Gold armour not worth the gold

Syiccal

I have finally came to the realisation after previously making all my sets gold when I was new to game that it's not worth it.
The difference between a purple set and a gold set is so minimal it's just wasting mats and gold to do it.
I now fully wear purple gear except weapons which I do believe are the only things work making gold.
Will there be a time when gold armour makes a big difference other wise there is just no need to

Alucardo

I hope it never makes a big difference. I could never afford a full set of gold armor. The weapons I can just about do. We're not all filthy rich.

Wollust

It does in endgame PvE.

Syiccal

Yes it's expensive and that's the point I'm making.
You get the gold or mats to do it and the outcome just isn't worth it!

Syiccal

It really doesn't the minimal extra stats you get make minimal difference end game pve can still be done with purple gear

The_Protagonist

As far as I am aware, only Twice Born Star (TBS) with Divine traits is worth improving to gold, all the other sets are best left purple.

Wollust

Syiccal wrote: »

It really doesn't the minimal extra stats you get make minimal difference end game pve can still be done with purple gear

Ofc it can be done. But you don't try to be competitive in unoptimized gear. You'll try to squeeze out everything you can. Even if it's only 1%.

Asardes

I have between 200-350 gold tempers of each type and I'm still not keen on using them for upgrading other sets than the 2 I already have on my stamina DK.

Syiccal

I just think there should be a substantial difference to justify the cost

NewBlacksmurf

I use to think it was going to be awesome but now I've seen time and time again....unless it's gear to level up my character it's not worth it.

I do have some yellows tho but considering how the RNG works for mats, I've moved on and stop at purple.

hrothbern

Syiccal wrote: »

I have finally came to the realisation after previously making all my sets gold when I was new to game that it's not worth it.
The difference between a purple set and a gold set is so minimal it's just wasting mats and gold to do it.
I now fully wear purple gear except weapons which I do believe are the only things work making gold.
Will there be a time when gold armour makes a big difference other wise there is just no need to

For your weapons it does matter that they are Gold and have the best Trait.

For your armor, Gold, Traits and BIS set, matter if you want to squeeze out the last 10% technical performance improvement.
Which assumes already that you have capped CP's. Because that has a far bigger technical performance effect.

Playing skill and raid team organisation has a much, much bigger effect on your overall performance.

Awakatanka

Give gold sets a buff And get those proc sets out of the game.

( I play with proc sets but in pve And pvp you don't realy need then. )

InvitationNotFound

upgraded my armor once to gold. then they introduced vr16 and i had to throw it away...
the small benefit isn't worth it, especially if you have to equip 9 chars and you know exactly you'll have to get new equipment in a few months when they change the whole mechanic again or introduce new sets...

weapons on the other hand are worth the upgrade as the damage increase is pretty good.

Pandorii

I've made this realization too. I find myself too often wanting to change gear sets. Either the BiS gearset changes. I try a new class. I try a new role. I want to try a new build, or I just want to try a new style. Having golded gear (and the minimal returns of deconning them) make me sometimes prefer to keep suboptimal combinations. For example, I continued to use my golded out nirnhoned weapons for a long time, because I couldn't bring myself to deconning them or trying to replace them with gold sharpened weapons.

Eventually, I took the dive, and I deconned a bunch of suboptimal gold gear (like Kags - not really used much anymore and Pelinal - because hybrid really died and won't be ressurected). Now, I only commit to making purple gear with purple glyphs, and I'll save my gold tempers for the day when I'm ready to settle down with a build and character.

I do monstly solo-play and baby dungeons for keys or undaunted, anyway. I've been a lot more at ease with my resources ever since I made that decision.

Syiccal

That's a good point as well sets are added so frequently it's just doesn't make sense to make a set gold unless it's really worth it.

Enslaved

When some armor set is doing good for you and your team, it is a matter of courtesy to gold it, especially if you are DD. Your team is depending on how much damage you can provide, and even a slight improvement in stats can be crucial at some point.

If you are doing just public normal stuff, go green, no one will care, since we do not have inspect option to see what other ppl wear.

No matter what u choose to do, you would be a true masochist not to gold all your weapons and shields.

Bandit1215

It's not like it's hard to make a lot of money, especially this patch. Farm dolmens, sell the trash gear to merchant's and if you get a good set piece or purple jewlerry, sell them for big bucks. I made 125k in like 6 hours.

Mojmir

Still using purple armor from forever ago,gold weps. I've completed everything I've wanted to in the game.

Morbash

This is why I only upgrade my weapons to gold. But don't tell ZOS, they'll make it imperative that we upgrade our armour too.

Syiccal wrote: »

I just think there should be a substantial difference to justify the cost

No, please just no. If gold mats are expensive now, what do you think will happen if it becomes a necessity to upgrade your armour too? If the stat difference between purple and gold gear is increased, then the drop rate for gold mats needs to be increased as well. They're far too expensive, mainly tempering alloys. Dreugh wax, rosin and kuta seem to be in a good spot, at least on PC NA. Not sure what it's like on the other platforms.

Mettaricana

I teally just wish zos would reduce the amount needed I mean look how it goes
2 honing > 3 oil > 4 grain solvent > 8 tempering!?

Replace 8 with 5 needed

2> 3> 4> 5! Just sounds better makes tempers a bit less hellish given they keep reducing drop rates of them every patch...

Glamdring

7 divines golded armour gives 7% buff to your mundus, thats alot +extra armour +buff to enchant.

Syiccal

It's not massive it really isnt

Morbash

Mettaricana wrote: »

I teally just wish zos would reduce the amount needed I mean look how it goes
2 honing > 3 oil > 4 grain solvent > 8 tempering!?

Replace 8 with 5 needed

2> 3> 4> 5! Just sounds better makes tempers a bit less hellish given they keep reducing drop rates of them every patch...

This.

InvitationNotFound

Mettaricana wrote: »

I teally just wish zos would reduce the amount needed I mean look how it goes
2 honing > 3 oil > 4 grain solvent > 8 tempering!?

Replace 8 with 5 needed

2> 3> 4> 5! Just sounds better makes tempers a bit less hellish given they keep reducing drop rates of them every patch...

I actually don't see a single reason why there should be an increase in mats at all...

idk

Syiccal wrote: »

I have finally came to the realisation after previously making all my sets gold when I was new to game that it's not worth it.
The difference between a purple set and a gold set is so minimal it's just wasting mats and gold to do it.
I now fully wear purple gear except weapons which I do believe are the only things work making gold.
Will there be a time when gold armour makes a big difference other wise there is just no need to

@Syiccal

Gold up grading, by design, is obviously intended to be more costly for the return. Costing double the amount and the resource is clearly more rare and the upgrade is the same increase we gain from blue to purple, clearly.

Of course, for trial progression groups they want every edge and therefore it can be beneficial to have the group in gold gear. Of course, not everyone is interested in progression and that is fine.

Weapons are a different story at CP160. But I expect you already figured that out.

Edit: and the number of matts required to upgrade gear to gold should stay the same. Zos has the right design for this from the start. It should not be common to have gold gear.

Syiccal

I have no issues with it being 8 mats for gold I have made all my previous sets gold (alot of them) but won't be making current or future sets gold as don't see the point. Weapons are the only items worth golding.

code65536

Wollust wrote: »

It does in endgame PvE.

LOL. No, it doesn't. Your weapon should always be gold, of course. Enchantment strength should be gold, because that's easy and pretty cheap to do. But the actual gear is just fine as purple. The difference in set bonuses is more or less a rounding error, and losing 1% divines on 7 pieces is almost like a loss of one piece of divines armor, which is about 0.8% crit chance.

That kind of difference isn't even measurable, as it's easily lost in the noise of combat randomness.

Is legendary gear better? Of course. Should you upgrade to legendary if you can afford it? Of course, what else am I going to do with those mats and the millions of in-game gold that I have? Does it make a difference? Nope. But it's shiny and it makes me feel better.

kylewwefan

The guy with 10 stars can't afford legendary gear? You got to lay off the skooma man LOL!

For Hundings and julianos, the difference between 285WD/SD and 300WD/SD. Maybe legendary gear should get a buff...

code65536

kylewwefan wrote: »

The guy with 10 stars can't afford legendary gear? You got to lay off the skooma man LOL!

For Hundings and julianos, the difference between 285WD/SD and 300WD/SD. Maybe legendary gear should get a buff...

It just means he plays the forum game more then the game game.

danno8

Glamdring wrote: »

7 divines golded armour gives 7% buff to your mundus, thats alot +extra armour +buff to enchant.

7% buff to your mundus will be tiny. For example, your crit chance mundus will go from 17.1% to 18.3%. Your enchant can be golded using Kuta glyphs, which I find are much easier to come by than 8 armor glyphs (assuming your item even dropped with the correct scalable enchant of course).

The armor difference adds up to maybe 1% more mitigation for all 7 pieces.

Truly, golding out your armor is only for those who have the money to do so, and for top-tier trial groups, since 12 people squeezing out a few extra % can make a big difference overall. If you are more of a 4 man dungeon person I would say save your money if you are having a hard time affording it.

code65536

danno8 wrote: »

For example, your crit chance mundus will go from 17.1% to 18.3%.

The effect is even smaller than that. It's 7% of the base Mundus effect. So for Thief, whose base effect is 11%, going 7 purple instead of 7 gold will cost you 0.77% crit chance. That margin is so small that you can't even pick it out of the background noise of combat randomness.