If you aren't even Champion 400...

Dapper Dinosaur

Don't queue into Veteran Ruins of Mazzatun.

Signed, Just-Wants-Sap-Skin

Taylor_MB

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

ArchMikem

Basically don't queue into any Vet phase 2 or DLC Dungeon.

Unless you're a Healer and your group can carry you, then go nuts.

OutLaw_Nynx

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

I don’t have the time to carry someone.

Dapper Dinosaur

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

Yeah, my healer will carry a 169 DPS and 342 tank. In Vet Mazzatun.

I'm willing to bet those two didn't even know the dungeon mechanics.

Taylor_MB

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

I don’t have the time to carry someone.

Then don't PuG a DLC dungeon.

Dapper Dinosaur

Taylor_MB wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

I don’t have the time to carry someone.

Then don't PuG a DLC dungeon.

Some of us play at such a late hour that the population is 1/20th what it is at primetime. We have no other choice.

Ratzkifal

Don't queue for vet dungeons if you don't know what you're doing.
You are making it sound like every 400+ player has decent dps/ an understanding of tanking with the right restistances/ enough heals

Ch4mpTW

This thread now has me thinking about those people one seen with VMoL and VHoF skins, while not being anywhere near the CP cap. Or the people I see with the HotR skin. It’s all so very interesting, and incredibly odd when you stumble across a CP300-400ish Flawless Conqueror.

Dapper Dinosaur

Just tried again after my timer let me queue again.

270 tank and 250 DPS. Come on folks.

Morgul667

CP is no clear indication of players level

Dapper Dinosaur

Morgul667 wrote: »

CP is no clear indication of players level

Experience isn't the only point. Lower CPs have significantly reduced stats across the board and not as many good champion milestone passives.

When you're queueing for some of the hardest content in the game, you'd better be at least champion 400 if you're going to tank and really no lower than 500 as a DPS. Healers can get away with a lot lower, but only if they're proficient at not getting damaged.

monktoasty

Seriously though...no excuses...if you pug you cant complain. How you gonna randomly get the perfect team? Keep dreaming

Dapper Dinosaur

monktoasty wrote: »

Seriously though...no excuses...if you pug you cant complain. How you gonna randomly get the perfect team? Keep dreaming

I don't need a perfect team, I just need one that fits the BARE MINIMUM of stats that could in theory handle the dungeon. Do these people actually not understand what they queued for? Do they actually expect to make it through with less than 690 champion points between two people, one of them being the DPS?

Taylor_MB

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

I don’t have the time to carry someone.

Then don't PuG a DLC dungeon.

Some of us play at such a late hour that the population is 1/20th what it is at primetime. We have no other choice.

Then learn to carry.

Stridig

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

CP is no clear indication of players level

Experience isn't the only point. Lower CPs have significantly reduced stats across the board and not as many good champion milestone passives.

When you're queueing for some of the hardest content in the game, you'd better be at least champion 400 if you're going to tank and really no lower than 500 as a DPS. Healers can get away with a lot lower, but only if they're proficient at not getting damaged.

I wouldn't say the stats are SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. Unless you think the difference between 13% and 14% is significant, for example.

Kagetenchu

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

CP is no clear indication of players level

Experience isn't the only point. Lower CPs have significantly reduced stats across the board and not as many good champion milestone passives.

When you're queueing for some of the hardest content in the game, you'd better be at least champion 400 if you're going to tank and really no lower than 500 as a DPS. Healers can get away with a lot lower, but only if they're proficient at not getting damaged.

Depends on role. Dps yeah, I want close to cap but I have a Guildie who has tanked vet trials and done both of the recent HotR dungeons missing only 2 achievements so far and he was only cp 350 at the time. Again cp doesn't equate to experience people rarely only queue for a specific vet dungeoun unless looking for gear or undaunted dailiy

tourerttrwb17_ESO

I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

Dapper Dinosaur

Stridig wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

CP is no clear indication of players level

Experience isn't the only point. Lower CPs have significantly reduced stats across the board and not as many good champion milestone passives.

When you're queueing for some of the hardest content in the game, you'd better be at least champion 400 if you're going to tank and really no lower than 500 as a DPS. Healers can get away with a lot lower, but only if they're proficient at not getting damaged.

I wouldn't say the stats are SIGNIFICANTLY reduced. Unless you think the difference between 13% and 14% is significant, for example.

Milestone passives mostly. It's the same thing as veteran trials. I can't see any group ever allowing anyone below champion 500, and that's when that player is only 1/12th of the team. In these dungeons, that one player is 1/4th of the team. When you have TWO players below level 300, you can immediately tell that you are not going to clear the dungeon no matter how much coaching you try to do, because the dungeon mechanics will utterly destroy you all before you have any hope of whittling the bosses down.

Dapper Dinosaur

tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

Stridig

We will just have to respectfully disagree. People can que for whatever they want. If it's an issue then join a guild. All content can be done when the group understands the mechanics.

Dapper Dinosaur

Stridig wrote: »

We will just have to respectfully disagree. People can que for whatever they want. If it's an issue then join a guild. All content can be done when the group understands the mechanics.

By your logic, a team of half dps being below champion 300 can clear veteran aetherian archive, where the boss literally starts a DPS-race timer at a certain hp milestone that is by no means easy for even a good group to hit.

Skinzz

75% of the pug groups I join with players below 350cp don't know the mechanics.

ThePrinceOfBargains

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

If you can't carry a CP399...

you might be the problem.

I don’t have the time to carry someone.

Then don't PuG a DLC dungeon.

Some of us play at such a late hour that the population is 1/20th what it is at primetime. We have no other choice.

If you don’t have time to carry, you don’t have time to PUG.

Asardes

All content in this game is doable at CP300+ if you know the mechanics and build right. Knew people who cleared vMoL HM at less than CP400.

starkerealm

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

monktoasty wrote: »

Seriously though...no excuses...if you pug you cant complain. How you gonna randomly get the perfect team? Keep dreaming

I don't need a perfect team, I just need one that fits the BARE MINIMUM of stats that could in theory handle the dungeon. Do these people actually not understand what they queued for? Do they actually expect to make it through with less than 690 champion points between two people, one of them being the DPS?

Okay, so you want them to be at least 160... gotcha. Oh... wait... no, you want players who have spent enough time in the game that you're hoping they can carry you. Right.

Tasear

Now Inviting to Moonlight Travelers for pledges, random normals on PC NA. Why pug when you can be with us!

Flameheart

Actually CPs alone say not that much about skill and efficiency of a player. While I have no issues with lower CP (200-300) ranges when it comes to tank and healer, I am somewhat cautious when it comes to DDs.

...but even for DDs I experienced players who did ok dps in the 200-300 Cp range, while I encountered much more CP 600+ guys who thought it's a great idea to play such instances in PvP gear and with a PvP build as a light attack spammer with some snipes in between.

As you are already in the group and will get the time penalty when leaving anyways, give it a try. While doing the first few trash groups you will actually already know if this makes sense or not.

PS: Concerning the "carrying" as a DD...if it turns out that I am at 70%+ group dps (Combat Metrix is a fine tool) I do the following:

check 1: peeps can at least play mechanics and don't die that often ?
check 2: as I am carrying the other DD and fights last longer, does the healer at least deliver support or is it up to me and my pots and does the tank keep bosses still and trash piled up for max dps?

If those checks end up in a No/No, No/Yes, Yes/No and NOT in a Yes/Yes, I am done with a "Sorry, guys" and a wholeheartedly "stfu" for any cheeky "why you can't carry?"-comment :-)

AbysmalGhul

It all depends on your game IQ. CP plays a partial role to succeeding in harder content. I completed VMA under 300 CP and I've earned all of the DLC skins around 360ish CP and that's due to me applying myself. I took the time to learn mechanics because I wanted to improve.

I can't really impose restrictions because of CP. The majority of people I group with in the random finder barely know enough to get by mechanic wise, regardless of CP.

WuffyCerulei

I just can't stress how much you shouldn't pug DLC dungeons for achievements. Go with friends or guildies who know what they're doing.

Sixty5

Sadly there is no way to exclude DLC dungeons from the Random Vet dungeon finder

So not a huge amount that you can do there.