Sotha Sil NAPC Part VII

squidprojectb14_ESO

TBH this campagin hasn't been fun for about a month, due to the AD zerg.

Taylor_MB

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

TBH this campagin hasn't been fun for about a month, due to the AD zerg.

Yeah but then just over 1 month ago it was DC night capping every night.

I'd encourage everyone to have a toon on all alliances, it means you will always get out numbered fights, help boost the losing side, and never be responsible for zerging the map. You will get called a dirty faction hopper and by some twisted logic be responsible for the zerging, but we know you do it for the PvP and you are appreciated.

squidprojectb14_ESO

Taylor_MB wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

TBH this campagin hasn't been fun for about a month, due to the AD zerg.

Yeah but then just over 1 month ago it was DC night capping every night.

I'd encourage everyone to have a toon on all alliances, it means you will always get out numbered fights, help boost the losing side, and never be responsible for zerging the map. You will get called a dirty faction hopper and by some twisted logic be responsible for the zerging, but we know you do it for the PvP and you are appreciated.

True but it's more fun to be the outnumbered ones generally.

I think I will have to make some rival alliance alts. LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

pzschrek

@squidprojectb14_ESO a bunch of us are in the midst of rolling DC so we can actually play on Sotha. That's where we've been all weekend. Come join us!

esotoon

Taylor_MB wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

TBH this campagin hasn't been fun for about a month, due to the AD zerg.

Yeah but then just over 1 month ago it was DC night capping every night.

I'd encourage everyone to have a toon on all alliances, it means you will always get out numbered fights, help boost the losing side, and never be responsible for zerging the map. You will get called a dirty faction hopper and by some twisted logic be responsible for the zerging, but we know you do it for the PvP and you are appreciated.

Trouble is, you don't always know what the pop ratios are and the bars are not always a good indicator. Prime example, you complain of DC night capping last month, yet the fights DC had through the 'night' were often far more balanced than any of the fights we had during prime time. Yet apparently, according to you, DC night capping was a major problem last campaign, and not the EP zerg that was going on through the day on the back half of the campaign, or the fact that DC had next to no players on during Prime Time.

Simply going by who has most control of the map doesn't always produce a fair result either. Again, take last month, If people had followed your view of the campaign and swapped factions in order to counter DC through the night (as we were the ones controlling more of the map at that time), it would only have taken a few players swapping to stop DC in their tracks. DC would have been shut out of the campaign altogether, even though in terms of numbers, we had far fewer players than EP and AD.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand what you are saying, but it only works if the players deciding to faction swap have accurate information regarding the whole of the campaign (all 24 hours, not just the time you happen to play) and are doing it for purely alturistic reasons, and not just for AP, or for what has happened in the past, to control the campaign for the betterment of their guild/friends.

esotoon

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

I can understand this. As a DC player though, I have to give props to the AD Emps this campaign for generally leaving our Tri-Keeps alone, so we can at least participate. Even if that participation is often greeted by 100 AP starved AD players waiting to pounce on our every move.

D0RID0RI240

The AD Sotha regulars that were part of the 40 plus that swarmed Kings against maybe 10 EP and were then generous with the tbags are obviously just trying to get good fights you see...

Heike

esotoon wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

I can understand this. As a DC player though, I have to give props to the AD Emps this campaign for generally leaving our Tri-Keeps alone, so we can at least participate. Even if that participation is often greeted by 100 AP starved AD players waiting to pounce on our every move.

For a lot of the newer players that I’ve talked to, it’s a direct reflection on what they’ come from in Kyne. Look at Kyne right now, which is totally blue and where AD is camped at their trikeeps, while having no scrolls. It’s simply all they know when they ping out of Kyne.

@squidprojectb14_ESO , @pzschrek , sazaki, Fruit, @treatz and myself have run in small man, until there’s nothing left to do. Then we split up and go do something else.

But, each one of them will tell you that we run into almost no one that we know in these pug groups. And many of them are fresh out of Kyne... and pissed off. lol

They’re uncontrollable, even we we scream at them to leave trikeeps alone.

Floobs

D0RID0RI240 wrote: »

The AD Sotha regulars that were part of the 40 plus that swarmed Kings against maybe 10 EP and were then generous with the tbags are obviously just trying to get good fights you see...

Nah man we totally got outplayed by a coordinated small man and another coordinated small man coordinating small-ly to take on a hostile faction. Don't forget the part where we zerged them with 6 total at the scroll temple.

Taylor_MB

esotoon wrote: »

Taylor_MB wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

TBH this campagin hasn't been fun for about a month, due to the AD zerg.

Yeah but then just over 1 month ago it was DC night capping every night.

I'd encourage everyone to have a toon on all alliances, it means you will always get out numbered fights, help boost the losing side, and never be responsible for zerging the map. You will get called a dirty faction hopper and by some twisted logic be responsible for the zerging, but we know you do it for the PvP and you are appreciated.

Trouble is, you don't always know what the pop ratios are and the bars are not always a good indicator. Prime example, you complain of DC night capping last month, yet the fights DC had through the 'night' were often far more balanced than any of the fights we had during prime time. Yet apparently, according to you, DC night capping was a major problem last campaign, and not the EP zerg that was going on through the day on the back half of the campaign, or the fact that DC had next to no players on during Prime Time.

Simply going by who has most control of the map doesn't always produce a fair result either. Again, take last month, If people had followed your view of the campaign and swapped factions in order to counter DC through the night (as we were the ones controlling more of the map at that time), it would only have taken a few players swapping to stop DC in their tracks. DC would have been shut out of the campaign altogether, even though in terms of numbers, we had far fewer players than EP and AD.

Don't get me wrong, I do understand what you are saying, but it only works if the players deciding to faction swap have accurate information regarding the whole of the campaign (all 24 hours, not just the time you happen to play) and are doing it for purely alturistic reasons, and not just for AP, or for what has happened in the past, to control the campaign for the betterment of their guild/friends.

You really missed the point dude.

DC night zerging? Then log onto an AD or EP.

EP day zerging? Then log onto a DC or AD.

It's really not that hard to fight for whoever is under populated at the time, 3 paragraphs saying "it's too difficult" is a really weird waste of time.

squidprojectb14_ESO

pzschrek wrote: »

@squidprojectb14_ESO a bunch of us are in the midst of rolling DC so we can actually play on Sotha. That's where we've been all weekend. Come join us!

Cool, I'll roll a DC.

wrote:

You really missed the point dude.

DC night zerging? Then log onto an AD or EP.

EP day zerging? Then log onto a DC or AD.

It's really not that hard to fight for whoever is under populated at the time, 3 paragraphs saying "it's too difficult" is a really weird waste of time.

Ouch, Taybrn.

1skaral

Are you guys crazy? There aren't enough AD.

I don't want to share!

esotoon

Taylor_MB wrote: »

You really missed the point dude.

DC night zerging? Then log onto an AD or EP.

EP day zerging? Then log onto a DC or AD.

It's really not that hard to fight for whoever is under populated at the time, 3 paragraphs saying "it's too difficult" is a really weird waste of time.

Clearly a waste of time. Maybe it's because I like to play the campaign rather than just small group/solo PVP that I felt the need to point out that there was sometimes more to it than your simple formula. But I forgot, nuance and context should never be any part of any decision or discussion on the Internet.

Alite

Heike wrote: »

esotoon wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

I can understand this. As a DC player though, I have to give props to the AD Emps this campaign for generally leaving our Tri-Keeps alone, so we can at least participate. Even if that participation is often greeted by 100 AP starved AD players waiting to pounce on our every move.

For a lot of the newer players that I’ve talked to, it’s a direct reflection on what they’ come from in Kyne. Look at Kyne right now, which is totally blue and where AD is camped at their trikeeps, while having no scrolls. It’s simply all they know when they ping out of Kyne.

@squidprojectb14_ESO , @pzschrek , sazaki, Fruit, @treatz and myself have run in small man, until there’s nothing left to do. Then we split up and go do something else.

But, each one of them will tell you that we run into almost no one that we know in these pug groups. And many of them are fresh out of Kyne... and pissed off. lol

They’re uncontrollable, even we we scream at them to leave trikeeps alone.

Funny, anytime I see zazaki he's chasing down solo sorcs with his shield breaker setup and the 8 other people in his group.

Calling that garbage small manning is almost as stupid as zerglings that teabag solo players after running them down. Maybe you should reassess your definition of small manning.

Passifest

There is a big problem in this game of so called small scalers killing solo players 6vs1 and claiming they are not zerging. There is a disconnect in the logic. If 36 people killed your 6 man you would say you got zerged down hard but to most small scalers killing a solo is done without a second thought(just like those 36 would kill the 6 without a second thought). Sure there are differences but the the 6:1 ratio remains true. I am not saying I do not do it occasionally as well but the hypocrisy is something that needs to be addressed imo.

gabriebe

lol AD got camped in Kyne because DC and to a large extent EP too are tired of their ***.

pzschrek

@squidprojectb14_ESO is he a stam?? It's DC, make sure he is a stam toon and you can join the eternal victory no matter what happens. Why eternal victory?

The no-lose stam-bro philosophy:

1. If I have 3 people and kill you, I won because I'm better.
2. If I have 3 people and die to 8 of your people, I didn't lose because you zerged me down. In fact, I actually won, because we killed the CP200 guy in the back line before we died.

Every fight is a victory when you're a stam-bro! Roll a stam toon today and join us in the towers across Cyrodiil!

Drakk can teach you this, or he's not Father of the Year.

DeadlyRecluse

pzschrek wrote: »

Every fight is a victory when you're a stam-bro!

Dawnbreakers on the second story of a resource tower is the only real PvP.

Adenoma

Horseganking is the only real PvP.

Drakkdjinn

pzschrek wrote: »

@squidprojectb14_ESO is he a stam?? It's DC, make sure he is a stam toon and you can join the eternal victory no matter what happens. Why eternal victory?

The no-lose stam-bro philosophy:

1. If I have 3 people and kill you, I won because I'm better.
2. If I have 3 people and die to 8 of your people, I didn't lose because you zerged me down. In fact, I actually won, because we killed the CP200 guy in the back line before we died.

Every fight is a victory when you're a stam-bro! Roll a stam toon today and join us in the towers across Cyrodiil!

Drakk can teach you this, or he's not Father of the Year.

If all your friends decided to jump off Alessia Bridge, would you?

I raised you better than that, so sayeth Father of the Year.

A_G_G_R_O

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Every fight is a victory when you're a stam-bro!

Dawnbreakers on the second story of a resource tower is the only real PvP.

First valid statement in this thread I didn’t write myself.

DeadlyRecluse

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Every fight is a victory when you're a stam-bro!

Dawnbreakers on the second story of a resource tower is the only real PvP.

First valid statement in this thread I didn’t write myself.

I know where it's at, man. I just hide it well.

Heike

Alite wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

esotoon wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

I can understand this. As a DC player though, I have to give props to the AD Emps this campaign for generally leaving our Tri-Keeps alone, so we can at least participate. Even if that participation is often greeted by 100 AP starved AD players waiting to pounce on our every move.

For a lot of the newer players that I’ve talked to, it’s a direct reflection on what they’ come from in Kyne. Look at Kyne right now, which is totally blue and where AD is camped at their trikeeps, while having no scrolls. It’s simply all they know when they ping out of Kyne.

@squidprojectb14_ESO , @pzschrek , sazaki, Fruit, @treatz and myself have run in small man, until there’s nothing left to do. Then we split up and go do something else.

But, each one of them will tell you that we run into almost no one that we know in these pug groups. And many of them are fresh out of Kyne... and pissed off. lol

They’re uncontrollable, even we we scream at them to leave trikeeps alone.

Funny, anytime I see zazaki he's chasing down solo sorcs with his shield breaker setup and the 8 other people in his group.

Calling that garbage small manning is almost as stupid as zerglings that teabag solo players after running them down. Maybe you should reassess your definition of small manning.

So..... if our group of 6 is seiging Nik, and you come up from behind us (not YOU, but I’m general) and keeps hitting and bolting away around the rocks, until Sazaki turns and chases the Sorc down....

THAT makes it “trashy play?”

That’s laughable.

If you don’t want to get killed, then don’t hit from behind and assume that you’ll be able to bolt away every time. Seems like fairly simple logic.

Kartalin

Lol, if we leave a solo person/small group alone and start riding off and they continue to try to attack someone at the back of the group, then they better be quiet when they find themselves being zerged.

Sylphie

Heike wrote: »

Alite wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

esotoon wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

I can understand this. As a DC player though, I have to give props to the AD Emps this campaign for generally leaving our Tri-Keeps alone, so we can at least participate. Even if that participation is often greeted by 100 AP starved AD players waiting to pounce on our every move.

For a lot of the newer players that I’ve talked to, it’s a direct reflection on what they’ come from in Kyne. Look at Kyne right now, which is totally blue and where AD is camped at their trikeeps, while having no scrolls. It’s simply all they know when they ping out of Kyne.

@squidprojectb14_ESO , @pzschrek , sazaki, Fruit, @treatz and myself have run in small man, until there’s nothing left to do. Then we split up and go do something else.

But, each one of them will tell you that we run into almost no one that we know in these pug groups. And many of them are fresh out of Kyne... and pissed off. lol

They’re uncontrollable, even we we scream at them to leave trikeeps alone.

Funny, anytime I see zazaki he's chasing down solo sorcs with his shield breaker setup and the 8 other people in his group.

Calling that garbage small manning is almost as stupid as zerglings that teabag solo players after running them down. Maybe you should reassess your definition of small manning.

So..... if our group of 6 is seiging Nik, and you come up from behind us (not YOU, but I’m general) and keeps hitting and bolting away around the rocks, until Sazaki turns and chases the Sorc down....

THAT makes it “trashy play?”

That’s laughable.

If you don’t want to get killed, then don’t hit from behind and assume that you’ll be able to bolt away every time. Seems like fairly simple logic.

Except that's rarely the situation. Most of the time it's 2 of us capturing a resource, getting 6-8 people sent to the resource and zerging us down.

I have nothing against zergs and large group play but please don't tell me that's what smallscaling is nowadays.

Said nightblade has also 8v2'd us and proceed to camp our bodies so our third could not res because "we're trolls" for doing what we do.

Heike

Sylphie wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

Alite wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

esotoon wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

I can understand this. As a DC player though, I have to give props to the AD Emps this campaign for generally leaving our Tri-Keeps alone, so we can at least participate. Even if that participation is often greeted by 100 AP starved AD players waiting to pounce on our every move.

For a lot of the newer players that I’ve talked to, it’s a direct reflection on what they’ come from in Kyne. Look at Kyne right now, which is totally blue and where AD is camped at their trikeeps, while having no scrolls. It’s simply all they know when they ping out of Kyne.

@squidprojectb14_ESO , @pzschrek , sazaki, Fruit, @treatz and myself have run in small man, until there’s nothing left to do. Then we split up and go do something else.

But, each one of them will tell you that we run into almost no one that we know in these pug groups. And many of them are fresh out of Kyne... and pissed off. lol

They’re uncontrollable, even we we scream at them to leave trikeeps alone.

Funny, anytime I see zazaki he's chasing down solo sorcs with his shield breaker setup and the 8 other people in his group.

Calling that garbage small manning is almost as stupid as zerglings that teabag solo players after running them down. Maybe you should reassess your definition of small manning.

So..... if our group of 6 is seiging Nik, and you come up from behind us (not YOU, but I’m general) and keeps hitting and bolting away around the rocks, until Sazaki turns and chases the Sorc down....

THAT makes it “trashy play?”

That’s laughable.

If you don’t want to get killed, then don’t hit from behind and assume that you’ll be able to bolt away every time. Seems like fairly simple logic.

Except that's rarely the situation. Most of the time it's 2 of us capturing a resource, getting 6-8 people sent to the resource and zerging us down.

I have nothing against zergs and large group play but please don't tell me that's what smallscaling is nowadays.

Said nightblade has also 8v2'd us and proceed to camp our bodies so our third could not res because "we're trolls" for doing what we do.

6 people coming to a resource, as a group, is not a zerg. It’s 6 people.

Are we supposed to know ahead of time, that it’s 2 people? Maybe send a scout...? Are we then suppose to say to ourselves, “okay there’s only 2 people there, so only 2 of you are allowed to go there... and each of you square off, 7 meters apart.”

Seriously? You’re being serious here?

I have screenies of 51 EP coming to BRK mine, to kill @squidprojectb14_ESO and I. Fletchlokk rolled in and swan-dove into the massive sea of red... then we laughed and rezzed at Sej. But, I didn’t make a commentary about it.

Outside of watching the back postern of a keep during seige, I’ve never seen Sazaki camp a body, and I run with him every night.
We’re simply too adhd to stand idly. lol

Taylor_MB

*yawn*

Malibulove

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Every fight is a victory when you're a stam-bro!

Dawnbreakers on the second story of a resource tower is the only real PvP.

First valid statement in this thread I didn’t write myself.

I know where it's at, man. I just hide it well.

You can hide anything in the middle of those 3 bar AD zergs.

DeadlyRecluse

Malibulove wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

pzschrek wrote: »

Every fight is a victory when you're a stam-bro!

Dawnbreakers on the second story of a resource tower is the only real PvP.

First valid statement in this thread I didn’t write myself.

I know where it's at, man. I just hide it well.

You can hide anything in the middle of those 3 bar AD zergs.

There's a reason I've only been in sotha 2 or 3 nights in the past 3 months. I just don't feel the need to make a big show of it, you know?

Alite

Heike wrote: »

Alite wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

esotoon wrote: »

squidprojectb14_ESO wrote: »

LIterally every time I've logged in we've owned the entire map so it's really become unplayable.

I can understand this. As a DC player though, I have to give props to the AD Emps this campaign for generally leaving our Tri-Keeps alone, so we can at least participate. Even if that participation is often greeted by 100 AP starved AD players waiting to pounce on our every move.

For a lot of the newer players that I’ve talked to, it’s a direct reflection on what they’ come from in Kyne. Look at Kyne right now, which is totally blue and where AD is camped at their trikeeps, while having no scrolls. It’s simply all they know when they ping out of Kyne.

@squidprojectb14_ESO , @pzschrek , sazaki, Fruit, @treatz and myself have run in small man, until there’s nothing left to do. Then we split up and go do something else.

But, each one of them will tell you that we run into almost no one that we know in these pug groups. And many of them are fresh out of Kyne... and pissed off. lol

They’re uncontrollable, even we we scream at them to leave trikeeps alone.

Funny, anytime I see zazaki he's chasing down solo sorcs with his shield breaker setup and the 8 other people in his group.

Calling that garbage small manning is almost as stupid as zerglings that teabag solo players after running them down. Maybe you should reassess your definition of small manning.

So..... if our group of 6 is seiging Nik, and you come up from behind us (not YOU, but I’m general) and keeps hitting and bolting away around the rocks, until Sazaki turns and chases the Sorc down....

THAT makes it “trashy play?”

That’s laughable.

If you don’t want to get killed, then don’t hit from behind and assume that you’ll be able to bolt away every time. Seems like fairly simple logic.

What's laughable is trash can groups of 8 who pass by a resource, see a player already getting zerged, and jump in with their whole group in their *** shieldbreaker setup just to kill said player. AND THEN the best part is when they come on the forums to claim they "small scale".

Do what you want with your group but don't come tell me you're small scaling when you do *** like that.