How to balance Mag Sorcs ?

vpy

Since we all agree the damage and burst of Mag Sorcs is way overboard (especially in PVP) I am thinking of some ideas to level the playground...:)

What do you guys think we should do ?

UPDATE : Mates looks like this thread is being observed by higher powers as such please provide your feedback as to how imbalance Mag Sorc has become

Betsararie

fine as is. Pls stop overreacting

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Shields- Need to be critable

Streak- Fine as is, leave it alone

Implosion- Slightly overpowered, Only needs a slight adjustment in PvP by reducing it's damage. It shouldn't be hitting as ridiculously hard as it is for just a free passive execution

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Blanco wrote: »

fine as is. Pls stop overreacting

Disagree still strongly. In comparison to other classes. It's almost a handicap being anything but a mag sorc

Alite

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

People suggesting making shields crittable without any other changes to compensate for this change have honestly no idea what they are talking about.
Maybe read up on the logic of WHY they aren't crittable then come back here to debate, until then your suggestions are a waste of time to read.

brandonv516

No to shields being critable. This becomes an all magicka nerf.

Yes to changes to stacking shields.

Electrone_Magnus

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

If you think mag sorc is easy mode and can't be killed why not play one yourself?

Vapirko

Nerf Mag Sorcs to the same level as other classes

@Electrone_Magnus because not everyone wants to.

Betsararie

as soon as you nerf shields in any way you kill sorc, that is our only lifeline. Most of us are running around in light armor.

And our survivability is not the best in the game. But with shields it is good. Sorc shields are balanced.

agingerinohio

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Betsararie

agingerinohio wrote: »

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Stam classes have vigor which is a ridiculous heal. Shields paired with vigor would actually be OP/broken.

DrScott59

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Sorcs are fine, and easy to kill. L2P.

leepalmer95

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

By 'all' you mean you.

They're fine learn to kill them.

vpy

Buff other classes but dont nerf Mag Sorcs

Blanco wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Stam classes have vigor which is a ridiculous heal. Shields paired with vigor would actually be OP/broken.

Mate

You lose your credibility when you equate the PVP potency or Vigor with noncrittable shields

Betsararie

vpy wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Stam classes have vigor which is a ridiculous heal. Shields paired with vigor would actually be OP/broken.

Mate

You lose your credibility when you equate the PVP potency or Vigor with noncrittable shields

Mate

That's not even what happened I was saying vigor paired with shields would be OP.

You don't even know what's going on hence why you are starting these threads.

Sorcs are not OP you desperately need to L2P. I believe in you.

leepalmer95

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

vpy wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Stam classes have vigor which is a ridiculous heal. Shields paired with vigor would actually be OP/broken.

Mate

You lose your credibility when you equate the PVP potency or Vigor with noncrittable shields

Do you have a mag sorc and have ample time played on it?

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Blanco wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Stam classes have vigor which is a ridiculous heal. Shields paired with vigor would actually be OP/broken.

Mate

You lose your credibility when you equate the PVP potency or Vigor with noncrittable shields

Mate

That's not even what happened I was saying vigor paired with shields would be OP.

You don't even know what's going on hence why you are starting these threads.

Sorcs are not OP you desperately need to L2P. I believe in you.

Sorcs are OP in comparison to the other classes.


I can show multiple Recaps of Implosion hittin my 5\7 heavy armor tank taking a 6k implosion in my face with capped out resistances and food buffs up. That passive execute hit harder than an entire skill tree

And that's just a single aspect of it. Shields not being critable allow sorcs to spec full damage with no repercussions. Because Max Magic= Stronger shields.


And that's just straight facts Mate

Thogard

We need to change the way health bars are read in this game so that scrubs like OP can see that they're actually making progress when fighting a mag sorc. When you're unable to get fully through a dmg shield, even if a sorc just BARELY wins, still looks like a flawless victory for the sorc and prompts whines from people who dont know better.

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

Thogard wrote: »

We need to change the way health bars are read in this game so that scrubs like OP can see that they're actually making progress when fighting a mag sorc. When you're unable to get fully through a dmg shield, even if a sorc just BARELY wins, still looks like a flawless victory for the sorc and prompts whines from people who dont know better.

How is it barely winning? The sorc can just recast the shield and boom. That entire rotations work of Multiple skills and damage is gone. And the sorc
will continue to crank out .

leepalmer95

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Stam classes have vigor which is a ridiculous heal. Shields paired with vigor would actually be OP/broken.

Mate

You lose your credibility when you equate the PVP potency or Vigor with noncrittable shields

Mate

That's not even what happened I was saying vigor paired with shields would be OP.

You don't even know what's going on hence why you are starting these threads.

Sorcs are not OP you desperately need to L2P. I believe in you.

Sorcs are OP in comparison to the other classes.


I can show multiple Recaps of Implosion hittin my 5\7 heavy armor tank taking a 6k implosion in my face with capped out resistances and food buffs up. That passive execute hit harder than an entire skill tree

And that's just a single aspect of it. Shields not being critable allow sorcs to spec full damage with no repercussions. Because Max Magic= Stronger shields.


And that's just straight facts Mate

By passive execute.

You mean the one that has a 6% chance to proc on lightning damage when under 15% hp?

Chances are if implosion procs your was going to die anyway or would of died from the last skills damage.

CheepsNSalsa

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

How to kill magsorcs: Magicka draining poison.

AbysmalGhul

Let's play a game. Help me finish this sentence.

When people demand balance to certain classes and skills in pvp they.....

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

vpy wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

agingerinohio wrote: »

Don't need an entire class because of pvp. They are fine. The class was designed to be a high damage DD. The other classes in PvP have the same potential of having very high burst as well. As for the shields, any magica class has the ability to shield stack. What I want to see (being someone who has primarily played magica characters and now experimenting with stamina) is better shielding options for stamina builds.

Stam classes have vigor which is a ridiculous heal. Shields paired with vigor would actually be OP/broken.

Mate

You lose your credibility when you equate the PVP potency or Vigor with noncrittable shields

Mate

That's not even what happened I was saying vigor paired with shields would be OP.

You don't even know what's going on hence why you are starting these threads.

Sorcs are not OP you desperately need to L2P. I believe in you.

Sorcs are OP in comparison to the other classes.


I can show multiple Recaps of Implosion hittin my 5\7 heavy armor tank taking a 6k implosion in my face with capped out resistances and food buffs up. That passive execute hit harder than an entire skill tree

And that's just a single aspect of it. Shields not being critable allow sorcs to spec full damage with no repercussions. Because Max Magic= Stronger shields.


And that's just straight facts Mate

By passive execute.

You mean the one that has a 6% chance to proc on lightning damage when under 15% hp?

Chances are if implosion procs your was going to die anyway or would of died from the last skills damage.

Chance

A very apt description where people at 15% have plenty of health to recover but instead get an excute from nowhere without any prompt hitting for 6k on even a full heavy armor build with maxed out resistances and food buff.

I'm appalled to think what others ( who aren't already mag sorcs too) have to deal with for different armors if I'm wearing Heavy with max resistances.


How does none of that register with you

Nelson_Rebel

Slightly reduce the overall burst or damage or usage of Mag Sorc PVP goodies like (shields (make them crittable), streak (increase cost etc), implosion (disable it in PVP), endless fury (reduce the burst or time), curse (reduce the burst etc) or )something else BUT SPECIFIC ONLY TO PVP

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

Let's play a game. Help me finish this sentence.

When people demand balance to certain classes and skills in pvp they.....

Nobody demanded, putting words in people's mouths. Clever wordplay to try to belittle a person bringing up relevant issues ingame. But ultimately irrelevant


So in answer to your sentence

they.... Care for actually making the game more diverse and balanced instead of a 1class hegemony.

CyrusArya

vpy wrote: »

Since we all agree the damage and burst of Mag Sorcs is way overboard (especially in PVP) I am thinking of some ideas to level the playground...:)

What do you guys think we should do ?

Considering how I haven't seen a single good player on my server complain or struggle against sorcs in particular, I'm gonna say there isn't as much consensus on the matter as forum peasants might make it seem.

What I think I'm gonna do is remind these peasants just how bad they are for struggling against and complaining about sorcs in every thread this matter is brought up. If sorc's are so OP I must've missed the memo, seeing as how I outright stomp the class in 99/100 PvP encounters.

Vizier

About the only thing that's BS about sorcs is the execute. Possibly Streak but, honestly that doesn't seem to be the "thing" it used to be. Not sure why.

Thogard

Nelson_Rebel wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

We need to change the way health bars are read in this game so that scrubs like OP can see that they're actually making progress when fighting a mag sorc. When you're unable to get fully through a dmg shield, even if a sorc just BARELY wins, still looks like a flawless victory for the sorc and prompts whines from people who dont know better.

How is it barely winning? The sorc can just recast the shield and boom. That entire rotations work of Multiple skills and damage is gone. And the sorc
will continue to crank out .

I guess my point is that the outcomes of sorc fights are very "polarized" and give a lot of people the impression that sorcs ar eridiculously OP. They're not ridiculously OP, they're just easy to play. My DK is a far better 1v1'er and a MUCH MUCH bettter 1vX'er than my magsorc. Mag sorc has burst. but it doesn't have a lot of extra burst. If you can survive its burst, you'll win, if not you lose. if you can eat through its shield, you win, if not you lose.

If the sorc cant burst you down (which is very common if you build right) then you win.

Sorc is not a flexible class. It has X damage and Y shields. If you can survive X damage, the sorc won't be able to do extra damage to kill you, and if you get through Y shields, you'll win. The problem is that if you CAN'T survive X damage, you'll blow up almost instantly, leading many people to think they can SUSTAIN that ridiculous damage, which they CAN'T.

Lylith

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

Vizier wrote: »

About the only thing that's BS about sorcs is the execute. Possibly Streak but, honestly that doesn't seem to be the "thing" it used to be. Not sure why.

players whined, it got nerfed.

max_only

None of these options appeal to me right now.


Sorcs are the favored son, no doubt, but I think that is because Zos has a unified vision of what the class should be. They have no idea what a nightblade should be which is why they keep messing about and smacking my babies with nerf bat. They have their golden trio in their head and nightblades are, to them, an annoying extra. If they were going for perfect all content, devs quite clearly envision a Dk tank, a Templar healer, Sorc ranged damage and (we assume) Nightblade melee damge.

Only problem is PvP that all falls apart. Dk executes? Nightblade, good enough in melee ranging to OP when proctato but 1to1 survival? Templar and Sorc got you covered in Pvp no matter how you build it. The only thing left for nightblades is to gank (which I refuse to do, AND which any class can do by crouching- I've been ganked by so many Sorcs this week)

It's a conundrum and I think the devs may need a fresh perspective on the direction they will take with the other 4 classes.
Either they need to stop trying to balance pvp and pve (who gets mad that they are clearing a dungeon too fast due to OP sorc dps?) Or they need to settle down on a vision.

phairdon

Killed plenty during my play time in Cyrodiil. Being one myself, I have died many times as well.

Araviel2

Mag Sorcs are fine bro...yes...surely they are ....i swear

with the upcoming changes to weapon traits i think its fine for now.
Sharpen nerf hurts magica player more than any other as we need penetration to fight stamina players.
Stamina players on the other hand does not need as much penetration to fight magica.

lets wait and see how it plays out.