1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Diffused wrote: »

We pay Subs. Why cant Something in this game just be gold based.

SOME OF US pay subs. That's why many things cannot be gold based.

Mannix1958 · February 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

I remember when the dye system first came out. I was really surprised at how many people were super critical of a truly free system that was implemented in the game. There were complaints that colors were different on different types of fabric, or that armor needed to be re-designed to work better with the dye channels, etc.

I played around with it and thought... "Wow, what a well-designed system. People are complaining about nothing. I really appreciate that this was implemented as core functionality so many years later. ZOS really listens." And the fact that ESO Plus subscribers could dye outfits seemed like the right kind of bonus. Subscribe or get dye stamps.

And then I went out and bought costumes, mounts, and more from the Crown Store, feeling good about the fact that my purchases would go towards the development of content good for the future of the game.

I thought the same thing when the Justice System was introduced, and when One Tamriel gave us things like dueling.

I even thought the same thing about the Housing system, even though that system clearly was designed as a feeder for income. It was done well and in such a way where many things could be obtained with gold, and "saving up" to buy a house makes sense. Once purchased, you can use your home over and over again... no entry fee for homes. No bizarre "edit" fee any time you place furniture in them. The cost comes with obtaining the homes and furniture, which was logical and intuitive.

I miss those days.

Both the Transmutation and Outfit Systems seem to lack this basic idea, which is to make the core system available to all in a way that is integrated well into the rest of the game, and putting the cost sinks into well designed "extras." Neither system ties into crafting even though motif knowledge and trait research are needed, transmutation stones have this weird cap that people can get around by not opening their geodes, and now outfit slots aren't account bound, and every single change costs gold or a token! I'm glad that some people are happy with the system but I agree with everyone who is saying the costs are ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who has purchased:
Pariah's Pinnacle (unfurnished)

Lichal Grand Manor (unfurnished)

Grand Topal Hideaway (furnished)

That's over $300 in crowns, full price.

And I was considering purchasing at least one of the new homes that was previewed on PTS with Bones. And yes, I've purchased Crown Crates. Even those, in my opinion, were implemented much more fairly, because of the gems.

But I will not buy outfit slots, outfit tokens, or spend gold on this system. Because it is ridiculous that we would be hit with all of these different fees. Especially after the fact that many of us have been going out and trying to learn motifs and get our research done to prepare for these systems in anticipation of using them. It seemed like finally being a crafter was going to pay off. I even used some Crown Crate gems to get motifs because I knew this system was coming. Charging me to use those motifs is double-dipping, plain and simple.

I would have paid thousands of crowns for a system of unlimited usage, once purchased. THIS type of implementation I will not support. If outfit slots were per-character, but once purchased you could tweak them at no cost, I could maybe deal with that. But hitting us coming and going, without even trying to have it make sense in game as for the reason that we are paying gold... I don't care that much about how my characters look.

Honest feedback that hopefully will be considered. Clearly, I'll spend money on the game. Not everyone may agree with me, but from some of the posts I've seen, I'm not the only one who feels this way about the Outfit System costs and implementation.

Simply that. Voice of reason And as my voice of opposition to that system Ive unsubed. If nothing is going to change this will simply mean end of the game for me (no you can't have my stuff) and I won't even regret to much as this implementation of outfit system foretells only worse things in the future.

Bye Felicia!

There are a lot of spoiled entitled players in our game.

Here's a system at minimal gold cost gives every toon you have a costume with access to all of your player's knowledge of motifs. It can be dyed...including weapons. It can be changed for an affordable cost in game. So due to a need for instant gratification its not good enough and complain that additional slots would cost more. It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

Radinyn · February 2018

Guys, there were no outfit stations before, ZOS gave you more for free, and you start your hate and even un-sub like @Mayrael

In other games players would treat developers like gods for that, but not in ESO, in ESO you only get hate.

Morgul667 · February 2018

Radinyn wrote: »

Guys, there were no outfit stations before, ZOS gave you more for free, and you start your hate and even un-sub like @Mayrael

In other games players would treat developers like gods for that, but not in ESO, in ESO you only get hate.

Hell no

I would certainly not start or approve a game where I get 1 char outfit for free and anyother one costs 1500 crown

Radinyn · February 2018

Morgul667 wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Guys, there were no outfit stations before, ZOS gave you more for free, and you start your hate and even un-sub like @Mayrael

In other games players would treat developers like gods for that, but not in ESO, in ESO you only get hate.

Hell no

I would certainly not start or approve a game where I get 1 char outfit for free and anyother one costs 1500 crown

But you get it for free, you pay **NOTHING** for it, it's just a gift.

Morgul667 · February 2018

I pay subsription , in game gold and i need to pay ridiculous amount of irl cash if i want a second outfit for one char.

This is bad implementation of something that looked promising

This is not against ZOS as I would never approve of this whichever the game.

tunepunk · February 2018

Lol, if you want to spend 1500 crowns for another dress slot for your dress up doll, that's fine.

I don't like that the game is going way too superficial. Focus seems to be selling..... knick-knacks, crown crates, homes, furniture, etc etc.

How about they spent more time on some actual fun gameplay, quests, classes, skills, a more living and dynamic world, random events, combat improvements, balancing. There's so many ways to make the game better.... but ZOS focus all their efforts on superficial crap.

ESO has become a dress-up, doll game, with some fighting element to it, and some occasional content you can repeat over and over, until you can buy more knick-knacks.

*sigh*

logarifmik · February 2018

Radinyn wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Guys, there were no outfit stations before, ZOS gave you more for free, and you start your hate and even un-sub like @Mayrael

In other games players would treat developers like gods for that, but not in ESO, in ESO you only get hate.

Hell no

I would certainly not start or approve a game where I get 1 char outfit for free and anyother one costs 1500 crown

But you get it for free, you pay **NOTHING** for it, it's just a gift.

It's not a gift, it's more like a trial.

Izaki · February 2018

me_ming wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

People are never happy lmao. ZOS could have given you none for free. Now you get 1 for free on any character and still complain

Get over yourself Alcast. Not everyone in this game play as you. You said it yourself, we have different playstyles. Your playstyle and opinion is not the ONLY opinion of this game. I just lost all my respect of you. Pffft. Elitists.

This topic and the supposed "elitism" you're referring to, isn't connected in any logical way.

pod88kk · February 2018

That's ridiculous

Datthaw · February 2018

Leave it to zos to give us something nice for once, then completely ruin it with thier greed

Because of that I will NEVER buy an outfit

The_Protagonist · February 2018

Pay to show off jiggly pixels?

Hokiewa · February 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

Leave it to zos to give us something nice for once, then completely ruin it with thier greed

Because of that I will NEVER buy an outfit

But that's ok, because you got one for free...on every character

Datthaw · February 2018

Hokiewa wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Leave it to zos to give us something nice for once, then completely ruin it with thier greed

Because of that I will NEVER buy an outfit

But that's ok, because you got one for free...on every character

I mean that would he nice if I didn't have like 5 sets for pvp to run 3 different builds, and another 2 sets for pve dps. Not to mention all the monster sets I'm always swapping out to test or just for a change. Damn it zos..... always with the greed

hmsdragonfly · February 2018

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

You people honestly didn't expect Zenimax to charge cash for this or what?
The entire reason I can even think of why Zenimax would add a feature like this - is to make money out of. (Which os completely okay, they're a business after all). And it's just pure, wasted(in the sense that they add nothing to the gameplay) cosmetics.

I have no problem giving them money if the price is not ridiculous. I mean 1500 is fine as long as it's account wide. 1500 for each character is just bad marketing.

Radinyn · February 2018

Datthaw wrote: »

Hokiewa wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Leave it to zos to give us something nice for once, then completely ruin it with thier greed

Because of that I will NEVER buy an outfit

But that's ok, because you got one for free...on every character

I mean that would he nice if I didn't have like 5 sets for pvp to run 3 different builds, and another 2 sets for pve dps. Not to mention all the monster sets I'm always swapping out to test or just for a change. Damn it zos..... always with the greed

Outfits have nothing to do with sets, they are like costumes.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · February 2018

YamiKuruku wrote: »

Vostorn wrote: »

YamiKuruku wrote: »

i feel dumb because i didnt looked it up and bought the extra slot and now only one character got it haha
so sad... 1500 crowns down the drain )):

1500 crowns for a slot and then the insane gold costs are a real bummer

I would ask for a refund if I were you because there is no way to know it only works for one character.

not sure if the support would answer me tho
but maybe i should try it
but then the question is, if the outfit i created gets re-created or deleted? i dont wanna lose my gold that i put in it tbh x'D
and the first outfit i made was kinda ugly compared to the second slot

@YamiKuruku Try it. The worst they can do is say no, and then you're no worse off then you were.

If you don't get the gold back, the Daggerfall docks are easy to rob; you should be able to make up for any losses with relative ease.

DieAlteHexe · February 2018

I'm feeling lucky that I happen to find what I like in the costumes. I'm pretty laid back about spending money in this game. I'm a "dirty filthy casual whale".

I say "lucky" because I can avoid being really cheesed off about the pricing on this. It seems so extreme. I mean, I get that gold sinks are needed but this is pretty egregious.

For those for whom this is really important, I feel badly for you. I hope that they reconsider the pricing.

RobbieRocket · February 2018

Dracane wrote: »

You can freely edit your existing outfit slot over and over.
I said it once before, but you really only need that 1 default slot. Make an outfit that you like, wear it to death and edit it if it begins to bore you. I don't see any use for more outfit slots, unless you are very lazy.

Ok, you may not see it but I will show you it:

A large reason for having more than one slot for outfits as I understand it is based on the original and fundamental desire to edit the style of a piece of gear. A few people would like to have the gear sets they have, dyed as they have in the armor weight that they have, pretty much exactly as it is, except change that 1 or 2 annoying style pieces that look weird, funny, stick out or look ugly, etc.

So now, instead of being able to change gear styles (and then dye to desirable conclusion) which I think was the main "ask", to achieve the same via outfits is to have the need for potentially 1 outfit per gear-piece change.

I run 6-7 builds on my only character, I did not want outfits (I am pretty happy to show the real gear) but I would happily had the option (via styles learnt and master crafting) to swap a style on a piece. Effectively I can do this now, but must have an outfit slot for each load out. Of course, I will just change the ugliest single via outfits or even just leave it altogether, that's ok.

It is clearly a money grab thinly disguised as offering the masses what they desired.

MaleAmazon · February 2018

Just give it time. There will probably be a reduction in prices.

It is better for them, probably, to make things a bit more expensive at first, since it is easier to lower prices than raise them...

Just remember Oblivion horse armor.

And yeah.. you don´t have to get it! It is only prohibitively expensive for people who have it all in terms of motifs etc. Think of it as a luxury item; I don´t buy a bottle of wine for 3000 euros since I have no interest in that, and once you´ve drunk it it´s gone all the same. If you don´t think it´s worth it to get a ton of outfits maybe that´s just it - it isn´t worth it to get a ton of superficial stuff in an online computer game

Peace.

Elsonso · February 2018

Ihatenightblades wrote: »

I remember the days when we used to say "I WOULD PAY THOUSANDS OF CROWNS FOR TRANSMOG"

I don't think many people said that. I am sure a few did. Guess we know who ZOS was listening to!

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Diffused wrote: »

We pay Subs. Why cant Something in this game just be gold based.

SOME OF US pay subs. That's why many things cannot be gold based.

I think that MOST OF US pay subs, to elaborate on what you said.

I am pretty sure that this system would exist like this even if 95% of the players were paying for ESO Plus. They didn't do this just because of the people who are not buying ESO Plus, but also because the people who are buying ESO Plus that will pay more to use it. At this point, I have to assume that everything they monetize in this game is designed to include the idea of getting ESO Plus members, the majority of the active game population, to pay extra for it.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@Recremen @lordrichter How about Gamers Opposed to Large Disbursements - the GOLD Standard for short?

GOLD Standard - Oppose unreasonable Crown costs!

Or maybe

GOLD Standard - Take the macro out of microtransactions!

Thoughts?

After sleeping on it, I am planning to follow @Mayrael and unsub when my ESO Plus renewal comes up. The pull of the Crafting Bag is strong, but I can live without it.

Flynch · February 2018

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Just give it time. There will probably be a reduction in prices.

It is better for them, probably, to make things a bit more expensive at first, since it is easier to lower prices than raise them...

Just remember Oblivion horse armor.

And yeah.. you don´t have to get it! It is only prohibitively expensive for people who have it all in terms of motifs etc. Think of it as a luxury item; I don´t buy a bottle of wine for 3000 euros since I have no interest in that, and once you´ve drunk it it´s gone all the same. If you don´t think it´s worth it to get a ton of outfits maybe that´s just it - it isn´t worth it to get a ton of superficial stuff in an online computer game

Peace.

Presumably though, they have the cost for the 2nd+ outfits in crowns rather than gold, because they know people will purchase them, and still kept the cost high. So perhaps that's why it looks a bit shady.

Datthaw · February 2018

Radinyn wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Hokiewa wrote: »

Datthaw wrote: »

Leave it to zos to give us something nice for once, then completely ruin it with thier greed

Because of that I will NEVER buy an outfit

But that's ok, because you got one for free...on every character

I mean that would he nice if I didn't have like 5 sets for pvp to run 3 different builds, and another 2 sets for pve dps. Not to mention all the monster sets I'm always swapping out to test or just for a change. Damn it zos..... always with the greed

Outfits have nothing to do with sets, they are like costumes.

Ahhhh ok, I just saw 1500 crowns are was like funk dis

MornaBaine · February 2018

I cancelled 2 of my 3 subs. I'm just reallllly tired of the horked way ZOS implements things and manages to make anything that might actually be fun in this game into an awful grind/gold sink/real money cash grab. Between the storage boxes that will literally delete your stored items that they KNEW was happening on PTS and still allowed to go live, to the IC XP debacle, to this horrible "outfitting" system, I can tell you this game is going to be getting a lot less money from me than before and I've been an ardent supporter of this game since pre-launch.

hmsdragonfly · February 2018

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

I remember when the dye system first came out. I was really surprised at how many people were super critical of a truly free system that was implemented in the game. There were complaints that colors were different on different types of fabric, or that armor needed to be re-designed to work better with the dye channels, etc.

I played around with it and thought... "Wow, what a well-designed system. People are complaining about nothing. I really appreciate that this was implemented as core functionality so many years later. ZOS really listens." And the fact that ESO Plus subscribers could dye outfits seemed like the right kind of bonus. Subscribe or get dye stamps.

And then I went out and bought costumes, mounts, and more from the Crown Store, feeling good about the fact that my purchases would go towards the development of content good for the future of the game.

I thought the same thing when the Justice System was introduced, and when One Tamriel gave us things like dueling.

I even thought the same thing about the Housing system, even though that system clearly was designed as a feeder for income. It was done well and in such a way where many things could be obtained with gold, and "saving up" to buy a house makes sense. Once purchased, you can use your home over and over again... no entry fee for homes. No bizarre "edit" fee any time you place furniture in them. The cost comes with obtaining the homes and furniture, which was logical and intuitive.

I miss those days.

Both the Transmutation and Outfit Systems seem to lack this basic idea, which is to make the core system available to all in a way that is integrated well into the rest of the game, and putting the cost sinks into well designed "extras." Neither system ties into crafting even though motif knowledge and trait research are needed, transmutation stones have this weird cap that people can get around by not opening their geodes, and now outfit slots aren't account bound, and every single change costs gold or a token! I'm glad that some people are happy with the system but I agree with everyone who is saying the costs are ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who has purchased:
Pariah's Pinnacle (unfurnished)

Lichal Grand Manor (unfurnished)

Grand Topal Hideaway (furnished)

That's over $300 in crowns, full price.

And I was considering purchasing at least one of the new homes that was previewed on PTS with Bones. And yes, I've purchased Crown Crates. Even those, in my opinion, were implemented much more fairly, because of the gems.

But I will not buy outfit slots, outfit tokens, or spend gold on this system. Because it is ridiculous that we would be hit with all of these different fees. Especially after the fact that many of us have been going out and trying to learn motifs and get our research done to prepare for these systems in anticipation of using them. It seemed like finally being a crafter was going to pay off. I even used some Crown Crate gems to get motifs because I knew this system was coming. Charging me to use those motifs is double-dipping, plain and simple.

I would have paid thousands of crowns for a system of unlimited usage, once purchased. THIS type of implementation I will not support. If outfit slots were per-character, but once purchased you could tweak them at no cost, I could maybe deal with that. But hitting us coming and going, without even trying to have it make sense in game as for the reason that we are paying gold... I don't care that much about how my characters look.

Honest feedback that hopefully will be considered. Clearly, I'll spend money on the game. Not everyone may agree with me, but from some of the posts I've seen, I'm not the only one who feels this way about the Outfit System costs and implementation.

Simply that. Voice of reason And as my voice of opposition to that system Ive unsubed. If nothing is going to change this will simply mean end of the game for me (no you can't have my stuff) and I won't even regret to much as this implementation of outfit system foretells only worse things in the future.

Bye Felicia!

There are a lot of spoiled entitled players in our game.

Here's a system at minimal gold cost gives every toon you have a costume with access to all of your player's knowledge of motifs. It can be dyed...including weapons. It can be changed for an affordable cost in game. So due to a need for instant gratification its not good enough and complain that additional slots would cost more. It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

lol this is not charity, we are customers paying for a service, so when the price of the service is suddenly ridiculous, we, customers, have every right on earth to provide feedbacks on how it is ridiculous for us.
As the company providing the service, ZOS can either appreciate our feedbacks and modify the service accordingly, or ignore the customers and do whatever the hell they want, this is their choice and the consequences of their actions will be on them.

Mayrael · February 2018

Radinyn wrote: »

Guys, there were no outfit stations before, ZOS gave you more for free, and you start your hate and even un-sub like @Mayrael

In other games players would treat developers like gods for that, but not in ESO, in ESO you only get hate.

LOL

You don't get the wider picture. I have played this game for almost four years without "outfits". Couldn't care less about them, its about practices that ZOS uses on us. They implement very anticipated system but they give just a scraps of it and force you to pay insane amounts of gold for it (insane for new, returning, casuals, many pvpers, folks that like to change their builds and so on). Many of those players will spent their money for this system. Ok thats their decision. But get ready for new updates that will be made in similar way just to became "NEW STANDARD" of introducing updates. Trust me I had seen things like that in the past.

logarifmik · February 2018

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Bye Felicia!

There are a lot of spoiled entitled players in our game.

Here's a system at minimal gold cost gives every toon you have a costume with access to all of your player's knowledge of motifs. It can be dyed...including weapons. It can be changed for an affordable cost in game. So due to a need for instant gratification its not good enough and complain that additional slots would cost more. It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

lol this is not charity, we are customers paying for a service, so when the price of the service is suddenly ridiculous, we, customers, have every right on earth to provide feedbacks on how it is ridiculous for us.
As the company providing the service, ZOS can either appreciate our feedbacks and modify the service accordingly, or ignore the customers and do whatever the hell they want, this is their choice and the consequences of their actions will be on them.

Just ignore those cultists blindly praying for ZO$. There are a lot of absurdly tolerant players in our game.

Radinyn · February 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Guys, there were no outfit stations before, ZOS gave you more for free, and you start your hate and even un-sub like @Mayrael

In other games players would treat developers like gods for that, but not in ESO, in ESO you only get hate.

LOL You don't get the wider picture. I have played this game for almost four years without "outfits". Couldn't care less about them, its about practices that ZOS uses on us. They implement very anticipated system but they give just a scraps of it and force you to pay insane amounts of gold for it (insane for new, returning, casuals, many pvpers, folks that like to change their builds and so on). Many of those players will spent their money for this system. Ok thats their decision. But get ready for new updates that will be made in similar way just to became "NEW STANDARD" of introducing updates. Trust me I had seen things like that in the past.

And I'm playing this game since launch too, and think that it's ok. Those are cosmetics, after all.

frausty · February 2018

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

I understand it is overpriced and it would be nicer to have it for free or cheaper but as we didn't have it before, a little bit has been given for free as part of the patch, and for most of us it won't affect the day to day gameplay, is it really worth this amount of outpouring?

I know I'm gonna get flamed here but I am genuinely flummoxed by the response

Radinyn · February 2018

frausty wrote: »

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

I understand it is overpriced and it would be nicer to have it for free or cheaper but as we didn't have it before, a little bit has been given for free as part of the patch, and for most of us it won't affect the day to day gameplay, is it really worth this amount of outpouring?

I know I'm gonna get flamed here but I am genuinely flummoxed by the response

I feel the same.