Would you like a "normal" skin to hide vampirism?

FleetwoodSmack · February 2017

Yes

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Unless they fix the fact that tattoos and facepaint doesn't work with them; yes.

Tattoos fade because your decaying and the inked flesh is being replaced by non-inked flesh.

Actually; no. It doesn't. Tattoos fade because of fibroblasts being exchanged within the body. This doesn't happen when you're dead. They stay on as long as the tissues persist on the body. If you don't believe me, look it up.

Edit; And since we're talking about 'undead'; unless they were a shambling zombie your argument is moot. It's a bug. It needs to be fixed.

Mojmir · February 2017

No

Nope, deal with the pros and cons.

Hamfast · February 2017

Yes

KaiDynasty wrote: »

I think some players are misreading what I asked for.
I didn't ask to change the current look of vampires, I know there are people that like it, I asked if it would be ok have an option to hide it so that the ones that don't like being a mozzarella could hide it!

I did read what you asked, and a skin would be my second choice, but better then it is now...

I am on record (from about a year ago) with an idea that at stage 1 we should look like we did when we were created, 2 worse, 3 bad and stage 4 down right hideous...

My issue with the skin idea is it hides our vampirism regardless of the stage, this only affects other players because NPC's and mobs treat us all the same, vamp or not, stage 1 or stage 4, the NPC's don't care. The visible indicator of our gifts only benefits our enemies in PvP combat... as I don't pvp, the skin would just be cosmetic for me.

Abeille · February 2017

Yes

The issue I have with the "no" arguments is that they are countered by stuff that is in the game already

For that reason, it ends up sounding like "It doesn't bother me so you can't have it either". It really isn't reasonable.

Really, let's recapitulate:

"There should be downsides for being a vampire".
There already are downsides for being a vampire other than how they look. This claim makes it sound like the appearance is the only downside, which is false.

"It is not lore-friendly".
It is. Even if our blood line is not supposed to be able to hide their vampirism, which we do not know if is the case and it is actually implied in the game that we actually were supposed to blend in with mortals, illusion magic is not only a thing that exists, but it is also very common and we use it and see it being used several times in the franchise and in this game specifically.

"Vampires are supposed to look like that".
Even if we do not consider the wide variety of vampires in media and in the franchise itself, there is still illusion magic. See the previous answer. Also, like people said before, npcs do not seem to notice I am a vampire. Maybe I'm already hiding my vampirism from NPCs!

"I should be able to know if you are a vampire, for PvP purposes".
If someone wants to hide their vampirism from PvPlayers, they will use a disguise or a polymorph, or if they are anything but Argonian or Khajiit, they will just wear a closed helm. So you can already hide the fact that you are a vampire from other players. Actually there was a common scam back in the day where people would sell vampire bites without being vampires, and people fell for it because they could not see that they were not vampires due to the previously mentioned methods that hide/change the entire body of a character.

Did I miss any of them?

LiquidSchwartz · February 2017

No

No..

Jemcrystal · February 2017

No

I looked good before but I love how I look now. I don't have to worry about anyone arresting me so I am not going to hide what I am. I am an out of the closet vampire!

BEFORE : Dunmer ............................................................... AFTER : Stage4

Iliaz · February 2017

Yes

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I looked good before but I love how I look now. I don't have to worry about anyone arresting me so I am not going to hide what I am. I am an out of the closet vampire!

BEFORE : Dunmer ............................................................... AFTER : Stage4

What do you not understand about the idea of being able to hide it? That is optional, if you wanna still look like a vampire that is fine, nobody wants to take that away...

Iliaz · February 2017

Yes

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Seems kinda unfair that effectively character creation is thrown out the window when you become a vamp. Keep the skin and eye color, just give me back my tattoos

I want my character's beautiful green eyes back as well. I kinda like the pale skin....until I notice all the veins in it even at Stage 1. And I want her makeup not to be faded away to nothing.

Here's vampire Morna:

And here's Morna in her mortal guise:

I wold kill for her actual makeup and eye color with a skin somewhere in between these two extremes. And no veins!

Though I will admit that, in the right lighting, vampires can be quite lovely:

no, either all or nothing. I chose to play a dunmer for the dark skin, and i want that back, i could't give a single damn about the eyes and the veins, i just want my dark skin back.

Abeille · February 2017

Yes

Iliaz wrote: »

Jemcrystal wrote: »

I looked good before but I love how I look now. I don't have to worry about anyone arresting me so I am not going to hide what I am. I am an out of the closet vampire!

BEFORE : Dunmer ............................................................... AFTER : Stage4

What do you not understand about the idea of being able to hide it? That is optional, if you wanna still look like a vampire that is fine, nobody wants to take that away...

Which is why I am all for it.

If what was being asked was to take it away, I would be 100% against it, because I actually like the way my vampire looks and I think that being permanently on stage 4 (sometimes 3 if she accidentally feeds instead of using the Blade of Woe) fits her. Beatrice is extremely narcissistic, so I think it is interesting for someone like her to look like this:

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

No

Iliaz wrote: »

Hahahaha, unreasonable opinions are never valid, as is yours. Stop crying and grow up

There is NOTHING even remotely unreasonable about saying "if you don't like how Vampires look don't be a Vampire".

In fact it is the ONLY reasonable sentiment that has been expressed in this thread - everything else is whiny entitlement.

What would you say to a PvEer who said "I want the Shards from Cyrodiil and the Tel Var Stones from IC but I hate PvP, please can I have them without having to the PvP"?

Yeah right, we all know what you would say: Want the rewards - put up with PvP.

Well apply that same thinking to Vampirism: Want the Vamp bonuses - put up with being butt ugly.

End of...

All The Best

MornaBaine · February 2017

Yes

Iliaz wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Seems kinda unfair that effectively character creation is thrown out the window when you become a vamp. Keep the skin and eye color, just give me back my tattoos

I want my character's beautiful green eyes back as well. I kinda like the pale skin....until I notice all the veins in it even at Stage 1. And I want her makeup not to be faded away to nothing.

Here's vampire Morna:

And here's Morna in her mortal guise:

I wold kill for her actual makeup and eye color with a skin somewhere in between these two extremes. And no veins!

Though I will admit that, in the right lighting, vampires can be quite lovely:

no, either all or nothing. I chose to play a dunmer for the dark skin, and i want that back, i could't give a single damn about the eyes and the veins, i just want my dark skin back.

What part of "optional" in the OP were you not understanding? Personally, I'd like an array of vampire skins we could buy in the Store, from "Mortal Guise" which would return you to your pre-vamp appearance (which would net ZOS even MORE money from me because then I'd buy the expensive token that would allow me to completely re-do the mortal version I run of Morna, thus taking up 2 slots), the "pretty vamp" skin I've suggested which keeps the Stage 1 skin sans the veins and allows your original eyeclor and makeup and tattoos to show properly, so that Morna could look like her protrait:

to a truly horrific Skin with a visage rather like this:

and a "blood soaked" Skin rather like this:

Odds are I'd buy every one of them as long as they were Skins and not Polymorphs. And I know I'm not alone. You'd think with as much as ZOS likes money they'd step up on this.

Iliaz · February 2017

Yes

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Iliaz wrote: »

Hahahaha, unreasonable opinions are never valid, as is yours. Stop crying and grow up

There is NOTHING even remotely unreasonable about saying "if you don't like how Vampires look don't be a Vampire".

In fact it is the ONLY reasonable sentiment that has been expressed in this thread - everything else is whiny entitlement.

What would you say to a PvEer who said "I want the Shards from Cyrodiil and the Tel Var Stones from IC but I hate PvP, please can I have them without having to the PvP"?

Yeah right, we all know what you would say: Want the rewards - put up with PvP.

Well apply that same thinking to Vampirism: Want the Vamp bonuses - put up with being butt ugly.

End of...

All The Best

Gameplay and charachter skill proggression are not equal to your character creation/looks. End of story. Period.

Iliaz · February 2017

Yes

MornaBaine wrote: »

Iliaz wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Seems kinda unfair that effectively character creation is thrown out the window when you become a vamp. Keep the skin and eye color, just give me back my tattoos

I want my character's beautiful green eyes back as well. I kinda like the pale skin....until I notice all the veins in it even at Stage 1. And I want her makeup not to be faded away to nothing.

Here's vampire Morna:

And here's Morna in her mortal guise:

I wold kill for her actual makeup and eye color with a skin somewhere in between these two extremes. And no veins!

Though I will admit that, in the right lighting, vampires can be quite lovely:

no, either all or nothing. I chose to play a dunmer for the dark skin, and i want that back, i could't give a single damn about the eyes and the veins, i just want my dark skin back.

What part of "optional" in the OP were you not understanding? Personally, I'd like an array of vampire skins we could buy in the Store, from "Mortal Guise" which would return you to your pre-vamp appearance (which would net ZOS even MORE money from me because then I'd buy the expensive token that would allow me to completely re-do the mortal version I run of Morna, thus taking up 2 slots), the "pretty vamp" skin I've suggested which keeps the Stage 1 skin sans the veins and allows your original eyeclor and makeup and tattoos to show properly, so that Morna could look like her protrait:

to a truly horrific Skin with a visage rather like this:

and a "blood soaked" Skin rather like this:

Odds are I'd buy every one of them as long as they were Skins and not Polymorphs. And I know I'm not alone. You'd think with as much as ZOS likes money they'd step up on this.

What do you not understand about that I am on the same side as you?!
Your post simply came of as if you'd only want the eyes and veins to change, but the skin can stay. Since the skin is biggest problem with the vampire i did not agree with that.

idk · February 2017

No

Iliaz wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Seems kinda unfair that effectively character creation is thrown out the window when you become a vamp. Keep the skin and eye color, just give me back my tattoos

I want my character's beautiful green eyes back as well. I kinda like the pale skin....until I notice all the veins in it even at Stage 1. And I want her makeup not to be faded away to nothing.

Here's vampire Morna:

And here's Morna in her mortal guise:

I wold kill for her actual makeup and eye color with a skin somewhere in between these two extremes. And no veins!

Though I will admit that, in the right lighting, vampires can be quite lovely:

no, either all or nothing. I chose to play a dunmer for the dark skin, and i want that back, i could't give a single damn about the eyes and the veins, i just want my dark skin back.

And you can. I think v1 gives most back and curing oneself gives it all back.

Skins should not hide vampirism and Zos should change that current skins do. It is a choice to be a vampire and since vampires are always in form, unlike WW, it should be known.

People that do not want their character to look like a vampire can cure or feed. Easy as that.

BadLuckCharm · February 2017

No. What i want is for the tattoos to not be bleached.

I wouldn't mind if i could stay at V1 stage look, but the way it is does let me know how far gone my character is.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · February 2017

No

Iliaz wrote: »

Gameplay and charachter skill proggression are not equal to your character creation/looks.

Having your appearance change is an intrinsic part of being a Vampire in this game.

You made a choice, now you have to learn to live with it.

Or go get cured.

[snip]

All The Best

[Edit for baiting]

Iliaz · February 2017

Yes

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Iliaz wrote: »

Gameplay and charachter skill proggression are not equal to your character creation/looks.

Having your appearance change is an intrinsic part of being a Vampire in this game.

You made a choice, now you have to learn to live with it.

Or go get cured.

[snip]

All The Best

Stop your bull**** entitled posts, the appearance change is unreasonable. If you are fine with it then ok, get the **** outta here.
ALOT of people want a toggle to hide some aspects of the vampirism. OPTIONAL. It won't hurt you.
Now get outta here and try to troll someone else.

[Edit to match content]

MornaBaine · February 2017

Yes

Iliaz wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Iliaz wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Seems kinda unfair that effectively character creation is thrown out the window when you become a vamp. Keep the skin and eye color, just give me back my tattoos

I want my character's beautiful green eyes back as well. I kinda like the pale skin....until I notice all the veins in it even at Stage 1. And I want her makeup not to be faded away to nothing.

Here's vampire Morna:

And here's Morna in her mortal guise:

I wold kill for her actual makeup and eye color with a skin somewhere in between these two extremes. And no veins!

Though I will admit that, in the right lighting, vampires can be quite lovely:

no, either all or nothing. I chose to play a dunmer for the dark skin, and i want that back, i could't give a single damn about the eyes and the veins, i just want my dark skin back.

What part of "optional" in the OP were you not understanding? Personally, I'd like an array of vampire skins we could buy in the Store, from "Mortal Guise" which would return you to your pre-vamp appearance (which would net ZOS even MORE money from me because then I'd buy the expensive token that would allow me to completely re-do the mortal version I run of Morna, thus taking up 2 slots), the "pretty vamp" skin I've suggested which keeps the Stage 1 skin sans the veins and allows your original eyeclor and makeup and tattoos to show properly, so that Morna could look like her protrait:

to a truly horrific Skin with a visage rather like this:

and a "blood soaked" Skin rather like this:

Odds are I'd buy every one of them as long as they were Skins and not Polymorphs. And I know I'm not alone. You'd think with as much as ZOS likes money they'd step up on this.

What do you not understand about that I am on the same side as you?!
Your post simply came of as if you'd only want the eyes and veins to change, but the skin can stay. Since the skin is biggest problem with the vampire i did not agree with that.

Well then it seems as if there are misunderstandings all around. I definitely want a straight up Mortal Guise to be available. I'd just personally love it if they'd give us even more options...because they COULD... and it would make them money. Maybe they could invest some of that into making the vampire skill line interesting and worthwhile.

Sharee · February 2017

Yes

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Iliaz wrote: »

Gameplay and charachter skill proggression are not equal to your character creation/looks.

Having your appearance change is an intrinsic part of being a Vampire in this game.

No, it is not. See: Verandis Ravenwatch. His appearance is completely human when you first meet him.

Runschei · February 2017

I don't care

I don't get why so many are against changing the appearance of vampires. Being what some see as ugly is not one of the consequences. Being more vulnerable towards fire and lower health recovery are thr downsides of being vamp. Yes you can look somewhat like a mortal by staying in stage 1-2, but personally I like to always stay in stage 4 on all my vamps as that gives the best bonuses for me. Your character appearance shouldn't be one of them. I imagine most of those against this suggestion are either puppies or mortals.

Now I usually run around with either the seadrake disguise, forebear disguise or the crown dishdasha as I like the look of them. But if I do run without it the vampire skin doesn't really bother me so I'm not going to be in the way for this suggestion to become reality.

Darius771 · February 2017

I would like to see khajiits and argonians in their true werebeast form, not in a werewolf form.

Tapio75 · February 2017

Yes

It is meaningless statement that one needs to see who is vampire at PVP situations, Vampirism can easily be hidden with a helmet or with some costumes or masks.

If its that important in PVP, they could make it so, that vampires have big V hovering over them as thats the only way you REALLY gonna know beforehand, that you are going to engage a vampire

I dont believe though, that skin is a good idea at all.

All we really need, is a passive that is based on school of illusion, that hides the vampirism requiring 3 points to hide vampirism completely, perpgaps making some abilities weaker as well.

I also think, that bat swarm, should be changed to ability, sort of "Bolt escape" like in some vampire stories where vamp turns to bats and flys away. Then make the "Master vampire" or "Ancient vampire lord" or something, you know what i mean, the winged creature as ultimate, which works like werewolf transformation but empowers the abilities that normally are quite weak in my opinion.

Auros · February 2017

Yes

Looks like deceased ... quite offensive for a self-respecting Vampire ...

AnviOfVai · February 2017

No

@srfrogg23
Doesn't it bother you that the NPCs in the game completely ignore it?

I thought NPC's don't ignore you, I remember in Reapers march a Khajiit said *your face looks like curdled milk* and other Npcs say you look horrible stay away from me! so they notice that you are sick, or you don't look normal.

Auros · February 2017

Yes

Dude, showing some fine art may be cool. Currently I look like a deceased clown ....

Duiwel · February 2017

I don't mind the normal thing BUT I would like to add something I requested 2 years ago to be looked at again, the eyes!!! Please do not change the ELF eyes when they are infected with vampirism. Redguards with crimson (red) eyes look one thousand more times like a vampire than a stage 4 one does with bloodshot human eyes

Runschei · February 2017

I don't care

Tapio75 wrote: »

It is meaningless statement that one needs to see who is vampire at PVP situations, Vampirism can easily be hidden with a helmet or with some costumes or masks.

If its that important in PVP, they could make it so, that vampires have big V hovering over them as thats the only way you REALLY gonna know beforehand, that you are going to engage a vampire
I dont believe though, that skin is a good idea at all.

All we really need, is a passive that is based on school of illusion, that hides the vampirism requiring 3 points to hide vampirism completely, perpgaps making some abilities weaker as well.

I also think, that bat swarm, should be changed to ability, sort of "Bolt escape" like in some vampire stories where vamp turns to bats and flys away. Then make the "Master vampire" or "Ancient vampire lord" or something, you know what i mean, the winged creature as ultimate, which works like werewolf transformation but empowers the abilities that normally are quite weak in my opinion.

Like the swarm of bats in Skyrim? That would be epic. I guess that would replace the invisibility morph then?

Also, any bufftracker addon will show if any player is a vampire or a werewolf. Even if the player is wearing a disguise of some sort.

Tapio75 · February 2017

Yes

Runschei wrote: »

Tapio75 wrote: »

It is meaningless statement that one needs to see who is vampire at PVP situations, Vampirism can easily be hidden with a helmet or with some costumes or masks.

If its that important in PVP, they could make it so, that vampires have big V hovering over them as thats the only way you REALLY gonna know beforehand, that you are going to engage a vampire
I dont believe though, that skin is a good idea at all.

All we really need, is a passive that is based on school of illusion, that hides the vampirism requiring 3 points to hide vampirism completely, perpgaps making some abilities weaker as well.

I also think, that bat swarm, should be changed to ability, sort of "Bolt escape" like in some vampire stories where vamp turns to bats and flys away. Then make the "Master vampire" or "Ancient vampire lord" or something, you know what i mean, the winged creature as ultimate, which works like werewolf transformation but empowers the abilities that normally are quite weak in my opinion.

Like the swarm of bats in Skyrim? That would be epic. I guess that would replace the invisibility morph then?

Also, any bufftracker addon will show if any player is a vampire or a werewolf. Even if the player is wearing a disguise of some sort.

Yeah, something in that way, not sre of its morphs though but the invisibility has aölways felt more logical as part of mistform so it should be in one of its morph.. Swarm of bats IS quite visible after all.. Or at least very noisy

The Master vampire ultimate is also from Dawnguard addon, that winged form as ultimate with soe morphs would be awesome.

Other morph on that ultimate could involve levitation, granting immunity to snares during the time its on.

Pixel_Zealot · February 2017

No

Honestly I don't want a normal skin to hide my vampirism.

I want them to make it look like vampirism, not like a badly-rendered, decomposing Jane Doe.

Abeille · February 2017

Yes

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

@srfrogg23
Doesn't it bother you that the NPCs in the game completely ignore it?

I thought NPC's don't ignore you, I remember in Reapers march a Khajiit said *your face looks like curdled milk* and other Npcs say you look horrible stay away from me! so they notice that you are sick, or you don't look normal.

They can say that regardless of if your character is a vampire or not. The "you look horrible" one I never heard, not on my vampire, not on any other character I have. The curdled milk one is actually "Your face looks like it could curdle milk", meaning "you are pretty ugly" not "you are pale as death".

There is one - one! - character in the game that notices, that being the vampire hunter you can meet near Anvil. But the first time you meet him, in Greenshade, he doesn't say anything either.

Not even Verandis notices. He still says "this drop of my blood won't make you a vampire, don't worry" even if you already are one, too.