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If you aren't even Champion 400...

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  • LiquidPony
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    Ch4mpTW wrote: »
    This thread now has me thinking about those people one seen with VMoL and VHoF skins, while not being anywhere near the CP cap. Or the people I see with the HotR skin. It’s all so very interesting, and incredibly odd when you stumble across a CP300-400ish Flawless Conqueror.

    Flawless Conqueror is a pretty easy achievement for anyone who knows Maelstrom as long as you don't care about score. Grab defensive sigils, heavy attack and heal. Not difficult.

    Don't really see why the Falkreath skin would be difficult for a CP300-400, either. That dungeon is very simple and certainly doesn't require very high DPS (in fact, I'd say the last boss is easier if you dial back the DPS).

    I know plenty of people who were Flawless Conquerors or had the Maw skin long before they hit CP cap.
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    bitels wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Lol.
    You didnt tank vHOF- thats for sure. I doubt you tanked vMOL as well. You would not make statements like that if you did

    With the combination of my prime play hours being at the time of day where the game is completely dead and the fact almost nobody wants to ever run vet MoL due to the difficulty and large number of crashes, no, I have not tanked those trials, but my tank is definitely capable and I'm a nightblade. If I put my tank gear on my DK and respecced it would be even easier.

    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.
    Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on November 29, 2017 5:44PM
  • R4TTIUS
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    bitels wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Lol.
    You didnt tank vHOF- thats for sure. I doubt you tanked vMOL as well. You would not make statements like that if you did

    With the combination of my prime play hours being at the time of day where the game is completely dead and the fact almost nobody wants to ever run vet MoL due to the difficulty and large number of crashes, no, I have not tanked those trials, but my tank is definitely capable and I'm a nightblade. If I put my tank gear on my DK and respecced it would be even easier.

    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.

    Let me guess you learned to tank all on your own while pugging dungs. :D
    Edited by R4TTIUS on November 29, 2017 5:46PM
  • akray21
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    CP is actually why I never returned to ESO full time. The game punishes you if you take any extended time off. I'm creeping on 400 CP, but anytime I get the itch to play again I'm put off by the large amount of CP that I'm behind. Now that BGs require CP, I can't even play in those.
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    R4TTIUS wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    bitels wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Lol.
    You didnt tank vHOF- thats for sure. I doubt you tanked vMOL as well. You would not make statements like that if you did

    With the combination of my prime play hours being at the time of day where the game is completely dead and the fact almost nobody wants to ever run vet MoL due to the difficulty and large number of crashes, no, I have not tanked those trials, but my tank is definitely capable and I'm a nightblade. If I put my tank gear on my DK and respecced it would be even easier.

    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.

    Let me guess you learned to tank all on your own while pugging dungs. :D

    Yes, but you can bet your ass I didn't queue up for veteran DLC dungeons. I've been playing since release on console and am just now hitting the CP cap because I took a roughly 8-month break. I have ample experience saptanking, through all phases this game has gone through. I've tanked every non-DLC dungeon and normal trial.
    Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on November 29, 2017 5:50PM
  • LiquidPony
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    bitels wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Lol.
    You didnt tank vHOF- thats for sure. I doubt you tanked vMOL as well. You would not make statements like that if you did

    With the combination of my prime play hours being at the time of day where the game is completely dead and the fact almost nobody wants to ever run vet MoL due to the difficulty and large number of crashes, no, I have not tanked those trials, but my tank is definitely capable and I'm a nightblade. If I put my tank gear on my DK and respecced it would be even easier.

    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.

    Well sure, if you haven't tanked any of the truly difficult content in the game, then tanking is easy. Outside of vAA HM (have you done that?), none of the Craglorn Trials require much from the tanks. vMoL and vHoF (and now vAS +1/+2) are in an entirely different league from dungeons and Craglorn Trials.
  • Alchemical
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    Taylor_MB wrote: »
    OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »
    Taylor_MB wrote: »
    If you can't carry a CP399...

    you might be the problem.

    I don’t have the time to carry someone.

    Then don't PuG a DLC dungeon.

    This. Deal with the People You Get, or don't do it.
  • zsban
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.

    They don't taunt the important enemies, forget to interrupt important things, don't know when to just stand in red and shield up and when to actually block / avoid incoming... They don't know which boss shakes off aggro and requires more frequent retaunting or which boss ingores taunt completely etc.... The list can be quite long. Then I've not even mentioned helping the group by chaining ranged adds in, providing warhorn at the right time, etc...

    Tanking is NOT just standing in front of the boss perma blocking and piercing every 12 seconds. In my experience a lot of PUG tanks think it is.
  • LiquidPony
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    akray21 wrote: »
    CP is actually why I never returned to ESO full time. The game punishes you if you take any extended time off. I'm creeping on 400 CP, but anytime I get the itch to play again I'm put off by the large amount of CP that I'm behind. Now that BGs require CP, I can't even play in those.

    Meh.

    The CP at the end of the line don't do a whole lot.

    The difference between a CP590 and a CP690 might be 1% in 4 different stats (e.g., 1% more stam recovery, 1% more stam returned on heavy attacks, 1% more physical damage, 1% more critical damage).

    Pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
  • R4TTIUS
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    R4TTIUS wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    bitels wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Lol.
    You didnt tank vHOF- thats for sure. I doubt you tanked vMOL as well. You would not make statements like that if you did

    With the combination of my prime play hours being at the time of day where the game is completely dead and the fact almost nobody wants to ever run vet MoL due to the difficulty and large number of crashes, no, I have not tanked those trials, but my tank is definitely capable and I'm a nightblade. If I put my tank gear on my DK and respecced it would be even easier.

    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.

    Let me guess you learned to tank all on your own while pugging dungs. :D

    Yes, but you can bet your ass I didn't queue up for veteran DLC dungeons. I've been playing since release on console and am just now hitting the CP cap because I took a roughly 8-month break. I have ample experience saptanking, through all phases this game has gone through. I've tanked every non-DLC dungeon and normal trial.

    So how did you learn the Mechanics of dungeons that don't have the Mechanics in normal ?
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    LiquidPony wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    bitels wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Lol.
    You didnt tank vHOF- thats for sure. I doubt you tanked vMOL as well. You would not make statements like that if you did

    With the combination of my prime play hours being at the time of day where the game is completely dead and the fact almost nobody wants to ever run vet MoL due to the difficulty and large number of crashes, no, I have not tanked those trials, but my tank is definitely capable and I'm a nightblade. If I put my tank gear on my DK and respecced it would be even easier.

    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.

    Well sure, if you haven't tanked any of the truly difficult content in the game, then tanking is easy. Outside of vAA HM (have you done that?), none of the Craglorn Trials require much from the tanks. vMoL and vHoF (and now vAS +1/+2) are in an entirely different league from dungeons and Craglorn Trials.

    My only experience with veteran trials is when I've been invited to vet hel ra when the group is already at the warrior on 3 separate occasions, and every single time, the fight will start and half the group will be dead in less than 30 seconds. (Hint: I was never one of them regardless of my role, dps or tank, before I had made a healer character)

    I just haven't been interested in running those vet trials because the rewards you get for doing them absolutely stink for how hard they are, and I don't use any of those sets to begin with.
    Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on November 29, 2017 6:16PM
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    R4TTIUS wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    R4TTIUS wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    bitels wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Lol.
    You didnt tank vHOF- thats for sure. I doubt you tanked vMOL as well. You would not make statements like that if you did

    With the combination of my prime play hours being at the time of day where the game is completely dead and the fact almost nobody wants to ever run vet MoL due to the difficulty and large number of crashes, no, I have not tanked those trials, but my tank is definitely capable and I'm a nightblade. If I put my tank gear on my DK and respecced it would be even easier.

    I frankly don't understand how tanks I get in my activity finder for pledges can manage to *** up so much. Tanking is the game's easiest role, by far.

    Let me guess you learned to tank all on your own while pugging dungs. :D

    Yes, but you can bet your ass I didn't queue up for veteran DLC dungeons. I've been playing since release on console and am just now hitting the CP cap because I took a roughly 8-month break. I have ample experience saptanking, through all phases this game has gone through. I've tanked every non-DLC dungeon and normal trial.

    So how did you learn the Mechanics of dungeons that don't have the Mechanics in normal ?

    Like what?
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    It would be interesting to see how much patience was required bringing OP through this dungeon the first time. I expect it took much based on his attitude here today.

    OP. The solution to your issue is you should not use the GF to find a group for this dungeon ic it's this much trouble for you. Group with guildies or at the very least firm your own group.

    If your going to use GF to form the group then you have no say in the matter.

    Good thing really strong players don't take his attitude.
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    It would be interesting to see how much patience was required bringing OP through this dungeon the first time. I expect it took much based on his attitude here today.

    When I'm learning a new dungeon's mechanics and enemy animations for those mechanics, I only need to see them once or twice before I know how they work and what to do. I know not everyone can learn at the same speed, but at the same time I'm not queuing these dungeons just to do them, no matter how long it takes. I'm trying to get the amber plasm skin (and by extension the spiderkith), and when I see those champion levels, I know before we even start that it's just not going to happen.
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    I disagree on this one. In my experience (as a DD) a tank needs a lot more knowledge about the content and the mechanics than a DD. Especially in a trial, where a tank can cause the entire group to wipe if he positions the boss at the wrong place.

    With a proper tank in some cases parts of the mechanics remain unnoticeable for the DDs, and all they need to know is where to stand. The tank however needs to know when and where to position the boss, when and where certain adds will spawn, what is the sign that the boss is about to do something nasty and interrupt before he takes it out on the DDs...

    I've run with many good tanks and the dungeon felt easy, somtimes I even wondered is this vet? Then sometimes I get a bad tank for the same dungeon and I then I get hit by things I've not even noticed with the good tanks, boss starts going after me/boss is all over the place leading a sight seeing tour for us DDs and so on...

    I think tanking is actually quite important in this game except maybe a few simpler content where tanking is not really required.
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    I never said tanking was not important, I just said compared to the other classes it was easy.

    Damage dealers have the hardest role mechanically. They have to master their rotations and animation-cancelling to maximize their DPS, they have to know what adds to target first, they have to maintain their buffs, they have to manage their resources the most, and their contribution (or lack thereof) completely decides whether your group is going to finish the content or not.

    Healers have the second-hardest role. They have easier rotations than damage-dealers, but have to monitor all of their teammates' health and sometimes pre-emptively heal whoever's about to take a big shot of damage to the face.

    Tanks taunt the boss, stand still when possible, block, and maintain any self-buffs while having very high defensive stats and abilities, and heavy attack to restore their stamina when needed. Occasionally throw out other moves when you have nothing else to do. Such hard, much wow.
  • SirAndy
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    We have no other choice
    That's not exactly true, you do have a choice.

    You not liking your choices isn't that same as not having choices.
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    PS: I pugged that dungeon with players below CP400 and we did just fine
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    I never said tanking was not important, I just said compared to the other classes it was easy.

    Damage dealers have the hardest role mechanically. They have to master their rotations and animation-cancelling to maximize their DPS, they have to know what adds to target first, they have to maintain their buffs, they have to manage their resources the most, and their contribution (or lack thereof) completely decides whether your group is going to finish the content or not.

    Healers have the second-hardest role. They have easier rotations than damage-dealers, but have to monitor all of their teammates' health and sometimes pre-emptively heal whoever's about to take a big shot of damage to the face.

    Tanks taunt the boss, stand still when possible, block, and maintain any self-buffs while having very high defensive stats and abilities, and heavy attack to restore their stamina when needed. Occasionally throw out other moves when you have nothing else to do. Such hard, much wow.

    Ok let's clarify a misunderstanding here. DD's own rotation and resource management is not the mechanics that I assumed we're talking about here - these fall more into the player's skill category for me.

    In general I can agree with you that DDs have to contribute a lot to finish any content - however a DD having lower DPS while still being alive is way better than a minmaxed DD who died at the first mistake and now does 0 damage.

    Yes, in the end it's the DDs who kill the stuff but I think healers and tanks are the ones who make it much more possible, especially for lower DPS DDs.
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    It would be interesting to see how much patience was required bringing OP through this dungeon the first time. I expect it took much based on his attitude here today.

    When I'm learning a new dungeon's mechanics and enemy animations for those mechanics, I only need to see them once or twice before I know how they work and what to do. I know not everyone can learn at the same speed, but at the same time I'm not queuing these dungeons just to do them, no matter how long it takes. I'm trying to get the amber plasm skin (and by extension the spiderkith), and when I see those champion levels, I know before we even start that it's just not going to happen.

    Why would you want to get the challenges done with a PUG? Get 3 friends together and smash it!

    If I landed in vRoM while doing my random vet daily, and I get someone who obnoxiously demands a no-death, speed-run, and HM for the skin... I'll flaunt my amber plasm in their face, apologise to the rest, and leave. The players you get in PUGs are not your minions to command, and by principle, I will not do your bidding.

    Again, get your own pre-made group of players you deem worthy. like, who attempts to get the skin by PUGging it, and then complains?
  • GoonyGoat
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    So am I right to assume that you're gonna be the guy that traumatizes the dungeon-newcomers in the upcoming event?
  • Ballzy321
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    you Should stop queuing for Mazzatun by yourself. no one wants to do a random vet mazz.
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    Most PuG tanks are terrible DDs that just queued for all 3 roles. I only do that for normals, end up as tank 90% of the time and do 60-85% of group DPS. Highest was upwards of 90% in a Blackheart run and 2 people were CP500+ and the 3rd around CP. My furry Khajiit NB laughed hard at the end :D
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
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  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    Why would you want to get the challenges done with a PUG? Get 3 friends together and smash it!

    Is there something about "late-night to early-morning schedule" you all are pretending not to understand?
    If I landed in vRoM while doing my random vet daily, and I get someone who obnoxiously demands a no-death, speed-run, and HM for the skin...

    Nobody in their right mind would ask for all of these things at once. I know I'm probably going to have to get them one at a time. What you're doing is called hyperbole.
    So am I right to assume that you're gonna be the guy that traumatizes the dungeon-newcomers in the upcoming event?

    For my nightblade, sorc, and dragonknight, I'm going to be queued as dps and tank, and seek to blast out whatever dungeon I land in as fast as possible. For my healer, I'm going to be dependant on whoever I get matched with because my healer does not have anywhere near the number of skillpoints or the gear to DPS.
    Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on November 29, 2017 7:04PM
  • Rouven
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    SirAndy wrote: »
    (...)

    PS: I pugged that dungeon with players below CP400 and we did just fine

    Doh, nerf naked nords! Nerf naked nords! Barf steak and port!

    Did I say that out loud? :o
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  • ArvenAldmeri
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    Bro, just 2 days ago we got the worst imaginable queue in mazzatun ever. And those people were not cp 200 or 300 or 400. They were both heal and dps cp 690+, they did not know mechanics, healing was terrible, dps was terrible, I basically had to kill everything myself. Dont judge people based on CP ever is my adivce. We got as many bad high CP guys in group tool just like we got low CP. If you are noob you can be CP 3000 and you will still suck.
    Magicka sorcerer from start until the end. Always. Through the good times and the bad, even now when its probably saddest PvE dps it has ever been.
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  • coop500
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    Cillion3117 wrote: »
    I welcome all levels to join me. Except for OP, you must have 1000 cp or stay out of my queue.

    This.
    Wishing for Lilmothiit race still! Or maybe Lilmothiit companion?
  • Midori_Oku
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    I don't see the problem. It's possible to do vet RoM without a tank, and less than four people at the same time. If you can't carry a low level or two that's on you.
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  • jaws343
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    Why would you want to get the challenges done with a PUG? Get 3 friends together and smash it!

    Is there something about "late-night to early-morning schedule" you all are pretending not to understand?

    Is there something about "the random dungeon finder queues players into DLC dungeons if they have ESO+ or the DLC" that you don't understand?

    For whatever reason, you are feeling slighted by these players who don't meet your CP criteria in a dungeon finder group. How many of these players even signed up for the dungeon specifically and how many just did a random, with no control over the outcome?

    And honestly, if you want no-death, skin runs, the dungeon finder is not the place for it. If I am running a pledge or a random, no death is meaningless, I want those keys or the finish. If a no death happens great. If I specifically want one, I will build a group for it.

    And having a late-night schedule doesn't entitle you to any special dungeon finder privileges.
  • VaranisArano
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    DocFrost72 wrote: »
    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    tourerttrwb17_ESO wrote: »
    I have been in the group where CP355 guy main tanked vMOL and we successfully completed it. And you are saying that you have to be CP500 to tank Mazzatun??? @Dapper Dinosaur

    Tanking in this game is honestly a cakewalk mechanically. You're also talking about a trial where the tank is 1/12th of the group, and he was probably accompanied by an entire team of 690 hardcore DPS players.

    You have absolutely no idea if you genuinely believe this statement.

    I tank plenty. I know.

    Is that actual tanking or "I'm a DPS who maybe has a taunt tanking"?

    This is an honest question because I know we've discussed the suitability of DPS queuing as tanks before. I'm willing to grant that there's plenty of content that can be "tanked" as a DPS with a taunt. I know, I've got an off-tank/DPS for normal dungeons who's a DPS with Pierce Armor that holds the bosses still for her DPS. But I also know that my DPS/Tank's capabilities are pretty far below the capabilities of my actual Tank character when it comes to content that benefits from an actual tank.
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    Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »
    I'm willing to bet those two didn't even know the dungeon mechanics.

    And how in hell will they ever learn them when people like you come here to tell them to not bother queuing in the first place?

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