Morrowind...and ESO+

Skilledzerob14_ESO

ChandraNalaar wrote: »

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

lmao why do ESO+ members who pay a few bucks a month think they're entitled to the world?

Get in line and pay the $40 for the expansion

Because they promised that any additional DLC would be for free. Now, you can just rename it "expansion" to get away with charging more.

This is my concern here. I'm obviously going to get Morrowind, but it's rather unfair that ZOS can decide at whim what falls in the ESO+ boundary and what doesn't. What happens if the dungeon dlc quarter is renamed the "adventurer" expansion, and all adventurer expansions don't count under ESO+ either? I don't think it's the cost of an expansion that is upsetting people, but rather the precedent being set that ZOS can and will change the names of things whenever they like and say it doesn't count for ESO+.

Ok put into perspective how much content is in all of the dlcs they mark as free and how much is added to this expansion. It's even getting a physical copy with extras. Did that happen for the dlcs?

So the way WOW works is that you subscribe and all content patches that fall under their current expansion is free but you have to subscribe and pay for it. New expansion comes out and you have to pay. This is the same concept but you can technically get those content patch if you pay something for their work or you can just subscribe.

corrosivechains

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

corrosivechains wrote: »

So. I can now literally buy every WoW product, be it game, expansion, hearthstone cards, heroes of the storm heroes, mounts and pets in their store...every damned thing Blizzard makes with WoW gold.

Tell me again how not offering this content to subscribers and for crowns, both of which cost real money, and can not be earned for free in game, is defensible and comparable to WoW and their expansions again?

Rut-roh! Time to switch back to WoW sucks and we dont want to be like WoW! We are different!

yeah, kinda takes the wind out of the sales of those saying "look at WoW, you gotta pay for expansions there and this is an expansion!"

I honestly wont be surprised now when we get closer to Morrowinds release, Blizz will just flat out say "WoW's now free to play!" and have some plan to offer full current content to subscribers just to rub it in. Like many have pointed out, Blizzard tends to do stuff like that whenever their top competitors roll out something that might draw away their player base, and right now ESO is the only MMO really competing.

kaiage

oh boo hoo, i have to pay money to play a game that costs actual money to mantain and develop, oh woe is me

corrosivechains

kaiage wrote: »

oh boo hoo, i have to pay money to play a game that costs actual money to mantain and develop, oh woe is me

What a rather cogent and original point that hasn't been refuted constantly and consistently

FlaviusVoyage

ChandraNalaar wrote: »

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

lmao why do ESO+ members who pay a few bucks a month think they're entitled to the world?

Get in line and pay the $40 for the expansion

Because they promised that any additional DLC would be for free. Now, you can just rename it "expansion" to get away with charging more.

This is my concern here. I'm obviously going to get Morrowind, but it's rather unfair that ZOS can decide at whim what falls in the ESO+ boundary and what doesn't. What happens if the dungeon dlc quarter is renamed the "adventurer" expansion, and all adventurer expansions don't count under ESO+ either? I don't think it's the cost of an expansion that is upsetting people, but rather the precedent being set that ZOS can and will change the names of things whenever they like and say it doesn't count for ESO+.

Yea, people are saying over and over that it is not the cost that is upsetting, but other people here simply cannot get it. I already pre-ordered the physical copy of Morrowind, because I like the game. (Well, I am starting to like it a little less now.)

DenMoria

You know, this whole conversation really doesn't make a case that MMOs are really very user friendly.

I mean, honestly, you spend $100 on the collectors edition and spend $180 bucks a year on a sub that, honestly, doesn't really offer you much of anything unless you're really in to pretty colours and a mild increase in your stats, and you still have to buy just about everything in the Crown Store ('cause it's not included, of course) and you still need to use the "free" crowns you get for you sub to actually purchase the DLC's just in case something happens and you can't sub and you want to continue to play and then they spring on you a new model that says you, with a sub, are now going to have to pay additionally for about 1/2 of any new content.

Is it worth it? Is a crafting bag really worth it?

I just don't know.

Of course I'll by the new "Chapter" and probably the chapters after that, even though I really don't play all that much, but I want to support the folks that are owned by the owners of my favorite gaming company and I'll continue to sub and build up yet more crowns that I will never use.

Who knows. I'm just not a fan of MMOs in general as you always end up with an elitest bunch controlling things (in ESO it's guilds and high-level locations). Don't get me wrong, they deserve to be elitest 'cause they've put in so much work, but, please guys, stop telling me that I have to stop having fun and comply with your ideas of what's best.

It's depressing.

KanedaSyndrome

I've never seen the logic in being an ESO+ since you'd lose access to DLCs once you unsubbed, instead I've been buying crowns and then I've bought the DLCs, so they're mine now even though I'm not subbed. It's cheaper and it's permanent. I can live without the other ESO+ stuff.

Silver_Strider

I really don't know why anyone is complaining; you could see this coming a mile away.

ZOS has never had a clear vision for ESO. This game has seen several radical changes throughout its existence.
From being a sub only to going B2P.
From the promise of no cash shop to scam crates being in abundance.
To the very way that zones and the leveling process have changed (welcomed change or otherwise)

Red Flags should have gone off at the announcement of 1 Tamriel being a base patch. Sure, some people were upset but they were quickly pacified by all the other great things about 1T, despite missing out on the 1 DLC every quarter promise. The truth of the matter is that the promise was already broken last year, people were just too blind to see it for what it was then. Now that it's looking them directly in the face, they want to cry about a feeling of betrayal that happened months ago. You had a chance to cancel back on 1 tamriel but if you didn't, you pretty much told ZOS you didn't care about the promise they made.

It doesn't matter that you feel cheated and lied to, which ZOS has done time and time again. No one is forcing you to pay your subscription, so if you don't like ZOS and their underhanded ways, stop your sub. It is literally that simple.

FlaviusVoyage

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I really don't know why anyone is complaining; you could see this coming a mile away.

ZOS has never had a clear vision for ESO. This game has seen several radical changes throughout its existence.
From being a sub only to going B2P.
From the promise of no cash shop to scam crates being in abundance.
To the very way that zones and the leveling process have changed (welcomed change or otherwise)

Red Flags should have gone off at the announcement of 1 Tamriel being a base patch. Sure, some people were upset but they were quickly pacified by all the other great things about 1T, despite missing out on the 1 DLC every quarter promise. The truth of the matter is that the promise was already broken last year, people were just too blind to see it for what it was then. Now that it's looking them directly in the face, they want to cry about a feeling of betrayal that happened months ago. You had a chance to cancel back on 1 tamriel but if you didn't, you pretty much told ZOS you didn't care about the promise they made.

It doesn't matter that you feel cheated and lied to, which ZOS has done time and time again. No one is forcing you to pay your subscription, so if you don't like ZOS and their underhanded ways, stop your sub. It is literally that simple.

Let's look at the release dates for PC/MAC:

Thieves Guild (DLC) - 03/07/2016
Dark Brotherhood (DLC) - 05/31/2016
Shadow of the Hist (DLC) - 08/16/2016
Tamriel One (game patch) - 10/18/2016
Homestead (game patch, regardless of what Zenimax calls it) - 02/06/2017

When Zenimax released Tamriel One, they had delivered one DLC per quarter. I don't think it was foreseeable that we would spend so many months without a DLC.

IronCrystal

1000th reply not including OP. I have nothing to say though.

Aliniel

ESO Live today. There's a chance we might get some info on this. Knowing ZOS, they will evade this question and act like everyone's happy with Homestead and upcoming Morrowind.

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Let's look at the release dates for PC/MAC:

Thieves Guild (DLC) - 03/07/2016
Dark Brotherhood (DLC) - 05/31/2016
Shadow of the Hist (DLC) - 08/16/2016
Tamriel One (game patch) - 10/18/2016
Homestead (game patch, regardless of what Zenimax calls it) - 02/06/2017

Just realized we haven't got a decent DLC since Dark Brotherhood. In June it will be slightly over a year!

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old_mufasa

Aliniel wrote: »

ESO Live today. There's a chance we might get some info on this. Knowing ZOS, they will evade this question and act like everyone's happy with Homestead and upcoming Morrowind.

Par on course.. I have had a thread open on the xbox about the buzz lock up issue for months and months and there has not even been an acknowledgement of the issue...

I guess if enough unsub and do not buy morrowind maybe it will get there attention.. but that would take a major effort of the community as a whole to send that message.

Sovaso

34 pages? Really?!

Silver_Strider

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I really don't know why anyone is complaining; you could see this coming a mile away.

ZOS has never had a clear vision for ESO. This game has seen several radical changes throughout its existence.
From being a sub only to going B2P.
From the promise of no cash shop to scam crates being in abundance.
To the very way that zones and the leveling process have changed (welcomed change or otherwise)

Red Flags should have gone off at the announcement of 1 Tamriel being a base patch. Sure, some people were upset but they were quickly pacified by all the other great things about 1T, despite missing out on the 1 DLC every quarter promise. The truth of the matter is that the promise was already broken last year, people were just too blind to see it for what it was then. Now that it's looking them directly in the face, they want to cry about a feeling of betrayal that happened months ago. You had a chance to cancel back on 1 tamriel but if you didn't, you pretty much told ZOS you didn't care about the promise they made.

It doesn't matter that you feel cheated and lied to, which ZOS has done time and time again. No one is forcing you to pay your subscription, so if you don't like ZOS and their underhanded ways, stop your sub. It is literally that simple.

Let's look at the release dates for PC/MAC:

Thieves Guild (DLC) - 03/07/2016
Dark Brotherhood (DLC) - 05/31/2016
Shadow of the Hist (DLC) - 08/16/2016
Tamriel One (game patch) - 10/18/2016
Homestead (game patch, regardless of what Zenimax calls it) - 02/06/2017

When Zenimax released Tamriel One, they had delivered one DLC per quarter. I don't think it was foreseeable that we would spend so many months without a DLC.

Maybe not but the fact is that they didn't deliver a DLC for the 4th quarter of last year and hardly anyone cared about the promise then so really, no one complaining now has a leg to stand on

the_man_of_steal

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

This is a great way to make those who have supported your game with a monthly fee for years to feel completely duped & swindled by a technicality ZOS concocted without giving the users the necessary information about expansions not being included. At the very least, ESO Plus members ought to have a 60% discount on Expansions due to our continuing and loyal contributions to this game.

old_mufasa

the_man_of_steal wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

An ESO Plus membership will not grant you access to The Elder Scroll Online: Morrowind content. As this is an entirely new Chapter of ESO, you'll need to purchase one of the five editions. If you already own ESO, though, you can purchase the Morrowind Upgrade or the Morrowind Collector's Edition Upgrade directly from online stores (The Elder Scrolls Online Store, Steam Store, Xbox Store, or PlayStation Store).

This is a great way to make those who have supported your game with a monthly fee for years to feel completely duped & swindled by a technicality ZOS concocted without giving the users the necessary information about expansions not being included. At the very least, ESO Plus members ought to have a 60% discount on Expansions due to our continuing and loyal contributions to this game.

Ya I think that's what the detractors keeps forgetting.. we were pre paying for the DLC because they said we would be getting in the future...

GarnetFire17

You aren't swindled. At least not by ZOS, maybe yourselves. It's an UPGRADED version the game and you have notice since they do this from time to time. "Tameriel Unlimited" "Imperial Edition" "ESO GOLD" etc.... There just certain things that the membership isn't going to cover and they aren't going to take crowns for. This isn't the first time and won't be the last. The real benfit of ESO plus has ever provided are the bonuses in xp, the craftbag, and the steady flow of crowns so you can keep getting new thingamabobs to ride and make your characters look silly.

Stopnaggin

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Another question @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror

You specifically mention, in the ESO+ Purchase page, that I will receive ALL Future DLC Content. How will I be receiving ALL of this future DLC Content, when it's locked behind a paywall being Morrowind. You do not exclude additional content via expansions - so legally - I think you have to provide the Morrowind access from a DLC perspective



(Disclaimer - not a lawyer - not have I checked these "new" Additional Requirements that seems to be a recent addition....)

Actually it says all dlc available in the crown store. As this isn't available in the crownstore there is the "out".

Personally I have already pre ordered and still sub, so I don't have a dog in the fight. To me I see a value in ESO+ , and in reality for me $40 isn't all that much, so new content, continued upgrades and patches like 1t and Homestead are why I stay subbed.

esotoon

sevomd69 wrote: »

Actually it says all dlc available in the crown store. As this isn't available in the crownstore there is the "out".

As previously mentioned, the wording "available in the Crown Store" was only added the day of the Morrowind Announcement.

Wifeaggro13

DenMoria wrote: »

You know, this whole conversation really doesn't make a case that MMOs are really very user friendly.

I mean, honestly, you spend $100 on the collectors edition and spend $180 bucks a year on a sub that, honestly, doesn't really offer you much of anything unless you're really in to pretty colours and a mild increase in your stats, and you still have to buy just about everything in the Crown Store ('cause it's not included, of course) and you still need to use the "free" crowns you get for you sub to actually purchase the DLC's just in case something happens and you can't sub and you want to continue to play and then they spring on you a new model that says you, with a sub, are now going to have to pay additionally for about 1/2 of any new content.

Is it worth it? Is a crafting bag really worth it?

I just don't know.

Of course I'll by the new "Chapter" and probably the chapters after that, even though I really don't play all that much, but I want to support the folks that are owned by the owners of my favorite gaming company and I'll continue to sub and build up yet more crowns that I will never use.

Who knows. I'm just not a fan of MMOs in general as you always end up with an elitest bunch controlling things (in ESO it's guilds and high-level locations). Don't get me wrong, they deserve to be elitest 'cause they've put in so much work, but, please guys, stop telling me that I have to stop having fun and comply with your ideas of what's best.

It's depressing.

Yes crafting bag, and hear access is a complete game changer for those that actually play all of the game.it is pretty much required if you intend to paly Eso , craft at end game. If you just a solo quest er that does not really play anything other then the story line I don't think you will notice any how as you light attack your way through the content

Aliniel

I still don't understand why are they doing this...

Crowns cost money and are also a reward for ESO+ subscribers. So, basically, people who want to upgrade would have to buy crowns to do so. But no. They decided to completely f**k up their most loyal players. Srsly, this is beyond me. Why would anyone do this?

Kendo12

Aliniel wrote: »

I still don't understand why are they doing this...

Crowns cost money and are also a reward for ESO+ subscribers. So, basically, people who want to upgrade would have to buy crowns to do so. But no. They decided to completely f**k up their most loyal players. Srsly, this is beyond me. Why would anyone do this?

They only care about money, too bad, this game will fail again because of it

FlaviusVoyage

Silver_Strider wrote: »

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

Silver_Strider wrote: »

I really don't know why anyone is complaining; you could see this coming a mile away.

ZOS has never had a clear vision for ESO. This game has seen several radical changes throughout its existence.
From being a sub only to going B2P.
From the promise of no cash shop to scam crates being in abundance.
To the very way that zones and the leveling process have changed (welcomed change or otherwise)

Red Flags should have gone off at the announcement of 1 Tamriel being a base patch. Sure, some people were upset but they were quickly pacified by all the other great things about 1T, despite missing out on the 1 DLC every quarter promise. The truth of the matter is that the promise was already broken last year, people were just too blind to see it for what it was then. Now that it's looking them directly in the face, they want to cry about a feeling of betrayal that happened months ago. You had a chance to cancel back on 1 tamriel but if you didn't, you pretty much told ZOS you didn't care about the promise they made.

It doesn't matter that you feel cheated and lied to, which ZOS has done time and time again. No one is forcing you to pay your subscription, so if you don't like ZOS and their underhanded ways, stop your sub. It is literally that simple.

Let's look at the release dates for PC/MAC:

Thieves Guild (DLC) - 03/07/2016
Dark Brotherhood (DLC) - 05/31/2016
Shadow of the Hist (DLC) - 08/16/2016
Tamriel One (game patch) - 10/18/2016
Homestead (game patch, regardless of what Zenimax calls it) - 02/06/2017

When Zenimax released Tamriel One, they had delivered one DLC per quarter. I don't think it was foreseeable that we would spend so many months without a DLC.

Maybe not but the fact is that they didn't deliver a DLC for the 4th quarter of last year and hardly anyone cared about the promise then so really, no one complaining now has a leg to stand on

I think people were waiting to see what Zenimax would bring us. Because Tamriel One was a big change, it is understandable people wouldn't complain about the lack of 4Q DLC. They let it slide. It wasn't until Morrowind announcement that we knew for sure that we should expect only 2 DLCs this year, with one of them being just dungeon like Shadow of the Hist. So it wasn't until now we learned about the real devaluation of ESO Plus.

FlaviusVoyage

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

You aren't swindled. At least not by ZOS, maybe yourselves. It's an UPGRADED version the game and you have notice since they do this from time to time. "Tameriel Unlimited" "Imperial Edition" "ESO GOLD" etc.... There just certain things that the membership isn't going to cover and they aren't going to take crowns for. This isn't the first time and won't be the last. The real benfit of ESO plus has ever provided are the bonuses in xp, the craftbag, and the steady flow of crowns so you can keep getting new thingamabobs to ride and make your characters look silly.

You said Morrowind is "an UPGRADED version the game" and "they do this from time to time". But all the upgrade examples you gave are for free or can be purchased with crowns. So no, ZOS doesn't "do this from time to time". This is the first time we learned that new content will not be included in ESO Plus and cannot be purchased with crowns. You have your idea of what the real benefits of ESO Plus are, but don't expect everyone to share your idea, since the following was also a benefit when most people subscribed: "Access to all downloadable content".

old_mufasa

Stopnaggin wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Another question @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror

You specifically mention, in the ESO+ Purchase page, that I will receive ALL Future DLC Content. How will I be receiving ALL of this future DLC Content, when it's locked behind a paywall being Morrowind. You do not exclude additional content via expansions - so legally - I think you have to provide the Morrowind access from a DLC perspective



(Disclaimer - not a lawyer - not have I checked these "new" Additional Requirements that seems to be a recent addition....)

Actually it says all dlc available in the crown store. As this isn't available in the crownstore there is the "out".

Personally I have already pre ordered and still sub, so I don't have a dog in the fight. To me I see a value in ESO+ , and in reality for me $40 isn't all that much, so new content, continued upgrades and patches like 1t and Homestead are why I stay subbed.

Ya and we have linked it prior to this where it said ALL DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT... THEY CHANGED IT DO TO MORROWIND!!

Why is this so hard to understand.. we paid in advance with our subs for ALL DOWNLOADABE CONTENT.. then they bait and switched it.. this is what we as subs are upset about...

This has NOTHING to do with the amount of content that other DLC's had, it has to do with what they advertised to us.. and that they said we as plus members would get DLC every 12 weeks.. it will have been almost a year since any new paid DLC content and then we do get it they want to charge us.. even though for the last year we have paid on avg $180 in sub fees with the understanding that they would honor what they advertised when we started to sub that ALL downloadable content would be included with the sub.

WalkingLegacy

IF Morrowind is a true expansion, what is everyone upset for?

15 bucks a month gets you some decent perks and keeps the game healthy.

A legit expansion has traditionally always cost real money or is ESO everyone's first MMO? This is honestly the first MMO I have seen anyone think their 15 bucks a month nets them a free expansion.

As long as Morrowind is a true expansion with loads to do and explore - a box cost is legit.

Cherryblossom

Skilledzerob14_ESO wrote: »

ChandraNalaar wrote: »

FlaviusVoyage wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

lmao why do ESO+ members who pay a few bucks a month think they're entitled to the world?

Get in line and pay the $40 for the expansion

Because they promised that any additional DLC would be for free. Now, you can just rename it "expansion" to get away with charging more.

This is my concern here. I'm obviously going to get Morrowind, but it's rather unfair that ZOS can decide at whim what falls in the ESO+ boundary and what doesn't. What happens if the dungeon dlc quarter is renamed the "adventurer" expansion, and all adventurer expansions don't count under ESO+ either? I don't think it's the cost of an expansion that is upsetting people, but rather the precedent being set that ZOS can and will change the names of things whenever they like and say it doesn't count for ESO+.

Ok put into perspective how much content is in all of the dlcs they mark as free and how much is added to this expansion. It's even getting a physical copy with extras. Did that happen for the dlcs?

So the way WOW works is that you subscribe and all content patches that fall under their current expansion is free but you have to subscribe and pay for it. New expansion comes out and you have to pay. This is the same concept but you can technically get those content patch if you pay something for their work or you can just subscribe.

@Skilledzerob14_ESO
Your comparison would work if they gave an expansion worthy of WOW, you know their expansions come with loads more zones, loads more Dungeons, few new Raids, new race and class.
This "Expansion" comes with another Wrothgar and a new class and one raid maybe....This is nothing more than Orsinium which is a DLC, ZOS has basically renamed a DLC to get more money.

MadLarkin

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Your comparison would work if they gave an expansion worthy of WOW, you know their expansions come with loads more zones, loads more Dungeons, few new Raids, new race and class.
This "Expansion" comes with another Wrothgar and a new class and one raid maybe....This is nothing more than Orsinium which is a DLC, ZOS has basically renamed a DLC to get more money.

And the class isn't even totally new. I've read a few times that the Warden was present in the game as far back as beta.

WalkingLegacy

MadLarkin wrote: »

Cherryblossom wrote: »

Your comparison would work if they gave an expansion worthy of WOW, you know their expansions come with loads more zones, loads more Dungeons, few new Raids, new race and class.
This "Expansion" comes with another Wrothgar and a new class and one raid maybe....This is nothing more than Orsinium which is a DLC, ZOS has basically renamed a DLC to get more money.

And the class isn't even totally new. I've read a few times that the Warden was present in the game as far back as beta.

It was originally in the game alpha and beta.