Morrowind...and ESO+

Stopnaggin

old_mufasa wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Another question @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror

You specifically mention, in the ESO+ Purchase page, that I will receive ALL Future DLC Content. How will I be receiving ALL of this future DLC Content, when it's locked behind a paywall being Morrowind. You do not exclude additional content via expansions - so legally - I think you have to provide the Morrowind access from a DLC perspective



(Disclaimer - not a lawyer - not have I checked these "new" Additional Requirements that seems to be a recent addition....)

Actually it says all dlc available in the crown store. As this isn't available in the crownstore there is the "out".

Personally I have already pre ordered and still sub, so I don't have a dog in the fight. To me I see a value in ESO+ , and in reality for me $40 isn't all that much, so new content, continued upgrades and patches like 1t and Homestead are why I stay subbed.

Ya and we have linked it prior to this where it said ALL DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT... THEY CHANGED IT DO TO MORROWIND!!

Why is this so hard to understand.. we paid in advance with our subs for ALL DOWNLOADABE CONTENT.. then they bait and switched it.. this is what we as subs are upset about...

This has NOTHING to do with the amount of content that other DLC's had, it has to do with what they advertised to us.. and that they said we as plus members would get DLC every 12 weeks.. it will have been almost a year since any new paid DLC content and then we do get it they want to charge us.. even though for the last year we have paid on avg $180 in sub fees with the understanding that they would honor what they advertised when we started to sub that ALL downloadable content would be included with the sub.

1st they never "promised" anything. I get people are upset, I just choose to not be. I never view my sub as anything above what I recieve in any given month. Have I recieved what I paid for? Yes I have. Have I paid for something that hasn't released? No I have not. We can argue the language all we want, but it's not changing anything. We have gotten 2 major updates free. We have had our dlcs, again language is part of this because I never saw a promise of 4 DLCs a year. So the model has changed yes, it has. Is it still worth the sub, that's for you to decide for yourself.

If you feel cheated, bamboozled or lied to, the the door is over there ---->. No one should stay in what they percieve as an abusive relationship. Clearly in the TOS they change anything at anytime. An agreement we all agreed to. So I guess we all made a bad decision.

Personally I don't sub for the dlc, the crowns and craft bag are why I stay subbed. And as long as I get what I purchased I'm fine. If you find no value anymore, it's quite simple, unsub. Buy crowns when on sale and directly purchase dlc. Problem solved.

Stopnaggin

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Zuboko wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Am I right in saying, that the ESO+ players will still get everything - just not the collection edition addons like the bear, horse, gear, etc....

£40.00 for the expansion - after 2 years of ESO Plus Membership.

Edit1: YOU CAN NOT BUY THIS EXPANSION WITH CROWNS!!!! ONLY CASH.

Edit2: Another question @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror
You specifically mention, in the ESO+ Purchase page, that I will receive ALL Future DLC Content. How will I be receiving ALL of this future DLC Content, when it's locked behind a paywall being Morrowind. You do not exclude additional content via expansions - so legally - I think you have to provide the Morrowind access from a DLC perspective (Disclaimer - not a lawyer)

Edit3: @ZOS_GinaBruno Has stated there will be an update for ESO+ Subscribers tomorrow. We shall see.


That's it, I'm done. Have fun folks but I'm certainly not paying for this.

Calm down. They are trying something new to give us more new and better content. They have also heard the concerns that fans have voiced about the worth of ESO plus and are rethinking what they can do to make sure it will stay worthwhile. At least wait to find out one how much value will the new chapter give, and two what will they do to make sure ESO plus stays of worth.

If after seeing what they have planned you decide to get mad, then so be it, until then you are blindly raging about what you don't really know about.

It is the combination of no paid content for a year (housing and OT were free for everyone) and then having to pay for the new content which has got people angry. What have plus users got for about $100 in the 12 month period (as it will be) which they couldn't have got for free since the previous DLC? To find out they have given $100 for nothing and then are expected to pay $50 for new content because the marketing team has found a loophole in the meaning of DLC is an insult.

Is this content larger than normal, yep, however, compare it with an expansion from other MMO's and it is tiny

So you subbed for a year and haven't recieved your crowns, craft bag, inspiration and gold gains? Seriously this whole we were "promised" thing. We were never promised anything. The TOS overrides anything they have said, and that is the loophole. And we all agreed to it. Stop expecting things that haven't even happened yet. You pay a month at a time or 6 months in advance you are still recieving what you have paid for. You can acces dlc, the craft bag and you get your crowns. Things change, happens all the time, you can adapt, you can accept, you can complain or you can leave. Personally if I felt cheated I would bat an eye, I would he gone whitout so much as a goodbye.

Nermy

esotoon wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Good questions. We'll be getting into this more tomorrow - stay tuned for an article on our website that should give some insight.

Was there ever an article from ZoS on this?

@Nermy - This was the article:

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/02/01/welcome-to-2017

Then this thread was started 3 days later in the Crown Store & ESO Plus section of the forum:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318400/ideas-for-eso-plus/p1

Thanks @esotoon

Balibe

old_mufasa wrote: »

They said ALL DLC and Expansions would be included with the sub, then changed the wording for this to a chapter to say why it needs to be paid for.

There was not bait & switch, just deal with it .....

They only said all DLC's were included in sub. They never said all expansion & chapters were included in sub .....

There is a difference between DLC's compared to expansions, or chapters as they are calling it .....

Valestris

Kendo12 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

sub cancelled, thanks for the info

ZoS won't miss your few dollars, thanks for commenting.

mrfrontman

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

No, I won't need to purchase one of the five editions of anything. What I need to do is revoke my ESO+ membership and delete the game off my PC because your company is nothing but a massive scam. You won't be seeing my money anymore, goodbye.

Valestris

AdamBourke wrote: »

SaRuZ wrote: »

You also get crowns every month alongside the crafting bag. If DLC is your main concern why not do what I did and buy it outright? I paid $40 for the Megapack and now I own it

I dont care about the crowns - although the crafting back was nice, it wasn't there from the start, and is not why I subscribe*.

I subscribe* to make sure I have all the content, while at the same time supporting ESO a little bit more than I would be just buying the DLC.

But... the only paid for DLC there will have been for a year (by the time morrowind is released) will be two dungeons. I kept going, thinking that they would release something cool to make up for a year of paying for ESO+ without any significant content. And they are releasing something cool... but it's not included.

Even if i WAS interested in the crowns, the direction the crown store is going has made me consider scrapping ESO+ in protest regardless of DLC content.

I will miss the crafting bag.

---

*subscribed. It is now past tense.

ZOS won't miss your 15 dollars, enjoy having no DB TG Ors or IC or craft bag. Good day.

Balibe

mrfrontman wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

No, I won't need to purchase one of the five editions of anything. What I need to do is revoke my ESO+ membership and delete the game off my PC because your company is nothing but a massive scam. You won't be seeing my money anymore, goodbye.

Goodbye ... I wish I could ask for your stuff by I don't play on PC ......

daedalusAI

Balibe wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

They said ALL DLC and Expansions would be included with the sub, then changed the wording for this to a chapter to say why it needs to be paid for.

There was not bait & switch, just deal with it .....

They only said all DLC's were included in sub. They never said all expansion & chapters were included in sub .....

There is a difference between DLC's compared to expansions, or chapters as they are calling it .....

For the sake of the discussion explain the major differences between DLC, expansion and chapter if you're able to come to a conclusion so quickly.

If you go be the base meaning of DLC = downloadable content everything that you can download as an addition to a base game is a DLC - independent if it's just a weapon skin or an expansion.

I'm too lazy to dig for information but it would be quite interesting to determine the exact spot on ESO's timeline when ZOS suddenly switched from calling additional content DLC to chapters.
Another thing would be to compare ZOS's promised perks of subbing with the actual facts of what they did.

M0bi

So, Did ZoS actually say anything about this problem or are they going to give something to ESO+ subscribers?

esotoon

Stopnaggin wrote: »

I'm too lazy to dig for information but it would be quite interesting to determine the exact spot on ESO's timeline when ZOS suddenly switched from calling additional content DLC to chapters.

The first use of the term "Chapter" was with the launch announcement of Morrowind. They detail their future plans regarding "Chapters" and DLC, and what we can expect here:

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/02/01/welcome-to-2017

Another thing would be to compare ZOS's promised perks of subbing with the actual facts of what they did.

If only there was a thread about Morrowind and ESO+ that contains all this information!

esotoon

M0bi wrote: »

So, Did ZoS actually say anything about this problem or are they going to give something to ESO+ subscribers?

Not directly as such. On ESO Live they said something like we had, had 4 lots of content over the past year (which ignores the fact that 2 lots of that content was available to all, so having access to it wasn't a perk of ESO+).

And a few days after the Morrowind announcement, and people complaining in threads like this, this thread was started over on the Crown Store & ESO+ section of the forum:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318400/ideas-for-eso-plus/p1

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Since we are still talking about this, here is my complete and total answer compiled from a few previous posts with all evidence included. Hopefully this will demonstrate how this is NOT at all about the Money, its about morality and principle. Allow me to explain.

DLC vs Expansion:
Morrowind is about twice the size (in landmass) of previous DLCs and about 1.5x as long of a storyline as Wrothgar (30hrs vs 20). So its about the size two wrothgars. People would't mind paying twice the Wrothgar price in crowns (6000 vs 3000) for Morrowind and subscribers wouldn't mind waiting two quarters (with no DLC) for its release instead of the usual 4 DLCs per year they were expecting because that's what they were told to expect.

But for subscribers, it stings a little bit that ZOS is changing their business model again, (and not really admitting they have changed anything) while also playing fast and loose with the definition of DLC vs "chapter." If you compare the substantial difference between morrowind and previous expansions like wrothgar, they look pretty similar. Both add landmass and new gameplay styles (like Maelstrom, trials, etc) and only differ in size so the semantics argument of "Expansion vs DLC" isn't that compelling. Also, the warden isn't completely new, it was a class cut out of early beta in 2013.

Change in Business Model
So it feels to a lot of subscribers that something they already pay for, (and monetarily helped develop) is being stripped out of the business model and sold back to them as something different (bundled with a few other things ZOS had lying around), when it really isn't that much different. Here is an example:

If I was a magazine company, and I sold you a yearly subscription that gave you 12 magazines per year at $40 per year, then for the next year, still charged $40 but only delivered 10 magazines, but also produced a double sized "Booklet" with a holographic cover that I sold separately for $20, you would feel a bit ripped off. Explaining that the "Booklet" isn't a magazine because its twice the size and has a fancy holographic cover wouldn't be a compelling explanation. Better I just admit I changed the business model and selling 12 magazines for $40 just didn't cut it for me so I would rather you pay $60 per year for the same amount of content just bundled differently.

The real reason people are upset
Most subscribers are diehard fans of this game and would appreciate the honesty and gladly shell out the extra money for Morrowind if ZOS just admitted they made a mistake and needed to change the model again. But instead, they pretend nothing has changed and we are given semantic word acrobatics and an unnecessary physical release of morrowind complete with a silly statue just to dance around the fact that this is really a DLC which literally means "Downloadable Content." Very few people buy physical game copies anymore. Making Morrowind a physical distribution seems like a completely bizarre business move unless you realize that ZOS already told subscribers they would have access to ALL DLC. Oops. Better crank out a special addition with a shiny statue. Shiny objects will distract them, won't they?

Back when "Tamriel Unlimited" Launched, Pete Hines said something to the effect of "Just subscribe and you won't EVER have to worry about purchasing new content. Subscriber's will be taken care of." If you don't believe me, you can watch it HERE. That's what subscribers were expecting for the foreseeable future so it is no surprise people are a little upset that this was changed with very little communication, sympathy, or appreciation for current subscribers and what they have done to help fund the game.

Now lets get some pre-emptive arguments out of the way:

• Yes, ZOS can change their mind or business model at any time. They are not legally obligated to deliver anything they promise. Unlike almost every other industry that is held to external standards of ethics and quality from Movie Theaters to Vegas Casinos, the videogame industry is still in the regulatory wild west and can anything it wants to its customers. But should they still voluntarily follow some ethical guidelines? I think so. This argument is a moral argument, not a legal one.
• Yes, Zenimax is a business and business's are designed to make money. Since we don't know their finacial situation, this is irrelavent as this has NOTHING to do with the amount of money their are charging and everything to do with ZOS not sticking to their word and their PERCEIVED promises.
• Yes, other MMOs do offer DLC and charge extra for expansions but the expansions are usually so much bigger and game changing than morrowind will be and usually continue the main storyline which AFAIK, morrowind will not.

So the issue that many subscribers have is three fold.

• ZOS isn't admitting (in a straightforward way) that they changed their business model again, and they are breaking their promise to subscribers (of delivering 1 DLC every quarter) and pulling Morrowind out of that subscription model by using a semantic technicality.
• ZOS isn't admitting that the Value of a subscription is decreasing as they have changed from 4 DLCs/year to 3DLCs and 1 "bigger DLC you have to buy separately" per year.
• Also the cost of items in the crown store (motifs) and mounts have kept creeping up although ZOS has said originally, (when Tamriel Unlimited came out) that subscribers would have more than enough of a crown stipend to fully enjoy the crown store. On top of that, there are now exclusive items you cant even get with crowns unless you gamble, which is just more price creep.

TL;DR: The bottom line is that the value of being a subscriber was slowly decreasing and Morrowind being published somewhat arbitrarily outside of the subscription model is a final straw for some that is getting them to re-evaluate the benefits of subscribing.

Just remember that ESO subscription money helped fund the Morrowind DLC.

kalarro

From what I read, most annoyed players say it's because it's not included in ESO+, and even insist that the problem is not the price, but the "shadiness" of what was promised and all that.

Well, in my case, I pay for ESO+ and I dont mind getting a bigger upgrade and needing to pay extra. BUT, I do care about the added content vs price. For what I see, what we are getting is absolutly not worth 40€

MMOs expansions add many zones, new player levels for all clases with new skills and traits, a couple of raids, many dungeons, some new gampleya mechanics, and so on and so on.

I dont see morrowind expansion getting nearly as much.

So IMO, I think it's ok to pay extra for a bigger upgrade even beeing ESO+, but it should cost 20-25€, not 40. That's just beeing greedy

Idinuse

LordGavus wrote: »

I can see how this will annoy some people, but 5 months notice has been given before ESO:MW letting subscribers know of the change. This is pretty generous heads up.

Plenty of time to decide if the value is there for you or not.

The 5 month (6) notice on Morrowind is actually not the issue most of us have, it's that we payed 6 months under the impression that we will get 4 DLC/year, and after 6 months without a word of any DLC, we learn that we won't be getting any DLCs but instead they are "introducing" a chapter in 6 months that we will have to pay for. This "introduction" would have been fair to give subscribers a heads up on 6 months ago.

I mean they even worded Homestead as a "DLC" when that is free to all (a game update) regardless of ESO+, to somehow be able to point to that and say "Hey you got a DLC in Feb -17.... They are really twisting the words here. It's really not that hard for people to understand subscribers reactions, I believe.

Elsonso

Idinuse wrote: »

I mean they even worded Homestead as a "DLC" when that is free to all (a game update) regardless of ESO+, to somehow be able to point to that and say "Hey you got a DLC in Feb -17.... They are really twisting the words here. It's really not that hard for people to understand subscribers reactions, I believe.

I've not seen them refer to Homestead as a "DLC". I have seen other people refer to Homestead as a DLC, though. All I have heard is "update" from Bethesda and ZOS. What are you referring to?

heaven13

lordrichter wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

I mean they even worded Homestead as a "DLC" when that is free to all (a game update) regardless of ESO+, to somehow be able to point to that and say "Hey you got a DLC in Feb -17.... They are really twisting the words here. It's really not that hard for people to understand subscribers reactions, I believe.

I've not seen them refer to Homestead as a "DLC". I have seen other people refer to Homestead as a DLC, though. All I have heard is "update" from Bethesda and ZOS. What are you referring to?

It's actually in the Welcome to 2017 article.

Homestead, our player housing DLC, in February

Elsonso

heaven13 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

I mean they even worded Homestead as a "DLC" when that is free to all (a game update) regardless of ESO+, to somehow be able to point to that and say "Hey you got a DLC in Feb -17.... They are really twisting the words here. It's really not that hard for people to understand subscribers reactions, I believe.

I've not seen them refer to Homestead as a "DLC". I have seen other people refer to Homestead as a DLC, though. All I have heard is "update" from Bethesda and ZOS. What are you referring to?

It's actually in the Welcome to 2017 article.

Homestead, our player housing DLC, in February

Cool. Thanks.

parkham

I'm still debating if I want to fork over the $$ for Morrowind. I haven't even done 40% of the existing zones yet. * Will wait for a sale, probably *.

Idinuse

lordrichter wrote: »

Idinuse wrote: »

I mean they even worded Homestead as a "DLC" when that is free to all (a game update) regardless of ESO+, to somehow be able to point to that and say "Hey you got a DLC in Feb -17.... They are really twisting the words here. It's really not that hard for people to understand subscribers reactions, I believe.

I've not seen them refer to Homestead as a "DLC". I have seen other people refer to Homestead as a DLC, though. All I have heard is "update" from Bethesda and ZOS. What are you referring to?

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/02/01/welcome-to-2017

I quote Matt Fior:

This year will feature four major events:

• Homestead, our player housing DLC, in February
• ESO: Morrowind, our first Chapter release, in June
• A dungeon-based DLC in the third quarter
• A content-based DLC in the fourth quarter"

Devlin69

So now I have to pay my sub AND buy expansions?

Errr no, i'm off if that's the case.

If this is the new direction ZoS is taking I will be paying £100 a year for a crafting bag.

Did I read somewhere we also have to pay for an extra character slot if all our others are full? Plus the Morrowind expansion AND the ESO+ membership?

poleth1984

i blows my mine how much whineing comes in any mmo when you are expected to pay for expansions. it is stupid and childish. they need to make money to keep everything going for those of us who enjoy playing the game. as far as i know, they are a private company, not public. they need to make money to keep employees and keep producing content. if you dont like it, delete their games and stop supporting them.

Sigma957

Devlin69 wrote: »

So now I have to pay my sub AND buy expansions?

Errr no, i'm off if that's the case.

If this is the new direction ZoS is taking I will be paying £100 a year for a crafting bag.

Did I read somewhere we also have to pay for an extra character slot if all our others are full on top of the Morrowind expansion AND the ESO+ membership?

Yes we will need to pay for extra char slots thats why I have kept a couple spare but with membership we still have access to all crown store dlc + 1500 crowns a month anyway I pay $180 a year so I can have crafting bag, totally worth it
Expansion or chapter however you want to call them if they are not in crown store then we pay.

Morgha_Kul

I would have NO problem paying for expansions if I didn't have to pay for damn near everything else. Want a house? There's no damn way to get the gold for one, gotta use the store. Oh, and it's $130. Want that cool outfit? Have to pay extra actual cash for that, it's only on the store. Want that crafting motif? Well, it has a 1 in a billion chance of dropping, so you'll pretty well have to buy it on the store, only $50.

If paying my subscription gave me these things, even better, if they were PART OF THE GAME, and not in the store, I'd be very happy to pay $50 for an expansion, such as we've been given for free in the past.

I've been really hoping to get back to Vvardenfell, so I'll likely be buying the expansion, but the nickel and diming is really tiresome. It's polluted every game I've played for the better part of a decade, and it's becoming too much to stomach.

lampheezy

mb10 wrote: »

lmao why do ESO+ members who pay a few bucks a month think they're entitled to the world?

Get in line and pay the $40 for the expansion

how about no and shut your face

Martan wrote: »

I don't see the problem here. World of Warcraft among other MMORPG's requires you to purchase all new expansions along with paying a non-mandatory monthly fee.

yeah but they straight up said you can get it with in game crowns that's the problem.

lampheezy

Stopnaggin wrote: »

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Zuboko wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Am I right in saying, that the ESO+ players will still get everything - just not the collection edition addons like the bear, horse, gear, etc....

£40.00 for the expansion - after 2 years of ESO Plus Membership.

Edit1: YOU CAN NOT BUY THIS EXPANSION WITH CROWNS!!!! ONLY CASH.

Edit2: Another question @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror
You specifically mention, in the ESO+ Purchase page, that I will receive ALL Future DLC Content. How will I be receiving ALL of this future DLC Content, when it's locked behind a paywall being Morrowind. You do not exclude additional content via expansions - so legally - I think you have to provide the Morrowind access from a DLC perspective (Disclaimer - not a lawyer)

Edit3: @ZOS_GinaBruno Has stated there will be an update for ESO+ Subscribers tomorrow. We shall see.


That's it, I'm done. Have fun folks but I'm certainly not paying for this.

Calm down. They are trying something new to give us more new and better content. They have also heard the concerns that fans have voiced about the worth of ESO plus and are rethinking what they can do to make sure it will stay worthwhile. At least wait to find out one how much value will the new chapter give, and two what will they do to make sure ESO plus stays of worth.

If after seeing what they have planned you decide to get mad, then so be it, until then you are blindly raging about what you don't really know about.

It is the combination of no paid content for a year (housing and OT were free for everyone) and then having to pay for the new content which has got people angry. What have plus users got for about $100 in the 12 month period (as it will be) which they couldn't have got for free since the previous DLC? To find out they have given $100 for nothing and then are expected to pay $50 for new content because the marketing team has found a loophole in the meaning of DLC is an insult.

Is this content larger than normal, yep, however, compare it with an expansion from other MMO's and it is tiny

So you subbed for a year and haven't recieved your crowns, craft bag, inspiration and gold gains? Seriously this whole we were "promised" thing. We were never promised anything. The TOS overrides anything they have said, and that is the loophole. And we all agreed to it. Stop expecting things that haven't even happened yet. You pay a month at a time or 6 months in advance you are still recieving what you have paid for. You can acces dlc, the craft bag and you get your crowns. Things change, happens all the time, you can adapt, you can accept, you can complain or you can leave. Personally if I felt cheated I would bat an eye, I would he gone whitout so much as a goodbye.

Vanryth

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

Expansion, DLC, what is the difference? Both include additional content.

the difference is, that in DLC's are just minor changes to the game, or adding a few items.

Expansion is, who guessed it? an expansion, with TONS OF CONTENT, tons of p to f.

so, DLC = the little D / Expansion = BBC

Ep1kMalware

Balibe wrote: »

old_mufasa wrote: »

They said ALL DLC and Expansions would be included with the sub, then changed the wording for this to a chapter to say why it needs to be paid for.

There was not bait & switch, just deal with it .....

They only said all DLC's were included in sub. They never said all expansion & chapters were included in sub .....

There is a difference between DLC's compared to expansions, or chapters as they are calling it .....

I quit being upset about that when they said we'd get a balance change every quarter. fml

whitebeard00

Personally I have a huge problem paying for a subscription that is supposed to support the development and cover future updates and content, then when said content is released I have to pay for it. I don`t really care if ESO calls it a DLC or chapter or whatever else.

ZOS, if you are paying attention, the day Morrowind was announced I ended my subscription.

Elsonso

whitebeard00 wrote: »

Personally I have a huge problem paying for a subscription that is supposed to support the development and cover future updates and content, then when said content is released I have to pay for it. I don`t really care if ESO calls it a DLC or chapter or whatever else.

ZOS, if you are paying attention, the day Morrowind was announced I ended my subscription.

Subscriptions are not an investment. They should not intended to be paying for features or development yet to happen. They should be used only based on what they provide at the start of the subscription term. In this way, things are a lot less confusing, and a lot less prone to "surprise" when the course of development does not follow the projected "investment path".