Should healing be allowed in duelling?

akl77

Like in dark souls or bloodborn, healing yourself is not polite in PVP.

In my opinion, healer and tanks shouldn't be duelling, only DPS allowed for skills and damage competition, healing yourself back up just means a reset of the fight.

I play as a healer, so my build is high mag regen with low DPS. Did 2 duels yesterday that just ends nowhere after a long fight, cos I just heal myself back up every time, so what's the point? I can't win cos low damage done, opponent can't win cos I'm a sustained healer. Lol.

DocFrost72

External healing is forbidden, so I'm left to assume you mean in a duel healing yourself? In that case I have four words.

The entire templar class.

Mojmir

lol rules?

akl77

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

SirAndy

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Wut? Healing is not right in PvP?

Brutusmax1mus

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

Then it's just a dps race? No, healing is certainly OK.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

Here are the official rules ... whatever the game will let you get away with, do it.

I certainly will.

Stratforge

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

This guy is right healing is actually morally wrong.

RebornV3x

Other

Also using skills and attacking aren't allowed you wouldn't want to scratch my armor now.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Only if you initiated the duel. Your duel your rules. If you accepted from someone else you must wait until they tell you the rules before doing anything. If they don't explain and just attack you then you must use no skills as the rules are clearly set to this.

Johnfred24

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

Sorry i voted for the wrong options. I wanted "other". I strongly believe that duels should be held with words and not with violence. I am always deeply shocked when my counterpart starts attacking me while i am typing a meaningfull argument. That is very impolite and everybody who does it should be ashamed.

DannyLV702

Johnfred24 wrote: »

Sorry i voted for the wrong options. I wanted "other". I strongly believe that duels should be held with words and not with violence. I am always deeply shocked when my counterpart starts attacking me while i am typing a meaningfull argument. That is very impolite and everybody who does it should be ashamed.

Wut

altemriel

healing casted on self is allowed, but noone other can heal you

Rune_Relic

Thats like saying no one should mitigate damage by block/ward ?
All builds have differnet strengths and weakness.
Some heal, some tank, some damage, some cc.
Thats like saying, 'I am going to use two hands but you must have one tied behind your back'.

Strider_Roshin

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

This post made me smile. I commend you for asking such a question, but even in dark souls you were allowed to heal yourself if it was due to gear or abilities. You just couldn't use an estus flask; which would be the equivalent of popping a potion, and good luck controlling that.

arkansas_ESO

Healing is allowed, but some will request that neither side use burst heals (Breath of Life, Rally, Healing Ward, etc.) to ensure that the fight doesn't stagnate.

InvitationNotFound

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

lol what the hell is this here?

maybe we should add some rules which disallows other classes to use their abilities because we simply don't like it while that class has to rely on that skill to manage anything at all?

so we have now have to come up with some weird pve dueling rules?

vamp_emily

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

I'm not a dueler, and this is just my opinion.

I think duelers, should be able to use what ever skills they have available. Cloaking, healing, WW, heals, or what every else they choose to use. Unless there is a dueling event that has special rules, but if I use cloak and it is not allowed, then I should be able to pick a skill that my opponent is not allowed to use.

Jimbullbee85

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

I would say that self healing should definately be maintained in our arsenal for duels. Healer builds for instance can't do as much damage as other builds and generally do not have a large health pool. As a healer myself its already touch and go if I win or not, even against lower levels and especially against stamina builds. Removing our self heals would make it impossible for templars and other healers to stand up in a fight against players with much more damage and much larger health bars. It's all about balance.

DHale

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

If you are dueling me then healing is against the "rules". If you are dueling others then it's perfectly fine.

Jimbullbee85

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Anyone who can fully heal themselves is a very good healer. Must have a large magicka pool, good regen and champion points in blessed. But to do this the player will have to wear light armour so is very squishy and will have mediocre damage which balances the duels. So even if you can heal to full health, against a good damage dealer, that health will disappear in seconds unless the player is good and wears their opponents resources down before going in for the kill. Taking away a healers abilty to heal In a duel is basically providing the dps hogs with an easy free meal. Not fair at all in my book.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Anyone who can fully heal themselves is a very good healer. Must have a large magicka pool, good regen and champion points in blessed. But to do this the player will have to wear light armour so is very squishy and will have mediocre damage which balances the duels. So even if you can heal to full health, against a good damage dealer, that health will disappear in seconds unless the player is good and wears their opponents resources down before going in for the kill. Taking away a healers abilty to heal In a duel is basically providing the dps hogs with an easy free meal. Not fair at all in my book.

I like where your head is at but, just so you know, you can be a monster healer in heavy armor nowadays.

Elsonso

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

All healing done should apply to both parties equally.

Jimbullbee85

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Anyone who can fully heal themselves is a very good healer. Must have a large magicka pool, good regen and champion points in blessed. But to do this the player will have to wear light armour so is very squishy and will have mediocre damage which balances the duels. So even if you can heal to full health, against a good damage dealer, that health will disappear in seconds unless the player is good and wears their opponents resources down before going in for the kill. Taking away a healers abilty to heal In a duel is basically providing the dps hogs with an easy free meal. Not fair at all in my book.

I like where your head is at but, just so you know, you can be a monster healer in heavy armor nowadays.

Thanks I've tried that build once. Result was zero damage capabilities. But I may have done it wrong. I tend to swap out my healers gear depending on what he's doing. For groups I use all light armour to maximise heals and damage, for duels I put on some heavy armour for longevity which reduces my damage and heals. Still playing around with it though. Either way my heals define my style of combat so I should be allowed to continue using it.

Ffastyl

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

That custom came about to create a fair fight. In Dark Souls, invaders cannot use Estus, so the host would refrain from it using it to keep the field mechanically even. Other healing methods were significantly slower (easily interrupted) so healing is a rarity in duels.

This tradition has carried over into subsequent games and has been refined to "no consumable healing items." Miracles, pyromancies and weapon arts are OK to heal with during duels. The combat system of FromSoftware also places heavy emphasis on blocking and evading, making negating damage easier than reversing it (healing). ESO is quite the opposite, with damage negation often laughably weak, damage reversal being the only consistent counter to damage (health recovery, HoTs and instantaneous heals).

Rune_Relic

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Anyone who can fully heal themselves is a very good healer. Must have a large magicka pool, good regen and champion points in blessed. But to do this the player will have to wear light armour so is very squishy and will have mediocre damage which balances the duels. So even if you can heal to full health, against a good damage dealer, that health will disappear in seconds unless the player is good and wears their opponents resources down before going in for the kill. Taking away a healers abilty to heal In a duel is basically providing the dps hogs with an easy free meal. Not fair at all in my book.

I like where your head is at but, just so you know, you can be a monster healer in heavy armor nowadays.

Thanks I've tried that build once. Result was zero damage capabilities. But I may have done it wrong. I tend to swap out my healers gear depending on what he's doing. For groups I use all light armour to maximise heals and damage, for duels I put on some heavy armour for longevity which reduces my damage and heals. Still playing around with it though. Either way my heals define my style of combat so I should be allowed to continue using it.

Are you dueling to win a dps competition or are you dueling to win the fight ?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Anyone who can fully heal themselves is a very good healer. Must have a large magicka pool, good regen and champion points in blessed. But to do this the player will have to wear light armour so is very squishy and will have mediocre damage which balances the duels. So even if you can heal to full health, against a good damage dealer, that health will disappear in seconds unless the player is good and wears their opponents resources down before going in for the kill. Taking away a healers abilty to heal In a duel is basically providing the dps hogs with an easy free meal. Not fair at all in my book.

I like where your head is at but, just so you know, you can be a monster healer in heavy armor nowadays.

Thanks I've tried that build once. Result was zero damage capabilities. But I may have done it wrong. I tend to swap out my healers gear depending on what he's doing. For groups I use all light armour to maximise heals and damage, for duels I put on some heavy armour for longevity which reduces my damage and heals. Still playing around with it though. Either way my heals define my style of combat so I should be allowed to continue using it.

I do the following on my magplar.

2 unmatched heavy monster pieces with health bonus and magic enchants
5 julianos
3 will power
2 Magus
64 points into magic
5 heavy, 2 light (mostly infused)
50/50 blue CP split between thurmatauge and elemental expert

I end up with 46.1k of magic and 3.2kish Spell Power after buffs and my resistences are 25 and 23k. Add in a shield and I'm good.

You can do this on a dedicated healer and probably pull 20k breath of lifes if you felt like going that route.

akl77

In my opinion, healer and tanks shouldn't be duelling, only DPS allowed for skills and damage competition, healing yourself back up just means a reset of the fight.

I play as a healer, so my build is high mag regen with low DPS. Did 2 duels yesterday that just ends nowhere after a long fight, cos I just heal myself back up every time, so what's the point? I can't win cos low damage done, opponent can't win cos I'm a sustained healer. Lol.

Kutsuu

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

It's silly to apply arbitrary rules from some other game to this game.

Jimbullbee85

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Anyone who can fully heal themselves is a very good healer. Must have a large magicka pool, good regen and champion points in blessed. But to do this the player will have to wear light armour so is very squishy and will have mediocre damage which balances the duels. So even if you can heal to full health, against a good damage dealer, that health will disappear in seconds unless the player is good and wears their opponents resources down before going in for the kill. Taking away a healers abilty to heal In a duel is basically providing the dps hogs with an easy free meal. Not fair at all in my book.

I like where your head is at but, just so you know, you can be a monster healer in heavy armor nowadays.

Thanks I've tried that build once. Result was zero damage capabilities. But I may have done it wrong. I tend to swap out my healers gear depending on what he's doing. For groups I use all light armour to maximise heals and damage, for duels I put on some heavy armour for longevity which reduces my damage and heals. Still playing around with it though. Either way my heals define my style of combat so I should be allowed to continue using it.

Are you dueling to win a dps competition or are you dueling to win the fight ?

Erm....I guess trying to win a duel by countering incoming damage whilst trying to deal damage. I think thats the general idea.

Jimbullbee85

Yes, both burst heal and heal over time

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I feel like cheating if I heal myself back up with breath of life. Like in dark souls and bloodborn, healing is not polite and not right in PVP.

Anyone who can fully heal themselves is a very good healer. Must have a large magicka pool, good regen and champion points in blessed. But to do this the player will have to wear light armour so is very squishy and will have mediocre damage which balances the duels. So even if you can heal to full health, against a good damage dealer, that health will disappear in seconds unless the player is good and wears their opponents resources down before going in for the kill. Taking away a healers abilty to heal In a duel is basically providing the dps hogs with an easy free meal. Not fair at all in my book.

I like where your head is at but, just so you know, you can be a monster healer in heavy armor nowadays.

Thanks I've tried that build once. Result was zero damage capabilities. But I may have done it wrong. I tend to swap out my healers gear depending on what he's doing. For groups I use all light armour to maximise heals and damage, for duels I put on some heavy armour for longevity which reduces my damage and heals. Still playing around with it though. Either way my heals define my style of combat so I should be allowed to continue using it.

I do the following on my magplar.

2 unmatched heavy monster pieces with health bonus and magic enchants
5 julianos
3 will power
2 Magus
64 points into magic
5 heavy, 2 light (mostly infused)
50/50 blue CP split between thurmatauge and elemental expert

I end up with 46.1k of magic and 3.2kish Spell Power after buffs and my resistences are 25 and 23k. Add in a shield and I'm good.

You can do this on a dedicated healer and probably pull 20k breath of lifes if you felt like going that route.

Thanks for that list of goodies. Gonna take note of this. Over 3k damage is very appealing