Would you like a "normal" skin to hide vampirism?
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Artemiisia✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nolive by the chooses you make, you cant just get the powers and not the downsides.
Now when thats said, I think a remake of how vampires looks like should be taken up
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mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoThis poll really should be called:
Do you want Vampirism buffs without being/looking like a Vampire?
No. Thats ridiculous.3 -
AnviOfVai✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nokatiesmith12341 wrote: »You want the powers that a vampire has? well you are gonna get the look! an advantage for a disadvantage haha!
I agree though the Tattoos could be more prominent on the skin of the vampire, as I find them too faded to see, I do like the tinge of purple though which is pretty nice.
But other than this there is no need for a *skin* or a *gloss over* on the vampire look. Like I have said before, you decided to become undead to get the powers of the vamp, your going to have to sacrifice the way you look.
Eh... can't agree. Vampires are fictitious creatures. They don't "look" like anything because they don't exist. So they could look like anything, including like a fairly normal living person like Interview With A Vampire. They could also look like the split-jawed zombies from Blade 2, or werewolf/bat creatures like Bram Stoker's Dracula, or the twinkling disco-balls of Twighlight.
I think there's a solid argument for allowing vampires to look like normal people in that regard. Depending on the mythology, vampires lived amongst their prey, and to do that they had to blend in.
They needed to look normal to not only survive, but also to be effective predators. That means they couldn't stick out like a sore thumb by looking so strung-out and zombie-ish.katiesmith12341 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »IMO you should not be able to hide being a Vamp- if you want the benefits you have to take the consequences too. However, I would like to see the look of being a Vamp redone and made to look like an actual Vamp and not a sickly zombie
The sickly zombie is only shown if you don't drink..when you say "actual vamp" there are many different opinions on how vampires look, I think ESO did a very good job of portraying the vampire appearance
I already put this before about Vampires not having an actual look, as there are different ways of how stories and lore portray them. They only look sickley when they don't drink, the normal look of a vampire is not all that too bad, you halve glowy eyes and whiter skin. Looking like normal characters...I guess that could be debated.. I still don't think it should be changed though but everyone is entitled to their opinion
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Just go do vMoL and slop on the the Dro-m'Anthra skin. Or do SotH dungeon achievements and get the Spiderkith skin or the Amber Plasm skin. Or farm the center in the sewers and get the Soul Shriven skin.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭✭Yeskatiesmith12341 wrote: »katiesmith12341 wrote: »You want the powers that a vampire has? well you are gonna get the look! an advantage for a disadvantage haha!
I agree though the Tattoos could be more prominent on the skin of the vampire, as I find them too faded to see, I do like the tinge of purple though which is pretty nice.
But other than this there is no need for a *skin* or a *gloss over* on the vampire look. Like I have said before, you decided to become undead to get the powers of the vamp, your going to have to sacrifice the way you look.
Eh... can't agree. Vampires are fictitious creatures. They don't "look" like anything because they don't exist. So they could look like anything, including like a fairly normal living person like Interview With A Vampire. They could also look like the split-jawed zombies from Blade 2, or werewolf/bat creatures like Bram Stoker's Dracula, or the twinkling disco-balls of Twighlight.
I think there's a solid argument for allowing vampires to look like normal people in that regard. Depending on the mythology, vampires lived amongst their prey, and to do that they had to blend in.
They needed to look normal to not only survive, but also to be effective predators. That means they couldn't stick out like a sore thumb by looking so strung-out and zombie-ish.katiesmith12341 wrote: »DurzoBlint13 wrote: »IMO you should not be able to hide being a Vamp- if you want the benefits you have to take the consequences too. However, I would like to see the look of being a Vamp redone and made to look like an actual Vamp and not a sickly zombie
The sickly zombie is only shown if you don't drink..when you say "actual vamp" there are many different opinions on how vampires look, I think ESO did a very good job of portraying the vampire appearance
I already put this before about Vampires not having an actual look, as there are different ways of how stories and lore portray them. They only look sickley when they don't drink, the normal look of a vampire is not all that too bad, you halve glowy eyes and whiter skin. Looking like normal characters...I guess that could be debated.. I still don't think it should be changed though but everyone is entitled to their opinion
Doesn't it bother you that the NPCs in the game completely ignore it?
You're walking around looking like a disfigured blood-sucking fiend of the night and the NPCs act like it's totally normal. I mean, that's just bad writing, there.
The difference between good fiction and bad fiction is the author's ability to make the material relatable to normal people. Fantastical situations need fantastical explanations, and characters need to react to those things in a way that makes sense to normal people.
Yet there is no intuitive reason for why the NPCs don't give a crap about how your character looks. If the character looks like a monster, they should be treated like one, but they're not.
At least having the option to hide the vampirism so you look normal provides an explanation for why the NPCs don't freak out at the sight of your character.
I suppose the other option would be for Zenimax to add an alternate PvE storyline and questioning path built entirely around vampires to make up for the unrelatability of the current system... that could be kind of cool.Edited by srfrogg23 on February 10, 2017 5:21PM2 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesDoesn't it bother you that the NPCs in the game completely ignore it?
I find it unintentionally hilarious when vampire hunters miss it. Like in Grahtwood and Greenshade. Also, when other vampires don't respond to your, "clearly, I'm not a vampire," replies with the slightest idea that you may have been sarcastic.
Same thing happens with werewolves.
Werewolf Hunter, "He's a werewolf, I can tell."
Werewolf Player, "How?"
WW Hunter: "No werewolf can resist this amulet, it forces them to show their true nature." *Hands it to the player.*
WW Player: "Nifty."2 -
DurzoBlint13✭✭✭✭NoDurzoBlint13 wrote: »2/3 of the platforms ESO is played on do NOT even have access to addons. I know most forum users are PC players but there is still a decent population of us console peasants here too
All platforms have access to polymorphs though, and they already hide your vampirism.
Having yet another way to hide vampirism won't suddenly break the game since there is such mechanic in the game already.
and I still think it should not be possible to hide it. Having an addon that identifies a Vamp even when using a Skin does not benefit anyone but PC players. Im sorry, I did not mean to turn this into a console vs PC debate. I should have worded my comments better. I just get tired of people telling me to deal with things because they can get around those things by using addons- vampirism, motif previews, DPS parses, Combat text, lore book hunting, Buff/DeBuff timers, etc.
On the original topic of Vampirism, I think we just have to agree to disagree on that one. Thank you for at least being more civil than most opposing comments. 0 -
Miaura✭✭✭YesIzakiBrotherSs wrote: »Just go do vMoL and slop on the the Dro-m'Anthra skin. Or do SotH dungeon achievements and get the Spiderkith skin or the Amber Plasm skin. Or farm the center in the sewers and get the Soul Shriven skin.
Thats the thing, any lvl one "pleieb" sry, no offence to the considerable effort to achieving the afore mentioned skins, but any lvl one can wear any skins another char has gotten to "hide" vampirism, some of wich can be bought at lvl 1 like the pumpkin headed halloween one, soulshriven earlier or atm soulshriven from the clown crates if enough luck or money bumbed in...
But people saying yes here mostly dont want to "hide" vampirism under another "monster appearance", they want the option to look mortal at times, a mortal "skin".
Heck, id be ready to do a quest for that, with ma Lamae, would be nice, I rly liked the short vamp quest and would love to see more into that
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Edit; typos.Edited by Miaura on February 10, 2017 5:31PM0 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesYes, if only so all my guildies can hide their gross indiscretions.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Alpheu5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoI just want the tattoos to actually be visible, but I'm guessing that has more to do with how the vampirism effect and tattoo itself are layered over the player model, and the fact that the tattoos themselves are entire skin/scale meshes.Dalek-Rok - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Shād - Argonian Nightblade || Dalek-Shul - Argonian Templar || Dalek-Xal - Argonian Dragonknight || Mounts-the-Snout - Argonian Warden || Dalek-Xul - Argonian Necromancer || Two-Spires - Argonian Arcanist || Dalek-Nesh - Argonian Sorcerer || Dalek-Kör - Argonian DragonknightJudas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.1 -
Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
That doesn't make any sense. Why are you vampire if you aren't using your vampire abilities? Seems that maybe you don't need to be one.0 -
Iliaz✭✭YesPeople saying you have to live with the downsides are god damn ridculous.
If you forgot, i gonna tell you folks the real downsides we already have to life with:- We take alot more fire damage, 25% is no small deal
- Diminished Health Recovery (it's basically non existant and alot of times makes the difference between living or not
- We get countered by so much stuff in PvP. Silver Bolts, Expert Hunter, and so on
- The maintainence is very high, if you wanna constantly stay at level 1 or 2
So yes looking ugly on top of that is just plain stupid and unfair, especially as a redguard or dunmer both which look especially horrible as vampires.
Now let's look at Werewolfs:
They profit from having the line without even being in werewolf form, while at the same time not suffering from their skill lines disadvantages unless transformed.
Even while transformed their disadvantages are not nearly as volatile as the vampire line, basically being only countered by fighters guild.
Ofc there are people who like the look. And that is fine! Just give us a toggle so you can choose if you wanna look pale or not.
Secondly, the argument that you have to be able to notice a vampire in pvp is just plain wrong, PC or Console you won't notice if someone is a Vamp when he wears a helmet. And i haven't seen or heard of anyone running an addon that tells them they are fighting a Vamp. Why would they? they can easily see it by the abilities they use.3 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm not gonna vote and throw off the poll however, I don't agree that vampires should be able to hide their look. Now I'm O K with the game offering gameplay towards this but not a disguise or costume or even skin cause they already exist to some extent just not purely to hide your existence.
You also get skills with it so there needs to be a permanent effect
Actually the game could offer a skin to pretend you're a vampire tho. But not to remove the actual change or effects if you are one. Meaning...if you are a vampire, said skin would be blockedEdited by NewBlacksmurf on February 10, 2017 5:58PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes
That doesn't make any sense. Why are you vampire if you aren't using your vampire abilities? Seems that maybe you don't need to be one.
You're on the verge of understanding the absurdity of your initial post.
You don't think people should be able to hide their vampirism simply because they want to "have their cake and eat it, too". - a bad thing!
Now, you are saying having vampire abilities and being able to use them is "having your cake and eating it, too". - perfectly acceptable thing.
Ya wanna maybe pick a spot for the goal-post and leave it there?3 -
Molydeus✭✭✭✭✭
✭No
That doesn't make any sense. Why are you vampire if you aren't using your vampire abilities? Seems that maybe you don't need to be one.
You're on the verge of understanding the absurdity of your initial post.
You don't think people should be able to hide their vampirism simply because they want to "have their cake and eat it, too". - a bad thing!
Now, you are saying having vampire abilities and being able to use them is "having your cake and eating it, too". - perfectly acceptable thing.
Ya wanna maybe pick a spot for the goal-post and leave it there?
I'm reasonably certain you're not following me. Understandable given the complexity of one-liner replying, though you could act like less of a patronising twit in the process.
As a vampire you have access to several passives that are enormous PvE boons, so much so that most magicka players consider them essential to maximizing play at the endgame. These boons are not available to non-vampires.
There are downsides too, as there should be. You take additional damage from fire and you're ugly. This is good. There has to be tradeoffs or even more people would become vampires.
But now you're saying you want to have all the benefits and also remove a downside? The fire damage isn't an insurmountable problem if you anticipate and don't stand in it. I know because I'm a vampire who always lives in Stage 4.
People complaining about the way vampires look just want to play as Kate Beckingsale or Twilight sparkles. You guys want to have your cake and eat it too.1 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes
That doesn't make any sense. Why are you vampire if you aren't using your vampire abilities? Seems that maybe you don't need to be one.
You're on the verge of understanding the absurdity of your initial post.
You don't think people should be able to hide their vampirism simply because they want to "have their cake and eat it, too". - a bad thing!
Now, you are saying having vampire abilities and being able to use them is "having your cake and eating it, too". - perfectly acceptable thing.
Ya wanna maybe pick a spot for the goal-post and leave it there?
I'm reasonably certain you're not following me. Understandable given the complexity of one-liner replying, though you could act like less of a patronising twit in the process.
As a vampire you have access to several passives that are enormous PvE boons, so much so that most magicka players consider them essential to maximizing play at the endgame. These boons are not available to non-vampires.
There are downsides too, as there should be. You take additional damage from fire and you're ugly. This is good. There has to be tradeoffs or even more people would become vampires.
But now you're saying you want to have all the benefits and also remove a downside? The fire damage isn't an insurmountable problem if you anticipate and don't stand in it. I know because I'm a vampire who always lives in Stage 4.
People complaining about the way vampires look just want to play as Kate Beckingsale or Twilight sparkles. You guys want to have your cake and eat it too.
Yeah, that's the misplaced sense of moral superiority, thing.
Who cares if 100% of the player base plays as vampires? The NPCs certainly don't care. They're scripted to react the same way no matter what, so they're certainly not going to react to the player's appearance.
You want people to be punished with an ugly character model because they like the skill line or want to roleplay as a vampire. You're looking for some ill-conceived sense of justice in this.
"You picked vampire as a skill line? Now, you have to look at an unattractive character model you entitled jerk! Hahaha!"
Maybe ALL the skill lines should force your character's appearance to change?
Mages guild? Fighter's guild? Werewolf? What should Zenimax do to make sure YOU can see when other players are putting points into those skill lines?
Edited by srfrogg23 on February 10, 2017 6:57PM3 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes
I don't have cake, all I have are more ways to murder people and eat them. Though, not, usually, in that order.0 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesActions should have consequences ...
Yes but only for players, and only on the vampire case and not for any other sort of illusion magic. NPCs can do whatever they want regardless, like being an Altmer with black hair.Edited by Abeille on February 10, 2017 7:27PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
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Iliaz✭✭Yes
Exactly, cause Vampires!!!111!!
It's not like werewolfs dont even have any disadvantages unless they transform, and even if they transform they become god damn OP.0 -
SirAndy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No
It's not like werewolves have NO access to any of their skills and passives unless they use an ultimate.Exactly, cause Vampires!!!111!!
It's not like werewolfs dont even have any disadvantages unless they transform, and even if they transform they become god damn OP.
That gives me an idea, make vampirism work the same way, make it so a vampire has to transform using an ultimate and can only use their skills and passives while transformed.
Problem solved, thank you very much ... 0 -
Iliaz✭✭Yes
It's not like werewolves have NO access to any of their skills and passives unless they use an ultimate.Exactly, cause Vampires!!!111!!
It's not like werewolfs dont even have any disadvantages unless they transform, and even if they transform they become god damn OP.
That gives me an idea, make vampirism work the same way, make it so a vampire has to transform using an ultimate and can only use their skills and passives while transformed.
Problem solved, thank you very much ...
You also take advantage of the passives even though you are not in werewolf form.
Take that away then, thank you very much0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭YesThere are downsides too, as there should be. You take additional damage from fire and you're ugly. This is good. There has to be tradeoffs or even more people would become vampires.
This is misguided reasoning. Yes, there should be downsides, but they should be punishing for the character, not for just the player playing the character.
Looks have absolutely no effect on game balance. Thus, they do not count as a "downside" or a "tradeoff" for the character whatsoever. The claim/demand that vampires have to be ugly is purely to spite the player. It is equal to demanding that any player playing a vampire should sit in an uncomfortable chair. Absurd.3 -
Iliaz✭✭YesThere are downsides too, as there should be. You take additional damage from fire and you're ugly. This is good. There has to be tradeoffs or even more people would become vampires.
This is misguided reasoning. Yes, there should be downsides, but they should be punishing for the character, not for just the player playing the character.
Looks have absolutely no effect on game balance. Thus, they do not count as a "downside" or a "tradeoff" for the character whatsoever. The claim/demand that vampires have to be ugly is purely to spite the player. It is equal to demanding that any player playing a vampire should sit in an uncomfortable chair. Absurd.
100% this. But i guess it's just useless to attempt to explain this to people who lack the required intelligence to understand it...0 -
FluffyReachWitch✭✭✭✭✭YesWhile I vote yes, instead of a collectable skin, I'd like to see them just put a toggle in the options near the helmet hider.1 -
Iliaz✭✭YesFluffyReachWitch wrote: »While I vote yes, instead of a collectable skin, I'd like to see them just put a toggle in the options near the helmet hider.
Yep, would be perfect0