Master Crafting Writ Drop Rate

firewatch · February 2017

I have done 32 writs and have not received a single master crafting writ. Are the drop rates really that low, or am I doing something wrong. So far, the homestead update is definitely more frustrating than fun. Welcome to Elder Grind Online.

dpencil · February 2017

Do you have all traits researched, all craft skill lines maxed, and many style motifs learned? If not, that's your reason.

firewatch · February 2017

Maxed out with 9 traits and a lot of motifs but not all. Are saying they won't drop if you don't have Nirn researched on all items?

Muramasa89 · February 2017

I have received 2 master writs, I have only researched perhaps 4 or so nirnhoned items, so no to the above.

firewatch · February 2017

how many writs have you done to get those 2?

OldManJim · February 2017

I've probably done 60 writs across 8 toons, giving my a whopping 3 master writs. And 2 of them were enchanting.

dpencil · February 2017

I'm not saying you have to have everything reaearched, but the chance of getting one is related to your knowledge. It's likely not a chance that scales up to 100%. Probably more like a 30% if you had all motifs and traits research, and go from there to maybe 1% or 5% for next to no knowledge. ZOS hasn't given any kind of drop rate numbers, but given how much the writs are trading for, even among master crafter, the chance is good that the top drop rate is still not better than 50%.

I have done all 6 writs each day (4) on my main toon that has basically everything researched but not a ton of motifs. I got one basic clothier writ for 6 vouchers on day 1 and one woodworking writ for about 60 vouchers to make a Nirnhoned staff on day 3.

Muramasa89 · February 2017

firewatch wrote: »

how many writs have you done to get those 2?

At most 18. I appear to have been very lucky, reading through the forums.

Zoner · February 2017

I receive about 4 master writs per day, but most of them are worth about 6 vouchers. It's also worth mentioning that the only reasons that I get that many are that I do all available writs on 9 characters every day. All of them are maxed in all crafts, have at least 4 traits and all basic motifs plus mercenary and hollowjack. Of all of those characters I only get writs on maybe two.

The only one I reliably get writs on every day is my main, who is a 9 trait crafter with all of the pre-homestead motifs.

The best way to try to increase your yield is to level alts, research traits on them, buy some cheap motifs and do as many writs as you can.

Woolenthreads · February 2017

While I was researching the MW's on PTS a month ago I noticed that my Template Character got MW's at a drop rate of 1 in 3 but my four "normal" crafters got them at a rate of 1 in 10.

The other thing I noticed was that of those four crafters, the one with the least complete motif set (9) got the most MW's (5) and the one with the most complete motif set (14 complete) got the least (1). This got me curious and I intended to continue testing it but then they swapped out from US to EU and I couldn't determine whether it was RNG or not.

That specific trend has continued on the Live Servers. I thinkit might be a programming error. Actually I'll check the other threads and then post if no-one else has mentioned it.

Scubbs · February 2017

I've received my third master writ today doing all 6 each day from patch.
I have all skills maxed, all traits researched and most motifs before patch learnt.
My writ voucher total will be around 25 from completing the 3 master writs but they have been easy master writs. Only a legendary enchanter writ is the most valuable one Ive received. One was make 20 poisons the other was some epic armor Tavas Favor.

CombatPrayer · February 2017

I have been logging on to do these. I have gotten 1 weapon epic and 1 armor epic. Mostly gotten poison ones and 2 enchants, 1 food. All very low writ vouch amounts. Highest was 7 I think. My research is fairly high. 8 and 9 on light all but one nirn piece done. 9 on all heavy armors and 7 on weapons. All done on wood. Minus the new motifs that just dropped with this update (which should not be included it the calculations) I had most of the motifs fully done. Only about three more than 3/4 done and 2 or 3 had only a few pieces (I think ancient orc and malcath maybe?) but either full or nearly full on all of them barring the update. Granted 2 weapon/armor writs isn't bad for a week of grinding but given the amount of vouchers and how many things there are worth having this is looking like a year long nightmare of daily grinding just to get the main things I want.

I've been doing six writs a day on six toons.

The_Myconid · February 2017

I have been saving up completed packs and will be opening them up after the ps4 update. One fully complete main crafter has everything trait-wise, and a ton of motifs followed by a second crafter with some motifs and no traits. Will be opebing about 100+, started saving last week, will update with numbers

firewatch · February 2017

I've done 70 writs on maxed out crafters and only received 1 master writ for 5 vouchers. SMH...

Br0m · February 2017

Woolenthreads wrote: »

While I was researching the MW's on PTS a month ago I noticed that my Template Character got MW's at a drop rate of 1 in 3 but my four "normal" crafters got them at a rate of 1 in 10.

The other thing I noticed was that of those four crafters, the one with the least complete motif set (9) got the most MW's (5) and the one with the most complete motif set (14 complete) got the least (1). This got me curious and I intended to continue testing it but then they swapped out from US to EU and I couldn't determine whether it was RNG or not.

That specific trend has continued on the Live Servers. I thinkit might be a programming error. Actually I'll check the other threads and then post if no-one else has mentioned it.

Same issue here. I have one MC with all motif, all traits all crafting achivs. So far i got 2 MW. Now its a 6 days steak w/o any MW on him.
Second crafter: spent ~5mil - got all motifs for him..and missing only a few 9 traits in CW and BS, all traits in WW and missing 1 crafting achiv for 10k resources gathering. Got 2 MW on him and its 5 days steak w/o any MW so far.

2 alts with 100 skill points in crafing, 1 with some traits another w/o any traits researched and basic motifs knowledge (events, deadra, primal and etc and a few cheap pages from assassins and dwemer) got from 2 to 4 MW so far on each of them

gonna test the theory [more you know- less you gain] with 4 powerleved alts with 70-100 skillpoints and maxed crafting and w/o any traits researched

So far it seems like: less knowledge - better chances in MW lottery /faceplam

goldenarcher1 · February 2017

Got 2 master writs yesterday,1 alchemy and 1 blacksmithing.

The alchemy writ was a pretty easy make poison IX formula with a 2 voucher reward.

The blacksmithing writ is for a Whitestrakes retribution Epic Greatsword in Pact style with the training trait.Just so happens that the training trait for greatswords is one of the very few not researched yet on my character,so going to take about 20-30 days to complete the writ.

Woolenthreads · February 2017

sulfur.sieraseb17_ESO2 wrote: »

Woolenthreads wrote: »

While I was researching the MW's on PTS a month ago I noticed that my Template Character got MW's at a drop rate of 1 in 3 but my four "normal" crafters got them at a rate of 1 in 10.

The other thing I noticed was that of those four crafters, the one with the least complete motif set (9) got the most MW's (5) and the one with the most complete motif set (14 complete) got the least (1). This got me curious and I intended to continue testing it but then they swapped out from US to EU and I couldn't determine whether it was RNG or not.

That specific trend has continued on the Live Servers. I thinkit might be a programming error. Actually I'll check the other threads and then post if no-one else has mentioned it.

Same issue here. I have one MC with all motif, all traits all crafting achivs. So far i got 2 MW. Now its a 6 days steak w/o any MW on him.
Second crafter: spent ~5mil - got all motifs for him..and missing only a few 9 traits in CW and BS, all traits in WW and missing 1 crafting achiv for 10k resources gathering. Got 2 MW on him and its 5 days steak w/o any MW so far.

2 alts with 100 skill points in crafing, 1 with some traits another w/o any traits researched and basic motifs knowledge (events, deadra, primal and etc and a few cheap pages from assassins and dwemer) got from 2 to 4 MW so far on each of them

gonna test the theory [more you know- less you gain] with 4 powerleved alts with 70-100 skillpoints and maxed crafting and w/o any traits researched

So far it seems like: less knowledge - better chances in MW lottery /faceplam

It might be RNG and motifs aren't the full story. I looked at the crafting achievements, there was only one that was easy to complete that wouldn't neccesarily be done while levelling up. The rest were harvesting and refining achievements all of which can take time or money.

JimBobMcKrakken · February 2017

One crafter with 8-9 traits, 2/3 of blue recipes, about 1/3 of styles. Doing daily crafting writs I have gotten six master writs. I could not do three of them due to a missing recipe and two missing styles (Trinimac and ancient Orc).

Jaeysa · February 2017

All traits researched, all motifs except silken/ebony known. I do all the writs daily and have gotten something like 10 or 12 writs on that character.

STEVIL · February 2017

dpencil wrote: »

I'm not saying you have to have everything reaearched, but the chance of getting one is related to your knowledge. It's likely not a chance that scales up to 100%. Probably more like a 30% if you had all motifs and traits research, and go from there to maybe 1% or 5% for next to no knowledge. ZOS hasn't given any kind of drop rate numbers, but given how much the writs are trading for, even among master crafter, the chance is good that the top drop rate is still not better than 50%.

I have done all 6 writs each day (4) on my main toon that has basically everything researched but not a ton of motifs. I got one basic clothier writ for 6 vouchers on day 1 and one woodworking writ for about 60 vouchers to make a Nirnhoned staff on day 3.

ZoS confirmed that for motifs knowing all but one piece is worth nothing. its only fully mastered motifs.

i would not be surprised to see this play out very similarly with trait research - how many are 9s with 8 or less meaning didly or at least a lot less.

based on what i have seen achievements plays a very significant role. the chars i made effort at getting some of the top achievements they were close to done as homestead approached - see more master writs. truly legendary and 10k grandmaster harvester were twoi recall specifically, so was potency master which required making a hajeiko glypf.

My top dog master of all mostly achieved etc original main runs 6 of my 35 dailies. That character has gotten about 40% of the masters i have had drop.

My most common haul per day is around 10 vouchers earned. It has been as low as 2 and as high as 150ish. i have a 75 i am waiting for the next patch to fix - cuz i tried to guild store sell it and it went deadly strike on me. Since then i got the motif needed so...

The flow from my viewpoint is a whole lot of middling days with the maybe 10 vouchers and the occasion jackpot day with tons more.

i will be adding four more dailies by maybe next week, end of feb for certain. but i expect them to pay off masters only occasionally and really just bring down the odds of the "next to nothing days."

f047ys3v3n · February 2017

The drop rate appears to scale at least as high as 50%. What you need to know is that this is not liner, it is multiplicative. It actually does greatly reward players with full completion on crafting related achieves and may reward general achievement points. We are not sure on this. Look at your bars in this area. The formula appears to be Decimal crafting X decimal crafting area X (either total achieve points decimal or max drop rate decimal).

So your "I've done a lot" might be .5 X.5 X.5=12.5% whereas actually doing a lot would be .9X.9X(either .5 or .9) for 40% to 73%. You actually have to do a lot to get a good drop rate but that rate can get quite good. I am at about somewhere around 25%.

Specifically on the Nirn question. Actually, researching 1x weapon and 1x armor gives full credit. Look at the achieves, that is it. The achieves actually reward motifs far more than any crafting research or crafting things you have done in the past.

Crafting writs drop at a very high rate to crafters with a lot of achieve points. Prepare to open your wallet though. I have dropped almost 1M in motifs the last week to get to the rates I now have. Almost all crafting points are in rare motifs. For my part I now have all but Akavari, Ebon, and some Ragada that I will finish soon. I will probably obtain all but Akavari in time.

STEVIL · February 2017

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

The drop rate appears to scale at least as high as 50%. What you need to know is that this is not liner, it is multiplicative. It actually does greatly reward players with full completion on crafting related achieves and may reward general achievement points. We are not sure on this. Look at your bars in this area. The formula appears to be Decimal crafting X decimal crafting area X (either total achieve points decimal or max drop rate decimal).

So your "I've done a lot" might be .5 X.5 X.5=12.5% whereas actually doing a lot would be .9X.9X(either .5 or .9) for 40% to 73%. You actually have to do a lot to get a good drop rate but that rate can get quite good. I am at about somewhere around 25%.

Specifically on the Nirn question. Actually, researching 1x weapon and 1x armor gives full credit. Look at the achieves, that is it. The achieves actually reward motifs far more than any crafting research or crafting things you have done in the past.

Crafting writs drop at a very high rate to crafters with a lot of achieve points. Prepare to open your wallet though. I have dropped almost 1M in motifs the last week to get to the rates I now have. Almost all crafting points are in rare motifs. For my part I now have all but Akavari, Ebon, and some Ragada that I will finish soon. I will probably obtain all but Akavari in time.

Sounds great to me.

thanks.

Synfaer · February 2017

f047ys3v3n wrote: »

The drop rate appears to scale at least as high as 50%. What you need to know is that this is not liner, it is multiplicative. It actually does greatly reward players with full completion on crafting related achieves and may reward general achievement points. We are not sure on this. Look at your bars in this area. The formula appears to be Decimal crafting X decimal crafting area X (either total achieve points decimal or max drop rate decimal).

So your "I've done a lot" might be .5 X.5 X.5=12.5% whereas actually doing a lot would be .9X.9X(either .5 or .9) for 40% to 73%. You actually have to do a lot to get a good drop rate but that rate can get quite good. I am at about somewhere around 25%.

Specifically on the Nirn question. Actually, researching 1x weapon and 1x armor gives full credit. Look at the achieves, that is it. The achieves actually reward motifs far more than any crafting research or crafting things you have done in the past.

Crafting writs drop at a very high rate to crafters with a lot of achieve points. Prepare to open your wallet though. I have dropped almost 1M in motifs the last week to get to the rates I now have. Almost all crafting points are in rare motifs. For my part I now have all but Akavari, Ebon, and some Ragada that I will finish soon. I will probably obtain all but Akavari in time.

Based on the stats I have compiled so far, I think you are on the right track. My main crafter knows all relevant motifs bar Akaviri and has learnt all traits; 5 of 12 blacksmith writs have dropped master writs, averaging 73 vouchers; 2 of 12 clothing writs have dropped master writs, averaging 46 but I have not received a woodworking master writ from 12 attempt (which just proves the RNG is as flaky as ever). I have 3 more crafters with 2-3 full motifs learnt and about 80% of traits researched. These crafters between them have done 36 blacksmith writs for 0 master writs, 36 clothing writs for 1 master writ and 36 woodworking writs for 2 master writs. At the base line I have 2 more crafters with just 1-2 traits and no motifs, theses guys have completed 24 writs in all three crafts for 0 writs.
Too few stats for a definitive theory but it appears my main crafter has an impressive advantage over the others in obtaining master writs.
It is easy to get full achievements in alchemy and enchanting so I have a full 6 characters collecting these writs with presumably the same equal top chance of receiving master writs. At the moment the stats look fairly even between them with regard to master writs received. For alchemy; 72 writs for 16 master writs and for enchanting 72 writs for 8 master writs, about 20% and 10% return respectively.

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helediron · February 2017

Calculated from over 1200 writs and over wide range of crafters. All crafters should have alchemy and enchant achievements done. Best crafter knows everything. Worst have at least 6 traits. All have at least old epic motifs and festival motifs. The sample gave 146 master writs and 1666 vouchers. In this sample MW drop rate is 11%. On average MW gave 11 vouchers.

There is too little data to see crafter quality from RNG noise. Ten percent drop rate indicates we need to follow at least a month to start separating actual chances fron RNG.

Reorx_Holybeard · February 2017

Some more stats...

Main Crafter

All traits known
23 full motifs
All but 6 recipes known
16 days of all writs done
Smithing Writs = 5/48 (10%, 68 total vouchers)
Alchemy = 2/16 (12%, 7 total vouchers)
Enchanting = 2/16 (12%, 2 total vouchers)
Provisioning = 1/16 (6%, 10 total vouchers)

x10 Mule Crafters

No traits known, no motifs, no purple/gold recipes
Partial enchanting/alchemy completions
16 days of all writs done
Smithing = 3/480 (0.6%, 65 total vouchers)
Alchemy = 19/160 (12%, 68 total vouchers,
Enchanting = 5/160 (3%, 10 total vouchers)
Provisioning = 1/160 (0.6%, 2 total vouchers)

The idea that the bonus chance to get a master writ is non-linear seems to match the data I have with my enchanting writs in particular. Most of my 10 mules knew all rune translations except CP150, Kuta, and Hajeko. So the 3% chance compared to my main crafter's 12% seems like a large bump for just completing the last few translations. I've had all my mules learn all alchemy/enchanting traits/translations a few days ago so we'll see how it improves the odds in a week or too.

Jolipinator · February 2017

I got my first master writ today. It requires a DLC style to finish it. Totally pointless.

Jaeysa · February 2017

Jolipinator wrote: »

I got my first master writ today. It requires a DLC style to finish it. Totally pointless.

Not really - you can trade it for one you know, or sell it and use the proceeds towards one that you can complete.

Also, regardless of what DLC you do or don't have, you can buy the style motifs from other players. Set's are a different story, though.

lientier · February 2017

Well I was quite sure only non-dlc motives were counted not all. I think they stated this.
so it could be ony 16 complete ones (non-dlc) (except when counting the blue ones as single motives, and not the achiement which pts them all into one)
My character has 9 of those general completed style achiements ( so 5 non-dlc styles and one achievement for all the blue styles).
I have a total of 16270 of achievement points which I think is a lot..

I have all the other achievements (except 10 of the new ones which have relation with furniture recipes/mats).
edit: I also miss the 100 master writs as well.

I dont get no master writs, but not many as well. Sometimes I get one, one day I got 2, most days I dont get any.

With this character and my alt who only does 2 writs and has no major achievements whatsoever in total I had 15 writs since launch minus one day.

davey1107 · February 2017

I'm fine with the drop rate. In fact, given what the vouchers are good for I think it's generous.

If we assume they designed it for accounts with one master crafter...the newer or more casual players...the rate seems to lead to adding one writ vendor item to your house per week. My one master crafter in two days got about 50 vouchers, so there's my one item.

Gamers...a new element to the game is added, and within two days they're whining that they haven't been handed every bonus, buff and item on a silver platter.

disintegr8 · February 2017

First night with the Homestead patch last night (PS4) and I think the master writs are underwhelming.

Did 2 days worth of max level writs across 6 characters, 5 of them did all 6, one did 5, so 70 max level writs. I got 3 alchemy, 1 enchanting and 2 clothing master writs worth a total of 26 writ vouchers.

EDIT: So to stay on topic, I'd say that based on 2 days writs, I am happy so far with the drop rate - 2 of my characters got 2 and another 2 got 1 each. My problem is with reward.

The alchemy writs were fine, make 20 potions or poisons for a couple of writ vouchers - whatever.
The enchanting needed a Kuta for a return of 2 or 3 vouchers - worth it ? Probably not if you have to buy a kuta.
One clothing writ required DC alliance motif, which I had but also needed to be epic and only returned 5 vouchers.
The other clothing writ, also in epic, for a return of 6 vouchers, requires Malacath motif knowledge - which I do not have.

There is no way known I would bother buying the particular Malacath motif I need to get 6 writ vouchers - 60 and I would think about it but 6 is just not worth the expense or effort.

Now I do not have a problem with any of these requiring high end materials or top level motif knowledge - if the rewards are worthy of the effort. In my mind, neither the enchanting nor the 2 clothing writs were worth the effort that someone might have put into gaining the required skills, knowledge or materials.

Because I give them all to my only 9 trait master crafter to complete (DC), I then have to travel to Wayrest to hand them in when my character hands his normal writs in Belkarth. This is more ridiculous travel just for the sake of it - and the drop off point is the opposite side of Wayrest to the wayshrine.

I will continue doing the daily writs because that is what I have always done, but I guess I'll just be banking any master writs I get until I run out of inventory space - again.

I_killed_Vivec · February 2017

davey1107 wrote: »

I'm fine with the drop rate. In fact, given what the vouchers are good for I think it's generous.

If we assume they designed it for accounts with one master crafter...the newer or more casual players...the rate seems to lead to adding one writ vendor item to your house per week. My one master crafter in two days got about 50 vouchers, so there's my one item.

Gamers...a new element to the game is added, and within two days they're whining that they haven't been handed every bonus, buff and item on a silver platter.

You would think it generous - 1 master crafter getting 50 tokens in two days...

There are plenty of us with more than 1 master crafter (and I mean level 50 in all crafts, all traits, most motifs) who haven't received 50 tokens in two days.

That's the point really - you're too busy saying "It's fine, I got mine" to hear people saying "Hold on, I didn't get anything near that... with more crafters doing more writs!"