Magicka Sorcerors OP !!??? Should the class be reworked? Will streak ever get buffed?

Lord_Invel

Oh and can we already give stam sorcs like a stamina hardened ward or like stam crystal punch or somthing lol. Cant we all agree that nobody in this damn game uses crystal blast and empowered ward at all so why not just give stam sorc a stamina morph of each of them. It seems like zos just buffs pets every *** patch which doesn't solve anything and just makes the class more annoying.

NightbladeMechanics

I don't think shield stacking is in need of a nerf. If you want to nerf sorc defense, nerf Pirate Skeleton. Sorc defense feels fine to me without it (I never use it or resto ult), both as the sorc and when fighting against them.

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Cant we all agree that nobody in this damn game uses crystal blast

May the rage of Hskbret be upon you.

Lord_Hev

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Oh and can we already give stam sorcs like a stamina hardened ward.

Not funny man. I will legit have nightmares.

Lord_Invel

@NightbladeMechanics I understand that stacking shields will be no problem for dot dueling builds or someone with a skill level such as ur self or zendran on destro magblade lol. However i do see it carry a lot of people to not die at all in sorc v sorc. For example I'm not gonna name anyone but i dueled this mag sorc literally today. And the majority of the fight all he was doing was spam shields to save his life. Keep in minde i was dueling him without harness only hardened and healing ward while he used all three shields at his disposal. I bursted him down to 10 percent 8 times in the fight while he never got me below 84 percent health in the entirety of the 11 minute duel lol. How can someone do this and not lose to loss of resource management lol. A major problem I see in this game is the fact that we have battle spirit and don't have soft caps which plauges this game in many ways. But mag sorcs never became truly op until after 1.4 patch where they made shields spammable.... which was the worst idea ever made. If they made them spammable then they shouldn't have made shields stackable..... only synergistically one shield should stack with healing ward.

Lord_Invel

@NightbladeMechanics and i hope hskbret doesn't chase me down and shoot me in my sleep

Lord_Invel

@Lord_Hev But its the truth stam sorc has always been *** until recently lol and now that the heavy armor meta is going to get nerfed they will suffer in sustain again unless zos doesn't touch bone pirate armor set lol. I understand the game isn't balanced towards 1v1s but in all honestly it flipping should be because people take way to much pride in winning a duel when duels are so imbalanced due to armor sets imbalance and class imbalance. So zos may as well give stam sorc crystal punch and stamward for all i care cause it doesn't seem zos gives a flying *** about balance. Might as well make classes look and play cool lol.

NightbladeMechanics

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics I understand that stacking shields will be no problem for dot dueling builds or someone with a skill level such as ur self or zendran on destro magblade lol. However i do see it carry a lot of people to not die at all in sorc v sorc. For example I'm not gonna name anyone but i dueled this mag sorc literally today. And the majority of the fight all he was doing was spam shields to save his life. Keep in minde i was dueling him without harness only hardened and healing ward while he used all three shields at his disposal. I bursted him down to 10 percent 8 times in the fight while he never got me below 84 percent health in the entirety of the 11 minute duel lol. How can someone do this and not lose to loss of resource management lol. A major problem I see in this game is the fact that we have battle spirit and don't have soft caps which plauges this game in many ways. But mag sorcs never became truly op until after 1.4 patch where they made shields spammable.... which was the worst idea ever made. If they made them spammable then they shouldn't have made shields stackable..... only synergistically one shield should stack with healing ward.

If you'd have had Endless Fury on him any of those 8 times you bursted him down to 10%, he'd have died. No typical light armor 21k health sorc build will survive that at 4k health (20%). The execute's unbuffed tooltip is over 12k. What's the problem here again?

Lord_Invel

@NightbladeMechanics oh no lol even when my fury procced he would survive it cause all he would continue to do is spam shields and he had 25k health actually XD. However there are many times that fury doesn't kill sorc when u have them down at execute because the shield immediately before the fury hits them due to lag from the server. All that aside he managed to stay alive simply by spamming shields and cc breaking fast enough lol which should be punishable then after the 11 minutes of our duel i got ganked by two nightblades mid duel lmao. I may as well have slotted innerlight for more crit and better overall shields and damage.

Lord_Hev

Lord_Invel wrote: »

@Lord_Hev But its the truth stam sorc has always been *** until recently lol and now that the heavy armor meta is going to get nerfed they will suffer in sustain again

Good. I hope they suffer for their rerolling heresy and repent as they dump gold crawling back to a magic sorc spec.

Lord_Invel

@Lord_Hev im pretty sure i know ur mag sorc build btw i can guess it in my first try cause i myself have done insane max mag builds

Derra

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I don't think shield stacking is in need of a nerf. If you want to nerf sorc defense, nerf Pirate Skeleton. Sorc defense feels fine to me without it (I never use it or resto ult), both as the sorc and when fighting against them.

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Cant we all agree that nobody in this damn game uses crystal blast

May the rage of Hskbret be upon you.

I think some builds with 46k+ magica without pets or toggles can also be very tedious to fight in encounters with less than 3 people per side. Harness magica needs a fixed resource return for these scenarios - as it simply yields too much resources when used on a high magica builds making all sustain fighting magica opponents irrelevant at some point.


How i´d go about shields which will probably never happen because it´s too much work:
Personally i´d like to get rid of stacking harness/dampen and hardened entirely but in the process creating a mechanic for 5p of light armor to something similar like wrath only for shields and defense.
Every attacker proccs reinforced wards increasing strengh of damage shield abilities by 5%/7% for 5s. Stacks up to 5 times. You can only gain one stack per opponent.

This could be coupled with the harness morph being reworked into a general use very minor magica return buff when hit with magica abilities - making it useful for all armor types in the process (much like shuffle - or less immovable).
Dampen could be kept as the shield option for other builds and have it´s cost reduced by ~5 to 10%.

Healing ward should see a reduction in it´s shieldscaling down from 300% to ~200% BUT in return should have it´s intial heal scale by up to 150%.
While you might say this sounds like a buff to healing ward - no it would not be that. It would solve A LOT of the issues healing ward currently creates when used on very low health. The bigger heal would make the next healing ward weaker when spammed in the process making it more useful as an emergency burst heal but reducing it´s vaiability as a cheese low HP "i can´t die nae nae" mechanic.

After these changes a mechanic could be implemented to not allow for shields to cover more than 75% of the casters HP (150% for pve) - making super high magica builds a little less desireable.

NightbladeMechanics

Derra wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I don't think shield stacking is in need of a nerf. If you want to nerf sorc defense, nerf Pirate Skeleton. Sorc defense feels fine to me without it (I never use it or resto ult), both as the sorc and when fighting against them.

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Cant we all agree that nobody in this damn game uses crystal blast

May the rage of Hskbret be upon you.

I think some builds with 46k+ magica without pets or toggles can also be very tedious to fight in encounters with less than 3 people per side.

Idk, @Lord_Hev was pretty eager to duel me a couple times the other day, suspiciously right before he put out that exposed video, and I didn't have a problem with his shields.

Derra wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I don't think shield stacking is in need of a nerf. If you want to nerf sorc defense, nerf Pirate Skeleton. Sorc defense feels fine to me without it (I never use it or resto ult), both as the sorc and when fighting against them.

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Cant we all agree that nobody in this damn game uses crystal blast

May the rage of Hskbret be upon you.

Harness magica needs a fixed resource return for these scenarios - as it simply yields too much resources when used on a high magica builds making all sustain fighting magica opponents irrelevant at some point.

How exactly does harness' magicka return work? I saw you write at one point that there's a max magicka level where the return from harness pays for both it and hardened.

Derra wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

I don't think shield stacking is in need of a nerf. If you want to nerf sorc defense, nerf Pirate Skeleton. Sorc defense feels fine to me without it (I never use it or resto ult), both as the sorc and when fighting against them.

Lord_Invel wrote: »

Cant we all agree that nobody in this damn game uses crystal blast

May the rage of Hskbret be upon you.

How i´d go about shields which will probably never happen because it´s too much work:
Personally i´d like to get rid of stacking harness/dampen and hardened entirely but in the process creating a mechanic for 5p of light armor to something similar like wrath only for shields and defense.
Every attacker proccs reinforced wards increasing strengh of damage shield abilities by 5%/7% for 5s. Stacks up to 5 times. You can only gain one stack per opponent.

This could be coupled with the harness morph being reworked into a general use very minor magica return buff when hit with magica abilities - making it useful for all armor types in the process (much like shuffle - or less immovable).
Dampen could be kept as the shield option for other builds and have it´s cost reduced by ~5 to 10%.

Healing ward should see a reduction in it´s shieldscaling down from 300% to ~200% BUT in return should have it´s intial heal scale by up to 150%.
While you might say this sounds like a buff to healing ward - no it would not be that. It would solve A LOT of the issues healing ward currently creates when used on very low health. The bigger heal would make the next healing ward weaker when spammed in the process making it more useful as an emergency burst heal but reducing it´s vaiability as a cheese low HP "i can´t die nae nae" mechanic.

After these changes a mechanic could be implemented to not allow for shields to cover more than 75% of the casters HP (150% for pve) - making super high magica builds a little less desireable.

I would love that change to healing ward. I am intrigued by your suggestions for annulment and light armor. Giving light armor a defensive mechanic which scales with the number of attackers, nerfing harness' sustain, and making harness useful for non-light armor builds sound like good directions to move in to me.

Ragnaroek93

Well it's hard to disagree that magicka is overperforming at the moment. I don't think that stacking shields is the issue, I think the problem is more that Harness Magicka makes sustaining a nobrainer as soon as you get hit by magicka damage. Dampen Magicka is pretty much as strong as Hardened Ward now and basically every magicka build who runs it together with Skeleton Pirate and Shuffle becomes ridiculous tanky and not only sorc. Hardened Ward is the defensive skill from magsorcs, other classes have other defensive skills which stack with Dampen/Harness Magicka (which is available to everyone) too.

I think the main reason why magsorc outperforms other classes on light armor are curse and fragments. Curse actually ignores block and roll because why not (and I still see many magsorcs who are complaining that templars can purge it lmao). The problem with fragments is that it is damage which is generated by RNG. It doesn't hit harder than Assassins Will for example but the difference is that it can potentially proc several times in a row while other hard hitting abilities have some kind of cooldown (Assassins Will, Backlash, Curse, empowered Whip or dot abilities for example) which can't result in such an insane pressure in a very short amount of time as frags can.

Lord_Hev

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.


@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

NightbladeMechanics

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Derra

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Harness magica needs a fixed resource return for these scenarios - as it simply yields too much resources when used on a high magica builds making all sustain fighting magica opponents irrelevant at some point.

How exactly does harness' magicka return work? I saw you write at one point that there's a max magicka level where the return from harness pays for both it and hardened.

Harness return scales with max magica as base - which then gets modified by the pieces of light armor you´re wearing.
On 6p light with ~38k maxmag you´ll see 3x1550 return.
On 6p light with ~40k you´ll see 3x1650 (this is the breakpoint where hardened costs 2182, harness 2853 costs roughly the same as harness returns for one cast).
On 6p light with ~44k you get ~1810 meaning every time you stack shields returns you 450 magica for doing it against magica opponents.
Realistically you can go up to ~48k magica on nontoggle builds in the process making you largely independent from regeneration when fighting magica builds.

The key is that harness also returns magica when hardened ward absorbs the dmg. Meaning casting hardened into harness will always grand you full return even against large hits.
It also proccs on every dot - so streaking away with entropy/vamp bane on can be used to generate magica with harness for example.

Lord_Hev

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

Minalan

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

How do you deal with the perma block tank DK's with a HAM build?

An armor pen build doesn't help much, curse and Magicka poison might eventually help after an hour or so of beating on them. The only sorc mechanic that works against blocking is rune prison, and they just immediately break it.

I usually just end up walking away. it sucks when one shows up to a resource farm to ruin your fun.

Lord_Hev

Minalan wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

How do you deal with the perma block tank DK's with a HAM build?

I use them to build ultimate so I can nuke one of the bowtards in the back with another potential record-breaking Shooting Star.

thankyourat

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

How do you deal with the perma block tank DK's with a HAM build?

I use them to build ultimate so I can nuke one of the bowtards in the back with another potential record-breaking Shooting Star.

Dk's will still have good damage though. I know some sword and board dk's who are really tanky but will still hit you for 10k leaps

Minalan

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

How do you deal with the perma block tank DK's with a HAM build?

I use them to build ultimate so I can nuke one of the bowtards in the back with another potential record-breaking Shooting Star.

Dk's will still have good damage though. I know some sword and board dk's who are really tanky but will still hit you for 10k leaps

I can fire off a curse and a frag timed perfectly with a rune prison through your block.

Neither of us will kill one another though. Ever.

Lord_Hev

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

How do you deal with the perma block tank DK's with a HAM build?

I use them to build ultimate so I can nuke one of the bowtards in the back with another potential record-breaking Shooting Star.

Dk's will still have good damage though. I know some sword and board dk's who are really tanky but will still hit you for 10k leaps

I've managed to kill some of "those" in openworld 1v1s to my own delightful surprise. Granted a lot of user error was made on their end. An experienced min-maxed and effectively played one however, I cannot touch on my own.

Biro123

Lord_Hev wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

How do you deal with the perma block tank DK's with a HAM build?

I use them to build ultimate so I can nuke one of the bowtards in the back with another potential record-breaking Shooting Star.

Dk's will still have good damage though. I know some sword and board dk's who are really tanky but will still hit you for 10k leaps

I've managed to kill some of "those" in openworld 1v1s to my own delightful surprise. Granted a lot of user error was made on their end. An experienced min-maxed and effectively played one however, I cannot touch on my own.

I can't touch them either..

but don't forget chaps - sorc OP!

Only tools I have on my standard open-world build are curse and eye of the storm. Even then its not enough alone and needs pressure from other players too. (then they get salty you used an expensive ulti on a soloer)

Remember chaps - sorc OP.

I mean its not like these DK's can't sustain for ever blocking against multiple opponents and then bring out the burst.. They may complain about mobility - but they all run mist-form.

Sorc OP - don't be forgetting!

Then you get a group of 3 of these DK's backed up with a guarded Templar - tanking a massive amount of the enemy and bursting targets down one by one with their timed ulti's

Nerf Sorcs!

NightbladeMechanics

I prefer dueling pet sorcs to meta snb stam dks.

I had someone tell me in a stream chat last night that stam dk has a high skill cap and that's why not many people play it. Had a good laugh at that one.

@Lord_Hev tell Monty I loved her work on the trailer. Looking forward to the build vid.

Ragnaroek93

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

Well to be fair... if heavy armor stambuilds get nerfed you can remove stamina from the game as well. In medium armor I die to my friend on his manablade just to Trollstrike and one Skoria proc, that's completely ridiculous... yes I blocked through the whole duration but there is no way that I don't drop at least into execute range against this freaking 90k soul strike tooltips. I literally die to most over average players with a decent build while wearing medium armor. Also from my daily dueling experience I can say that medium armor are by far the easiest to beat.
I don't say that heavy isn't overperforming in some ways (especially with Redguard, without it it's much weaker in my opinion) but nerfing heavy armor and leave the rest as it is right now would destroy stamina completely (well maybe some gankers and full procset nightblades would stick to it but that's about it).

Btw I don't get the illusion of this strong stamina dks. Seems to me like a weird hype on NA server again. Barely have any problems against them with my nightblade/magsorc, almost all of them melt and the others don't have damage at all. Not stronger than other classes in heavy armor in my opinion.

NightbladeMechanics

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

Btw I don't get the illusion of this strong stamina dks. Seems to me like a weird hype on NA server again. Barely have any problems against them with my nightblade/magsorc, almost all of them melt and the others don't have damage at all. Not stronger than other classes in heavy armor in my opinion.

Wut m8?

The differences between the servers is so interesting to me.

Izaki

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

Well to be fair... if heavy armor stambuilds get nerfed you can remove stamina from the game as well. In medium armor I die to my friend on his manablade just to Trollstrike and one Skoria proc, that's completely ridiculous... yes I blocked through the whole duration but there is no way that I don't drop at least into execute range against this freaking 90k soul strike tooltips. I literally die to most over average players with a decent build while wearing medium armor. Also from my daily dueling experience I can say that medium armor are by far the easiest to beat.
I don't say that heavy isn't overperforming in some ways (especially with Redguard, without it it's much weaker in my opinion) but nerfing heavy armor and leave the rest as it is right now would destroy stamina completely (well maybe some gankers and full procset nightblades would stick to it but that's about it).

Btw I don't get the illusion of this strong stamina dks. Seems to me like a weird hype on NA server again. Barely have any problems against them with my nightblade/magsorc, almost all of them melt and the others don't have damage at all. Not stronger than other classes in heavy armor in my opinion.

A properly built stam DK (aka ultimate regen) isn't going to die or run out of resources. they only thing it might not be able to do is kill you.

thankyourat

Biro123 wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

How do you deal with the perma block tank DK's with a HAM build?

I use them to build ultimate so I can nuke one of the bowtards in the back with another potential record-breaking Shooting Star.

Dk's will still have good damage though. I know some sword and board dk's who are really tanky but will still hit you for 10k leaps

I've managed to kill some of "those" in openworld 1v1s to my own delightful surprise. Granted a lot of user error was made on their end. An experienced min-maxed and effectively played one however, I cannot touch on my own.

I can't touch them either..

but don't forget chaps - sorc OP!

Only tools I have on my standard open-world build are curse and eye of the storm. Even then its not enough alone and needs pressure from other players too. (then they get salty you used an expensive ulti on a soloer)

Remember chaps - sorc OP.

I mean its not like these DK's can't sustain for ever blocking against multiple opponents and then bring out the burst.. They may complain about mobility - but they all run mist-form.

Sorc OP - don't be forgetting!

Then you get a group of 3 of these DK's backed up with a guarded Templar - tanking a massive amount of the enemy and bursting targets down one by one with their timed ulti's

Nerf Sorcs!

Lol I get hate mail from dk's all the time calling me bad because I used eots on them. It's literally the only way to kill some of them

Subversus

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

I propose that streak should go through block as an interrupt like it used to be and make curse blockable. Also lower the cost penalty of streak to 25 or 35 percent and make hardened ward and harness magicka shield not stackable at all. The only shields that should stack are combos like hardened/ healing or harness/healing. Shield spamming and shield stacking constantly doesn't let a light armor mag sorc that is supposed to be squishy die at all. It is quite ridiculous that light armor mag sorcs can tank in pve and pvp with shield spamming.

I sort of agree with the whole hardened/harness thing. Now I don't play magsorc but if a light armor destro/resto magblade can survive just fine with 2 shields then so can sorcs.

Magblades have cloak, Major evasion, Hots from Swallow Soul, and a passive that gives a small buff to base stam regen that can be easily built upon for reactive use of dodging/blocking important hits.

I was talking about light armor. If shields are down on a magblade, th

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

Well to be fair... if heavy armor stambuilds get nerfed you can remove stamina from the game as well. In medium armor I die to my friend on his manablade just to Trollstrike and one Skoria proc, that's completely ridiculous... yes I blocked through the whole duration but there is no way that I don't drop at least into execute range against this freaking 90k soul strike tooltips. I literally die to most over average players with a decent build while wearing medium armor. Also from my daily dueling experience I can say that medium armor are by far the easiest to beat.
I don't say that heavy isn't overperforming in some ways (especially with Redguard, without it it's much weaker in my opinion) but nerfing heavy armor and leave the rest as it is right now would destroy stamina completely (well maybe some gankers and full procset nightblades would stick to it but that's about it).

Btw I don't get the illusion of this strong stamina dks. Seems to me like a weird hype on NA server again. Barely have any problems against them with my nightblade/magsorc, almost all of them melt and the others don't have damage at all. Not stronger than other classes in heavy armor in my opinion.

A properly built stam DK (aka ultimate regen) isn't going to die or run out of resources. they only thing it might not be able to do is kill you.

I have actually been meaning to try an ult regen duel build on my stamdk relying on some OP mechanics... theoretically it should be stupid OP against stam, though that's always different in practice. And I wouldn't be able to go through shieldstackets either, but at least it'd be fun against heavy armor

Derra

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Invel wrote: »

I propose that streak should go through block as an interrupt like it used to be and make curse blockable. Also lower the cost penalty of streak to 25 or 35 percent and make hardened ward and harness magicka shield not stackable at all. The only shields that should stack are combos like hardened/ healing or harness/healing. Shield spamming and shield stacking constantly doesn't let a light armor mag sorc that is supposed to be squishy die at all. It is quite ridiculous that light armor mag sorcs can tank in pve and pvp with shield spamming.

I sort of agree with the whole hardened/harness thing. Now I don't play magsorc but if a light armor destro/resto magblade can survive just fine with 2 shields then so can sorcs.

Magblades have cloak, Major evasion, Hots from Swallow Soul, and a passive that gives a small buff to base stam regen that can be easily built upon for reactive use of dodging/blocking important hits.

I was talking about light armor. If shields are down on a magblade, th

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Doesn't matter how big your shields are. They melt when you maintain constant passive damage on them. I also was impatient the 2nd fight, the second I saw that you put shade on, I pretty much just stopped caring. No point trying to burst a heavy armor magblade using harness with minor maim 100% uptime on me.

I don't use harness, and with your damage, shouldn't minor maim be manageable?

Shows 22k+ frags in trailer video, is dismayed at 24k health opponent using a damage debuff.

Lord_Hev wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Maybe next time I'll just throw on Pirate Skeleton on top of a 50k magic pool?

Hey, try it if you have to.

Hilarious videos by the way. I need to learn to edit like that.

Not against heavy armor. Minor maim + heavy armor resists effectively guts builds that rely on pure burst potential. But it's fine with me. Polar extreme builds should naturally be countered by a build using well rounded resists and proper usage of everything their class has to offer.

Wish the same could be said of all these stam builds stacking damage with little sacrifice... And while being able to wear heavy armor....

Nerf Sorc.



Montayva was the creator and editor of the trailer. I still have much to learn

Well to be fair... if heavy armor stambuilds get nerfed you can remove stamina from the game as well. In medium armor I die to my friend on his manablade just to Trollstrike and one Skoria proc, that's completely ridiculous... yes I blocked through the whole duration but there is no way that I don't drop at least into execute range against this freaking 90k soul strike tooltips. I literally die to most over average players with a decent build while wearing medium armor. Also from my daily dueling experience I can say that medium armor are by far the easiest to beat.
I don't say that heavy isn't overperforming in some ways (especially with Redguard, without it it's much weaker in my opinion) but nerfing heavy armor and leave the rest as it is right now would destroy stamina completely (well maybe some gankers and full procset nightblades would stick to it but that's about it).

Btw I don't get the illusion of this strong stamina dks. Seems to me like a weird hype on NA server again. Barely have any problems against them with my nightblade/magsorc, almost all of them melt and the others don't have damage at all. Not stronger than other classes in heavy armor in my opinion.

A properly built stam DK (aka ultimate regen) isn't going to die or run out of resources. they only thing it might not be able to do is kill you.

I have actually been meaning to try an ult regen duel build on my stamdk relying on some OP mechanics... theoretically it should be stupid OP against stam, though that's always different in practice. And I wouldn't be able to go through shieldstackets either, but at least it'd be fun against heavy armor

The problem with ult gain is the dmg loss. You gain sustain via ultimates but you won´t bet able to make up for the dmg you loose by not going flatout dmg sets (which also buff your defense).