PTS Update 16 - Feedback Thread for Sorcerer

LegendaryMage

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

Tyrion87

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

... I just don't know what to say ... looking at your responses in the threads concerning other classes it seems it's better not to give feedback at all. At least good skills would remain good... You completely missed the point. Again.

SorataArisugawa

Tyrion87 wrote: »

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

... I just don't know what to say ... looking at your responses in the threads concerning other classes it seems it's better not to give feedback at all. At least good skills would remain good... You completely missed the point. Again.

THIS

I mean... you are kidding Mr. Wrobel, right?... What's happening???

dpencil1

Ouch. I guess that whole "more buffs to weak things and less nerfs to strong things" message is just not something the dev team wants to hear.

OdinForge

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

lol.

Apherius

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

K , time to throw the sorcerer on the Void , thank a lot.

Serisouly ... nobody will use crystal blast NOBODY, sorc will use the crystal who proc UNTIL THE END OF THE TIME. Ok , after this quick comment i will try to be useful on this post , and this is what i purpose.

• Crystal Fragments: Conjure dark crystals to bombard an ennemy dealing X magic damage, Casting any other magicka ability has a 35% chance of causing your next crystals fragments to be instant, deal 20% more damage and cost 50% less magicka, also damage ennemies near the initial target for X magic damage

• Crystal Blast : Conjure dark crystals to bombard an ennemy dealing X magic damage and stunning them for 2 sec, Casting any other magicka ability has a 35% chance of causing your next crystals fragments to be instant , deal 20% more damage and cost 50% less magicka.

What I mean is that both crystal should proc , one should stun the target the the other one deal more damage to ennemies in the area , like this we have a PVE and a PVP frag and everybody is happy ( except the sorc haters)
You should really think about the crystal proc ( i mean ... no , don't remove the crystal proc ,noooooooooooooo , just try to make the crystal blast useful without making the other one garbage )

I'M CALLING FOR ALL THE SORC TO COME HERE, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE FRAG. This is time to judge the sorc, Throw it into the void and thank wrobel ? or save him ? ( only the rune prison cost should be increased , this nerf is enough)

DeadlyRecluse

Deleted, because already covered. Frags not having CC on it is kinda funny. A magic-rock-crystal to the face not knocking you over?

Zer0oo

Tyrion87 wrote: »

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

... I just don't know what to say ... looking at your responses in the threads concerning other classes it seems it's better not to give feedback at all. At least good skills would remain good... You completely missed the point. Again.

Well, at this point i just find it funny. Atleast we will no longer see any comments of op sorc in pvp and now you really need rune prison for pvp.

Also funny that there was no word about the general dps difference between mag and stam chars in trials(10-20%), which is at the moment at the point where mag dds are mostly there to give debuffs to bosses to boost stam dps more or just needed for mechanics or destros.

OdinForge

I mean even if you take away the stun from crystal fragments, no one in their right mind is going to choose crystal blast as it's designed for how PvP works currently.

Taking away the stun on crystal fragments is a joke of a change. Just admit you messed up the design of crystal blast and turn it into a stamina melee morph for the stamsorc kids, and let both have the stun.

Apherius

here you go sorc ,there is a lot of place here ,you can throw your sorc at the left or at the right , and create a NB .

xiZeroPointix

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

The only reason people dont use cystal blast is the cast time. Fear and getting 200% damage increase while striking from stealth with an on demand invisibilty skill is the problem in pvp and NB can fear half a group now. Rune prison was a good balance move towards dk talons. I am on console so testing is left to reading forums. Sorcs have 4 skills to burst opponents, the stun from instant cast frags is very important. Once stam players get close its over for sorcs. But i did see increased burst damage

Minno

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

The only reason people dont use cystal blast is the cast time. Fear and getting 200% damage increase while striking from stealth with an on demand invisibilty skill is the problem in pvp and NB can fear half a group now. Rune prison was a good balance move towards dk talons. I am on console so testing is left to reading forums. Sorcs have 4 skills to burst opponents, the stun from instant cast frags is very important. Once stam players get close its over for sorcs. But i did see increased burst damage

This might not be a terrible idea, it might give cc to everyone in the AOE blast area.

Damnit my templar wants this instead of solar barrage! Lol.

NBrookus

solo sorcs: we don't want to use rune prison because we have tight bar space
zos: make space for rune prison or you'll have no hard CC

xiZeroPointix

I think what wrobel is trying to say is, he is tired of everyone telling him what he should do to his game and the fact that people are never happy with anything the dev team does. Constructive feedback was needed...not a bunch of bickering and fighting amongst the eso community.

Derra

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

Still nobody will use crystal blast.

Minno

Derra wrote: »

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

Still nobody will use crystal blast.

Welcome to the templars world!

Irylia

Not the changes I would have suggested (nerfs or buffs).

Time to adapt and overcome once again.

But for some serious changes, aside from the jokes, can we destroy destro ult and make it have smaller scale uses or something completely different as it is now.

Options:
-scale like prox det
-diff effects based on staff type
1. Inferno single target fireball does initial damage and applies a mark giving the caster minor beserk to the target.
2. Lightning is a conal shock stun with initial damage (db type)
3. Ice creates frost ripples in an aoe that root and deal damage for every one that hits the enemy. Dealing substantially less per each one that hits (ice atro in ic)

Irylia, goblin mag sorc main

CyrusArya

Pretty backwards way to go about making a morph competitive. No one will use Crystal Blast even after this change because the core issues with the skill remain in context of the class and how it plays. If you're gonna go down this route, the skill needs additional buffs to be competitive. As it stands, based on the implied changes, I don't see sorc being competitive at all in even 1v1 match ups. I still plan to make mine work open world though.

My only request is that if the CC from frags is removed, then rune cage not have its cost increased. Sorcs need a viable stun to function. Either nerf frags or nerf rune cage, but nerfing both is excessive.

ak_pvp

w0t.

Though the stun from frags was often blocked, it was still sometime crutch against stopping another bursty class i.e. magblade. No one uses cast time abilities. Also, the cost on rune prison probably won't make it worse than DKs, since DK stun is now melee. For some reason... Well done at another solid job.

Nerf shields.

xiZeroPointix

Irylia wrote: »

Not the changes I would have suggested (nerfs or buffs).

Time to adapt and overcome once again.

But for some serious changes, aside from the jokes, can we destroy destro ult and make it have smaller scale uses or something completely different as it is now.

Options:
-scale like prox det
-diff effects based on staff type
1. Inferno single target fireball does initial damage and applies a mark giving the caster minor beserk to the target.
2. Lightning is a conal shock stun with initial damage (db type)
3. Ice creates frost ripples in an aoe that root and deal damage for every one that hits the enemy. Dealin subsequentially less per each one that hits (ice atro in ic)

Irylia, goblin mag sorc main

I wish people would stop asking for nerfs. Everyone that dies to a skill comes on these forums wants everything nerfed. Tired of reading about it honestly

Alpheu5

Double the damage of Crystal Blast and I'd consider using it.

LMar

Having a skill with a long cast time won't make people use it unless it is worth it
Taking the stun away from the base skill and the frags morph and increasing the cost of rune is a double nerf that is really not needed

usmcjdking

Hskbret best sorc NA.

Drummerx04

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

@Wrobel We seem to be having a communication issue. You don't make more interesting choices for a morph by nerfing the most highly chosen morph in the hopes that the other morph suddenly looks better.

The choice is not between CC + AoE and single target burst... the current choice is between CAST TIME CC + AoE, and instant cast CC.

Note: it's the cast time that is the perceived problem that people can't move past, and that does not change by nerfing crystal frag... it just nerfs crystal frag.

Apherius wrote: »

• Crystal Fragments: Conjure dark crystals to bombard an ennemy dealing X magic damage, Casting any other magicka ability has a 35% chance of causing your next crystals fragments to be instant, deal 20% more damage and cost 50% less magicka, also damage ennemies near the initial target for X magic damage

• Crystal Blast : Conjure dark crystals to bombard an ennemy dealing X magic damage and stunning them for 2 sec, Casting any other magicka ability has a 35% chance of causing your next crystals fragments to be instant , deal 20% more damage and cost 50% less magicka.

THIS is a change that makes for a decent choice. Both morphs gain an instant cast 50% cost reduction and damage increase proc, BUT crystal frag has a CC, and crystal blast deals AoE damage but no CC.

This immediately makes frags look more appealing on average for pvp, and blast look more appealing on average for pve.

@Wrobel I encourage you to reconsider the specific changes you suggested for crystal frags

smacx250

Frags...

Elsonso

xiZeroPointix wrote: »

I think what wrobel is trying to say is, he is tired of everyone telling him what he should do to his game and the fact that people are never happy with anything the dev team does. Constructive feedback was needed...not a bunch of bickering and fighting amongst the eso community.

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Frags not having CC on it is kinda funny. A magic-rock-crystal to the face not knocking you over?

I think what Wrobel is trying to say, even if not intentionally, is that his team does not have an overall template for the classes and skills. They balance and tweak them against each other solely based on how they play against each other, and they don't really have a baseline design for the skills.

dpencil1

Drummerx04 wrote: »

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

We’d like to touch on a couple things we’re looking to iterate on for this class. First, some of you have mentioned that the Summon Charged Atronach AoE can occasionally miss targets that are right next to it. To address this, we plan to change the AoE pattern to a single circle instead of 5 small circles. We’ve also seen reports of an issue with Overload where the bound armor can persist even when it’s not on your bar; we’re investigating this issue.

Lastly, we’ve seen some of you mention that the new Rune Prison is quite powerful in PVP - we’re looking at adjusting the cost to help counter this. In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

@Wrobel We seem to be having a communication issue. You don't make more interesting choices for a morph by nerfing the most highly chosen morph in the hopes that the other morph suddenly looks better.

The choice is not between CC + AoE and single target burst... the current choice is between CAST TIME CC + AoE, and instant cast CC.

Note: it's the cast time that is the perceived problem that people can't move past, and that does not change by nerfing crystal frag... it just nerfs crystal frag.

Apherius wrote: »

• Crystal Fragments: Conjure dark crystals to bombard an ennemy dealing X magic damage, Casting any other magicka ability has a 35% chance of causing your next crystals fragments to be instant, deal 20% more damage and cost 50% less magicka, also damage ennemies near the initial target for X magic damage

• Crystal Blast : Conjure dark crystals to bombard an ennemy dealing X magic damage and stunning them for 2 sec, Casting any other magicka ability has a 35% chance of causing your next crystals fragments to be instant , deal 20% more damage and cost 50% less magicka.

THIS is a change that makes for a decent choice. Both morphs gain an instant cast 50% cost reduction and damage increase proc, BUT crystal frag has a CC, and crystal blast deals AoE damage but no CC.

This immediately makes frags look more appealing on average for pvp, and blast look more appealing on average for pve.

@Wrobel I encourage you to reconsider the specific changes you suggested for crystal frags

^ What he said.

dpencil1

Just for a moment, let's imagine an ESO where every skill with a cast time is converted into either an instant cast ability or a channel, and a heavy attack on any weapon takes 1.2 seconds to complete (with appropriate rebalancing to damage/regen of skills and weapon attacks, obviously).

Can you say "fast-paced gameplay"?

SodanTok

I am all for sorc nerfs as the other guy but when will ZoS finally realize that people

1. do not want to use cast time abilities
2. can not use cast time abilities (both with and without existence of Miat addon)

dark flare, snipe, crystal blast... what do they have in common other than cast time? Smart people do not use them (unless they have to because you did not give them any other tool)

Elsonso

ZOS_Wrobel wrote: »

In addition, we’ve been evaluating the Crystal Shard skill line and its morphs and are planning to make some adjustments. The base stun component is going to be removed from the ability and instead placed on the Crystal Blast morph. This will make the choice between Crystal Fragments and Crystal Blast much more interesting as you are choosing between a CC and AoE damage vs. increased burst damage.

Thanks for taking the time to hop on the PTS and test out the changes so far!

@ZOS_Wrobel ... Please reconsider. This is an early stun for new characters, and new players, that allows them to trade some casting time for the ability to gain control over multiple attackers. It is one of the first skills I take for all new Sorcerer characters because the stun significantly aids lower level characters.