How to balance Mag Sorcs ?

humpalicous

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

vpy wrote: »

Since we all agree the damage and burst of Mag Sorcs is way overboard (especially in PVP) I am thinking of some ideas to level the playground...:)

What do you guys think we should do ?

UPDATE : Mates looks like this thread is being observed by higher powers as such please provide your feedback as to how imbalance Mag Sorc has become

Stop overreacting, they are fine.

Apherius

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

RedFireDisco wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Increase shattering blows in the cp tree to 50% instead of 25% fixed.

This.

Solved!

The art of solving a problem by destroying the source .

or maybe ... 100% ? seriously ... just remove our shields , give us a class spammable instead , give us the infinite streak back ... and we will lost our tankyness and be a " burst class " with mobility like the NB

Chilly-McFreeze

ak_pvp wrote: »

ITT crybaby sorcs upset that the FOTY class might get nerfed.

Sorcs have the best;

Mobility, sustain, damage (burst and sustained), 2 executes, tankiness and decent healing.

Shields need to be crittable, or have a penalty on stacking them somehow like increased cost, or diminishing returns. And the implosion passive needs to be changed, removed or given to DKs.

Wow. Just wow.

Dozends of complains that Implosion is oh so unfair because you would have survived 100% when it wouldn't have procced. Dozends of posts from actual sorcs that rather trade that passive for something reliable. And I came to the conclusion that Implosion might actual should be removed from the game.

But then there is this guy who first let's shine through how OP implosion is but then will keep it for some other class. Either it is OP and should be dealt with or it's not and can leave as it is.

The only time I think it's a problem is when it procs from a DoT that wouldn't have killed someone below 3.5k health or whatever 15% is on your char. That might is an issue. But when it procs from wrath or pulse you would be done anyway. So instead of removing this we give it to a class that throws dots around to no end? Will definitely make the teardrops stop.

BTW I would even faster trade Implosion for an stamina based class execute or spammable. Sucks to completely build your playstyle around what options your two weapons gives you.

And surely, make shields crittable. But only if they take armor mitigation into account AND can crit themself. Or remove shieldstacking and remove streak/BoL fatigue as well.

Bashev

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

ITT crybaby sorcs upset that the FOTY class might get nerfed.

Sorcs have the best;

Mobility, sustain, damage (burst and sustained), 2 executes, tankiness and decent healing.

Shields need to be crittable, or have a penalty on stacking them somehow like increased cost, or diminishing returns. And the implosion passive needs to be changed, removed or given to DKs.

Wow. Just wow.

Dozends of complains that Implosion is oh so unfair because you would have survived 100% when it wouldn't have procced. Dozends of posts from actual sorcs that rather trade that passive for something reliable. And I came to the conclusion that Implosion might actual should be removed from the game.

But then there is this guy who first let's shine through how OP implosion is but then will keep it for some other class. Either it is OP and should be dealt with or it's not and can leave as it is.

The only time I think it's a problem is when it procs from a DoT that wouldn't have killed someone below 3.5k health or whatever 15% is on your char. That might is an issue. But when it procs from wrath or pulse you would be done anyway. So instead of removing this we give it to a class that throws dots around to no end? Will definitely make the teardrops stop.

BTW I would even faster trade Implosion for an stamina based class execute or spammable. Sucks to completely build your playstyle around what options your two weapons gives you.

And surely, make shields crittable. But only if they take armor mitigation into account AND can crit themself. Or remove shieldstacking and remove streak/BoL fatigue as well.

Implosion is strong because it can proc on DoT, ground DoT or a skill that I blocked. There are tons of situations where the skill is super useful to bring targets down and of course it is not so strong vs shield stacking. But if I am on low health and I block then it can proc or if I try to roll dodge and miss all skills except the ground AoEs or heavy light staff attack it can proc.

STEVIL

Tonturri wrote: »

I have a ferocious, holy hatred for Implosion and would rather something that's more consistent. A small chance to instantly kill someone who was going to die anyway is not a passive I find at all useful.

Partially because I'm going to kill them anyway so the passive is of no use to me, and partially because when people see it on their death recap they think it's OP. Change it to give a flat damage reduction (no armor or spell res, just, say...minor protection?) when standing in that lightning pool thingy sorcs use in pve.

If they would replace implosion with overtime (3/6s delay in the shut-off of a toggle when you bar swap to a bar without it so you can swap out, buff, swap back and keep the toggles going if you are quick enough) i would be thrilled.

pieratsos

Bashev wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

ITT crybaby sorcs upset that the FOTY class might get nerfed.

Sorcs have the best;

Mobility, sustain, damage (burst and sustained), 2 executes, tankiness and decent healing.

Shields need to be crittable, or have a penalty on stacking them somehow like increased cost, or diminishing returns. And the implosion passive needs to be changed, removed or given to DKs.

Wow. Just wow.

Dozends of complains that Implosion is oh so unfair because you would have survived 100% when it wouldn't have procced. Dozends of posts from actual sorcs that rather trade that passive for something reliable. And I came to the conclusion that Implosion might actual should be removed from the game.

But then there is this guy who first let's shine through how OP implosion is but then will keep it for some other class. Either it is OP and should be dealt with or it's not and can leave as it is.

The only time I think it's a problem is when it procs from a DoT that wouldn't have killed someone below 3.5k health or whatever 15% is on your char. That might is an issue. But when it procs from wrath or pulse you would be done anyway. So instead of removing this we give it to a class that throws dots around to no end? Will definitely make the teardrops stop.

BTW I would even faster trade Implosion for an stamina based class execute or spammable. Sucks to completely build your playstyle around what options your two weapons gives you.

And surely, make shields crittable. But only if they take armor mitigation into account AND can crit themself. Or remove shieldstacking and remove streak/BoL fatigue as well.

Implosion is strong because it can proc on DoT, ground DoT or a skill that I blocked. There are tons of situations where the skill is super useful to bring targets down and of course it is not so strong vs shield stacking. But if I am on low health and I block then it can proc or if I try to roll dodge and miss all skills except the ground AoEs or heavy light staff attack it can proc.

Implosion on a mag sorc isnt as nearly as effective as on a stamsorc. On a stamsorc it can be an issue cause everything they do can proc it and they can deal consistent dmg with hurricane and dots. A mag sorc is a whole different story. Its timed burst and It procs on lightning that means either endless fury or force pulse and only procs under 15% hp. At that % endless fury already executed you. 9 times out of 10 implosion procs but endless fury already did the job. And if implosion can kill you through block so does endless fury.

technohic

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Shields- Need to be critable

Streak- Fine as is, leave it alone

Implosion- Slightly overpowered, Only needs a slight adjustment in PvP by reducing it's damage. It shouldn't be hitting as ridiculously hard as it is for just a free passive execution

I can agree on the execute on fury needing toned down but while adding to its front end damage to make it a sorc spammable. And I could see toning down implosion; but crittable shields alone would be too much. Would kill light armore.


I instead would say make shields crit able but remove the shield debuffs in PVP so they are full strength and do not have a time limit, but then also make them unable to stack.

This would make for better gameplay IMO as the caster can still use light armor and not have to recast over and over (not fun IMO) just traveling around yet enable them to be taken out. To get some damage through with crit sand no secondary shield to catch the overflow. Part of this could be my own bias as I have not been using shields on my sorc as I do not like the play style. Lover everything else about it.

Zvorgin

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

lucky_Sage

biggest problem is harness and harded combined if you couldn't use both at same time it wouldn't be a problem with sorcs mobility only have harded and healing ward would be fine that's how all other light armor build have there main defense they have 2 10k shields I think the best way to balance shields is to make them critable and they crit themselves

all proc should be removed from game every set every ability that procs every passive rng should not have a influence in a action combat only one should be in game is crit

max_only

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

@Zvorgin I'm not being sarcastic, genuine question. What skills do you use to reflect back? All I can think of is reflective scales, but not everyone is a dk.

Looking up skills I found 1h&s skills Spell Wall and Defensive Stance... is that what you meant?

Beardimus

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

So sorc sets are getting nerfed maybe people will STFU now

Biro123

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Beardimus wrote: »

So sore sets are getting needed maybe people will STFU now

Wont happen. It didn't when trainee and BSW were nerfed, and pirate skelly was nerfed for sorcs, nor when the dark conversion changes made any sets which return both resources less effective.

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

pieratsos

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Last time i checked BOL, dragons blood and vigor scale with max stats too. And btw nice joke about the 30k+ shields.

Chilly-McFreeze

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

pieratsos wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Last time i checked BOL, dragons blood and vigor scale with max stats too. And btw nice joke about the 30k+ shields.

Force pulse is undoubtedly undodgeable, go actually play the game before making uniformed comments.


As for heals HAh, You can knock someone down using a heal and completely obliterate them before the heal has time to take effect. Also Major defile affects them and your critical attacks can null the heal


Try doing that to shields, You can't

[Edit for flaming]

Shushu_H

I wouldn't want to ruin their kit like what happened to DK for a while. The class identity is speedy ranged dd. I'll say they are just a little bit too good with how shield stacking is, but with all the ways to attack direct health in the game NOW I would say we will have a huge problem across all classes if shields get hit hard.

There is knight slayer, oblivion enchant, shattering blows, and shield breaker. I say if they are going to change shields then all of that needs to be addressed as well, and isn't that a bit much with some of that just recently being introduced to the game I just don't see it happening without crippling Sorcs. They would be crippled because they would have all 4 of those things to deal with then also a weaker shield if shields get nerfed.

Malamar1229

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

how about the fact light armor passives suck in terms in dmg mitigation/defense and the fact their mobility was nerfed straight to hell?

L2P

Biro123

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

pieratsos wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Last time i checked BOL, dragons blood and vigor scale with max stats too. And btw nice joke about the 30k+ shields.

You two are mentally challenged


Force pulse is undoubtedly undodgeable, go actually play the game before making uniformed comments.


As for heals HAh, You can knock someone down using a heal and completely obliterate them before the heal has time to take effect. Also Major defile affects them and your critical attacks can null the heal


Try doing that to shields, You can't

That's kind of exactly how you beat a sorc.. knock em down as they're about to re-shield then burst the crap out of that 10k resist/no-impen light armour.

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Biro123 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

pieratsos wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Last time i checked BOL, dragons blood and vigor scale with max stats too. And btw nice joke about the 30k+ shields.

You two are mentally challenged


Force pulse is undoubtedly undodgeable, go actually play the game before making uniformed comments.


As for heals HAh, You can knock someone down using a heal and completely obliterate them before the heal has time to take effect. Also Major defile affects them and your critical attacks can null the heal


Try doing that to shields, You can't

That's kind of exactly how you beat a sorc.. knock em down as they're about to re-shield then burst the crap out of that 10k resist/no-impen light armour.

While this is true, Shield stacking makes this Nigh on impossible as good sorcs alternate shields at different times so that if one is about to run out, the other shield won't expire.


It requires incredible amounts of concentration and resource sustainability to actually kill a sorc with shield stacking. And because of this everyone else has to sacrifice in order to achieve this capability. Mag sorcs do not have to sacrifice damage for sustainability. Because their damage is their sustain.


Shields are to powerful even if your geared specifically for it and put all CP into counterplay for shield stacking. You effectively lose any capacity to fight anyone else. Sorcs have it all and their damage works universally

Waffennacht

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

You most DEFINITELY can dodge Pulse

Edit: it's unreflectable only, like all "beams"

max_only

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

What scales?

pieratsos

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

pieratsos wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Last time i checked BOL, dragons blood and vigor scale with max stats too. And btw nice joke about the 30k+ shields.

You two are mentally challenged


Force pulse is undoubtedly undodgeable, go actually play the game before making uniformed comments.


As for heals HAh, You can knock someone down using a heal and completely obliterate them before the heal has time to take effect. Also Major defile affects them and your critical attacks can null the heal


Try doing that to shields, You can't

Insulting people doesnt boost ur argument either. You have no idea about what ur talking about and u already proved that by wanting to nerf every single light armor build in the game because u dont like sorcs. Just stay out of it. You are embarrassing urself.

ChildOfLight

max_only wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

What scales?

Dragon Fire Scale. Dk Draconic Power tree skill.

4k magika cost.

Cost/efficiency wise dead, if you are a stam. based char.

KramUzibra

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Electrone_Magnus wrote: »

If you think mag sorc is easy mode and can't be killed why not play one yourself?

Lol I do, which is why I agree it's easy mode.

Grimhallow

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Yeah, I have a feeling that Mag Sorc is perceived as much stronger than it actually feels to play.

Having Full Health does not necessarily mean that a sorc isn't feeling pressure.
Implosion (which 95% of the time procs on dead men walking) is not nearly as useful as people seem to think.

A bad sorc is the easiest thing to kill in PvP, a good sorc one of the more difficult.
To me that says learn to play more than just about anything.

Hurika

Make shields a buff that causes blocking to drain magicka instead of stamina.
or
If the shield won't let crit damage in, then it shouldn't let crit damage out. Choose to offense or defense but not both.
or
No magicka regen while a shield is up - have to actually think before casting instead of running around spamming it.
or
Shield size based on health
or
Shield absorbs 50% of inc damage, the other goes to health. Avoids perma protecting health bar - have to actually heal to stay alive.
or
Shield is a ground target buff for the caster - absorb all damage while in the buff area.You get damage, defense, but lose mobility. Can't have everything.
or
Shield has a 1.5s cast time
or
pick any 1 of a million things that bring it more down to earth without destroying the class.

Waffennacht

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

They be fine

pieratsos

Hurika wrote: »

Make shields a buff that causes blocking to drain magicka instead of stamina.
or
If the shield won't let crit damage in, then it shouldn't let crit damage out. Choose to offense or defense but not both.
or
No magicka regen while a shield is up - have to actually think before casting instead of running around spamming it.
or
Shield size based on health
or
Shield absorbs 50% of inc damage, the other goes to health. Avoids perma protecting health bar - have to actually heal to stay alive.
or
Shield is a ground target buff for the caster - absorb all damage while in the buff area.You get damage, defense, but lose mobility. Can't have everything.
or
Shield has a 1.5s cast time
or
pick any 1 of a million things that bring it more down to earth without destroying the class.

Or maybe just remove shieldstacking which actually is the problem instead of nerfing the sorc shield which is the only defence they have. Its common sense.

max_only

ChildOfLight wrote: »

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All that range burst is great until you reflect it back at them, counterplay exists, use it.

The only ability sorcs use than can be reflected is crystal shards, and can be inst-casted to hit before wings can even be popped


Also every sorc with a brain is using force pulse an Unreflectable & UNDODGEABLE spammable...

Where's that counterplay again?


Oh right all that's left is for everyone to use magic shields, that sorcs will utilize 100% more effectively because THEY have shields that scale to their max Magic upwards of 30k plus shields even with the cyrodiil DEBUF. No one can even come close to that ...


Really solid counterplay there

Rarely I find a gem like this, but when I do, it's in a nerf sorc thread.

Every experienced PvP'er will know when a sorc fires of their crystal shard. It's the moment when Curse will go off. So either dodge then or use your scales a second before the curse proc.

Neither is Force Pulse undodgeable nor is it a Sorc exclusive.

Heals, attacks, etc. all scale with max stats.

30K+ shields.. of course...

What scales?

Dragon Fire Scale. Dk Draconic Power tree skill.

4k magika cost.

Cost/efficiency wise dead, if you are a stam. based char.

And if you aren't DK?