1500 crowns per outfit slot (1 slot) just under $1200 for every slot

Elsonso · February 2018

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

As the company providing the service, ZOS can either appreciate our feedbacks and modify the service accordingly, or ignore the customers and do whatever the hell they want, this is their choice and the consequences of their actions will be on them.

I have no power to change what they do to monetize the game. I do have power to change what I do in monetary support of the game. Started that in 2017 by scaling back my ESO spending due to exclusives in Crown Crates. This year, it is time to scale back by dropping ESO Plus, and probably not buying Chapter 2 until it is deeply discounted.

Mannix1958 · February 2018

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

I remember when the dye system first came out. I was really surprised at how many people were super critical of a truly free system that was implemented in the game. There were complaints that colors were different on different types of fabric, or that armor needed to be re-designed to work better with the dye channels, etc.

I played around with it and thought... "Wow, what a well-designed system. People are complaining about nothing. I really appreciate that this was implemented as core functionality so many years later. ZOS really listens." And the fact that ESO Plus subscribers could dye outfits seemed like the right kind of bonus. Subscribe or get dye stamps.

And then I went out and bought costumes, mounts, and more from the Crown Store, feeling good about the fact that my purchases would go towards the development of content good for the future of the game.

I thought the same thing when the Justice System was introduced, and when One Tamriel gave us things like dueling.

I even thought the same thing about the Housing system, even though that system clearly was designed as a feeder for income. It was done well and in such a way where many things could be obtained with gold, and "saving up" to buy a house makes sense. Once purchased, you can use your home over and over again... no entry fee for homes. No bizarre "edit" fee any time you place furniture in them. The cost comes with obtaining the homes and furniture, which was logical and intuitive.

I miss those days.

Both the Transmutation and Outfit Systems seem to lack this basic idea, which is to make the core system available to all in a way that is integrated well into the rest of the game, and putting the cost sinks into well designed "extras." Neither system ties into crafting even though motif knowledge and trait research are needed, transmutation stones have this weird cap that people can get around by not opening their geodes, and now outfit slots aren't account bound, and every single change costs gold or a token! I'm glad that some people are happy with the system but I agree with everyone who is saying the costs are ridiculous. And this is coming from someone who has purchased:
Pariah's Pinnacle (unfurnished)

Lichal Grand Manor (unfurnished)

Grand Topal Hideaway (furnished)

That's over $300 in crowns, full price.

And I was considering purchasing at least one of the new homes that was previewed on PTS with Bones. And yes, I've purchased Crown Crates. Even those, in my opinion, were implemented much more fairly, because of the gems.

But I will not buy outfit slots, outfit tokens, or spend gold on this system. Because it is ridiculous that we would be hit with all of these different fees. Especially after the fact that many of us have been going out and trying to learn motifs and get our research done to prepare for these systems in anticipation of using them. It seemed like finally being a crafter was going to pay off. I even used some Crown Crate gems to get motifs because I knew this system was coming. Charging me to use those motifs is double-dipping, plain and simple.

I would have paid thousands of crowns for a system of unlimited usage, once purchased. THIS type of implementation I will not support. If outfit slots were per-character, but once purchased you could tweak them at no cost, I could maybe deal with that. But hitting us coming and going, without even trying to have it make sense in game as for the reason that we are paying gold... I don't care that much about how my characters look.

Honest feedback that hopefully will be considered. Clearly, I'll spend money on the game. Not everyone may agree with me, but from some of the posts I've seen, I'm not the only one who feels this way about the Outfit System costs and implementation.

Simply that. Voice of reason And as my voice of opposition to that system Ive unsubed. If nothing is going to change this will simply mean end of the game for me (no you can't have my stuff) and I won't even regret to much as this implementation of outfit system foretells only worse things in the future.

Bye Felicia!

There are a lot of spoiled entitled players in our game.

Here's a system at minimal gold cost gives every toon you have a costume with access to all of your player's knowledge of motifs. It can be dyed...including weapons. It can be changed for an affordable cost in game. So due to a need for instant gratification its not good enough and complain that additional slots would cost more. It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

lol this is not charity, we are customers paying for a service, so when the price of the service is suddenly ridiculous, we, customers, have every right on earth to provide feedbacks on how it is ridiculous for us.
As the company providing the service, ZOS can either appreciate our feedbacks and modify the service accordingly, or ignore the customers and do whatever the hell they want, this is their choice and the consequences of their actions will be on them.

Lol ...[Snip] I never stated in it was charity nor did I say that people did not have a right to feedback. I just happen to be satisfied with what I get for what I pay. I am stating the other side of the coin.
[Edit for bashing]

Bbsample197 · February 2018

why did they charged it 1500 crowns?! the same cost as a character slot, really? an outfit slot vs a character slot?sometimes i dont get ZoS, so in their perspective an outfit slot cost as much a whole character slot... what a horrible idea.. couldnt they make it 1000 crowns or something?

tunepunk · February 2018

Mayrael wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Guys, there were no outfit stations before, ZOS gave you more for free, and you start your hate and even un-sub like @Mayrael

In other games players would treat developers like gods for that, but not in ESO, in ESO you only get hate.

LOL You don't get the wider picture. I have played this game for almost four years without "outfits". Couldn't care less about them, its about practices that ZOS uses on us. They implement very anticipated system but they give just a scraps of it and force you to pay insane amounts of gold for it (insane for new, returning, casuals, many pvpers, folks that like to change their builds and so on). Many of those players will spent their money for this system. Ok thats their decision. But get ready for new updates that will be made in similar way just to became "NEW STANDARD" of introducing updates. Trust me I had seen things like that in the past.

I don't have any problem with pricing, as it's not something very interesting for me. People who like their dress-up-dolls might be fine with the price. I just don't get why they waste so much time on superficial things when the game itself could use more flavor other than character styling, home styling. I just feel like effort is made to turn ESO in to a sims game, rather than fun gameplay, combat, quests, encounters, exploration, which should be the core of MMO's, not wearing matching purple pants and shoes.

reiverx · February 2018

I think we'll start to see more and more character-only purchases. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

MajesticHaruki · February 2018

Good job ZOS. Keep it up. Eventually you will beat EA's Battlefront II.

Elsonso · February 2018

Bbsample197 wrote: »

why did they charged it 1500 crowns?! the same cost as a character slot, really? an outfit slot vs a character slot?sometimes i dont get ZoS, so in their perspective an outfit slot cost as much a whole character slot... what a horrible idea.. couldnt they make it 1000 crowns or something?

Each additional slot should should be account wide. Buy an Outfit Slot for 1500 Crowns and it applies to all 15 characters. Alternately, it should be reduced from 1500 Crowns per slot to 100 Crowns per slot, still tied to the character that buys it.

It costs 10,500 Crowns to get the full number of Character Slots that an account can have. It should not cost 19 times that to get the full number of Outfit Slots for those characters. That is absurd.

OlafdieWaldfee · February 2018

lordrichter wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

As the company providing the service, ZOS can either appreciate our feedbacks and modify the service accordingly, or ignore the customers and do whatever the hell they want, this is their choice and the consequences of their actions will be on them.

I have no power to change what they do to monetize the game. I do have power to change what I do in monetary support of the game. Started that in 2017 by scaling back my ESO spending due to exclusives in Crown Crates. This year, it is time to scale back by dropping ESO Plus, and probably not buying Chapter 2 until it is deeply discounted.

This.
I already have reduced my spending at the crown store due to strange, buggy things to ridiculous prices (next to undyeable costumes, distorting costumes, ugly mounts ...), this 1500-crowns-nonsense was the last straw. All my chars are beyond 50, I'm not interested in housing - so I don't need the crafting bag any longer and will cancel my sub.
I know ZoS will not care but I will feel better and maybe invest in some other MMO.

I'll still play ESO with my friends - but feel no urge to support it any longer.

BloodWolfe · February 2018

ZOS, you're going the path of EA and I haven't bought an EA game in at least a decade and you're very much hitting that point pushing me (and others) away for good! I have already cancelled my ESO+ subscription and will not be buying any crown packs again. If I decide to keep playing I am going to stay as a strictly free player and not give you another dime. Your shady and greedy tactics have hit a new low and it's like you want to aim to be more hated than EA.

Suddenly, WoW is looking kind of tempting again but it's WoW so I wouldn't go back lol. Looks like my gaming budget will see me buying Monster Hunter World on my PS4 in the near future instead of spending money here on your game. Good going ZOS, looking at the few who blindly spend like idiots for the short-term profit instead of looking at larger long term profits by pricing more reasonably and getting overall more sales is a stupid move.

Stop being so near-sighted because that will back fire at some point. Look at this thread and the outrage just over outfit slots and prices (also look at what has happened thanks to EA's greed a few months back), and it gets worse every time price something new absurdly or add mounts to crates that can't be bought with gems, etc.... so keep pushing your customers away, plenty of other companies who will be happy to take me/our money instead! I understand you need to make money but to flat out nickel and dime us to h*ll is not going to work in the long run.

Kolzki · February 2018

Meh. If they were account wide I would have happily bought an extra outfit slot or two. They aren’t account wide though so I won’t.

heaven13 · February 2018

Bbsample197 wrote: »

why did they charged it 1500 crowns?! the same cost as a character slot, really? an outfit slot vs a character slot?sometimes i dont get ZoS, so in their perspective an outfit slot cost as much a whole character slot... what a horrible idea.. couldnt they make it 1000 crowns or something?

This right here is the problem with the entire crown store, in my opinion. There is no consistency between price points for similar things. Some mounts are 900 crowns, some mounts have been 4500 with various points in between. Some costumes are 500, some are 2000 (and broken).

You can buy an entirely new character slot to make whoever you want and pick whatever class you want and play the entire game with them for 1500 crowns. Or you can take that same 1500 crowns and buy a single outfit slot for a single character. OR you can spend 1500 crowns and permanently unlock the new dungeon DLC.

elijafire · February 2018

Wing wrote: »

so over 13k crowns for all 9

or $100 at the most efficient crown bundle

fyi it was like 350 per slot on the test server

or more expensive then over 2 chapters (so do you want 2 eso chapters or 9 cosmetic slots?)

seems a little bit insane.

btw slots are per character as confirmed in this thread so its actually $100 PER CHARACTER

so 12 characters total x 13,500 crowns per character plus 1500 crowns for the 4 character slots above base 8 in the first place (6k crowns total) is a grand total of. . .

one hundred and sixty eight thousand crowns 168,000

at the most efficient crown bundle (21,000 crowns for $149.99) that's just under $1200 before tax

Chaching!

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Mannix1958 wrote: »

It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

The better suited analogy would be " It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford... but you have only ONE parking space in the entire universe. Any other place where you park will cost you 100$ a minute."
Which means that you can only drive in circles and never use the car for what it's meant to be : a mean of transportation from point A to point B.

FireCowCommando · February 2018

Its so great that ZoS spent all this time and thought into developing the coding and monetization for this feature instead of looking into game/server performance issues... /s

Ydrisselle · February 2018

FireCowCommando wrote: »

Its so great that ZoS spent all this time and thought into developing the coding and monetization for this feature instead of looking into game/server performance issues... /s

The people who made the outfit system has nothing to do with server performance. I'm sure they don't even know what to do with that.

Mannix1958 · February 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mannix1958 wrote: »

It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

The better suited analogy would be " It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford... but you have only ONE parking space in the entire universe. Any other place where you park will cost you 100$ a minute."
Which means that you can only drive in circles and never use the car for what it's meant to be : a mean of transportation from point A to point B.

That analogy is flawed in so many ways. I can drive any where I want in it....not only that for a small fee I can customize it or change it entirely. What you want is a fleet of cars at no cost.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Mannix1958 wrote: »

That analogy is flawed in so many ways. I can drive any where I want in it....not only that for a small fee I can customize it or change it entirely. What you want is a fleet of cars at no cost.

Yeah you can drive. Just not park.
It's like the printers. Back in the days you'd pay 200$ for a printer and 10$ for an ink refill. Now you pay 10$ for a printer and 200$ for a cartridge. Sure, you print whatever you want with it... just how long ?

Kendaric · February 2018

frausty wrote: »

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

I understand it is overpriced and it would be nicer to have it for free or cheaper but as we didn't have it before, a little bit has been given for free as part of the patch, and for most of us it won't affect the day to day gameplay, is it really worth this amount of outpouring?

I know I'm gonna get flamed here but I am genuinely flummoxed by the response

For some of us it affects our enjoyment of the game.

I don't do dungeons or PvP, I play ESO to RP and that includes getting my characters to look as close to how I envision them to look. For me, it's what gives me a sense of accomplishment.
So, yes, I think it's worth the "amount of outpouring".

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

frausty wrote: »

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

I understand it is overpriced and it would be nicer to have it for free or cheaper but as we didn't have it before, a little bit has been given for free as part of the patch, and for most of us it won't affect the day to day gameplay, is it really worth this amount of outpouring?

I know I'm gonna get flamed here but I am genuinely flummoxed by the response

One of the issue is that the outfit feature is something that's been required for half an eternity, and it's even more or less assumed that it was "delayed" but should have been part of the base game from the start.
Knowing that ZOS depends on crown store income to a great extent, we were not surprised to hear that there would be some costs involved.
But noone expected it to be such a highly priced, "premium" feature. And ZOS hid it from us very cleverly until yesterday.
The discrepancy between expectations and results is part of the big disappointment and anger.

Esha76 · February 2018

Mannix1958 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mannix1958 wrote: »

It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

The better suited analogy would be " It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford... but you have only ONE parking space in the entire universe. Any other place where you park will cost you 100$ a minute."
Which means that you can only drive in circles and never use the car for what it's meant to be : a mean of transportation from point A to point B.

That analogy is flawed in so many ways. I can drive any where I want in it....not only that for a small fee I can customize it or change it entirely. What you want is a fleet of cars at no cost.

Can you please quote the users in this thread who stated they expected extra character slots "at no cost."?

Elsonso · February 2018

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Mannix1958 wrote: »

It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford and the reply is ..."Wut...how come I don't get 3?"

The better suited analogy would be " It's as if someone gave one access to a car of their dreams that they could design & afford... but you have only ONE parking space in the entire universe. Any other place where you park will cost you 100$ a minute."
Which means that you can only drive in circles and never use the car for what it's meant to be : a mean of transportation from point A to point B.

I like this analogy, with two changes.

You can buy one parking spot for $100 to $30000, but only one. You can park as long as you want, as many times as you want. You can change to a new parking spot at any time, by buying a new spot for $100-$30000.

If you want a second parking spot, that costs as much as a new car, plus the $100-$30000 when you decide where you want it to be.

Wrathmane · February 2018

So don't buy them..... if enough people don't buy them then they will lower the price.....thats the way economics works... its supply and demand..... I for one will not buy them.

frausty · February 2018

Kendaric wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

I understand it is overpriced and it would be nicer to have it for free or cheaper but as we didn't have it before, a little bit has been given for free as part of the patch, and for most of us it won't affect the day to day gameplay, is it really worth this amount of outpouring?

I know I'm gonna get flamed here but I am genuinely flummoxed by the response

For some of us it affects our enjoyment of the game.

I don't do dungeons or PvP, I play ESO to RP and that includes getting my characters to look as close to how I envision them to look. For me, it's what gives me a sense of accomplishment.
So, yes, I think it's worth the "amount of outpouring".

I get that, I really do. However, you didn't have this feature before yesterday and were still presumably able to RP. So what I don't understand is how makes a difference from before you had the feature. Surely, before you had it you enjoyed the game so what has changed apart from you now get one outfit slot for free?

I am not knocking you or Role Players or any other facet of the game, I just want to understand why you are so upset about it bearing in mind it is, in principle, the same game as on Sunday

It's more a study of human reaction than anything specific to ESO

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

Wrathmane wrote: »

So don't buy them..... if enough people don't buy them then they will lower the price.....thats the way economics works... its supply and demand..... I for one will not buy them.

You're right...
I'll buy them though. But with subscription crowns only. It will take the time it takes, but ZOS will not get an extra cent from me for the sake of outfit slots.
I mean, they did not get an extra cent from me outside sub before either... ;-)

Wrathmane · February 2018

Kendaric wrote: »

For some of us it affects our enjoyment of the game.

I don't do dungeons or PvP, I play ESO to RP and that includes getting my characters to look as close to how I envision them to look. For me, it's what gives me a sense of accomplishment.
So, yes, I think it's worth the "amount of outpouring".

Then spend the money..... its available... they priced it at this price point because they believe the majority of players will see the value at this price point and spend the money to access it...... if the majority of the player base refuse to spend this kind of money then ZoS will be forced to lower the price point... its simple supply and demand economics.

Raudgrani · February 2018

This is just greed backfiring. I mean, if these slots were like 300-500 crowns, I would maybe have bought one or even a couple at once. But 1500 crowns?
That's just too much, and I tend to get pretty averse to things like these and completely ignore it. So, had the cost been like 1/3 of that, over time I would probably have spent like 1500 or even way more than that. But I'm simply not spending money for 1500 crowns to alter the appearance in that way. Not a chance.

anitajoneb17_ESO · February 2018

frausty wrote: »

I am not knocking you or Role Players or any other facet of the game, I just want to understand why you are so upset about it bearing in mind it is, in principle, the same game as on Sunday

It's more a study of human reaction than anything specific to ESO

I think the point you don't get is that we were NOT happy until Sunday. We've never been happy with the customization and cosmetics aspects of ESO. Dyes were a great thing - then it became linked to subs and crowns. Costumes came - 90% of them linked to extra money. Beauty parlor came, linked to even more extra moneyArmour and weapons remained mostly untouched by the crown store, in our eyes it was "part of the game", not "part of the crown store". And we were definitely NOT happy with the lack of customization option, being forced to wear ugly monster shoulders to play efficiently, etc...
We (sort of) genuinely believed that the outfit system would come as an addition, a long awaited addition TO THE GAME, not TO THE CROWN STORE.
So we were not happy, we're still not happy, and on top of that we're frustrated. And we feel sort of cheated because in our eyes, this had to come as a game feature, not a crown store feature.

By the way the frontier is blurring. At the beginning nothing in the game would ever lead you to the crown store unless you clicked on its icon. Now there are crown store links in the furnishing interface, in the outfit interface... what's next ?

Kendaric · February 2018

frausty wrote: »

I get that, I really do. However, you didn't have this feature before yesterday and were still presumably able to RP. So what I don't understand is how makes a difference from before you had the feature. Surely, before you had it you enjoyed the game so what has changed apart from you now get one outfit slot for free?

I am not knocking you or Role Players or any other facet of the game, I just want to understand why you are so upset about it bearing in mind it is, in principle, the same game as on Sunday

It's more a study of human reaction than anything specific to ESO

Yes, we could RP prior to the outfit system, but...

a) the outfit system gives us greater control over our looks than costumes do, thereby allowing me to get closer to how a character is meant to look.

b) the outfit system, much like costumes, is aimed at least in part to appeal to RPers.

And I'm not really upset but rather disappointed. It's a great system, but the fact that you've got to pay 1500 crowns for a single slot per character kills it for me. That's the same cost as an extra character slot and I don't think that's reasonable.

Esha76 · February 2018

frausty wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

frausty wrote: »

Why are people so upset by something that no-one forces you to spend money on? Am I missing something here?

I understand it is overpriced and it would be nicer to have it for free or cheaper but as we didn't have it before, a little bit has been given for free as part of the patch, and for most of us it won't affect the day to day gameplay, is it really worth this amount of outpouring?

I know I'm gonna get flamed here but I am genuinely flummoxed by the response

For some of us it affects our enjoyment of the game.

I don't do dungeons or PvP, I play ESO to RP and that includes getting my characters to look as close to how I envision them to look. For me, it's what gives me a sense of accomplishment.
So, yes, I think it's worth the "amount of outpouring".

I get that, I really do. However, you didn't have this feature before yesterday and were still presumably able to RP. So what I don't understand is how makes a difference from before you had the feature. Surely, before you had it you enjoyed the game so what has changed apart from you now get one outfit slot for free?

I am not knocking you or Role Players or any other facet of the game, I just want to understand why you are so upset about it bearing in mind it is, in principle, the same game as on Sunday

It's more a study of human reaction than anything specific to ESO

Though you have already been given a perfectly reasonable and detailed explanation as to why people are upset, I will provide additional details.

I have been playing this game since early beta. I have eagerly awaited some sort of transmog/outfitting system since the start. I had spent a great deal of time, gold, and even cash, on acquiring motifs. I have 14 characters. I was looking forward to buying several outfit slots, on several characters, to utilize all the motifs I have put so much time and effort into learning. I like variety on my characters’ appearances and it’s a huge important part of my game experience. This part is not up for debate or criticism.

This was announced by ZOS, hyped, and many of us were very excited and looking forward to the system finally arriving. And when it does, it’s priced way beyond a fair and reasonable expectation. I will say this again, as others have, to give you a comparison: Each additional outfit slot costs as much as an entire new character slot.

For me, and many others, no… it’s not the same game as it was on Sunday. We were looking forward to a very exciting system we have wanted for a very very long time. It turned out to be a huge disappointment due to inflated pricing. And personally, it has left me feeling so disdainful I cancelled my Plus membership and will be focusing on other games, unless ZOS changes their position on this.

I’m also going to add, no one should have to defend their reason for why they play a game. This forum is the primary method to communicate our thoughts of the current state of the game to ZOS. So that’s why you have 13+ pages of outpouring.

NewBlacksmurf · February 2018

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

duendology wrote: »

I am not surprised AT ALL. It's exactly what I estimated.

I am surprised that some of you are surprised. Look how much costs a stupid name change. ugh

Name change i can kinda understand. I'd also understand if they charged an insane amount for a complete account name change a la Microsoft as it stops people from trolling and then hiding every couple or so days.

This, though ...

Thing is....Xbox only charges $9 for an account change whereas they are charging $9-$15 for a character change.

Waaaay our of whack and I do understand “other games” charge....blah....but often, those other charges are also out of whack.