How to balance Mag Sorcs ?

Apherius

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

The other classes need serious buffing and reworking to be on par with magsorcs. Whether it be active skills, damage output, or passives, most of the other mag classes can't perform as well. I think magDKs are up there, but the issue is that they're melee, while sorcs can stand a fair distance away.

you are talking about DPS in pve right? I Agree , all class should be able to put the same dps , But the issue is that the DK stay the Best tanking class ! say me if you have ever seen a sorcerer tank doing VhoF , and Templar the best Healing class ,and i can swear you that this would be very fustrating for players who play sorc in main to see these Templar / dk able to put as much dps as them and also be able to tank or heal simply by switching their cp's and remorph their skills . while the sorcerer can only dps .
Of course it's possible for the sorcerer to tank or heal ... but not as good as the dk and the templar , even if they are very strong .. they could be stronger with the good class , and it's exactly the same problem with dps , templar and dk can dps very well AND are accepted in HL raid , but their dps are not as good as the sorcerer dps .

Savos_Saren

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Buff other classes (or introduce skills/item sets) to achieve fair gameplay and balance:

-Give MagPlars a decent CC.
-Give mDKs and Wardens an execute.
-Give a stamina-based "purge" ability.
-Give mWardens a gapcloser.
-Provide a something that allows Templars and DKs the ability to use Necropotence. (they have no access to "pets")

I'm not one to cry for Nerfs. But, at least allow everyone to have access to common abilities through weapon skills, guild skills, or armor sets.

At this moment , if you want everyone to have acess to common abilities , magsorc should get a spammable.

They have access to a spammable magicka-based attacks. MagSorcs use Force Pulse all the time. Heck, Sorcs even spam Mage's Fury in Cyro/BG for those killing blows. (Noob move, I know.) They're not completely restricted from a magicka-based spammable ability. Unlike a mDK is completely restricted from a magicka-based execute. None-whatsoever.

ParaNostram

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Apherius

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

jaburns wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Buff other classes (or introduce skills/item sets) to achieve fair gameplay and balance:

-Give MagPlars a decent CC.
-Give mDKs and Wardens an execute.
-Give a stamina-based "purge" ability.
-Give mWardens a gapcloser.
-Provide a something that allows Templars and DKs the ability to use Necropotence. (they have no access to "pets")

I'm not one to cry for Nerfs. But, at least allow everyone to have access to common abilities through weapon skills, guild skills, or armor sets.

At this moment , if you want everyone to have acess to common abilities , magsorc should get a spammable.

They have access to a spammable magicka-based attacks. MagSorcs use Force Pulse all the time. Heck, Sorcs even spam Mage's Fury in Cyro/BG for those killing blows. (Noob move, I know.) They're not completely restricted from a magicka-based spammable ability. Unlike a mDK is completely restricted from a magicka-based execute. None-whatsoever.

MWardens also have acess to a gapcloser , critical rush ... invasion , so i deduced that you was talking about class skill ( or not ? my bad ) . i know that the sorcerer have acess to force pulse but it's a weapon spammable , but a new ( class skill ) melee spamable could obblige sorcerer to be melee and fix these damn " range should not be able to pull more dps than melee " thread .

Biro123

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Looks like I've missed some fun.

Fwiw, I don't like implosion and wouldn't mind losing it.

That said the single biggest thing wrong with implosion is that its damage procs BEFORE the ability that applied it - just like viper. So when average Joe with 20k health drops below 15%. (Below 3k), and gets hit by a crushing shock, they only see the implosion damage, and don't see the damage from CS that would have killed them anyway if implosion hadn't procced.

Its purely a tool to make potatoes cry.

Savos_Saren

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Buff other classes (or introduce skills/item sets) to achieve fair gameplay and balance:

-Give MagPlars a decent CC.
-Give mDKs and Wardens an execute.
-Give a stamina-based "purge" ability.
-Give mWardens a gapcloser.
-Provide a something that allows Templars and DKs the ability to use Necropotence. (they have no access to "pets")

I'm not one to cry for Nerfs. But, at least allow everyone to have access to common abilities through weapon skills, guild skills, or armor sets.

At this moment , if you want everyone to have acess to common abilities , magsorc should get a spammable.

They have access to a spammable magicka-based attacks. MagSorcs use Force Pulse all the time. Heck, Sorcs even spam Mage's Fury in Cyro/BG for those killing blows. (Noob move, I know.) They're not completely restricted from a magicka-based spammable ability. Unlike a mDK is completely restricted from a magicka-based execute. None-whatsoever.

MWardens also have acess to a gapcloser , critical rush ... invasion , so i deduced that you was talking about class skill ( or not ? my bad ) . i know that the sorcerer have acess to force pulse but it's a weapon spammable , but a new ( class skill ) melee spamable could obblige sorcerer to be melee and fix these damn " range should not be able to pull more dps than melee " thread .

If you'll notice in my post- it's referring to abilities based off various resource pools. That's why I used terms like "MagPlar and mWarden" the same with "...stamina-based purge..."

mWardens don't have access to a combat gap closer that isn't stamina-based.

I'm not sure who thinks that ranged shouldn't pull more DPS than melee. I think all DDs should all pull decent DPS... that's why ZoS breaks up the three categores for DPS, tanking, and healing.

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

All these sorcs defending the most overpowered class in the game


F it. Ima just make one and go with it. If enough people play one it'll finally get nerfed when no one is playing anything else.

DeHei

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

jaburns wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Buff other classes (or introduce skills/item sets) to achieve fair gameplay and balance:

-Give MagPlars a decent CC.
-Give mDKs and Wardens an execute.
-Give a stamina-based "purge" ability.
-Give mWardens a gapcloser.
-Provide a something that allows Templars and DKs the ability to use Necropotence. (they have no access to "pets")

I'm not one to cry for Nerfs. But, at least allow everyone to have access to common abilities through weapon skills, guild skills, or armor sets.

At this moment , if you want everyone to have acess to common abilities , magsorc should get a spammable.

They have access to a spammable magicka-based attacks. MagSorcs use Force Pulse all the time. Heck, Sorcs even spam Mage's Fury in Cyro/BG for those killing blows. (Noob move, I know.) They're not completely restricted from a magicka-based spammable ability. Unlike a mDK is completely restricted from a magicka-based execute. None-whatsoever.

With next patch and nice setup, this forcepulse will be very good with proccing all effects on the target. Magicka sorcs and Magicka Warden will rule with it, if there CP choosen right! Maybe Nightblades can do it too, but DKs and Templar need much points into traumaturge and dont have access to use force pulse well...

Apherius

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

DeHei wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Buff other classes (or introduce skills/item sets) to achieve fair gameplay and balance:

-Give MagPlars a decent CC.
-Give mDKs and Wardens an execute.
-Give a stamina-based "purge" ability.
-Give mWardens a gapcloser.
-Provide a something that allows Templars and DKs the ability to use Necropotence. (they have no access to "pets")

I'm not one to cry for Nerfs. But, at least allow everyone to have access to common abilities through weapon skills, guild skills, or armor sets.

At this moment , if you want everyone to have acess to common abilities , magsorc should get a spammable.

They have access to a spammable magicka-based attacks. MagSorcs use Force Pulse all the time. Heck, Sorcs even spam Mage's Fury in Cyro/BG for those killing blows. (Noob move, I know.) They're not completely restricted from a magicka-based spammable ability. Unlike a mDK is completely restricted from a magicka-based execute. None-whatsoever.

With next patch and nice setup, this forcepulse will be very good with proccing all effects on the target. Magicka sorcs and Magicka Warden will rule with it, if there CP choosen right! Maybe Nightblades can do it too, but DKs and Templar need much points into traumaturge and dont have access to use force pulse well...

what are you talking about ?

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

@ZOS_GinaBruno



A look into this from the PvP developers would be appreciated

DeHei

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Apherius wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Buff other classes (or introduce skills/item sets) to achieve fair gameplay and balance:

-Give MagPlars a decent CC.
-Give mDKs and Wardens an execute.
-Give a stamina-based "purge" ability.
-Give mWardens a gapcloser.
-Provide a something that allows Templars and DKs the ability to use Necropotence. (they have no access to "pets")

I'm not one to cry for Nerfs. But, at least allow everyone to have access to common abilities through weapon skills, guild skills, or armor sets.

At this moment , if you want everyone to have acess to common abilities , magsorc should get a spammable.

They have access to a spammable magicka-based attacks. MagSorcs use Force Pulse all the time. Heck, Sorcs even spam Mage's Fury in Cyro/BG for those killing blows. (Noob move, I know.) They're not completely restricted from a magicka-based spammable ability. Unlike a mDK is completely restricted from a magicka-based execute. None-whatsoever.

With next patch and nice setup, this forcepulse will be very good with proccing all effects on the target. Magicka sorcs and Magicka Warden will rule with it, if there CP choosen right! Maybe Nightblades can do it too, but DKs and Templar need much points into traumaturge and dont have access to use force pulse well...

what are you talking about ?

We have 3 classes who have many class skill, which are buffed over master at arms and not over traumaturge. Force Pulse is buffed over Master at arms too.
Especially Magicka Sorcs nearly have ony skills, which damage is increased only from master at arms.

When you interested and readed a lot things in theorycrafting last time, you will know, that all weapontraits can be useful. For example charged together with a elementarenchant and force pulse will grant you nearly 100% uptime for 2-3 statuseffects on your focustarget. This can bring amazing damage. That is the point i speak about... Maybe this is as more effective as infused next patch. But only when your build and your CP works well with force pulse.

Diminish

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Nerf nerf threads please. They are way to OP.

Bryong9ub17_ESO

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Another PvP cry baby post...

You do relize that a nerf would hurt PvE right? Which is a larger population.

Learn to play your class and you wont have a problem.

Apherius

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

DeHei wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

DeHei wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

jaburns wrote: »

Buff other classes (or introduce skills/item sets) to achieve fair gameplay and balance:

-Give MagPlars a decent CC.
-Give mDKs and Wardens an execute.
-Give a stamina-based "purge" ability.
-Give mWardens a gapcloser.
-Provide a something that allows Templars and DKs the ability to use Necropotence. (they have no access to "pets")

I'm not one to cry for Nerfs. But, at least allow everyone to have access to common abilities through weapon skills, guild skills, or armor sets.

At this moment , if you want everyone to have acess to common abilities , magsorc should get a spammable.

They have access to a spammable magicka-based attacks. MagSorcs use Force Pulse all the time. Heck, Sorcs even spam Mage's Fury in Cyro/BG for those killing blows. (Noob move, I know.) They're not completely restricted from a magicka-based spammable ability. Unlike a mDK is completely restricted from a magicka-based execute. None-whatsoever.

With next patch and nice setup, this forcepulse will be very good with proccing all effects on the target. Magicka sorcs and Magicka Warden will rule with it, if there CP choosen right! Maybe Nightblades can do it too, but DKs and Templar need much points into traumaturge and dont have access to use force pulse well...

what are you talking about ?

We have 3 classes who have many class skill, which are buffed over master at arms and not over traumaturge. Force Pulse is buffed over Master at arms too.
Especially Magicka Sorcs nearly have ony skills, which damage is increased only from master at arms.

When you interested and readed a lot things in theorycrafting last time, you will know, that all weapontraits can be useful. For example charged together with a elementarenchant and force pulse will grant you nearly 100% uptime for 2-3 statuseffects on your focustarget. This can bring amazing damage. That is the point i speak about... Maybe this is as more effective as infused next patch. But only when your build and your CP works well with force pulse.

nice to know ! thank !

Apherius

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Give me class change token plz ... cause all my achievement are on my sorcerer , i can't suffer all these " nerf sorc thread " again and again ...

• nerf streak will make a lot of players remorph this skill and take the one who absorb projectile, this will result on a pile of thread about " Nerf ball of lightning ! to OP "
• Nerf shield by making them unstackable will make us unable to use hardened ward + healing ward simultaneously
  ... and a lot of players will use the healing morph of pets ... this will result on a pile of thread about " Pets are healing to much !!! " " Pets are doing too much damage ! i take something like 1K damage ! OP OP OP " and " i can't target the players cause there is pets in front of him ! " of course these thread that should all deserve a " L2P " will get the support of all the sorcerer haters ... and 5 month later we will get criticable damage on our shields ... then the bastion star will be nerf ...

All these sorcerer haters are litteraly killing the pleasure of a lot of players simply by creating these thread ... that will make ZOS nerf the sorcerer again and again and again just for please these players ... and no matter how we will rework our builds for make the sorcerer a bit viable again ... there will always be too OP for these damn sorcerer haters because they don't want to see the truth in front and L2P ...

RedFireDisco

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Why is it so hard for some people to realize that many of us have more than one character.

All my VMa gear comes from my sorc for a reason.

These threads don't keep happening because the best players are all sorcs, it's because that sorcs have more tools than everyone.

Dps should be the squishiest (RE: NB).

L2P is a weak distraction that could be turned on its head by asking why not play something other than sorc then?

Ishammael

Implosion and mages fury... Pick one for mSorc, not both.

ak_pvp

Nerf Mag Sorcs a bit while slightly buffing up other classes

Electrone_Magnus wrote: »

If you think mag sorc is easy mode and can't be killed why not play one yourself?

OK then, procs are fine, buff them and we can all run them, yes?

ak_pvp

Nerf Mag Sorcs a bit while slightly buffing up other classes

ITT crybaby sorcs upset that the FOTY class might get nerfed.

Sorcs have the best;

Mobility, sustain, damage (burst and sustained), 2 executes, tankiness and decent healing.

Shields need to be crittable, or have a penalty on stacking them somehow like increased cost, or diminishing returns. And the implosion passive needs to be changed, removed or given to DKs.

ak_pvp

Nerf Mag Sorcs a bit while slightly buffing up other classes

Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »

Another PvP cry baby post...

You do relize that a nerf would hurt PvE right? Which is a larger population.

Learn to play your class and you wont have a problem.

Another crybaby carebear sorc who doesn't want their precious clas to be touched, no matter that they are blatently overperforming, waaaah. Sorcs in trial scenarios for some silly reason have the highest DPS... even though they are ranged. A slight nerf wouldn't hurt. But nerfing shieldstacking, a tool that makes them tankier than many heavy armour users, would not hurt PvE, would it.

ak_pvp

Nerf Mag Sorcs a bit while slightly buffing up other classes

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Unreal Mag Sorc is the most nerfed class in the game by a long shot and it still isn't enough either. It will never end I swear

My mag nightblade is every bit as strong as my mag Sorc, in some ways he is stronger. My mag blade can face tank people without shields in light armor and duel staffs where my Sorc would be dead in the same conditions with no shields...did I mention my Soul Hsrvest hits heavy impen targets for 10k or so and is up all the time?

My point is EVERY class and Sorc is as strong as Mag Sorc if built and played to their strengths.

You keep asking for needs your going to end up with a game no one wants to play, with solo play killed off completely and nothing viable but zergs. Just let it go already

Everything about your point is wrong. DK is the most nerfed class. (Inferno, talons, chain height nerf, leap2keep length "fix" still not tuned back, scale nerfed to ***, cinder nerf, Igneous nerf, combustion nerf, helping hands nerf to stam, battle roar nerf.)

Not sure how a light armour magblade can apparently "facetank" with staves. Oh, wait, it can't. Magblade is strong if played well, but that is utter ***.

Sorc had negate nerfed but it still provides some of the best group utility. 10% frags damage nerf, and streak nerf. (Your flair is off too, since NBs were punished for using cloak since near everything used to break it, DKs are punished for using wings since it reflects little. Fwiw I say unnerf streak but nerf shields, sorcs should be mobile, not tanks.) Can't forget the .2 sec addition to dark deal. ruined. Now look at the pet buff, the buff to curse, the fact that pulse is unreflectable. Add that to everything sorc has, and they are by far the easiest safety blanket class in ESO. Just look at the amount of people playing magsorc, the scoreboards, and how they are mvp in PvE dps.

vpy

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Mates

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Morgul667

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Is this still going on ? Can we move on or something ?

WeylandLabs

Increase shattering blows in the cp tree to 50% instead of 25% fixed.

DeHei

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

ak_pvp wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Unreal Mag Sorc is the most nerfed class in the game by a long shot and it still isn't enough either. It will never end I swear

My mag nightblade is every bit as strong as my mag Sorc, in some ways he is stronger. My mag blade can face tank people without shields in light armor and duel staffs where my Sorc would be dead in the same conditions with no shields...did I mention my Soul Hsrvest hits heavy impen targets for 10k or so and is up all the time?

My point is EVERY class and Sorc is as strong as Mag Sorc if built and played to their strengths.

You keep asking for needs your going to end up with a game no one wants to play, with solo play killed off completely and nothing viable but zergs. Just let it go already

Everything about your point is wrong. DK is the most nerfed class. (Inferno, talons, chain height nerf, leap2keep length "fix" still not tuned back, scale nerfed to ***, cinder nerf, Igneous nerf, combustion nerf, helping hands nerf to stam, battle roar nerf.)

Not sure how a light armour magblade can apparently "facetank" with staves. Oh, wait, it can't. Magblade is strong if played well, but that is utter ***.

Sorc had negate nerfed but it still provides some of the best group utility. 10% frags damage nerf, and streak nerf. (Your flair is off too, since NBs were punished for using cloak since near everything used to break it, DKs are punished for using wings since it reflects little. Fwiw I say unnerf streak but nerf shields, sorcs should be mobile, not tanks.) Can't forget the .2 sec addition to dark deal. ruined. Now look at the pet buff, the buff to curse, the fact that pulse is unreflectable. Add that to everything sorc has, and they are by far the easiest safety blanket class in ESO. Just look at the amount of people playing magsorc, the scoreboards, and how they are mvp in PvE dps.

Templar are nerfed like hell too... The list of changed to more worse is very long...

RedFireDisco

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Increase shattering blows in the cp tree to 50% instead of 25% fixed.

This.

Solved!

scipionumatia

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Araviel2 wrote: »

with the upcoming changes to weapon traits i think its fine for now.
Sharpen nerf hurts magica player more than any other as we need penetration to fight stamina players.
Stamina players on the other hand does not need as much penetration to fight magica.

lets wait and see how it plays out.

@Araviel2 this is exactly what I've been saying! Since the sharpened meta is in the can, infused and nirnhoned will be the go to of choice for pvp and that will effect shields. Hitting a damage shield user with a sharp weapon is like hitting them with a weapon with no trait at all. Really happy for impending changes

Biro123

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

scipionumatia wrote: »

Araviel2 wrote: »

with the upcoming changes to weapon traits i think its fine for now.
Sharpen nerf hurts magica player more than any other as we need penetration to fight stamina players.
Stamina players on the other hand does not need as much penetration to fight magica.

lets wait and see how it plays out.

@Araviel2 this is exactly what I've been saying! Since the sharpened meta is in the can, infused and nirnhoned will be the go to of choice for pvp and that will effect shields. Hitting a damage shield user with a sharp weapon is like hitting them with a weapon with no trait at all. Really happy for impending changes

And there's the infused/oblivion changes too.

It gets old saying this, but you don't have to nerf a class directly to nerf it, and sorcs keep getting the indirect nerfs (pirate skeleton?). Just most seem to either simply not understand the impact, be in denial that their crusade may be groundless, or are simply just seriously need to learn to play.

Azurya

Nerf Mag Sorcs to the same level as other classes

NERF them, like you NERFED my Stamblades
I SAY TOTAL NERF to SORC

no, lets have a stop at NERFS, it sickings me every Patch with all those changes at mechanics, balancing
playing the ElderScrollsLoadingScreens ever since openBeta
and the way my Stambaldes were NERFED sucks, but still I say stop it now
enough is enough
don´t know who much longer players will take this
at some point they will just go and play somewhere else
like I did by leaving WoW, and here it is getting close too
enough is enough

pieratsos

vpy wrote: »

Mates

Looks this thread is under radar and being observed by higher powers as such please provide your feedback with respect to how imba Mag Sorcs have become without flaming

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

All these sorcs defending the most overpowered class in the game


F it. Ima just make one and go with it. If enough people play one it'll finally get nerfed when no one is playing anything else.

Sorcs need adjustments or better yet the game needs adjustments that will nerf sorcs but you two have no clue about what your talking about. Making shields crittable is prob the worst solution and its actually prety obvious for anyone that actually knows how this game works and just shows that you are just biased anti sorcs willing to see the class become trash no matter how will this affect the game. Not even going to reply on the suggestion of nerfing streak cause its hilarious to say the least and just shows that you have never played sorc therefore making you unqualified to bring any suggestion for balancing sorcs.