Magicka Sorcerors OP !!??? Should the class be reworked? Will streak ever get buffed?

Aedaryl

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@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

It's false Derra, I play pet sorc and stam DK eat the pet burst, they just need to block at the right time, and they can one shot me with 18-20k heavy attacks.

Aedaryl

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Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

I'm talking about the whole game nut just one server. Pet sorc is THE strongest dueling class. You have a 20k uncrittable shield (literally), 52k max magicka (in 1T, should be higher now), infernal guardian proc, 2 pets, wall of elements and mines. That's too much pressure.

As Kena has said, if you make that statement then it's pretty obvious that you don't have any good pet sorcs on NA.

Also regarding stam dk, a stam dk will never have enough pressure to put down a 20k uncrittable shield while sustaining pressure from 3 targets all dealing 52k max magicka worth of damage. A stamplar, maybe because of jabs + purge. Magplar on the other hand, I heard it actually counters pet sorc.

@Derra these dudes never met dracane, no wonder they don't know what a perfectly played pet sorc feels like

The funniest thing is peole make pet sorc in a 100% duel way, when other players cry they are beat on the their openworld build.

I played a duel build and an openworld build, it's totaly different.

The duel build is made : - Without atronach mundus stone
- Without Streak
- With thunder wall of element (concussion).
- Without heal, they took the 50% more damage matriach
- Without any single regen piece or glyph.
- Mines and Surge in overload bar (use it before the duel start)

Of course that kind of build is extremely strong in 1v1, because everthing is made for that 1v1 duel gameplay.

But an openworld build, with regen, streak, heal, is not overpowered.

I just want to see duel build like dracane against other DUEL build, trust me the magdk one will not be easy.

People complain to loose agaisnt duel build in duel with their openworld build. You don't go in cyro with 100% PvE gear, like you shouldn't duel against someone who play a 100% duel build without playing one too.


Finely, balance is not made about 100% duel build, but around openworld build.

How much time a no heal, no streak, no regen sorc, will last in a cyrodil ?

NB : A pet sorc don't have a 20k shield, it's a 15k shield.

Derra

Aedaryl wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

It's false Derra, I play pet sorc and stam DK eat the pet burst, they just need to block at the right time, and they can one shot me with 18-20k heavy attacks.

Ok - where are those 18 to 20k heavyattack stamDKs. I´ve literally since i´m playing eso never met something that came remotely close ever (excluding 1.6 where i could 1shot a stamdk with dawnbreaker aswell ).

Alcasts heavyattack stealthgank builds were ~12 to 14k

Subversus

Aedaryl wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

I'm talking about the whole game nut just one server. Pet sorc is THE strongest dueling class. You have a 20k uncrittable shield (literally), 52k max magicka (in 1T, should be higher now), infernal guardian proc, 2 pets, wall of elements and mines. That's too much pressure.

As Kena has said, if you make that statement then it's pretty obvious that you don't have any good pet sorcs on NA.

Also regarding stam dk, a stam dk will never have enough pressure to put down a 20k uncrittable shield while sustaining pressure from 3 targets all dealing 52k max magicka worth of damage. A stamplar, maybe because of jabs + purge. Magplar on the other hand, I heard it actually counters pet sorc.

@Derra these dudes never met dracane, no wonder they don't know what a perfectly played pet sorc feels like

The funniest thing is peole make pet sorc in a 100% duel way, when other players cry they are beat on the their openworld build.

I played a duel build and an openworld build, it's totaly different.

The duel build is made : - Without atronach mundus stone
- Without Streak
- With thunder wall of element (concussion).
- Without heal, they took the 50% more damage matriach
- Without any single regen piece or glyph.
- Mines and Surge in overload bar (use it before the duel start)

Of course that kind of build is extremely strong in 1v1, because everthing is made for that 1v1 duel gameplay.

But an openworld build, with regen, streak, heal, is not overpowered.

I just want to see duel build like dracane against other DUEL build, trust me the magdk one will not be easy.

People complain to loose agaisnt duel build in duel with their openworld build. You don't go in cyro with 100% PvE gear, like you shouldn't duel against someone who play a 100% duel build without playing one too.


Finely, balance is not made about 100% duel build, but around openworld build.

How much time a no heal, no streak, no regen sorc, will last in a cyrodil ?

NB : A pet sorc don't have a 20k shield, it's a 15k shield.

I was talking about dueling therefore it should be implied that I did not suggest them using an open world build. I don't know who you are but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, saying that mag dk (out of all classes) has the necessary damage to burst 20k shields.

Also we're not calling any nerfs here, we're merely debating. It's obvious that the builds we're talking about have no chance in open world, that should've been implied.

Derra wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

It's false Derra, I play pet sorc and stam DK eat the pet burst, they just need to block at the right time, and they can one shot me with 18-20k heavy attacks.

Ok - where are those 18 to 20k heavyattack stamDKs. I´ve literally since i´m playing eso never met something that came remotely close ever (excluding 1.6 where i could 1shot a stamdk with dawnbreaker aswell ).

Alcasts heavyattack stealthgank builds were ~12 to 14k

Exactly lmfao like my magblade gank build has 20k heavy attacks and that's full glass cannon out of stealth. What is this guy smoking

Aedaryl

@Derra, (and Sub if you are on EU PC server) I will show you next time I log in, you will not trust it

Subversus wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

I'm talking about the whole game nut just one server. Pet sorc is THE strongest dueling class. You have a 20k uncrittable shield (literally), 52k max magicka (in 1T, should be higher now), infernal guardian proc, 2 pets, wall of elements and mines. That's too much pressure.

As Kena has said, if you make that statement then it's pretty obvious that you don't have any good pet sorcs on NA.

Also regarding stam dk, a stam dk will never have enough pressure to put down a 20k uncrittable shield while sustaining pressure from 3 targets all dealing 52k max magicka worth of damage. A stamplar, maybe because of jabs + purge. Magplar on the other hand, I heard it actually counters pet sorc.

@Derra these dudes never met dracane, no wonder they don't know what a perfectly played pet sorc feels like

The funniest thing is peole make pet sorc in a 100% duel way, when other players cry they are beat on the their openworld build.

I played a duel build and an openworld build, it's totaly different.

The duel build is made : - Without atronach mundus stone
- Without Streak
- With thunder wall of element (concussion).
- Without heal, they took the 50% more damage matriach
- Without any single regen piece or glyph.
- Mines and Surge in overload bar (use it before the duel start)

Of course that kind of build is extremely strong in 1v1, because everthing is made for that 1v1 duel gameplay.

But an openworld build, with regen, streak, heal, is not overpowered.

I just want to see duel build like dracane against other DUEL build, trust me the magdk one will not be easy.

People complain to loose agaisnt duel build in duel with their openworld build. You don't go in cyro with 100% PvE gear, like you shouldn't duel against someone who play a 100% duel build without playing one too.


Finely, balance is not made about 100% duel build, but around openworld build.

How much time a no heal, no streak, no regen sorc, will last in a cyrodil ?

NB : A pet sorc don't have a 20k shield, it's a 15k shield.

I was talking about dueling therefore it should be implied that I did not suggest them using an open world build. I don't know who you are but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, saying that mag dk (out of all classes) has the necessary damage to burst 20k shields.

Also we're not calling any nerfs here, we're merely debating. It's obvious that the builds we're talking about have no chance in open world, that should've been implied.

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Aedaryl wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

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Subversus wrote: »

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Irylia wrote: »

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Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

It's false Derra, I play pet sorc and stam DK eat the pet burst, they just need to block at the right time, and they can one shot me with 18-20k heavy attacks.

Ok - where are those 18 to 20k heavyattack stamDKs. I´ve literally since i´m playing eso never met something that came remotely close ever (excluding 1.6 where i could 1shot a stamdk with dawnbreaker aswell ).

Alcasts heavyattack stealthgank builds were ~12 to 14k

Exactly lmfao like my magblade gank build has 20k heavy attacks and that's full glass cannon out of stealth. What is this guy smoking

I already told you, the dueling build have a single 15k shield.

You don't know what you are talking about, you never though magicka DK duel build, Damage is insane and the shield is destroy extremely quick.

Aedaryl

You guys have no idea how heavy attacks and game mechanics synergise, it's extremelly powerfull, but I will not explain the mechanics, I don't want to share my friends builds.

ToRelax

Derra wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Joy_Division I appreciate ur reply... that is why I am saying if sorcs are buffed with streak in that they can successfully use it to make distance turn around and burst and rinse and repeat then mag sorcs should give up some survivability because shield stacking has been complained about forever now. So my proposition is that zos should get rid of being able to stack multiple shields at once namely harness and hardened together because that poses a serious problem. And by doing so removing the ability to spam stack shields zos should buff the crap out of streak because that way sorcs will rely on mobility for defense and really be close to their original design of the game. ( A glass canon kiting class)

I understand your reasoning. But your proposal gives sorcerers what is in essence a speed hack, which is abusive and much stronger than losing a single shield. Indeed, Zos nerfed streak long before shield stacking became fashionable.

Atleast from what i know shieldstacking (against magica builds) was a thing already in patch 1.3?

Most of the streak nerfs came after that.

Derra (just tagging you because of the scope of this thread, not directing this post at you specifically)
I've been stacking Hardened + Harness since I tried out whether it would work as expected at launch (it did, with the exception that all "physical" DoTs restored magicka as well while melee magicka skills did not) until it was nerfed with 1.5, so I just looked it up.
As said, shieldstacking was a thing since launch for anyone being aware of it. I even used a bow partly to line up bursts against non refreshable shields, partly for the speed buff.

The first nerf to Bolt Escape we saw in 1.0.7, prohibiting Sorcs to Bolt Escape with a scroll.
However the first actual combat nerf on Bolt Escape happened in 1.1.4, the second incremental patch after Craglorn. That was the original static 50% cost increase. However, that barely changed anything for me, since I had pretty much unlimited magicka from Harness.
The next nerf after that was the reduction of Streak's AoE cap to 6 in 1.4.3. With 1.6.5 the Disorient was changed into a stun in order to give cc immunity when not broken out of. 2.0.11 removed most flying Sorcs over lake Rumare.
2.1.4 (Imperial City) saw the BoL nerf to 2.5 seconds and the stacking cost instead of reduced regen after casting Bolt Escape.
No more nerfs after that so far. I guess one can at least view the changes in 1.1.4, 1.6.5 and 2.1.4 as nerfs of intended mechanics. And I I only don't like the stacking cost with the last nerf. Now that's for documented changes. If I remember correctly, it was also with Imperial City that we lost our momentum at the end of a Bolt Escape, significantly reducing speed especially when *not* spamming it. It feels horribly clunky to use compared to the previous version. Obviously I don't like that change either.

I think for me personally the biggest nerf was the loss of momentum after using streak while running.

On the harness part: Harness did not absorb certain melee magica abilities such as whip and concealed weapon up until patch 1.6 (or 1.5) i think. The flame lash exploit is still a relic of this bug as it still ignores dodge and harness/dampen.

1.6. Denne couldn't cut through my Harness anymore on PTS then.

Valencer

Aedaryl wrote: »

You guys have no idea how heavy attacks and game mechanics synergise, it's extremelly powerfull, but I will not explain the mechanics, I don't want to share my friends builds.

Sounds spooky

Malamar1229

so wasn't this game supposed to be balanced around group play, AvA, and not setting classes side by side for comparisons?

Publius_Scipio

I am calling for a magicka sorc only tournament to determine the most OP sorc.

ToRelax

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I am calling for a magicka sorc only tournament to determine the most OP sorc.

Oh please not, duels are already boring on their own now, not to mention Sorc vs Sorc. But when you already *know* you're going up against a Sorc and everyone builds accordingly... that would be the most boring tournament ever.

Minalan

Malamar1229 wrote: »

so wasn't this game supposed to be balanced around group play, AvA, and not setting classes side by side for comparisons?

That argument only holds water when stamina builds are king.

Irylia

ToRelax wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I am calling for a magicka sorc only tournament to determine the most OP sorc.

Oh please not, duels are already boring on their own now, not to mention Sorc vs Sorc. But when you already *know* you're going up against a Sorc and everyone builds accordingly... that would be the most boring tournament ever.

No harness, pirate, resto ult

Irylia

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Yea, pretty embarrassing to lose on multiple test pet sorc builds with no previous experience. Not to mention magblade is his main.

Not bis traits or gear with one ward of 10-12k. Wasn't playing a typical set up.
Unlike most sorcs I always play with small wards.

Trying permafrost 1 pet
Winter born.
Various heavy and light armor sets hardly used and trying skills like mages rune.
But yea, pretty embarrassing that someone trying new builds lost.
Got me

Subversus

Irylia wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Yea, pretty embarrassing to lose on multiple test pet sorc builds with no previous experience. Not to mention magblade is his main.

Not bis traits or gear with one ward of 10-12k. Wasn't playing a typical set up.
Unlike most sorcs I always play with small wards.

Trying permafrost 1 pet
Winter born.
Various heavy and light armor sets hardly used and trying skills like mages rune.
But yea, pretty embarrassing that someone trying new builds lost.
Got me

I don't know you and I read Kena's comment out of context, hence my statement. If that is the case then I do apologize, my intention was not bring you down if you were just trying it out.

Malamar1229

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Nope. You can straight up talk to yourself and pat yourself on the back if you'd like though.

Alpheu5

ToRelax wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I am calling for a magicka sorc only tournament to determine the most OP sorc.

Oh please not, duels are already boring on their own now, not to mention Sorc vs Sorc. But when you already *know* you're going up against a Sorc and everyone builds accordingly... that would be the most boring tournament ever.

Almost all Class vs Class fights are boring.

mSorc vs mSorc - A guy shooting at a mirror

sSorc vs sSorc - UFC dance-off

mDK vs mDK - Turtles mating

sDK vs sDK - Roosters fighting

mNB vs mNB - Two blind mice playing tag

sNB vs sNB - The man with the Golden Gun

Magplar vs Magplar - UN peace meeting

Stamplar vs Stamplar - JAB JAB JAB JAB JAB JAB JAB JAB JAB JAB

HoloYoitsu

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I am calling for a magicka sorc only tournament to determine the most OP sorc.

Shield breaker + lightning staff ready to go! Where do I sign up?

Derra

Irylia wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I am calling for a magicka sorc only tournament to determine the most OP sorc.

Oh please not, duels are already boring on their own now, not to mention Sorc vs Sorc. But when you already *know* you're going up against a Sorc and everyone builds accordingly... that would be the most boring tournament ever.

No harness, pirate, resto ult

No harness as in no annulment+morphs or only harness?

It would heavily distort the picture anyways - mostly because people wouldn´t be used to only having hardened. Also double destro builds somewhat depend on a second shield.

NightbladeMechanics

Derra wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

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Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

Caster magicka nightblade actually does decently against pets as long as the sorc doesn't slot Encase.

All those hots stave off the pets' sustained damage, path or cripple gives permanent major expedition, then you run in a circle orbiting the sorc to kite wall of elements and the scamp, maybe cripple it to slow it, pew pewing the sorc and dipping in and out of melee range feigning tether > assassin's will > impale combos until you get an opening.

Real trouble comes if they spam encase to make you roll dodge a bunch... Ugh I hate fighting pet sorcs. Lol

Toast_STS

Derra wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

It's false Derra, I play pet sorc and stam DK eat the pet burst, they just need to block at the right time, and they can one shot me with 18-20k heavy attacks.

Ok - where are those 18 to 20k heavyattack stamDKs. I´ve literally since i´m playing eso never met something that came remotely close ever (excluding 1.6 where i could 1shot a stamdk with dawnbreaker aswell ).

Alcasts heavyattack stealthgank builds were ~12 to 14k

I got a build like that. 5 automaton, 5 sergeants mail, sharp maelstrom bow. hawk eye plus longshot passives give some serious damage. Can't duel with it but it works great against destro bombers.

Xsorus

Sorcs are over the top right now...You'd be a fool to think otherwise.

But it has less to do with Sorcs as a class, While extremely powerful and probably a bit overpowered..Its not what is causing the issues

Pirates right now and to the lesser extent Restro ult.

Protection flat out should not work on Shields....The whole reason they're not crittable is because they have no Mitigation...If you're going to make Protection work with shields then shields need to be crittable...Its really that simple.

Its night and day when I run Pirates on my Sorc....Its simply over the top.

Subversus

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Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

Caster magicka nightblade actually does decently against pets as long as the sorc doesn't slot Encase.

All those hots stave off the pets' sustained damage, path or cripple gives permanent major expedition, then you run in a circle orbiting the sorc to kite wall of elements and the scamp, maybe cripple it to slow it, pew pewing the sorc and dipping in and out of melee range feigning tether > assassin's will > impale combos until you get an opening.

Real trouble comes if they spam encase to make you roll dodge a bunch... Ugh I hate fighting pet sorcs. Lol

Preach my man

tonemd

Lord_Invel

I propose that streak should go through block as an interrupt like it used to be and make curse blockable. Also lower the cost penalty of streak to 25 or 35 percent and make hardened ward and harness magicka shield not stackable at all. The only shields that should stack are combos like hardened/ healing or harness/healing. Shield spamming and shield stacking constantly doesn't let a light armor mag sorc that is supposed to be squishy die at all. It is quite ridiculous that light armor mag sorcs can tank in pve and pvp with shield spamming.

Derra

Xsorus wrote: »

Sorcs are over the top right now...You'd be a fool to think otherwise.

But it has less to do with Sorcs as a class, While extremely powerful and probably a bit overpowered..Its not what is causing the issues

Pirates right now and to the lesser extent Restro ult.

Protection flat out should not work on Shields....The whole reason they're not crittable is because they have no Mitigation...If you're going to make Protection work with shields then shields need to be crittable...Its really that simple.

Its night and day when I run Pirates on my Sorc....Its simply over the top.

Protection in general is overtuned imo.

Pirate seems seriously broken on CP campaign whereas resto ulti transforms you into an immortal avatar of selfhealol on nonCP.

Subversus

Lord_Invel wrote: »

I propose that streak should go through block as an interrupt like it used to be and make curse blockable. Also lower the cost penalty of streak to 25 or 35 percent and make hardened ward and harness magicka shield not stackable at all. The only shields that should stack are combos like hardened/ healing or harness/healing. Shield spamming and shield stacking constantly doesn't let a light armor mag sorc that is supposed to be squishy die at all. It is quite ridiculous that light armor mag sorcs can tank in pve and pvp with shield spamming.

I sort of agree with the whole hardened/harness thing. Now I don't play magsorc but if a light armor destro/resto magblade can survive just fine with 2 shields then so can sorcs.

Lord_Invel

@Subversus yes I play without harness in open world and do just fine. The only thing harness does is carry people that shield spam and tank their opponents while at the same time not give any thought to there resource sustain. Shield stacking 3 shields should not be allowed.

Lord_Hev

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

I propose that streak should go through block as an interrupt like it used to be and make curse blockable. Also lower the cost penalty of streak to 25 or 35 percent and make hardened ward and harness magicka shield not stackable at all. The only shields that should stack are combos like hardened/ healing or harness/healing. Shield spamming and shield stacking constantly doesn't let a light armor mag sorc that is supposed to be squishy die at all. It is quite ridiculous that light armor mag sorcs can tank in pve and pvp with shield spamming.

I sort of agree with the whole hardened/harness thing. Now I don't play magsorc but if a light armor destro/resto magblade can survive just fine with 2 shields then so can sorcs.

Magblades have cloak, Major evasion, Hots from Swallow Soul, and a passive that gives a small buff to base stam regen that can be easily built upon for reactive use of dodging/blocking important hits.

Lord_Invel

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

I propose that streak should go through block as an interrupt like it used to be and make curse blockable. Also lower the cost penalty of streak to 25 or 35 percent and make hardened ward and harness magicka shield not stackable at all. The only shields that should stack are combos like hardened/ healing or harness/healing. Shield spamming and shield stacking constantly doesn't let a light armor mag sorc that is supposed to be squishy die at all. It is quite ridiculous that light armor mag sorcs can tank in pve and pvp with shield spamming.

I sort of agree with the whole hardened/harness thing. Now I don't play magsorc but if a light armor destro/resto magblade can survive just fine with 2 shields then so can sorcs.

Magblades have cloak, Major evasion, Hots from Swallow Soul, and a passive that gives a small buff to base stam regen that can be easily built upon for reactive use of dodging/blocking important hits.

@Lord_Hev that is why I proposed to buff crit surge if shield stacking were to get nerfed also give sorcs daedric ward a secondary buff or something so it wouldn't be super stacked against a mag sorcs favor in winning a duel. The sorc class in general doesn't have many synergistic buffs like other classes a lot of our skills are wasted on *** pets which is why I would say mag sorc needs to be reworked in this way cause right now the only thing we have is shield stacking.