ESO Class Representative Program

QuebraRegra

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Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

QuebraRegra

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sirinsidiator wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno While I do welcome some open discussion, I feel that one point needs some clarification. Should these representatives just collect and compile the concerns of the community posted here on the forum or via other channels and discuss these with the devs so you don't have to read every single post, or is this an invite for people with in-depth knowledge to bring up points they think are an issue with that class?

If it is the first, I have to say that's actually a bit lazy and insincere since that should be a job for someone working at ZOS and not for unpaid volunteers, if it's the latter, it might easily turn out to be a bad idea since every one of them will have their own agenda and they likely won't provide objective feedback. In either case it could easily happen that a huge part of the player base and play styles gets underrepresented - especially since people with in-depth knowledge don't think or play like more casual players which should make up the larger part of the community.

Maybe it would be better to instead start using some platform like uservoice so everyone can participate and you can easily keep track of what's been requested?

I'm ready to see WROBEL step aside.... now... Like before any more damage is done....

I'm pretty sure he's been making pretty frocks for the Crown Store. Like all the ZOS dev's plan on doing when the players are left to do the game's combat and balancing.

it was either that or an applause gif... nicely played

Drdeath20

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Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

Well that might be how you feel but maybe somebody else might feel differently. The point is there should be effort and an ability to recognize the games direction (past, present and future) also be able to articulate the strengths and weaknesses of the class in corespondance with the games direction.

Plenty of people are capable of this and willing to do the work. Best write proves the person is the most qualified.

if we just go off majority rule, the most popular (and often least capable) candidate wins and that helps nobody.

kadar

To you folks voting for the best stam or mag [insert class here] NA/EU, whatever-- Those aren't the folks we want on this team. People who have been playing the same thing for years, don't have the greatest grasp of class balance, and tend to be crazy biased.

The best choices would be players who play at least both sides of 1 class in both types of content. Obvious preference to players experienced with multiple classes and content types.

Subversus

This is interesting cause they only want 10 players. I assume that's 5 for pve and 5 for pvp, which means the class rep will not be a (for example) stamblade rep or a magblade rep, but a NIGHTBLADE rep.

I know who I would've nominated for stamblade or magblade alone, there are some great players on these forums. Nominating one player to decide over both stam and mag aspects will be hard though. Especially for classes like dk where a spec is more than fine while the other is meh.

I say they should make it 20 class reps. 4 per class, 2 mag, 2 stam for pvp and pve respectively. It wouldn't be a good idea to have for example a stamblade main decide over magblade balancing, or a stamdk main decide over magdk.

DKsUnite

Subversus wrote: »

This is interesting cause they only want 10 players. I assume that's 5 for pve and 5 for pvp, which means the class rep will not be a (for example) stamblade rep or a magblade rep, but a NIGHTBLADE rep.

I know who I would've nominated for stamblade or magblade alone, there are some great players on these forums. Nominating one player to decide over both stam and mag aspects will be hard though. Especially for classes like dk where a spec is more than fine while the other is meh.

I say they should make it 20 class reps. 4 per class, 2 mag, 2 stam for pvp and pve respectively. It wouldn't be a good idea to have for example a stamblade main decide over magblade balancing, or a stamdk main decide over magdk.

^ this

WillhelmBlack

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WillhelmBlack wrote: »

This just shows how little the combat designers know.

It's also a bad idea."The selected players should have a deep understanding of at least one class". No, that should be all classes, and that should be the devs.

There will always be players who have a better a more nuanced understanding of how a class actually plays than a dev. I was that player in Rift for the Cleric class and feedback from myself and others like me lead to a lot of changes and bug fixes that probably wouldn't have happened otherwise. Don't underestimate the importance of certain individual players' feedback--devs can't spend hours parsing, raiding, pvping, etc etc with every single class, but players can.

This also gives players an avenue of communication to devs by communicating with the player chosen to provide feedback.

I understand that but players in this game are incredibly biased, some literally only play one class. If ZOS don't have the time to play the game they make then they should take tips from players like Alcast, Gilliam and others that play all classes, do the PvE content but also PvP. Class reps are a bad idea.

Drdeath20

Most people who are willing to actually write up a class synopsis probably play on multiple toons both stamina and magicka.

If you guys think you are qualified write up a synopsis thats better than the rest and earn your stripes.

ZoS decides who they want from that. Fair and unbiased.

beetleklee

This is a great idea, I'll be sure to nominate a few for MagDK especially.

Chicharron

I'll nominate

@Smitty.Werbenjagermanjensen

getemshauna

My votes:
@Izaki
@Gilliamtherogue
@Liofa
@LZH

Subversus

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Most people who are willing to actually write up a class synopsis probably play on multiple toons both stamina and magicka.

If you guys think you are qualified write up a synopsis thats better than the rest and earn your stripes.

ZoS decides who they want from that. Fair and unbiased.

Aren't you the guy who keeps going on 1vX video threads and talks smack? Lmao

Demion

Sounds like an interesting idea, looking forward to see its outcome

Vapirko

We need a stam sorc rep although idk how many are out there.

Lexxypwns

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

I think it’s necessary.

However, I think it needs be done in conjunction with lowering the effectiveness of other defensive mechanics and defile while compensating some classes with slightly higher base healing and adjusting of a few problematic offensive skills which in the new lower healing environment allow too much concurrent damage to recover from

I’ve posted about this quite a lot. Crit heals are specifically what is making defile+befoul stacking necessary(otherwise nobody can die if they build for crit healing) and they’re also one of the two things keeping stamblade unbalanced.

@Drdeath20 the fact that someone else has a different point of view is why the discussions between representatives and the community need to be transparent and open to community feedback.

Edit: FYI, there’s no way I’d do this unless I’m drawing a salary from ZoS. This isn’t an argument for me to be a rep. I’m not gonna waste my time with these Devs that have consistently ignored the players they’ve consulted unless it’s about some money. Helping people on forums is different from doing free work for a Triple A MMO

Drdeath20

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QuebraRegra wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

I think it’s necessary.

However, I think it needs be done in conjunction with lowering the effectiveness of other defensive mechanics and defile while compensating some classes with slightly higher base healing and adjusting of a few problematic offensive skills which in the new lower healing environment allow too much concurrent damage to recover from

I’ve posted about this quite a lot. Crit heals are specifically what is making defile+befoul stacking necessary(otherwise nobody can die if they build for crit healing) and they’re also one of the two things keeping stamblade unbalanced.

@Drdeath20 the fact that someone else has a different point of view is why the discussions between representatives and the community need to be transparent and open to community feedback.

How are they not?

Go write up a class synopsis, post it for everyone to see (this includes ZoS).

ZoS chooses who they think had the best synopsis.

From there the community gets involved with the class represntative.

Lexxypwns

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

I think it’s necessary.

However, I think it needs be done in conjunction with lowering the effectiveness of other defensive mechanics and defile while compensating some classes with slightly higher base healing and adjusting of a few problematic offensive skills which in the new lower healing environment allow too much concurrent damage to recover from

I’ve posted about this quite a lot. Crit heals are specifically what is making defile+befoul stacking necessary(otherwise nobody can die if they build for crit healing) and they’re also one of the two things keeping stamblade unbalanced.

@Drdeath20 the fact that someone else has a different point of view is why the discussions between representatives and the community need to be transparent and open to community feedback.

How are they not?

Go write up a class synopsis, post it for everyone to see (this includes ZoS).

ZoS chooses who they think had the best synopsis.

From there the community gets involved with the class represntative.

Lol, I edited after you quoted.

I’ve got 0 interest in this, I do not want to do anything for ZoS without serious financial compensation

Drdeath20

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Drdeath20 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

I think it’s necessary.

However, I think it needs be done in conjunction with lowering the effectiveness of other defensive mechanics and defile while compensating some classes with slightly higher base healing and adjusting of a few problematic offensive skills which in the new lower healing environment allow too much concurrent damage to recover from

I’ve posted about this quite a lot. Crit heals are specifically what is making defile+befoul stacking necessary(otherwise nobody can die if they build for crit healing) and they’re also one of the two things keeping stamblade unbalanced.

@Drdeath20 the fact that someone else has a different point of view is why the discussions between representatives and the community need to be transparent and open to community feedback.

How are they not?

Go write up a class synopsis, post it for everyone to see (this includes ZoS).

ZoS chooses who they think had the best synopsis.

From there the community gets involved with the class represntative.

Lol, I edited after you quoted.

I’ve got 0 interest in this, I do not want to do anything for ZoS without serious financial compensation

I gotcha. Some people would and those are the people most deserving of the job.

Not a popularity contest its something that is fair and unbiased. Either you are able to put in the work and articualte or you are not.

Drdeath20

Joy_division just hit a home run on magplar, im excited to see what other people post.

Cenom

Can we have @GilliamTheRogue for every class?

Lexxypwns

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

I think it’s necessary.

However, I think it needs be done in conjunction with lowering the effectiveness of other defensive mechanics and defile while compensating some classes with slightly higher base healing and adjusting of a few problematic offensive skills which in the new lower healing environment allow too much concurrent damage to recover from

I’ve posted about this quite a lot. Crit heals are specifically what is making defile+befoul stacking necessary(otherwise nobody can die if they build for crit healing) and they’re also one of the two things keeping stamblade unbalanced.

@Drdeath20 the fact that someone else has a different point of view is why the discussions between representatives and the community need to be transparent and open to community feedback.

How are they not?

Go write up a class synopsis, post it for everyone to see (this includes ZoS).

ZoS chooses who they think had the best synopsis.

From there the community gets involved with the class represntative.

Lol, I edited after you quoted.

I’ve got 0 interest in this, I do not want to do anything for ZoS without serious financial compensation

I gotcha. Some people would and those are the people most deserving of the job.

Not a popularity contest its something that is fair and unbiased. Either you are able to put in the work and articualte or you are not.

I just happen to be of the opinion that for several specific class specs no changes should be made until other classes are adjusted. Imo, Mageblade falls into this category, as does Stamblade, Stam Warden, and mag DK. I think they each have things that need adjusting but that they’re overall in a healthy position(or overperforming) and shouldn’t be changed until we redefine specific other classes - Magplar, Stam DK, and Mag Warden in particular. Then there are classes which are currently incredibly strong in some situations and bad in others that will also need to be adjusted after big overhauls to the classes most in need happen.

We can’t know anything about the changes needed for healthy specs(ones that perform well or over-perform in a wide variety of situations) until we see exactly what ZoS is planning and how dramatic their changes will be

Drdeath20

Cenom wrote: »

Can we have @GilliamTheRogue for every class?

I would love to see his analysis on classes.

Drdeath20

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Drdeath20 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

QuebraRegra wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

I think it’s necessary.

However, I think it needs be done in conjunction with lowering the effectiveness of other defensive mechanics and defile while compensating some classes with slightly higher base healing and adjusting of a few problematic offensive skills which in the new lower healing environment allow too much concurrent damage to recover from

I’ve posted about this quite a lot. Crit heals are specifically what is making defile+befoul stacking necessary(otherwise nobody can die if they build for crit healing) and they’re also one of the two things keeping stamblade unbalanced.

@Drdeath20 the fact that someone else has a different point of view is why the discussions between representatives and the community need to be transparent and open to community feedback.

How are they not?

Go write up a class synopsis, post it for everyone to see (this includes ZoS).

ZoS chooses who they think had the best synopsis.

From there the community gets involved with the class represntative.

Lol, I edited after you quoted.

I’ve got 0 interest in this, I do not want to do anything for ZoS without serious financial compensation

I gotcha. Some people would and those are the people most deserving of the job.

Not a popularity contest its something that is fair and unbiased. Either you are able to put in the work and articualte or you are not.

I just happen to be of the opinion that for several specific class specs no changes should be made until other classes are adjusted. Imo, Mageblade falls into this category, as does Stamblade, Stam Warden, and mag DK. I think they each have things that need adjusting but that they’re overall in a healthy position(or overperforming) and shouldn’t be changed until we redefine specific other classes - Magplar, Stam DK, and Mag Warden in particular. Then there are classes which are currently incredibly strong in some situations and bad in others that will also need to be adjusted after big overhauls to the classes most in need happen.

We can’t know anything about the changes needed for healthy specs(ones that perform well or over-perform in a wide variety of situations) until we see exactly what ZoS is planning and how dramatic their changes will be

True

efster

Does

extensive knowledge involving abilities, itemization, solo and group play

mean players who know how to play a class in every role, in both PVP and PVE? Or is this going to be another exercise in entrenching the status quo?

DoonerSeraph

Somebody pinch me, must be dreaming lol. TY ZOS

Im_MegaDeath

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

This is a good but a little late move ZOS.

I would like to apply myself, but I'm afraid my personality is venomous at best and I am known to have a bias favoring stamDks

So please, if there are any other stamDK mains left, do apply, and make sure the class isn't garbage for yet another year.

also @Liofa , I think you might want to take a look at this.

Thanks for the mention ^^

My honest opinion here . I can represent every class in terms of PvE tanking but it is not going to work this way . One person simply cannot represent a class as a whole . Even ten people cannot represent a class all together . Limited amount of people will have limited amount of experience . Yes , you can take the people you think the most experienced but there still will be flaws .

If I have to be more clear . Let's say I was chosen to be the DK representetive . I am quite confident as a PvE Tank player to give proper and valuable feedback and bug reports on DK PvE Tank but I won't be able to give proper feedback on other aspects of the game as a DK . Yes , I do PvP , I know how to play DK DPS builds and such but I am nowhere near as experienced as dedicated DD players . A master DK PvE DPS player will not be able to give proper feedback like a dedicated PvP player can do . It just won't be the same between the two . Simply not possible . I hope I could make a point . So my question is that how many players are you thinking about choosing to represent a class ? Are you really going to choose a single player or is it going to be more for each class ?

Looking forward to an answer

I see your point. Its a shame ZOS only wants 10 players for this, but I still think you are the one when it comes to pve tanking and pve Dk. As for PvP stamDK I just don't know how they can make the class any worse so in a sense I'm not too worried about it, I think the issues about the class is clear as day and you probably can see it too.

10 players probably means 1 for each spec, but does that mean 1 for pve 1 for pvp , or 1 for mag , 1 for stam, I do not know.

Either way it won't work I think . If they are splitting for Magicka and Stamina , who is going to cover Healing and Tanking ? If they are splitting for PvP and PvE , who can have all the information about all roles and builds ? It just won't work ... Maybe they meant 10 per class ? Well , at least I hope they did ^^

They are looking for basically a very knowledgeable player on a single class. Im guessing 1 magic 1 stam. I have been a DK since beta and know just about every build/playstyle for DK it is possible no doubt. people like fear turbo or gilliam or swag have great knowledge on multiple classes and can cover just about everything. Knowledge is not limited so 10 people can do this with ease. The only question is will Zos pick the right people and are the people who have this knowledge willing to help.

Avran_Sylt

Good. Unfortunate that the community hasn't done so prior.

Having representatives will allow for aggregated and generalized feedback that can be much more easily digested and responded to by the small team at Zenimax. I always find it a two-way street, if the community wants proper feedback from the devs, the community needs to make sure that the feedback is manageable. Though I guess it needs official word to kick-start something like that (which is fair enough).

gepe87

I hope that PvP MagSorc representatives show our concerns about Frags (raise % procs, raise damage or stun return) and volt tackle penalty (it's our key ability to keep our ranged attack nature). As well a word about shield stack (prevent but raise hardened shield strength).

clv

i don't think ten people per class is anywhere near enough considering that a considerable amount of pve/pvpers focus far more on their preferred game type, spec, and playstyle, as considering as well the intrinsic bias of a player. but it's a good start.

technohic

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QuebraRegra wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Its simple. If people want to do it, go make an indepth writeup like joy_division did about magplars but for their respected class. Earn your spot.

I seriously hope its not 10 for each class.

And what if your main class, the one you’d be most comfortable advising, only needs some minor nerfs+some QoL improvements in its current state?

Should someone write up a 5000 word forum post saying Mageblade is mostly fine but will need changes based on decisions with other classes?

you can start by writing up and addressing the recent crit heal ninja nerf... thanks for your support.

I think it’s necessary.

However, I think it needs be done in conjunction with lowering the effectiveness of other defensive mechanics and defile while compensating some classes with slightly higher base healing and adjusting of a few problematic offensive skills which in the new lower healing environment allow too much concurrent damage to recover from

I’ve posted about this quite a lot. Crit heals are specifically what is making defile+befoul stacking necessary(otherwise nobody can die if they build for crit healing) and they’re also one of the two things keeping stamblade unbalanced.

@Drdeath20 the fact that someone else has a different point of view is why the discussions between representatives and the community need to be transparent and open to community feedback.

Edit: FYI, there’s no way I’d do this unless I’m drawing a salary from ZoS. This isn’t an argument for me to be a rep. I’m not gonna waste my time with these Devs that have consistently ignored the players they’ve consulted unless it’s about some money. Helping people on forums is different from doing free work for a Triple A MMO

I’m disappointed because I think you’d do a great job because of your even view even on the classes you play to be honest with what they need but I definitely understand where you stand. I wouldn’t want to do it but not due to being a free resource; but I’d find it too much of a responsibility to everyone that plays the classes to attempt to speak for anyone if it was going to make a difference; and it’s a waste of time if it’s not.