1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

Recremen

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I remember the days when we used to say "I WOULD PAY THOUSANDS OF CROWNS FOR TRANSMOG"

If you dont like it dont get simple.

I would pay if it was a one-time up-front cost like costumes, where you buy it once and then are free to change as much as you want forever. That is not the system they shipped. You have to pay every time you want to change any of your outfits. So if they want it that way, fine, I'm going gold only.

peacenote

I remember when the dye system first came out. I was really surprised at how many people were super critical of a truly free system that was implemented in the game. There were complaints that colors were different on different types of fabric, or that armor needed to be re-designed to work better with the dye channels, etc.

I played around with it and thought... "Wow, what a well-designed system. People are complaining about nothing. I really appreciate that this was implemented as core functionality so many years later. ZOS really listens." And the fact that ESO Plus subscribers could dye outfits seemed like the right kind of bonus. Subscribe or get dye stamps.

And then I went out and bought costumes, mounts, and more from the Crown Store, feeling good about the fact that my purchases would go towards the development of content good for the future of the game.

I thought the same thing when the Justice System was introduced, and when One Tamriel gave us things like dueling.

I even thought the same thing about the Housing system, even though that system clearly was designed as a feeder for income. It was done well and in such a way where many things could be obtained with gold, and "saving up" to buy a house makes sense. Once purchased, you can use your home over and over again... no entry fee for homes. No bizarre "edit" fee any time you place furniture in them. The cost comes with obtaining the homes and furniture, which was logical and intuitive.

I miss those days.

Both the Transmutation and Outfit Systems seem to lack this basic idea, which is to make the core system available to all in a way that is integrated well into the rest of the game, and putting the cost sinks into well designed "extras." Neither system ties into crafting even though motif knowledge and trait research are needed, transmutation stones have this weird cap that people can get around by not opening their geodes, and now outfit slots aren't account bound, and every single change costs gold or a token! I'm glad that some people are happy with the system but I agree with everyone who is saying the costs are ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who has purchased:

• Pariah's Pinnacle (unfurnished)
• Lichal Grand Manor (unfurnished)
• Grand Topal Hideaway (furnished)

That's over $300 in crowns, full price.

And I was considering purchasing at least one of the new homes that was previewed on PTS with Bones. And yes, I've purchased Crown Crates. Even those, in my opinion, were implemented much more fairly, because of the gems.

But I will not buy outfit slots, outfit tokens, or spend gold on this system. Because it is ridiculous that we would be hit with all of these different fees. Especially after the fact that many of us have been going out and trying to learn motifs and get our research done to prepare for these systems in anticipation of using them. It seemed like finally being a crafter was going to pay off. I even used some Crown Crate gems to get motifs because I knew this system was coming. Charging me to use those motifs is double-dipping, plain and simple.

I would have paid thousands of crowns for a system of unlimited usage, once purchased. THIS type of implementation I will not support. If outfit slots were per-character, but once purchased you could tweak them at no cost, I could maybe deal with that. But hitting us coming and going, without even trying to have it make sense in game as for the reason that we are paying gold... I don't care that much about how my characters look.

Honest feedback that hopefully will be considered. Clearly, I'll spend money on the game. Not everyone may agree with me, but from some of the posts I've seen, I'm not the only one who feels this way about the Outfit System costs and implementation.

Mayrael

peacenote wrote: »

I remember when the dye system first came out. I was really surprised at how many people were super critical of a truly free system that was implemented in the game. There were complaints that colors were different on different types of fabric, or that armor needed to be re-designed to work better with the dye channels, etc.

I played around with it and thought... "Wow, what a well-designed system. People are complaining about nothing. I really appreciate that this was implemented as core functionality so many years later. ZOS really listens." And the fact that ESO Plus subscribers could dye outfits seemed like the right kind of bonus. Subscribe or get dye stamps.

And then I went out and bought costumes, mounts, and more from the Crown Store, feeling good about the fact that my purchases would go towards the development of content good for the future of the game.

I thought the same thing when the Justice System was introduced, and when One Tamriel gave us things like dueling.

I even thought the same thing about the Housing system, even though that system clearly was designed as a feeder for income. It was done well and in such a way where many things could be obtained with gold, and "saving up" to buy a house makes sense. Once purchased, you can use your home over and over again... no entry fee for homes. No bizarre "edit" fee any time you place furniture in them. The cost comes with obtaining the homes and furniture, which was logical and intuitive.

I miss those days.

Both the Transmutation and Outfit Systems seem to lack this basic idea, which is to make the core system available to all in a way that is integrated well into the rest of the game, and putting the cost sinks into well designed "extras." Neither system ties into crafting even though motif knowledge and trait research are needed, transmutation stones have this weird cap that people can get around by not opening their geodes, and now outfit slots aren't account bound, and every single change costs gold or a token! I'm glad that some people are happy with the system but I agree with everyone who is saying the costs are ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who has purchased:

• Pariah's Pinnacle (unfurnished)
• Lichal Grand Manor (unfurnished)
• Grand Topal Hideaway (furnished)

That's over $300 in crowns, full price.

And I was considering purchasing at least one of the new homes that was previewed on PTS with Bones. And yes, I've purchased Crown Crates. Even those, in my opinion, were implemented much more fairly, because of the gems.

But I will not buy outfit slots, outfit tokens, or spend gold on this system. Because it is ridiculous that we would be hit with all of these different fees. Especially after the fact that many of us have been going out and trying to learn motifs and get our research done to prepare for these systems in anticipation of using them. It seemed like finally being a crafter was going to pay off. I even used some Crown Crate gems to get motifs because I knew this system was coming. Charging me to use those motifs is double-dipping, plain and simple.

I would have paid thousands of crowns for a system of unlimited usage, once purchased. THIS type of implementation I will not support. If outfit slots were per-character, but once purchased you could tweak them at no cost, I could maybe deal with that. But hitting us coming and going, without even trying to have it make sense in game as for the reason that we are paying gold... I don't care that much about how my characters look.

Honest feedback that hopefully will be considered. Clearly, I'll spend money on the game. Not everyone may agree with me, but from some of the posts I've seen, I'm not the only one who feels this way about the Outfit System costs and implementation.

Simply that. Voice of reason And as my voice of opposition to that system Ive unsubed. If nothing is going to change this will simply mean end of the game for me (no you can't have my stuff) and I won't even regret to much as this implementation of outfit system foretells only worse things in the future.

Rev Rielle

They should be ashamed of themselves.
Nothing turns a player-base off like a greedy development team.

cabbageub17_ESO

I dropped my 6 month renewal to 1. If prices (IRL and possibly in game) don't improve I may be gone too.

Mishku

yeah, you know, usually I'm pretty sensitive to microtransactions, but I can't really get mad about this one. We got the feature for free and it wasn't just like WoW's transmog, in which you apply an appearance to a specific item and once you upgrade from that item you have to do it again - you just set it once and it's like that forever. As a reformed WoW player this is infinitely better. It definitely feels overpriced for just extra slots but if you don't like it, vote with your wallet and enjoy the free feature.

lakaisl

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

Ajaxduo

lakaisl wrote: »

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

uh no you don't...

SydneyGrey

You can pay 700-1500 crowns for a costume that every one of your 15 characters can use.

Or you can pay 1500 crowns for a single costume for a single character, with the outfit system. Sorry, but that doesn't sound like a good deal. That's not even a sorta-OK deal. They need to cut that price in half, at the very least.

logarifmik

I'm not intend to offend someone, but devs are clearly follow Ferengi's Rules of Acquisition, don't you agree? Don't act like a Ferengi and be more like a Human, reconsider, please.

lakaisl

Ajaxduo wrote: »

lakaisl wrote: »

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

uh no you don't...

Ajaxduo wrote: »

lakaisl wrote: »

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

uh no you don't...

Nice and helpful comment...

Then how do I 'share' them?

Faulgor

lakaisl wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

lakaisl wrote: »

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

uh no you don't...

Ajaxduo wrote: »

lakaisl wrote: »

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

uh no you don't...

Nice and helpful comment...

Then how do I 'share' them?

They are shared automatically when you log in with the character that knows the motifs.

lakaisl

Faulgor wrote: »

lakaisl wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

lakaisl wrote: »

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

uh no you don't...

Ajaxduo wrote: »

lakaisl wrote: »

After the long wait to get a outfit system it turns out to suck balls...

I have one crafter which knows all the crafting styles, so now i have to get all the crafting styles to craft styles for my other characters. It bloody useless!

uh no you don't...

Nice and helpful comment...

Then how do I 'share' them?

They are shared automatically when you log in with the character that knows the motifs.

Thank you

altemriel

LOL, WTH ZOS??!!

Carbonised

I see ZOS are dealing with this critisism on the main forums exactly like they did on the PTS forums when these issues were brought forth (though that was about the gold cost, another topic that has gathered negative review here on the forum) - by clamming up and keeping silent.

Normally when people bring forth issues, devs at least have some comment like "we hear you" or "it's being looked into" - and devs were busy yesterday replying to comments about the toasted EU server and all the bugs and exploits. But this issue, the longest thread so far about the update? Radio silence. They know they can't defend such a blatant money grab, so they just keep silent and hope it blows over and that people will fork over their monthly pay to the shareholders and executive directors anyway.

It's downright shameful. The only message they will listen to is voting with your Dollar, or Euro, or whatever. Boycut the outfitting slots and use the free one, while changing stuff around for gold instead. Maybe if they earn significantly less than what they had calculated with this scam, they will adjust prices accordingly. If not, at least we're not rewarding them for bad behaviour.

Morgul667

Carbonised wrote: »

The only message they will listen to is voting with your Dollar, or Euro, or whatever. Boycut the outfitting slots and use the free one, while changing stuff around for gold instead. Maybe if they earn significantly less than what they had calculated with this scam, they will adjust prices accordingly. If not, at least we're not rewarding them for bad behaviour.

Already in progress.

There is no way I pay 1500 crowns for a char outfit

LadyAstrum

I actually feel embarrassed for ZoS over this. Look at this thread. Look at comments on reddit. People are not happy. When even people that buy the high-priced mansions are saying: "no, thanks!" You know ZoS went too far. I've spent too much on costumes and horses, and one house, even riding lessons and characters slots, but I will not be spending 1500 to make an outfit only one character can use. The idea makes me feel nauseous. I will stick to my free slot, and if others don't buy it, then hopefully ZoS will see 1500 crowns for a single outfit slot is more than it's playerbase is willing to put money towards.

Radinyn

It's fair, for me.

SugaComa

This is the problem with crowns

People look at them but rarely do the maths on the exchange rate to figure out real money value.

When you start to do that you start to see just how overly priced the crown store is , sadly due to the "free" crowns with ESO plus people throw crowns at stuff with out considering the actually price, I've done it my self

£75 for a house
£50 for the game

Of course this was going to be badly priced

Kendaric

At this point I see the following options:

a) Keep them single character but drop the price by at least half, i.e. 750 crowns. While still expensive, it would be much more bearable

b) Make the outfit slots accountwide but keep the price.

c) Offer them for gold as well, similiar to inventory and bank upgrades

Options b) and c) would be preferable.

Edit: Oops, forgot option d) Add a second outfit slot as a subscriber perk to ESO+

LadyAstrum

Kendaric wrote: »

At this point I see the following options:

a) Keep them single character but drop the price by at least half, i.e. 750 crowns. While still expensive, it would be much more bearable

b) Make the outfit slots accountwide but keep the price.

c) Offer them for gold as well, similiar to inventory and bank upgrades

Options b) and c) would be preferable.

I'd be satisfied with any of those options. Far more reasonable than the present situation.

Highlor3

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I remember the days when we used to say "I WOULD PAY THOUSANDS OF CROWNS FOR TRANSMOG"

If you dont like it dont get simple.

If the "1 Outfit Slot for 1500 crowns" were an account wide slot, I would buy at least 2~4, that would make the final cost being 3000~6000 crowns, per definition those could be called "THOUSANDS OF CROWNS".

feyii

Wing wrote: »

so over 13k crowns for all 9

or $100 at the most efficient crown bundle

fyi it was like 350 per slot on the test server

or more expensive then over 2 chapters (so do you want 2 eso chapters or 9 cosmetic slots?)

seems a little bit insane.

While I totally agree that the price is really stupid, especially since the slots have to be bought per character and not per account, there was really NO indication on PTS how it would be on live. Everything on PTS crown store costs 1 crown.

duendology

Ehh but of course ZOS waits till the people get over and swallow the prices. And they will.
After all, there's a thread where people already show their new character outfits and all is "yay".

Voxicity

I can't wait to download Dragon Bones later and not buy a single outfit slot

YamiKuruku

i feel dumb because i didnt looked it up and bought the extra slot and now only one character got it haha
so sad... 1500 crowns down the drain )):

1500 crowns for a slot and then the insane gold costs are a real bummer

Vostorn

YamiKuruku wrote: »

i feel dumb because i didnt looked it up and bought the extra slot and now only one character got it haha
so sad... 1500 crowns down the drain )):

1500 crowns for a slot and then the insane gold costs are a real bummer

I would ask for a refund if I were you because there is no way to know it only works for one character.

Voxicity

YamiKuruku wrote: »

i feel dumb because i didnt looked it up and bought the extra slot and now only one character got it haha
so sad... 1500 crowns down the drain )):

1500 crowns for a slot and then the insane gold costs are a real bummer

Pretty sure that's how ZOS intends to make their money from it, tricking innocent players into buying a product that sounds a lot better than it actually is

YamiKuruku

Vostorn wrote: »

YamiKuruku wrote: »

i feel dumb because i didnt looked it up and bought the extra slot and now only one character got it haha
so sad... 1500 crowns down the drain )):

1500 crowns for a slot and then the insane gold costs are a real bummer

I would ask for a refund if I were you because there is no way to know it only works for one character.

not sure if the support would answer me tho
but maybe i should try it
but then the question is, if the outfit i created gets re-created or deleted? i dont wanna lose my gold that i put in it tbh x'D
and the first outfit i made was kinda ugly compared to the second slot

Diffused

We pay Subs. Why cant Something in this game just be gold based.