Master Crafting Writ Drop Rate

Woolenthreads

I think I'm earning 1MW a day from 4 CP Characters. I'm not even certain that just the crafting achievements apply (Housing might use Fishing Achievements and so might the MW's)

helediron

Master writ droprate stats:
TL;DR: Crafting completionists (9 traits, all motifs, all crafting achievements, all recipes) have estimated master writ drop rate chance about 20%..25%. The actual value can still be few percentage points higher or lower because of small sample and RNG. Any crafter who is not a completionist have lower drop rate. If you don't have at least six traits on everything, no cheap motifs learned and not cared about crafting achievements, don't bother with master writs.

The numbers:
Calculated over all crafters with varying skills from 1440 normal writs. Crafters are ranging from four traits with lacking achievements to a crafting completionist.

VOU: Amount of vouchers.
AMT: Amount of master writs dropped.
V%: Percentage of vouchers from total amount of vouchers.
A%: Percentage of master writs from total.
Alc, Enc, Prv, BS, Clo and WW are the six professions.

To read the table, e.g. alchemy numbers explained:
- Alchemy dropped 39 master writs, which is 16.3% drop rate from total of 240 normal alchemy writs.
- 39 alchemy master writs is 25.2% share from total of 155 dropped master writs.
- Alchemy master writs gave 120 vouchers, which is 6.8% from total of 1766 vouchers.

Some other observations to pick up:
- The sample is still too small. Numbers jump +-5% between crafters at same level. There is e.g. a medium crafter at same drop rate as best crafter.
- Best crafter has 18% drop rate (consumables 13%, gear 23%). It has everything excluding three homestead new crafting achievements.
- Medium crafters have 13% drop rate (consumables 15%, gear 11%). These have typically 8 traits, all cheap purple motifs and achievements done as far as possible.
- Weak crafters have 8% drop rate (consumables 10%, gear 6%). These have on average 6 traits, old purple motifs and learned alchemy and enchant except kuta/hakeijo.
- Alchemy and enchanting is maximized so easily that effectively everyone can have max chances to get master writs. Provision is broken and drops are very rare - even for those who know every recipe.

EDIT: It looks like last minor patch fixed provisioning. I am seeing provisioning master writs dropping significantly more often after 20th February.

STEVIL

helediron wrote: »

Master writ droprate stats:
TL;DR: Crafting completionists (9 traits, all motifs, all crafting achievements, all recipes) have estimated master writ drop rate chance about 20%..25%. The actual value can still be few percentage points higher or lower because of small sample and RNG. Any crafter who is not a completionist have lower drop rate. If you don't have at least six traits on everything, no cheap motifs learned and not cared about crafting achievements, don't bother with master writs.

The numbers:
Calculated over all crafters with varying skills from 1440 normal writs. Crafters are ranging from four traits with lacking achievements to a crafting completionist.

VOU: Amount of vouchers.
AMT: Amount of master writs dropped.
V%: Percentage of vouchers from total amount of vouchers.
A%: Percentage of master writs from total.
Alc, Enc, Prv, BS, Clo and WW are the six professions.

To read the table, e.g. alchemy numbers explained:
- Alchemy dropped 39 master writs, which is 16.3% drop rate from total of 240 normal alchemy writs.
- 39 alchemy master writs is 25.2% share from total of 155 dropped master writs.
- Alchemy master writs gave 120 vouchers, which is 6.8% from total of 1766 vouchers.

Some other observations to pick up:
- The sample is still too small. Numbers jump +-5% between crafters at same level. There is e.g. a medium crafter at same drop rate as best crafter.
- Best crafter has 18% drop rate (consumables 13%, gear 23%). It has everything excluding three homestead new crafting achievements.
- Medium crafters have 13% drop rate (consumables 15%, gear 11%). These have typically 8 traits, all cheap purple motifs and achievements done as far as possible.
- Weak crafters have 8% drop rate (consumables 10%, gear 6%). These have on average 6 traits, old purple motifs and learned alchemy and enchant except kuta/hakeijo.
- Alchemy and enchanting is maximized so easily that effectively everyone can have max chances to get master writs. Provision is broken and drops are very rare - even for those who know every recipe.

EDIT: It looks like last minor patch fixed provisioning. I am seeing provisioning master writs dropping significantly more often after 20th February.

So - basically a bunch of chars doing alch and prov and ench will tend to generate a "steady" flow of low value writs making for rather few if any "no writ days"
And
a bunch of low to med to high level equip crafters will generate bigger (sometimes much) voucher days on occasion but unless you have lots of the high and medium they will be inconsistent.

combined together you wind up with a lots of say 5-10 voucher days and the occasional big money voucher days like 80-150 to move to your goals.

that seems to match my own results.

RABIDxWOLVERINE

davey1107 wrote: »

Gamers...a new element to the game is added, and within two days they're whining that they haven't been handed every bonus, buff and item on a silver platter.

Summed up quite nicely... The patch dropped Tuesday and the only thing I got to complain about is... I was working on my bathroom at home Tuesday and I had to work late yesterday so I have yet to get to check out homestead or open all my writ rewards to see if I get any master writs.

Is it true, at least on Xbox, that the writs are selling for 6k per voucher received? If that's the case I see myself selling master writs for the next couple weeks. I figure I got another 2-3 years to fill out the house that I will buy if I ever get to play again lol!

helediron

STEVIL wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Master writ droprate stats:
TL;DR: Crafting completionists (9 traits, all motifs, all crafting achievements, all recipes) have estimated master writ drop rate chance about 20%..25%. The actual value can still be few percentage points higher or lower because of small sample and RNG. Any crafter who is not a completionist have lower drop rate. If you don't have at least six traits on everything, no cheap motifs learned and not cared about crafting achievements, don't bother with master writs.

The numbers:
Calculated over all crafters with varying skills from 1440 normal writs. Crafters are ranging from four traits with lacking achievements to a crafting completionist.

VOU: Amount of vouchers.
AMT: Amount of master writs dropped.
V%: Percentage of vouchers from total amount of vouchers.
A%: Percentage of master writs from total.
Alc, Enc, Prv, BS, Clo and WW are the six professions.

To read the table, e.g. alchemy numbers explained:
- Alchemy dropped 39 master writs, which is 16.3% drop rate from total of 240 normal alchemy writs.
- 39 alchemy master writs is 25.2% share from total of 155 dropped master writs.
- Alchemy master writs gave 120 vouchers, which is 6.8% from total of 1766 vouchers.

Some other observations to pick up:
- The sample is still too small. Numbers jump +-5% between crafters at same level. There is e.g. a medium crafter at same drop rate as best crafter.
- Best crafter has 18% drop rate (consumables 13%, gear 23%). It has everything excluding three homestead new crafting achievements.
- Medium crafters have 13% drop rate (consumables 15%, gear 11%). These have typically 8 traits, all cheap purple motifs and achievements done as far as possible.
- Weak crafters have 8% drop rate (consumables 10%, gear 6%). These have on average 6 traits, old purple motifs and learned alchemy and enchant except kuta/hakeijo.
- Alchemy and enchanting is maximized so easily that effectively everyone can have max chances to get master writs. Provision is broken and drops are very rare - even for those who know every recipe.

EDIT: It looks like last minor patch fixed provisioning. I am seeing provisioning master writs dropping significantly more often after 20th February.

So - basically a bunch of chars doing alch and prov and ench will tend to generate a "steady" flow of low value writs making for rather few if any "no writ days"
And
a bunch of low to med to high level equip crafters will generate bigger (sometimes much) voucher days on occasion but unless you have lots of the high and medium they will be inconsistent.

combined together you wind up with a lots of say 5-10 voucher days and the occasional big money voucher days like 80-150 to move to your goals.

that seems to match my own results.

Basically yes. I checked the difference of vouchers between consume and gear writs.
- Better crafters got 13% of vouchers from consumable writs and 87% from gear.
- The weak crafters got 33% of vouchers from consumable writs and 67% from gear.
The big writs seem to drop randomly. To get them the crafter needs a good drop rate.

I can think of three strategies to prepare for master writs:
- For already good crafters push them as much to maximum as possible and do gear writs. There won't be many master writs to do. The big writs bring in majority of vouchers anyway. The higher amount of vouchers isn't freely available though. Gear writs take much more time and resources and making of high level crafter is expensive and takes a very long time.
- For non-crafters learn alchemy and provision for all characters in account because they have useful passives for fighting. Do all alchemy and enchanting achievements and do corresponding writs with constant trickle of vouchers.
- Third option is of course to do both.

Unless a crafter has already purcahed most of recipes, I don't consider current provisioning master writs much worth the effort. Getting all purple/golden recipes is very, very expensive or time consuming and rewards are small. After latest patch the number of provisioning writs have increased but they have dropped to weak crafters. It is too early to say how they changed, or was it just a RNG fluke.

Spacemonkey

I thought I was okay, got a writ for 22 vouchers on my third day (doing only WW BS and Clothing);

I have in average 7-8 traits on everything , have one 9 trait in BS with 4 more (trait #9) being researched
Have all pre DLC motifs (except imperial) + soulshriven and hollowjack. Andhalf a dozen with 5-10 chapters learned

I didnt actually look at crafting acheivments but I must be somewhere along the third


So far that first master writ is the only I got , must have done 20-25 writs so far. Not much but I have a single character, the very definition of casual :P

lientier

Just from my own RNG-biased experience. also on a medium-hight crafter alchemy writs and enchanting writs drop more frequently.
Of the 14 writs I go (myself)t, there were two clothing, 1 blacksmith, one provisioning and the rest alchemy and enchanting.

rentalman UK

Re Master writs

Got 6 so far which I was able to do 3 1 was provising and I do not now how but I did not have the purple recepie. So I thought I would go locate from a guild trader bad bad mistake as I am not sure if anyone else's has noticed when requesting recipe in guild trader search it says none. But if you browse all items like 15000 u might see loads but not the one you want as that trader has none. That took 2 hours for search
Then to make things better I got a blacksmith one that I have to make a legendry sword after lame that will take 8 Temps and u now what I got 2 vouchers no Temps no materials. So I ask are they really worth it. I think that you should at least get legendry mats back as tgey are hard to farm and expensive to buy.

Also u need 25 vouchers before u can get anything decent but you can farm cradle ruins and get the motifs that is a far quicker way


Any thoughts

Any thoughts

Nestor

I have done enough Writs to come to the conclusion that doing writs for Master Writs is an exercise in frustration. I have one master crafter, 9/9 in everything, and knows most of the motifs. On several days of doing 6 Crafting Writs a day, I have pulled a total of 3 Master Writs, one for Enchanting, one Alchemy and one for some Armor. The Enchanting and Alchemy Writs gave a whole two Vouchers, I have not even done the enchanting one. The Armor one would have given me 5 but I would have had to go to the Imperial City to make the piece. Not going there for 500 Telvar's, much less 5 Vouchers.

I may never get the Ebony Motif or a Training Dummy, but I still use the original motifs for the most part, and I have a pretty good idea of what my DPS is under real battle conditions. Something the Dummy will not tell me.

settinrecords

Why even say its trait/motif based? Thats jus bs. Ive done 51 writs n not received a damn thing. My friend who doesnt have all the traits and would be lucky to have half my motifs has gotten 2 out of 12. Like most things in this game its based fundamentally on lame rng. Not how much time uve put into ur craft.

Targe

Zoner wrote: »

I receive about 4 master writs per day, but most of them are worth about 6 vouchers. It's also worth mentioning that the only reasons that I get that many are that I do all available writs on 9 characters every day. All of them are maxed in all crafts, have at least 4 traits and all basic motifs plus mercenary and hollowjack. Of all of those characters I only get writs on maybe two.

The only one I reliably get writs on every day is my main, who is a 9 trait crafter with all of the pre-homestead motifs.

The best way to try to increase your yield is to level alts, research traits on them, buy some cheap motifs and do as many writs as you can.

Based off what you said here. You are having about a 7.4% drop rate among your characters. Which seems to be about what I'm getting.

Knights12

I'm not getting anywhere near that rate. I haven't had a writ drop in over a week now. Very frustrated!

Taleof2Cities

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

Most of my 10 mules knew all rune translations except CP150, Kuta, and Hajeko. So the 3% chance compared to my main crafter's 12% seems like a large bump for just completing the last few translations. I've had all my mules learn all alchemy/enchanting traits/translations a few days ago so we'll see how it improves the odds in a week or too.

I did a few sewer runs right after the patch ... for the sole purpose of buying Hakeijo and getting the achievement cleared. The result on my characters' master enchanting writ drops was noticeable here as well.

STEVIL

It is very exponential. Low achievements slam you squared.

I think it seems to me that the consumable have a lot of their achievements locked down just by leveling. You lesrn the stones and reagents during even the speedy levels. This contrasts to ewuip where leveling leaves a lot of acheives still to get done.

And the other crsfting general achieves factor in as well so the "lvl 50 all 9s mant motifs" is smaller piece of the puzzle.

Thats why i see more consumables drop but for low vouchers -the general multiplier is solid but alchy is 80% achieved but smith not so much.

lientier

that sounds plausible

Spacemonkey

So i checked achievements; I've got in average around 50% because ZOS sneakily doubled the crafting achievement with furnishing related stuff (had 100% before).

Average 7-8 traits, all Base motifs + 2 , + bunch of random chapters.
Fully leveled in crafting (I have no skill points in resource finder passive, I always found it useless, missing one point in woodworking research)

So I did (i think) 24 writs total, and doing this morning's 3 writs I got TWO; One 7v Epic writ for blacksmithing, One 41v Legendary orc style woodworking. This brings my total to 3 writs. So it does kinda match the averages found in this here thread so far. Id be at 11%+ right now (but I just got 2 so that rate will lower down again); I'd say I'm realistically around the 7-8% mark.

Karius_Imalthar

I haven't received a master crafting writ in like a week and I do all 6 every day. At the rate i've been getting these it's going to take like 6 months to afford anything worthwhile from the merchant.

Spacemonkey

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I haven't received a master crafting writ in like a week and I do all 6 every day. At the rate I've been getting these it's going to take like 6 months to afford anything worthwhile from the merchant.

I think unless you are a super master crafter with like 10 alts maxed, its best to be taken as the icing on the sundae; I don't make a lot of cash so I'm personally happy doing the daily writs just for the 2k gold it gives me >_<

Sordidfairytale

Master crafter 9 traits on all items. All motifs fully learned except Draugr, Yokeda, RaGada, Ebony, Silken Ring, and Mazzatun. 0 Writs since patch.

9 Master crafters with average 6 traits on all items. Mercenary motif learned on all, variety of other "rare" racial motifs learned. 0 writs since patch.

10 Master Alchemists, all traits on all reagents unlocked. 2 writs since patch

1 Master Enchanter, all stones learned. 1 writ since patch

1 Master Provisioner, all but 8 recipes. 0 Writs since patch.

firewatch

IMHO the problem with the RNG system is not that it takes a lot of effort to get what you want. The problem with RNG is that it is arbitrary and unfair. Some lucky individuals received massive rewards with very little effort, while others grind their hearts out ad nauseam and never receive what they are looking for. For example, I have done over 120 crafting writs and my main has almost all of the crafting achievements completed other than some of the new motifs. I have not received a single armor master writ. I have received 4 enchanting and alchemy master writs for a grand total of 14 vouchers. My friend, who I play with often, has done less than half as many writs and has completed a mere fraction of the achievements. But, he has received a 45 voucher and a 90 voucher master crafting writ. He was not even capable of completing either of the writs. I did the first one for him. The rest of my ESO friends, who have all put in more time than him, have received next to nothing. I find that very aggravating and frustrating. It makes me want to quit, not keep grinding the same content over and over and over...

Woolenthreads

All of my CP characters are "medium" crafters and I have gotten 47 MW's so far. I don't know if that makes me lucky or not. My worst crafter has gotten as many writs as my second best crafter both of which have 45% more than my best crafter. My second worst crafter has gotten a third as many as the worst crafter. Despite RNG I still suspect that there is somethings wrong with their formula, I even have a suspicion that the problem is with a single motif that anyone can get but many do not, but it's just a suspicion and there's a good chance that RNG might still be at fault.

disintegr8

Have reached 10 MWs now doing all max level writs on 6* characters for 4 days, so 143 writs (*only 5 writs on one the first day) for 10 MW's. Not unhappy with the drop rate but disillusioned with the return. I can't do two of the writs as I don't know the motifs and the highest return is seven vouchers.

The only smithing writ was for a DLC set, one clothing writ required the imperial motif and another used an alliance motif. Fortunately I was able to do these but there would be a lot of players out there who might have only been complete 5 of the 10 MW's I have received, which would put a lot of people off.

So 8 completed writs for about 40 vouchers is not a great return considering all of the gear has had to be purple and the enchantment writs have all used kutas. I certainly would not be spending gold to get the motifs for those MWs I cannot do, the return is not worth the expense.

ninti

I have a main crafter with all (pre-homestead) motifs known, all traits, and most achievements.
I have 4 alts doing all writs, but with almost no motifs, 5-7 traits, and few achievements.
I have 3 alts that only do alchemy/enchanting/provisioning writs.

I have only been keeping records for 14 days, but I have not seen anything to make me think that my main is any better than my 4 alts. Of the 24 Cloth/BS/WW MW I have received, 6 have been on my main, and 18 have been on my 4 alts.

STEVIL

At now 31 tier 10 writs a day, hit my first ever day of no master writ drops. So i bought one.

InvitationNotFound

Woolenthreads wrote: »

While I was researching the MW's on PTS a month ago I noticed that my Template Character got MW's at a drop rate of 1 in 3 but my four "normal" crafters got them at a rate of 1 in 10.

The other thing I noticed was that of those four crafters, the one with the least complete motif set (9) got the most MW's (5) and the one with the most complete motif set (14 complete) got the least (1). This got me curious and I intended to continue testing it but then they swapped out from US to EU and I couldn't determine whether it was RNG or not.

That specific trend has continued on the Live Servers. I thinkit might be a programming error. Actually I'll check the other threads and then post if no-one else has mentioned it.

I actually think there is a programing mistake somewhere. My guess would be that they reintroduced it with the first patch after homestead release. I wrote a comment about it here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3838021/#Comment_3838021

STEVIL wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

I'm not saying you have to have everything reaearched, but the chance of getting one is related to your knowledge. It's likely not a chance that scales up to 100%. Probably more like a 30% if you had all motifs and traits research, and go from there to maybe 1% or 5% for next to no knowledge. ZOS hasn't given any kind of drop rate numbers, but given how much the writs are trading for, even among master crafter, the chance is good that the top drop rate is still not better than 50%.

I have done all 6 writs each day (4) on my main toon that has basically everything researched but not a ton of motifs. I got one basic clothier writ for 6 vouchers on day 1 and one woodworking writ for about 60 vouchers to make a Nirnhoned staff on day 3.

ZoS confirmed that for motifs knowing all but one piece is worth nothing. its only fully mastered motifs.

Could you please provide a source (link / quote)? Thanks.


Furthermore, if anyone is interested, my mw stats can be found here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/324880/master-writs-statistics
Sample size ~1k, split over 9 characters.

aldriq

I think for now we just have to accept the tombola nature of the system, and take any MW as a bonus prize. For 2 weeks and half I only got the occasional 2-voucher alchemy or enchanting MWs, and a single 5-voucher woodworking one (which I couldn't craft, so I sold) then this last Thursday I got a 78-voucher blacksmithing MW I could actually craft

STEVIL

aldriq wrote: »

I think for now we just have to accept the tombola nature of the system, and take any MW as a bonus prize. For 2 weeks and half I only got the occasional 2-voucher alchemy or enchanting MWs, and a single 5-voucher woodworking one (which I couldn't craft, so I sold) then this last Thursday I got a 78-voucher blacksmithing MW I could actually craft

RE the bold - yeah that should be easy since they did not increase the cost to do tier-10 writs at all. it is just that now they might drop a master writ where they did not used to before.

STEVIL

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Woolenthreads wrote: »

While I was researching the MW's on PTS a month ago I noticed that my Template Character got MW's at a drop rate of 1 in 3 but my four "normal" crafters got them at a rate of 1 in 10.

The other thing I noticed was that of those four crafters, the one with the least complete motif set (9) got the most MW's (5) and the one with the most complete motif set (14 complete) got the least (1). This got me curious and I intended to continue testing it but then they swapped out from US to EU and I couldn't determine whether it was RNG or not.

That specific trend has continued on the Live Servers. I thinkit might be a programming error. Actually I'll check the other threads and then post if no-one else has mentioned it.

I actually think there is a programing mistake somewhere. My guess would be that they reintroduced it with the first patch after homestead release. I wrote a comment about it here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3838021/#Comment_3838021

STEVIL wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

I'm not saying you have to have everything reaearched, but the chance of getting one is related to your knowledge. It's likely not a chance that scales up to 100%. Probably more like a 30% if you had all motifs and traits research, and go from there to maybe 1% or 5% for next to no knowledge. ZOS hasn't given any kind of drop rate numbers, but given how much the writs are trading for, even among master crafter, the chance is good that the top drop rate is still not better than 50%.

I have done all 6 writs each day (4) on my main toon that has basically everything researched but not a ton of motifs. I got one basic clothier writ for 6 vouchers on day 1 and one woodworking writ for about 60 vouchers to make a Nirnhoned staff on day 3.

ZoS confirmed that for motifs knowing all but one piece is worth nothing. its only fully mastered motifs.

Could you please provide a source (link / quote)? Thanks.


Furthermore, if anyone is interested, my mw stats can be found here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/324880/master-writs-statistics
Sample size ~1k, split over 9 characters.

i could provide link but am not going to spend the time to search it up for you.

if you need to know the who/when/where, by all means search away. i suggest dev tracker focusing on Gina comments cuz thats 90% of what i paid attention to. Honestly they made so many comments in so many places its a bear to search it out IMO.

But you can also see for yourself without search that in the achievements section you only get style points if you know everything of a motif - 13 out of 14 is zip. So, since they mention crafting related achievements a lot - that is one factor that plays "all or nothing" on a given motif scoring.

ninti

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

Could you please provide a source (link / quote)? Thanks..

Since the original poster was less than helpful: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/322313/official-discussion-thread-for-homestead-guide-master-writs/p2

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Only Purple- and Gold-quality provisioning recipes and completed Motifs increase your chances of getting a Master Writ. Individual Motif Chapters do not increase your chances. Achievements are factored into Master Writ chances by way of learning associated Alchemy reagent traits and Enchantment glyph translations.

Note also the implication that achievements are NOT directly a factor.

disintegr8

Got 5 MW's yesterday, so drop rate is not an issue for me, but still not happy with reward for effort. I have jumped from 47 vouchers to 111 in the space of two days but primarily because I got one for 39 vouchers (on PS4 - so only 9 days worth).

My first ever provisioning writ (yesterday) required 8 Psijic Amrosia potions for 10 vouchers - pretty poor return for using 2 perfect roe. Another was an Armour Master weapon in Daggerfall Alliance style for about 6 vouchers, fortunately I know the style but you still have to travel to IC - if you have the DLC!

I put another one on the market because it required Yokudan style and was still for only 7 vouchers. In all I have had about 21 MW's, sold 3 because of the motif, 2 have required alliance motifs, 1 was imperial, 2 needed kutas, 3 have required DLC crafting stations and now I have used 2 perfect roe. Haven't had to make a call on doing a legendary WW, BS or clothing writ yet.

I guess this is all to drive people to the crown store for motifs and DLC's but I can imagine there would be a lot of newer players out there getting frustrated with the fact that when they do get a MW, they cannot complete it.