of Stam Sorc is quite good enough.

I would love @Gilliamtherogue to apply, he'd certainly get my vote. @Joy_Division also.

I'd also love to see more attention paid to vet group finder statistics too. This should provide a good indication of which classes are more preferred in each role, and the 'why?' of the less preferred classes getting targetted, especially in DLC content. There are some areas (like DK, sorc & NB Healer, NB tank etc) where the classes never seem to pop up. Are they too difficult, not fun or just plain awful in those roles?

Unfortunately roles are very blurry in normal finder, with a lot of fakes roles being taken just to complete a pledge quickly.

Both of those individuals have offered a buttload of detailed information/help over the years, extremely well documented as well. Pretty much a no-brainer IMHO.

aeowulf

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

In my opinion this is not what zenimnax should be doing to get information about balance issues. There is to much Bias in the community to elect 10 individuals. You would have an easier time creating poles for people to vote on. The forums make more progress when people participate in class based pts threads every pts patch.

I would have loved to be elected as an individual to discuss Nightblade 12 months ago... however the game just kept making worse and worse decisions. Blatantly changing core mechanics and not fixing the problems with specific gear/skills/passives that were being abused.

Very few players on these forums even care about balance anymore. They just care about their class and thats it. The game became less and less about skill/decision making and more about itemisation and flavour of the month abusing.

I could literally write you a patch by patch list starting from console release to now of everything you did right and everything you did wrong... but you developers at zenimax wouldn't even care. I used to log tons of hours into this game and had a blast in cryodill but there was never a time while playing this game where there wasn't a huge issue with balance that people flocked to abuse.



Im sorry Zenimax but its to late. All my friends stopped playing this game due to balance issues. Your new players wont know how good eso used to be and they will be what keeps your pockets full.

If you would like me to write you an essay on stamina classes or stealth as a whole feel free to reach out to me.

I was actually thinking along these lines too, and that class representatives might not be the best way to do this (but it is a great idea)

I'd prefer to see role representatives, ones who compare each class in each aspect of the game, making sure they are flavoursome, viable, fun and fairly well balanced. But those who have experience in all roles in each class are few & far between. @Liofa for tanking would immediately spring to mind.

Pelican

I would nominate the following people from PC NA pvp wise:
MagDK - @Quantum_V, @Cor_ESO
Stamdk - @Highpolicy, @Jordaen
Magblade - @KenaPKK, @Zendran
Stamblade - @Joshlenoir
Magsorc - @Goblin-Sama, @syndeycarton
Stamsorc - @Speed_Kills, @TheBestPlayerNA
Magplar - @Cardinal05
Stamplar - @inscentia, @Reyne_ESO
Stamden - @twitch.tvkodipvp
Magden - idk xd

preedb16_ESO2

As long as you separate PVE and PVP, fix/balance away all you want, but don't nerf both PVE and PVP because there are balance problems with something in just one of the two... That has been the main gripe for me in the past, that things in PVE get nerfed because of balance problems in PVP.. And some vice versa too I guess, but I don't do alot of PVP so haven't paid attention with that side of it...

Elsterchen

adirondack wrote: »

Gina -

It is pretty obvious from the earlier comments and the amount of responses that the community is really on board with this initiative. Thank you to whomever decided to attempt this. I'm really curious about what the representatives are signing up for; what is the expected time commitment, meetings & frequency, methods of communication, overall duration of project. How about anonymity? We see a lot of names being tossed around (Joy for example, yay!) but what if Joy didn't want anyone to know he was a class representative? Can he still participate?

Ultimately I believe gathering end-user feedback is essential to continual growth of any product. Voice of the Customer is your single greatest asset in a mature product line. Please give us a little more detail regarding how the program will be organized and I think you'll see some people who are definitely knowledgeable step up and volunteer.

Thank you,

Ray

I like to second this request. After one night of letting the idea sink in, I do see one, ... well, lets call it flaw in design and i feel this needs to be adressed before enaged players sell their soul ... become engaged. Communication is undoubtedly wanted by everyone, but having experts talking to each other and find solutions they need facts or data they can rely on. How did you @ZOS_GinaBruno envision this crucial part of debate?

Surely the playerbase will provide information about how something feels/works or doesn't work ... after all we play the game. However to adress problems and balance combat, reliable hard data is needed. You can't balance on feelings and you hopefully do not expect the representatives to call out or do testing sessions themselves. ... and just to mention this, ofc there are some players that have provided unbiased data in the past and hopefully will continue doing so.
I just hope i am not the only one thinking that their valuable input and the time they spend testin instead of playing isn't the only pilar of hard data you have in mind, gina. If so, i will not recommend anyone ... not because I don't like the idea (I like it, really!), but I don't want engaged members of this community to burn out.

Feel free to discuss.

Joshlenoir

Pelican wrote: »

I would nominate the following people from PC NA pvp wise:
MagDK - @Quantum_V, @Cor_ESO
Stamdk - @Highpolicy, @Jordaen
Magblade - @KenaPKK, @Zendran
Stamblade - @Joshlenoir
Magsorc - @Goblin-Sama, @syndeycarton
Stamsorc - @Speed_Kills, @TheBestPlayerNA
Magplar - @Cardinal05
Stamplar - @inscentia, @Reyne_ESO
Stamden - @twitch.tvkodipvp
Magden - idk xd

Ragnaroek93

BohnT wrote: »

There idea is good but how you want to do it is just stupid.
1. all players in that committee should have played each and all classes not one. There are people who are great on their classes and haven't touched any other class. Their view is always biased and this is something that you shouldn't be in a discussion about class Balance.
2. the discussion has to be completely transparent and everyone should be able to take part when discussing on the forums about different topics but these discussions need to be moderated so people which try to derail, are biased or just make bad arguments over and over again need to be banned from the topics

It's difficult to find people who actually do that (yet alone actually want to do that). In my opinion 10 players aren't enough and the restriction to be good at PvP and PvE at the same time is already too much to ask for (many good PvP players don't even play PvE and vice versa), they should seperate PvP and PvE in these discussions for sure.
Everyone is biased, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as it prevents classes from getting overnerfed (nothing is worse than overnerfing a class in my opinion).

mandricus

+1 Woeler for pve tanking

WeylandLabs

Qualifications ?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What's considered when picking the representative for that class.

Do we all have a balanced chance to get picked to represent that class or is it based on popularity ?

Do I need to have a Twitch account with at least 100+ followers to be picked ?

Do I need to have YouTube, with at least 14 build videos on the channel and 1k subs ?

How much time do I have to have on the class ?
A ) 10 days
B ) 50 days
C ) 100 days
D ) 150+ days

Can I be on a console to be picked or will all representatives be on PC ?

Do I need to know the basic understanding of math or can I just showcase it with an ESO Add-on.

Can I make suggestions to PvP with having very little experience in PvP with my class and never achieved Grand Overlord ? Or Emperor with that class ?

Can I make suggestions to PvE with having very little experience in PvE with my class never have achieved Flawless Conqueror or Boethiah's Scythe with that class ?

If this is the case then....

I'd like to represent Stam Sorc, If you are able to see my account you would see.

Pvp:
I was the first Stam Sorc 5-Star Grand Overlord Ps4NA
PvE:
Holds Flawless conqueror
Holds Boethiah's Scythe
And over 60 Titles
Over 200 days /played
And a numerous amount of achievements.

There isn't nothing I haven't tested, and probley the reason this Duroks meta exist now. Sorry @PrinceFabious <---- or this would be your man to represent Stam Sorc aka "The legend Killer" if he still played. If he does then disregard me please and pick him.


To represent the Stam Sorc class I pick.

@PrinceFabious Aka "The legend killer"
@FENGRUSH The Dracula of Stam Sorcs the 1st
@Shokasegambit1 - Mad Scientist of Theorycrafting.

Take your pick ZOS.

Tonturri

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I've several questions.

Note that we’re not looking for general class suggestions or ideas at this time; our focus will specifically be on some of the current pain points.

This comes across as slightly contradictory. If you could take a moment to explain the difference between a 'general class suggestion or idea' and a 'current pain point', it would be much appreciated. Furthermore, I am wondering if you/ZOS already has some current pain points in mind and are just looking for suggestions concerning those pain points, or are you looking for players to identify some of the current major issues with each class? In short, some extra clarification on the scope of this role is probably needed. Are you looking for someone to, say, mention the sorc passive Implosion and suggest possible changes to it? Or would you rather someone bring up how current ability/resource/stat scaling in the game as a whole results in issues for a single class?

Your post comes across as wishing to focus in on the classes themselves - in exclusion of other things - and their issues, which to me seems like an unwise 'focusing on the symptoms and not the cause'. And then of course the diff. between a 'pain point' and 'general class suggestion/idea'. Trying to force feedback into the rigid format of class-based could also be rather limiting in a negative way.

Are you going to expect whoever you accept into the role to ONLY put forth suggestions and the like concerning a single class (or maybe a single class -> stam or magicka)? For example, I have some thoughts concerning Sorc passives, but also some of Warden Winter's Embrace passives. And so and and so forth, clarification appreciated.

Secondly, more information about the role in general is needed. What is the time commitment? I would love to apply (not just because I love the game but it also looks like a pretty decent thing to put on a resume), but I'm a full-time college student. I - and others I imagine - need more information than just 'we're looking for class representatives'. How long are meetings intended to last? What about communication outside of the meetings? Stuff like that.

Third, what tools will you be providing (if any) to assist in this? For example, will we be able to request a forum mod to make a thread on the forum asking for feedback on a certain topic, and then summarizing and analyzing the results of the thread in a meeting? Will we be expected to do that - or will it be something we're specifically expected -not- to do? What counts as below expectations, meeting expectations, and going above and beyond?

Lastly, are you going to be giving a...how to say, ZOS' vision for all of the classes and balance as a whole? ZOS has shown time and time again that it has one and is going to shoot for it regardless of feedback. However, I'm not sure anyone is quite certain what that vision is (especially since sometimes when you all say this or that is a goal, but a class utterly fails to meet said goal yet nothing is done...and so on). This is pretty much just a more specific question on...what exactly you guys are looking for. And of course, I'm sure your volunteers are going to want to avoid giving feedback that's going to change nothing/be a waste of time, and so knowing what you all will absolutely not do and what direction you're aiming to go in will help not only the volunteers, but the forums to give better feedback for said volunteers to gather up.

And, more of a personal thing...have you guys discussed possible compensation? There are (as I said above) a lack of specific details concerning this that would let someone know how exactly it would fit into their life, expectations etc. I know I would benefit from doing this in ways other wouldn't - I'd actually value the experience/resume stuff, but I'm sure others who could fill the positions (probably better than me) likely wouldn't benefit at all beyond it being a labor of luv. Assuming that it's gonna be more than two hours total, I don't think compensation in the form of a subscription is too much to ask.

Summary: Your post is very, very general. Please expand. Thank you for your time.

Karivaa

This is awesome!!!

Karivaa

Can I suggest you get a representative from Xbox too? We do not have addons so the game is different for us.

IlCanis_LupuslI

We need a Werewolf representative in there badly XD
@Qbiken would be my nomination

Hallothiel

Would this be just for pc players? Wasn't clear from announcement.

It would be helpful if console players were included as we can have a different perspective on gameplay (no add ons for one thing) that would be helpful.

Grimm13

I have mixed feelings on this. While this it does give another view point to the Devs, it is also a limited view point. A handful of people can steer it in a wrong direction easily.

Best to temper this with supporting surveys as well to ensure the committee is head in the same path as the community.

BohnT

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

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BohnT wrote: »

There idea is good but how you want to do it is just stupid.
1. all players in that committee should have played each and all classes not one. There are people who are great on their classes and haven't touched any other class. Their view is always biased and this is something that you shouldn't be in a discussion about class Balance.
2. the discussion has to be completely transparent and everyone should be able to take part when discussing on the forums about different topics but these discussions need to be moderated so people which try to derail, are biased or just make bad arguments over and over again need to be banned from the topics

It's difficult to find people who actually do that (yet alone actually want to do that). In my opinion 10 players aren't enough and the restriction to be good at PvP and PvE at the same time is already too much to ask for (many good PvP players don't even play PvE and vice versa), they should seperate PvP and PvE in these discussions for sure.
Everyone is biased, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as it prevents classes from getting overnerfed (nothing is worse than overnerfing a class in my opinion).

Well yeah it's hard but I've been through every class now( pvp and pve my knowledge on pve is worse and not as good as I'd want it to be for someone who makes balance discussions). And with every class my view on things changed, it's especially important that people fought with other classes against their main class.

Yeah everyone is biased but some of the top players of their class are extremely biased towards their class and don't see how things work when you face them.

WakeYourGhost

Focused feedback from a few community representatives?
There are a lot of ways this could help... and a lot of ways it could hurt, too.

Can we see the Feedback they give, as a community, before any changes are made or their suggestions are taken? There may be several points of view not considered.

That being said - Good luck with your search, even better luck gathering community data on classes, skills, and abilities.

aeowulf

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I don't want to sound rude but, there is a lot of feedback already, from a lot of good folks. gilliams videos, joy's posts etc. you guys already know the good eggs, those worth listening to and the bad. I hope all they have said historically has been taken on board but we do not have visibility. Does it get read? tried out? really? does it? We have no idea. There is so much class feedback already, and plenty of role feedback too, yet it often feels like it's ignored. For example, siphoning changes. The change to this skill pretty much single handedly removed NB tanks from the game. This feedback was given during Morrowind beta, and ignored. Morrowind hit, NB tanks disappeared. Is that an issue? Feels like it isn't as it's a year later now... There was a change to executioner 'to help NB tanks' but it's buggy as in it does not restore resources if you kill the mob with the correct ability. That's been around since at least November without a comment, is it even a bug??! (it's also woefully useless to a NB tank, in the way it costs more resources than you get back, needs a dead body AND perfect timing) NB cannot be correctly reviewed until they are bug free. The same actually applies to every class. So is the lack of NB tanks an issue? It's actually bigger than that, as in there is a significant issue with every underplayed class/role combo, somewhere. Like DK healer. These are the areas that need some ZOS resources, bug fixing and those missing classes. They are not played for a reason.

I understand that it's not really possible for someone to post about every issue raised by everyone, but there are some mega threads on these forums which surely should deserve at least a 'yeah OK, we'll look at this and feature it on an ESO Live sometime soon' and actually come back with a response after looking at it.

But it is a most excellent game you have. Just fix performance, bugs & role balance, please.

RebornV3x

I nominate myself for mag sorc rep....

na i'm joking if this was a year ago I would definitely consider it but I don't play mag sorc as much. I have a lot of great ideas on how to improve the Sorcerer class. I have played mages/spellcasters in other MMOs. Also I've been playing a sorc on ESO on and off since around console release. but alas I'm not too vocal on these fourms and or a popular streamer/YouTuber anyways

Now on a serious note I would nominate @Hexys for magicka sorc. Hexys builds helped me better understand the magic Sorcerer class and would do a great job making sorc great again.

Ectheliontnacil

I think demanding both pve and pvp experience is a bit unwise. Most top tier players in pvp of a certain class, have played that one class exclusively and have mostly pvped.
A lot of ppl calling for Gilliam as a nighblade rep...idk he does some pve theorycrafting, but he certainly isn't top tier in pvp from what I've seen (just an example, no offence).

That being said, I think @Fasold666 or "Curanion" would be awesome at representing magsorcs. My fav sorcs and both absolutely top tier solo players, arguably the best sorcs in game .

Check @Fasold666 's vids if you don't agree.

ol_BANK_lo

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We’re excited to announce a new initiative we’ll be spinning up over the next couple months and would like your help! We’re looking for about 10 players to fill the role of an ESO Class Representative.

The selected players should have a deep understanding of at least one class, with extensive knowledge involving abilities, itemization, solo and group play in both PvE and PvP scenarios. Representatives will be asked to work together to compile a list of the top concerns and bugs for each class, and present these notes to members of the ESO Development Team on a quarterly basis. Note that we’re not looking for general class suggestions or ideas at this time; our focus will specifically be on some of the current pain points.

After these meetings are held, we’ll provide a summary of what was discussed so everyone in the community has visibility.

The goal of this program is to make sure we’re focusing on what’s important to YOU, and work together to ensure we’re taking your main concerns into consideration for future updates. This doesn’t mean every piece of feedback will be acted upon, but this will ensure your voice is being heard.

If you’d like to nominate one of your fellow players – or even yourself – for consideration of this role, please email us at community@elderscrollsonline.com by April 8 with the name, the class (or classes) your nomination specializes in, and a short reason why. The ESO Development and Community Teams will ultimately make the final decision on our final group of representatives.

Please let us know if you have any questions, and thanks!

Just watch Gilliam's vids...lol

ol_BANK_lo

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

In my opinion this is not what zenimnax should be doing to get information about balance issues. There is to much Bias in the community to elect 10 individuals. You would have an easier time creating poles for people to vote on. The forums make more progress when people participate in class based pts threads every pts patch.

I would have loved to be elected as an individual to discuss Nightblade 12 months ago... however the game just kept making worse and worse decisions. Blatantly changing core mechanics and not fixing the problems with specific gear/skills/passives that were being abused.

Very few players on these forums even care about balance anymore. They just care about their class and thats it. The game became less and less about skill/decision making and more about itemisation and flavour of the month abusing.

I could literally write you a patch by patch list starting from console release to now of everything you did right and everything you did wrong... but you developers at zenimax wouldn't even care. I used to log tons of hours into this game and had a blast in cryodill but there was never a time while playing this game where there wasn't a huge issue with balance that people flocked to abuse.



Im sorry Zenimax but its to late. All my friends stopped playing this game due to balance issues. Your new players wont know how good eso used to be and they will be what keeps your pockets full.

If you would like me to write you an essay on stamina classes or stealth as a whole feel free to reach out to me.

@GreenSoup2HoT

A. Polls are not useful for shear amount of info and intricacies of the different classes. Polls are good for a few decided choices.

B. It's VERY near-sighted of you to say it's too late because YOUR friends stopped playing. The game has had a growing player base. So, there are millions of others who would find it useful. Look outside of your box.