Will you use Crystal Blast now that Frags has no CC?

HoloYoitsu

Pretty straightforward question. As we see from the dev comments Wrobel's entire "justification" for nerfing Frags while doing nothing to improve Crystal Blast is predicated on the notion that people would actually use Blast now. I posit that literally no player who takes themselves seriously will use Crystal Blast.

We wanted to separate the function of abilities into more distinct roles. Crystal Shards was overloaded since it had high damage, instant cast, stun, reduced cost. Now if the sorcerer wants a stun they have to either go through a cast time or deal reduced damage.

Obviously, please only vote if you actually play a mag sorc.

GrigorijMalahevich

No

I was under the impression that this change was removed?...

Nobody is going to use cast time ability, end of story. Useless for PvP and useless for PvE

Eirella

No

Hahahahahahahahaha

no.

HoloYoitsu

No

Valera Progib wrote: »

I was under the impression that this change was removed?...

Nope. Frags nerf is now up on PTS as of today's update.

OdinForge

No

I can't wait to see who votes yes, I only expect the mighty wizard of DC to be on that list.

RoyJade

No

Yes, f course ! I alway dreamed of a 1 second cast + high flight time costly cc !
And rune prison is soooo bad, same for streak. Every sorc need this absolute mandatory cc !


One good point with this change : I'll be able to time my cc without needing to think to my frag anymore. But at the end, that's >improve< frag's utility over blast. Because, hey, blast is strong enough and suffer no comparison against frag after all.


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GrigorijMalahevich

No

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Valera Progib wrote: »

I was under the impression that this change was removed?...

Nope. Frags nerf is now up on PTS as of today's update.

Had a quick through patch notes... wow, that must most stupid change since... I dunno, this is probably top1 clueless change.

Well, I already cancelled my sub everyone should just stop playing magsorcs and start flooding forums...

P.S. I hear that vigor is overused... gap closers are overused... much more than frags

Beardimus

No

And they say Sorcs don't get nerfed huh?

Where's that moany crew now.....

DDuke

You know what, if they actually increased the damage of Crystal Blast in comparison to Frags people just might use it - assuming something gets done about Miat's Cheat Engine Lite.

Cast time abilities allow you to instantly combo them with an instant cast skill as you circumvent the GCD which is quite valuable (it's why Dark Flare->Jav is a strong combo vs non-Miat users for example). Then again, they're utterly useless if your opponent just sees the cast timer & dodges them

*shrugs*

leepalmer95

No

Its useless in pvp and pve.

Derra

No

They should feel ashamed for even thinking this would work.

Asmael

No

Even if you remove C.Frag entirely, I still wouldn't use Crystal blast.

Alpheu5

No

Derra wrote: »

They should feel ashamed for even thinking this would work.

Preach it

Ankael07

No

If polls or constructive criticism were listened we wouldnt have this change in the first place

WuffyCerulei

Yes

I misread the darn poll.

I shoulda said no T-T

SodanTok

No

I dont play magsorc, but If Dizzy or Snipe had instacast morph, I would never use the cast time one, even for stun. Let alone with having cheaper cost and more damage on the instant one.

But to be real, frag was overtuned. Too many good stuff on one ability. Kinda sad that way to promote the bad morph was the only way someone noticed it.

Derra

No

Ankael07 wrote: »

If polls or constructive criticism were listened we wouldnt have this change in the first place

Every time crystal blast got changed people brought up that the problem about that skill is the casttime.
Every freaking time people tell them the same damn thing.
And they will probably make another change to frags or to blast (but keeping the casttime).

Maulkin

No

Biased poll is biased. Needs a "LOL" option.

Joy_Division

No

To be fair, Crystal Blast is the most effective sorcerer skill in a 30v3.

ToRelax

No

Joy_Division wrote: »

To be fair, Crystal Blast is the most effective sorcerer skill in a 30v3.

To get the 30 killed ._.

Maulkin

No

SodanTok wrote: »

I dont play magsorc, but If Dizzy or Snipe had instacast morph, I would never use the cast time one, even for stun. Let alone with having cheaper cost and more damage on the instant one.

But to be real, frag was overtuned. Too many good stuff on one ability. Kinda sad that way to promote the bad morph was the only way someone noticed it.

Overtuned? A 30% proc chance skill that is dodgeable? What are Warden's Pidgeons and Sub Assault/Fissure then?

Oh the irony.

Fischblut

No

Sometimes I hardcast frags from stealth for fun
If I start to hardcast them in actual combat, it's cause my weapon swap lagged and I think I'm on my other bar and want to use Streak

they're utterly useless if your opponent just sees the cast timer & dodges them

Except when someone is already CCd and has no stamina to break free, or simply has no stamina to dodge. Sometimes people just don't know(?) that cast can be interrupted - few times when I was caught on wrong weapon bar and casted frags at melee enemy whom I wanted to stun by Streak, I wasn't even interrupted and stunned them by frags instead

Anyway, I don't like upcoming change cause I don't like any nerfs in general.

SodanTok

No

Maulkin wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

I dont play magsorc, but If Dizzy or Snipe had instacast morph, I would never use the cast time one, even for stun. Let alone with having cheaper cost and more damage on the instant one.

But to be real, frag was overtuned. Too many good stuff on one ability. Kinda sad that way to promote the bad morph was the only way someone noticed it.

Overtuned? A 30% proc chance skill that is dodgeable? What are Warden's Pidgeons and Sub Assault/Fissure then?

Oh the irony.

Range, high damage, CC. Often more damage, cheap and instant. There is no irony. There is no other skill that has that many critical things. And for the record, that is totally different to what could be considered OP. You can have OP skill that has just one functionality.

Dizzy swing has literally just the damage and CC. Dark flare has literally just range and dmg. Snipe has literally just range and dmg. Dawnbreaker has literally just damage and CC. Overload light hast just range and dmg. I could go on and on and on. The only other skill that has too many things and comes in mind is probably incap.
And yes, crystal blast fits the description too. Further proving that even skill that has too many good things could be rendered useless if it has huge flaw (which is relative to how the specific combat in game works). In this case cast time is bad thing for ranged ability in ESO PVP.

Maulkin

No

SodanTok wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

I dont play magsorc, but If Dizzy or Snipe had instacast morph, I would never use the cast time one, even for stun. Let alone with having cheaper cost and more damage on the instant one.

But to be real, frag was overtuned. Too many good stuff on one ability. Kinda sad that way to promote the bad morph was the only way someone noticed it.

Overtuned? A 30% proc chance skill that is dodgeable? What are Warden's Pidgeons and Sub Assault/Fissure then?

Oh the irony.

Range, high damage, CC. Often more damage, cheap and instant. There is no irony. There is no other skill that has that many critical things. And for the record, that is totally different to what could be considered OP. You can have OP skill that has just one functionality.

Dizzy swing has literally just the damage and CC. Dark flare has literally just range and dmg. Snipe has literally just range and dmg. Dawnbreaker has literally just damage and CC. Overload light hast just range and dmg. I could go on and on and on. The only other skill that has too many things and comes in mind is probably incap.

You could go on and on and on and be wrong ALL along the way. More than half those skills have other elements. Like Dark Flare has Defile, Empower and higher damage to boot. Snipe has Stealth Damage (and CC with it) with much bigger range. Dawnbreaker has a very strong DoT and stupidly high burst against Vamps/WWs... and it's an ultimate. Overload has much higher damage and restores magicka and is a ultimate.

A C.Frag with no CC is straight up a worse skill than Cliffracer and Funnel Health. It's not even a contest, basically. I'd gladly trade them in a heartbeat.

Tannus15

Yes

lol, i clicked the wrong one by accident.
No, never gonna use the cast time option.

Nestor

I work with the cast time anyway so no big shakes to me.

Wreuntzylla

ToRelax wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

To be fair, Crystal Blast is the most effective sorcerer skill in a 30v3.

To get the 30 killed ._.

<sigh>

Joy is right.

Zergrballers depend on heals and ignore their active defenses.

But even setting those aside, why do people keep think it needs to be cast on a player or can be dodged? Or blocked?

After testing crystal blast on live this weekend, on a dunmer crafting mule wearing L45 julianos... I can't freaking wait. I am going to force my buddies into rolling high elf sorcs and start a guild called Anchors and Tears. Just need someone to confirm its an actual AoE stun. Ranged bombing, no negate needed.

Just to make it clear to those that don't get it, NPCs, engine guardian, sorc atronach, warden bear, pack leader... everything that typically gets in the way of targeting... all anchors. No chance of dodge, reflect, block, and the AoE portion doesn't care.

HoloYoitsu

No

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

To be fair, Crystal Blast is the most effective sorcerer skill in a 30v3.

To get the 30 killed ._.

<sigh>

Joy is right.

Zergrballers depend on heals and ignore their active defenses.

But even setting those aside, why do people keep think it needs to be cast on a player or can be dodged? Or blocked?

After testing crystal blast on live this weekend, on a dunmer crafting mule wearing L45 julianos... I can't freaking wait. I am going to force my buddies into rolling high elf sorcs and start a guild called Anchors and Tears. Just need someone to confirm its an actual AoE stun. Ranged bombing, no negate needed.

Just to make it clear to those that don't get it, NPCs, engine guardian, sorc atronach, warden bear, pack leader... everything that typically gets in the way of targeting... all anchors. No chance of dodge, reflect, block, and the AoE portion doesn't care.

The Stun component is single target, only the damage is AoE - and the AoE portion is lower than the main dmg. Your plan wont work.

Toc de Malsvi

Maulkin wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

I dont play magsorc, but If Dizzy or Snipe had instacast morph, I would never use the cast time one, even for stun. Let alone with having cheaper cost and more damage on the instant one.

But to be real, frag was overtuned. Too many good stuff on one ability. Kinda sad that way to promote the bad morph was the only way someone noticed it.

Overtuned? A 30% proc chance skill that is dodgeable? What are Warden's Pidgeons and Sub Assault/Fissure then?

Oh the irony.

Range, high damage, CC. Often more damage, cheap and instant. There is no irony. There is no other skill that has that many critical things. And for the record, that is totally different to what could be considered OP. You can have OP skill that has just one functionality.

Dizzy swing has literally just the damage and CC. Dark flare has literally just range and dmg. Snipe has literally just range and dmg. Dawnbreaker has literally just damage and CC. Overload light hast just range and dmg. I could go on and on and on. The only other skill that has too many things and comes in mind is probably incap.

You could go on and on and on and be wrong ALL along the way. More than half those skills have other elements. Like Dark Flare has Defile, Empower and higher damage to boot. Snipe has Stealth Damage (and CC with it) with much bigger range. Dawnbreaker has a very strong DoT and stupidly high burst against Vamps/WWs... and it's an ultimate. Overload has much higher damage and restores magicka and is a ultimate.

A C.Frag with no CC is straight up a worse skill than Cliffracer and Funnel Health. It's not even a contest, basically. I'd gladly trade them in a heartbeat.

Will trade defile for instant cast proc on snipe, any takers? No? Cast time sucks huh?

Drummerx04

No

SodanTok wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

SodanTok wrote: »

I dont play magsorc, but If Dizzy or Snipe had instacast morph, I would never use the cast time one, even for stun. Let alone with having cheaper cost and more damage on the instant one.

But to be real, frag was overtuned. Too many good stuff on one ability. Kinda sad that way to promote the bad morph was the only way someone noticed it.

Overtuned? A 30% proc chance skill that is dodgeable? What are Warden's Pidgeons and Sub Assault/Fissure then?

Oh the irony.

Range, high damage, CC. Often more damage, cheap and instant. There is no irony. There is no other skill that has that many critical things. And for the record, that is totally different to what could be considered OP. You can have OP skill that has just one functionality.

Dizzy swing has literally just the damage and CC. Dark flare has literally just range and dmg and empower and AoE defile. Snipe has literally just long range and dmg and I think either defile or major breech?. Dawnbreaker has literally just undodgeable damage and CC in an AoE + strong DOT. Overload light hast just range and dmg. I could go on and on and on. The only other skill that has too many things and comes in mind is probably incap.
And yes, crystal blast fits the description too. Further proving that even skill that has too many good things could be rendered useless if it has huge flaw (which is relative to how the specific combat in game works). In this case cast time is bad thing for ranged ability in ESO PVP.

Fixed that for you.

C frags was/is strong and honestly the CC wasn't all that broken since it only lasts around 2 seconds compared to things like stone giant that lasts 4.

FriedEggSandwich

No

I might not even play sorc/eso. There's only so much upheaval I can take. I feel cautious about investing my time/money in the game tbh. My toys keep getting broken.