Magicka Sorcerors OP !!??? Should the class be reworked? Will streak ever get buffed?

Irylia

@Lord_Hev They will never understand us. These peasants haven't played msorc through thick and thin like we have. I remember after DBH patch no one was playing sorc because of the nerfs. Sure enough they hop back on when we get destro ult/pirate skel and almost near homestead.

Sypher, KR, Jedi, Kodi, etc. The list goes on for players who put sorc down over that period and still hardly pick it up. Granted two of those players no longer play eso.

Also looking at the top tier sorcs and how "op" they are isn't a good evaluation. Take the general mill of sorc players and all of them crumple to multiple enemies (now they barely cling on with pirate). If I have to I will get knitty gritty and show extensive changes that can be unbiased. Heck, look at my earlier post about some changes. I think those streak options were valid.

Irylia wrote: »

Sorc Changes:

1. Change how Pirate skeleton applies/works with shields (This is the biggest set strength a sorc can obtain currently and the up time is pretty insane). I wouldn't mind this being changed which will help other classes kill sorcs.
-6 second up time 6 second down.
3. Fix streak with 1 of the various options.
2a. Every time you streak the cost increase will remain the same but if you are gap closed by an enemy the next streak won't increase in cost. Every time someone gap closes you it will remain at the current "stacked" cost. You can apply this by saying are you gap closed 1-2 seconds after your streak cast? If so your next streak within 1/2 seconds wont have an increased cost.
2b. Remove the delay on the front or end of streak.
2c. Have streak remove slows/snares.

3. Destro ult should be completely reworked into a 150 ult based on your destro staff.
-Inferno: Lobs a fireball at a single target. Can't be dodge but can be blocked. increases your damage to that target by 8% for x seconds (6?).
-Ice: Creates an AOE ice ring (think of the ice atro boss in IC) that shoots out frost clenches in a radius. rooting enemies who enter and dealing damage over time.
-Lightning: A cone much like DB. Disorient targets in the cone and deal mag damage.

*Note* This change of ult removes the extra particles which could add to server strain and most importantly removes the aids gameplay that we now have. Pop destro and run around.
-If nothing else have destro ult deal damage based on enemies in the aoe. (Think of prox det)

Even an indirect buff to streak in the form of "All gap closers work like streak" Spam it and it increases in cost.

Lord_Invel

But like I said, every class can be "op". But I've seen much more effort required to take down magicka sorcs compared to pretty much any of the other classes right now. Sure there are perma block tanks, but their DPS isn't scaring anyone. Magicka sorcs are incinerating other players right now with the burst potential.[/quote]

Try looking at stamplars vs sorcs.[/quote]

I actually agree here. Stamplars are even tougher.[/quote]

Dual wield stamplars are cancer to go against but the one thing I like about them .... if u play a dual wield stamplar the fight will always end with killing ur opponent lmao :P ... or u might die by losing all ur resources if u don't burst ur opponent quick enough. And I hope most people know this and if u don't well at least now u know.... You can dodge roll power of the light proc just throwing that out there if u all were having trouble going against a stamplar. When the sword animation above ur head from power of the light is close to hitting the ground... before it hits the ground u dodge roll to avoid all damage. However if u dodge roll and get cced with dbos ur screwed lol

Irylia wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

It absolutely has relevance to the subject matter for me. If you take people of the same skill and one build is just running through the others then you leave the realm of skill and enter the realm of what ESO allows magicka sorc to do currently.

RinaldoGandolphi

Hev, irylia,and others have summed up my thoughts in this thread pretty well, not much to add.

NightbladeMechanics

I started playing my sorc after DB patch. I don't even know what it feels like to have a shield that lasts longer than 6 seconds, and I haven't used Pirate or destro ult. That class still makes me feel spoiled compared to mageblade.. To imply that magicka sorc has struggled compared to the other magicka classes in any patch since at least 1.6 when I started playing...but probably ever...is false. If there is one constant through this game's history besides lag it is the strength of magicka sorc.

Publius_Scipio

Cuddles the Stegosaurus

Publius_Scipio

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I started playing my sorc after DB patch. I don't even know what it feels like to have a shield that lasts longer than 6 seconds, and I haven't used Pirate or destro ult. That class still makes me feel spoiled compared to mageblade.. To imply that magicka sorc has struggled compared to the other magicka classes in any patch since at least 1.6 when I started playing...but probably ever...is false. If there is one constant through this game's history besides lag it is the strength of magicka sorc.

NB's had it pretty bad I remember at launch and for a while after if I remember. Not sure about Templars. DKs were the kings at launch for sure, at least in PvP.

Derra

Domander wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

The only changes sorcerer need is making curse not stack on an enemy. Another change is to a set that makes sorcerer just to strong which is pirate skeleton.

I've never not been able to (or had a tough time really) kill someone that's using the pirate skeleton set, of course I play mostly on the non-champion point campaign because with champion points there are so many unkillable 1v1 builds.

Mag sorcs wouldn't seem very tough if they changed/removed bastion . They could remove bastion along with shattering blows and it would balance out a bit. Most players aren't going to put points into something that only works against damage shields.

That is because pirate skeleton dmg reduction is additive to CP dmg reduction - which results in pirate being way more effective with CP enabled.

Derra

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I started playing my sorc after DB patch. I don't even know what it feels like to have a shield that lasts longer than 6 seconds, and I haven't used Pirate or destro ult. That class still makes me feel spoiled compared to mageblade.. To imply that magicka sorc has struggled compared to the other magicka classes in any patch since at least 1.6 when I started playing...but probably ever...is false. If there is one constant through this game's history besides lag it is the strength of magicka sorc.

Be glad you started in 1.6.

The title negatebot summed up sorcs pretty well for 1.4 and 1.5 - while at the same time those were the golden days of magblade.

Alpheu5

I think we're all forgetting to mention how much of a zergbuster Crystal Blast and Power Overload heavy attacks are.

Subversus

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

LeifErickson

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Aedaryl

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Maybe it wasn't a dueling pet sorc build, people think using pet = duel build = OP, but no everyone is playing 100% duel build without skeak, regen and heal, for kill the ennemy extremely fast.

Also, pet sorc is hard to play, tons of noobs try and fail

Subversus

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

KingJ

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

That's one of the places where mag blade still in a pretty good spot Dueling. Pet sorc is stronger build compared to mag blade 1v1.

Lord_Hev

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

Alpheu5

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

Depends on the pets in question. If we're talking about someone using just the Scamp, that's debatable. Scamp and Matriarch, debatable. Clannfear and Matriach, debatable. Clannfear and Atronach, debatable. Scamp, Matriarch, Atronach, and Infernal Guardian, undebatable.

NightbladeMechanics

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I started playing my sorc after DB patch. I don't even know what it feels like to have a shield that lasts longer than 6 seconds, and I haven't used Pirate or destro ult. That class still makes me feel spoiled compared to mageblade.. To imply that magicka sorc has struggled compared to the other magicka classes in any patch since at least 1.6 when I started playing...but probably ever...is false. If there is one constant through this game's history besides lag it is the strength of magicka sorc.

NB's had it pretty bad I remember at launch and for a while after if I remember. Not sure about Templars. DKs were the kings at launch for sure, at least in PvP.

I have no personal experience from launch aside from running around in AD PvE land on my little khajiitblade.

But I've seen videos of magicka sorcs with liquid lightning and invis bats wiping whole zergs... Not sure how common that was, though, or if the zergs were just inexperienced in a new game.

NightbladeMechanics

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

manny254

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I started playing my sorc after DB patch. I don't even know what it feels like to have a shield that lasts longer than 6 seconds, and I haven't used Pirate or destro ult. That class still makes me feel spoiled compared to mageblade.. To imply that magicka sorc has struggled compared to the other magicka classes in any patch since at least 1.6 when I started playing...but probably ever...is false. If there is one constant through this game's history besides lag it is the strength of magicka sorc.

NB's had it pretty bad I remember at launch and for a while after if I remember. Not sure about Templars. DKs were the kings at launch for sure, at least in PvP.

Templar was by far the weakest class at launch. There where many changes in the first few months of the game that did help it, and nerf other classes. By 1.5 is was overall pretty good, but I would still take any other class over it at the time.

Sorc was considered to be the second best class during this time simply because of old crit surge, old negate, and old streak.

NIghtblade was horrible as stamina, but as magicka it was very strong in pvp during the time you are referencing. With the right build it could pull of things akin to some of the broken DK builds at the time.

So to answer your question I would consider templar the worst, and outside of blazing shield templar did not have much damage at the time. It was not until 1.6 that they really started to make templar get some DPS. This can be reflected by the fact that templar was essentially considered the worst PVE dps at the time.

Sorc on the other hand has always been considered one of the higher tier builds in the game. At launch it was considered to be the second best by most.

Publius_Scipio

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

It absolutely has relevance to the subject matter for me. If you take people of the same skill and one build is just running through the others then you leave the realm of skill and enter the realm of what ESO allows magicka sorc to do currently.

But like I said, every class can be "op". But I've seen much more effort required to take down magicka sorcs compared to pretty much any of the other classes right now. Sure there are perma block tanks, but their DPS isn't scaring anyone. Magicka sorcs are incinerating other players right now with the burst potential.

Try looking at stamplars vs sorcs.

Stamplar will take down magicka sorc easy?

HoloYoitsu

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

It absolutely has relevance to the subject matter for me. If you take people of the same skill and one build is just running through the others then you leave the realm of skill and enter the realm of what ESO allows magicka sorc to do currently.

But like I said, every class can be "op". But I've seen much more effort required to take down magicka sorcs compared to pretty much any of the other classes right now. Sure there are perma block tanks, but their DPS isn't scaring anyone. Magicka sorcs are incinerating other players right now with the burst potential.

Try looking at stamplars vs sorcs.

Stamplar will take down magicka sorc easy?

It's more a point of staplers [sic] easily countering sorc dps. They have a purge, and just need to slot S/B for reflect to shut down sorcs. It's pretty easy to fight a class when they can't output burst dps on you.

Lord_Hev

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

The-Baconator

Honestly as someone who's dumped +150 days into the class in about every setting imaginable, I've never been a fan of the mine camping\shield stacking turret sorc and can defiantly understand how top-tier veterans and newer more inexperienced players alike can have issues with the play style. For over two years now sorc has--in my opinion--consistently been among the top 2 or 3 classes to step into as a new\mediocre player in order to maximize your performance. With that said, at the moment if you take pirate skeleton out of the equation sorcerer isn't either ridiculously or even moderately broken. You can't deny that it still sits somewhere among the top 1-3 of dueling\open world (solo and small group) but I don't think we're in the territory of needing a major overhaul.

However I would still defiantly love to see some smaller reworks for certain abilities. Mines has been a bit much for any build in medium armor for quite a while and with the way curse and execute are right now it does border on ridiculous. I'm not a big fan of negate and would like to see it redesigned to look more like the negate of pre 1.6 with friendlies being rewarded for enemies mindlessly spamming healing springs (which would also be cancelled out for the duration). Last but not least, remove the stacking cost penalty of streak when damage it done to an enemy so in combat mobility increases without bringing back permabolters who don't know how to do anything but streak\bol and overload.

Derra

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

NA doesn't have a good pet sorc to compare other classes to. Talk to EU people. It's very popular over there.

Pet sorc is very powerful in duels, much like Magic DK. But a properly built heavy armor Stamplar and Stam DK are pretty much unmatched.


imo naturally. But I'm trying to factor in all scenarios. A Stam DK can just eat all the pressure a pet sorc dishes out and just eat away at their low stam and eventually burst them. If we're talking about medium armor match ups then yes, a pet sorc has a huge advantage with all the passive damage the pets bring.

I´ve yet to see a stamDK/templar beat a petsorc with 3 pets + infernal guardian mines and elemental drain (double destro). The pets + infernal will pretty much provide enough dps for those to be constantly defending.
The familiar can pulse for over 5k crit on cursed targets - and thats basically only the passive dmg.

The only proper counter is a ranged build with:
a) mines
b) agony

A melee build can´t counter the scamp with cc because the sorc can simply stand on top of it. They will eat the dmg.

Sheuib

I think sorcs are fine just the way they are.

Subversus

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

I'm talking about the whole game nut just one server. Pet sorc is THE strongest dueling class. You have a 20k uncrittable shield (literally), 52k max magicka (in 1T, should be higher now), infernal guardian proc, 2 pets, wall of elements and mines. That's too much pressure.

As Kena has said, if you make that statement then it's pretty obvious that you don't have any good pet sorcs on NA.

Also regarding stam dk, a stam dk will never have enough pressure to put down a 20k uncrittable shield while sustaining pressure from 3 targets all dealing 52k max magicka worth of damage. A stamplar, maybe because of jabs + purge. Magplar on the other hand, I heard it actually counters pet sorc.

@Derra these dudes never met dracane, no wonder they don't know what a perfectly played pet sorc feels like

HoloYoitsu

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

I'm talking about the whole game nut just one server. Pet sorc is THE strongest dueling class. You have a 20k uncrittable shield (literally), 52k max magicka (in 1T, should be higher now), infernal guardian proc, 2 pets, wall of elements and mines. That's too much pressure.

As Kena has said, if you make that statement then it's pretty obvious that you don't have any good pet sorcs on NA.

Also regarding stam dk, a stam dk will never have enough pressure to put down a 20k uncrittable shield while sustaining pressure from 3 targets all dealing 52k max magicka worth of damage. A stamplar, maybe because of jabs + purge. Magplar on the other hand, I heard it actually counters pet sorc.

@Derra these dudes never met dracane, no wonder they don't know what a perfectly played pet sorc feels like

But that's just the thing, why should any of us care about how pets are in duels? Why are we arguing over how good pet sorc dueling builds are in duels?

Dueling in this game is already crap thanks to poisons first and foremost.

Outside of dueling you will never see this pet sorc build. 90% of the time you see a pet in PvP it's just a big sign screaming "free AP!" The other 10% are just troll builds that are going for "dat necropotato max mag".

Subversus

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

I'm talking about the whole game nut just one server. Pet sorc is THE strongest dueling class. You have a 20k uncrittable shield (literally), 52k max magicka (in 1T, should be higher now), infernal guardian proc, 2 pets, wall of elements and mines. That's too much pressure.

As Kena has said, if you make that statement then it's pretty obvious that you don't have any good pet sorcs on NA.

Also regarding stam dk, a stam dk will never have enough pressure to put down a 20k uncrittable shield while sustaining pressure from 3 targets all dealing 52k max magicka worth of damage. A stamplar, maybe because of jabs + purge. Magplar on the other hand, I heard it actually counters pet sorc.

@Derra these dudes never met dracane, no wonder they don't know what a perfectly played pet sorc feels like

But that's just the thing, why should any of us care about how pets are in duels? Why are we arguing over how good pet sorc dueling builds are in duels?

Dueling in this game is already crap thanks to poisons first and foremost.

Outside of dueling you will never see this pet sorc build. 90% of the time you see a pet in PvP it's just a big sign screaming "free AP!" The other 10% are just troll builds that are going for "dat necropotato max mag".

Exactly tbh. Pet sorcs are literally only good in dueling.

Idk how you guys have it on NA but we don't generally use poisons on EU, not cost poisons at least. It's not so bad, actually.

Biro123

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

LeifErickson wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Irylia wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Publius_Scipio honestly ur comments just seem to be an advertisement of one player vs other, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I personally don't care if u have a shrine of iralia in ur closet. But I can tell u this that iralia has been beaten by xevenex and has never beaten him when he still played. Iralia has lost to german on his sorc, he has lost to kena on his sorc, he has lost to a variety of other players as well. Duels don't matter to me man. Iralia is a great top tier player but .... I don't care cause right now the discussion is about magicka sorc being reworked not ur fixation on iralia thanks.

1. I've never dueled German. I have dueled his newest acc and I have all the recordings of 5+ wins.
2. I've dueled kena sorc 2 times. I won 1 (my friends were all there) and the other one was called off as kena had to go.
3. I've dueled xevenex outside of sej and we went 1/1 I never dueled him after 1 tam.

Stop spreading rumors. This is how micah bayer met his downfall.

We dueled in Stormhaven during One Tamriel. I went 3/2 on my sorc and took over a dozen wins on FRIGHT. You won one against her because my Witchmother's drink ran out at the start, killing my sustain, but that one was still a pretty long fight with some near kills. I went back to look at the clips to make sure those numbers were right.

I barely play my sorc, though. so I don't know why I'm being dragged into this.

Derra wrote: »

@Hexys haunting curse pretty much is nonexistant for pve as a sorc currently.

Wasn't that supposed to be some huge deal for PvE?

Kena I've never dueled your magsorc outside of cyro. But if you are so sure of your 3/2 I'll do a best of 5 and record all of them. No harness/pirate/resto ult.
Your magnb beat my pet sorc build and a bunch of other set ups that I tried (no wards/self healing/etc). Nice. Yes you did beat it a bunch. Nice. Make sure you specify.

You were on your pet sorc build in the sorc v sorc fights too. I only ever saw you dueling with pets during One Tamriel. Pet sorc is the best class for duels, and that was the big dueling patch, so I assumed you specced to pets because they were strong. You were using shields and Twilight Matriarch for healing when I saw you, too.

I brought the fights up to specify because you and Invel started talking about me for some reason, and you said that some other duel that I don't even remember was our only fight. When did that fight happen anyway?

Pretty embarrassing for a pet sorc to lose to a magblade tbh. Guy should be quiet, you exposed him on the absolute strongest dueling class in the current meta while playing one of the weaker ones (dueling wise).

Mageblade is not weak 1v1. Whether it's better than a pet sorc I'm not sure.

Pet sorc is the absolute strongest 1v1 class, that's undebatable.

No it's not....

I'm talking about the whole game nut just one server. Pet sorc is THE strongest dueling class. You have a 20k uncrittable shield (literally), 52k max magicka (in 1T, should be higher now), infernal guardian proc, 2 pets, wall of elements and mines. That's too much pressure.

As Kena has said, if you make that statement then it's pretty obvious that you don't have any good pet sorcs on NA.

Also regarding stam dk, a stam dk will never have enough pressure to put down a 20k uncrittable shield while sustaining pressure from 3 targets all dealing 52k max magicka worth of damage. A stamplar, maybe because of jabs + purge. Magplar on the other hand, I heard it actually counters pet sorc.

@Derra these dudes never met dracane, no wonder they don't know what a perfectly played pet sorc feels like

But that's just the thing, why should any of us care about how pets are in duels? Why are we arguing over how good pet sorc dueling builds are in duels?

Dueling in this game is already crap thanks to poisons first and foremost.

Outside of dueling you will never see this pet sorc build. 90% of the time you see a pet in PvP it's just a big sign screaming "free AP!" The other 10% are just troll builds that are going for "dat necropotato max mag".

Damn.. I'm both a troll and a potato... *sniff*. Since when was it bad in an MMO to try to max your stats?

Izaki

Irylia wrote: »

@Lord_Hev They will never understand us. These peasants haven't played msorc through thick and thin like we have. I remember after DBH patch no one was playing sorc because of the nerfs. Sure enough they hop back on when we get destro ult/pirate skel and almost near homestead.

Sypher, KR, Jedi, Kodi, etc. The list goes on for players who put sorc down over that period and still hardly pick it up. Granted two of those players no longer play eso.

Also looking at the top tier sorcs and how "op" they are isn't a good evaluation. Take the general mill of sorc players and all of them crumple to multiple enemies (now they barely cling on with pirate). If I have to I will get knitty gritty and show extensive changes that can be unbiased. Heck, look at my earlier post about some changes. I think those streak options were valid.

Irylia wrote: »

Sorc Changes:

1. Change how Pirate skeleton applies/works with shields (This is the biggest set strength a sorc can obtain currently and the up time is pretty insane). I wouldn't mind this being changed which will help other classes kill sorcs.
-6 second up time 6 second down.
3. Fix streak with 1 of the various options.
2a. Every time you streak the cost increase will remain the same but if you are gap closed by an enemy the next streak won't increase in cost. Every time someone gap closes you it will remain at the current "stacked" cost. You can apply this by saying are you gap closed 1-2 seconds after your streak cast? If so your next streak within 1/2 seconds wont have an increased cost.
2b. Remove the delay on the front or end of streak.
2c. Have streak remove slows/snares.

3. Destro ult should be completely reworked into a 150 ult based on your destro staff.
-Inferno: Lobs a fireball at a single target. Can't be dodge but can be blocked. increases your damage to that target by 8% for x seconds (6?).
-Ice: Creates an AOE ice ring (think of the ice atro boss in IC) that shoots out frost clenches in a radius. rooting enemies who enter and dealing damage over time.
-Lightning: A cone much like DB. Disorient targets in the cone and deal mag damage.

*Note* This change of ult removes the extra particles which could add to server strain and most importantly removes the aids gameplay that we now have. Pop destro and run around.
-If nothing else have destro ult deal damage based on enemies in the aoe. (Think of prox det)

Even an indirect buff to streak in the form of "All gap closers work like streak" Spam it and it increases in cost.

Everything's fire except that destro ult suggestion.