Official Discussion Thread for Weapon Ultimates

IxskullzxI

I had a feeling the stam ults would be strong, but this is over the top. It makes me lose any shred of hope I had for ZoS. I don't understand how anyone who has played this game could think these are okay to put on live. I've never been in such disbelief after reading patch notes. This did happen right? I'm not dreaming?

kaithuzar

I was completely fine with the set gear changes, but the ULTS MUST BE CHANGED

Cously

Destro Staff Ultimate sucks, costs a lot, dots sucks for pvp. Please give us a stupid burst for the love of god.

EnOeZ

paulsimonps wrote: »

@ZOS_Day



This ultimate is either not working as intended or has a Tool tip error. It says it ignores all MITIGATION, but what it really does is ignore all RESISTANCE. These words are no synonymous. Blocking will reduce the effect of this attack by the usual 50% also any increase to block mitigation like Defensive Posture or Sword and Board passive or Iron Skin passive will diminish its effectiveness, even Hardy in the Champion point system will reduce its damage. All those things are MITIGATION, and not RESISTANCE, but it will ignore the mitigation caused by the resistance. So either chance the tool tip or change the ultimate.

You're right !
Just imagine the foreign translations, it's just a total mess. But for years, ZOS just doesn't care...
Whatever the trizillions tickets we write.

paulsimonps

@ZOS_Day

The Eye of the Storm seems very interesting to me, now the animation of it and the other morph looks very tame, like someone is throwing ping pong balls at you, only lightning stands out from this and looks F'ing amazing. Now the eye of the storm is kinda cool cause it follows you around, I would really love to have fun as a Lightning based Magicka sorc running around with that and Lightning form just conducting lightning all over the place, I very much look forward to it.

But the other morph of it, Elemental Rage is meh. While it has good Radius its AoE DoT Damage is far less than that of Meteor. Which means that in PvE, the only place it would really be applicable since people would simply move out of it in PvP, its weaker than what we already have and Meteor even has an initial damage hit form the impact, Elemental Rage does not. So it costs more and is weaker than what we already have. Now sure it would hit more potential targets in certain AoE encounters but most Trial groups or even Dungeon groups waste ultimate on trash mobs. And if we do, in situations like Veteran Sanctum Ophidia or Veteran Maw of Lorkhaj, its mostly to quickly burn down the stronger of the adds which would mean that meteor once again comes out on top. So I would suggest to counter balance that Meteor has a nice single target initial hit then a DoT the Elemental Rage should get a stronger DoT and cost less or get an even stronger DoT than my first suggestion.

Father_X_Zombie

I swear are you devs doing bath salts or something? This is F***ing unbelievable, how could anyone think this is remotely balanced? Wtf do you people do with player feedback? By what I'm looking at the exact opposite! PvP balance is already the worst it's ever been and rather then fix it you break it even more by buffing stam and adding 1 magicka DPS ult that is terrible, and don't even get me started on the stam ults. It really seems like your purposefully ruining this game.

I'm legit quitting this game if these remain as they are, and I'm sure I'm not alone. I was so exited for weapon ults and dueling, but with neither matter any more because of the even larger gap between mag and stam. I never would have guessed this game would reach this state, I'm still in disbelief. Please actually listen to the feedback in this thread ZOS.

Doctordarkspawn

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

I swear are you devs doing bath salts or something? This is F***ing unbelievable, how could anyone think this is remotely balanced? Wtf do you people do with player feedback? By what I'm looking at the exact opposite! PvP balance is already the worst it's ever been and rather then fix it you break it even more by buffing stam and adding 1 magicka DPS ult that is terrible, and don't even get me started on the stam ults. It really seems like your purposefully ruining this game.

I'm legit quitting this game if these remain as they are, and I'm sure I'm not alone. I was so exited for weapon ults and dueling, but with neither matter any more because of the even larger gap between mag and stam. I never would have guessed this game would reach this state, I'm still in disbelief. Please actually listen to the feedback in this thread ZOS.

Obligatory "can I have your stuff" comment.

But seriously, the one that's definately overpowered is likely going to get nerfed. I think we'll be fine.

...Iiiiif we're not, well, quite frankly it couldn't get much worse than it allready is.

MalaVrazica

Why are you constantly, for the whole past year, buffing stamina and nerfing magicka?! What goes in your design staff meetings? Where is the balance???!! Patch after patch I'm waiting and waiting for so called balance but stamina just gets all the buffs (just look at all the sets, all stam buffs, and almost nothing for magicka) and now with these wep ulties?! Only magicka (other than healing) ulti is complete trash, not better than any class ulti in any pvp/pve situation and is the most expensive one. This patch just proves what I knew for a long time now, there is no real reason to play magicka anymore. Too bad magicka builds are the only one I enjoy and don't wanna be part of the stupid stam/tank meta.

#MakeMagickaGreatAgain

Hiero_Glyph

Even if the damage on 2H isn't all that it still has massive resistance buff, and either the option to use it as an execute or a crazy immovable buff. It's Vicious Ophidian all over again.

Father_X_Zombie

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Father_X_Zombie wrote: »

I swear are you devs doing bath salts or something? This is F***ing unbelievable, how could anyone think this is remotely balanced? Wtf do you people do with player feedback? By what I'm looking at the exact opposite! PvP balance is already the worst it's ever been and rather then fix it you break it even more by buffing stam and adding 1 magicka DPS ult that is terrible, and don't even get me started on the stam ults. It really seems like your purposefully ruining this game.

I'm legit quitting this game if these remain as they are, and I'm sure I'm not alone. I was so exited for weapon ults and dueling, but with neither matter any more because of the even larger gap between mag and stam. I never would have guessed this game would reach this state, I'm still in disbelief. Please actually listen to the feedback in this thread ZOS.

Obligatory "can I have your stuff" comment.

But seriously, the one that's definately overpowered is likely going to get nerfed. I think we'll be fine.

...Iiiiif we're not, well, quite frankly it couldn't get much worse than it allready is.

Sadly that 3rd part is true and I hope the 2nd is

Xsorus

I don't get why people are complaining about the Destruction Staff one; You're all acting like Magicka has no good Ultimates already.

Sorcs have Negate and Overload
Nightblades have access to Soul Tether and Soul Harvest
Templars have access to Solar Storm and and the cheap damage reduction one
DK's have Standard and really Meteor from Mage Line, and the new shield line one is extremely good for them.

SirMewser

I was hoping to come back to the game after One Tamriel hit live but after seeing the PTS I remembered why I left.
All the changes to stamina forced me to play with a certain setup, I just wanted diversity at the time, it's not like I couldn't adapt, things just got boring.

Not a single 9 trait crafting set for magic players with an exclusive 5th piece bonus effect for crafted sets only (why would I craft when drop rates for sets is now 100%? Crafting needs to be looked at).

Sorcs got a full skill line full of toggles with passives that really don't have much to do with daedric summoning, your solution so far was to bring back Necropotence to compensate for underperformance... Great, just great.

Destruction staff is lousy, it's clearly not designed for damage despite the passive bonus to heavy attacks and DoTs, the only utility it has is the 2 elemental effects corresponding to one of the three elements along with 2 debuffs that are found throughout the skill line and one of the morphs for the ultimate, really I only need one skill and I got advantage of 75% of what this entire skill line has to offer. (also thanks for "fixing" lightning staff heavy attacks to only deal AoE on the last hit of its channel).

Why does medium armor get stam cost reduction and regeneration in one passive? Is it a filler, like seriously?

In this update no skill changes were made, that is fine. I think it was a good move not to because of all the new gear, that when this goes live we might see some more sets that are complementary to different playstyles on players that it would give the devs a better idea of what needs to be changed and by what magnitude.

This is PTS, you can do it right.
#MakeMagickaGreatAgain

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Xsorus wrote: »

I don't get why people are complaining about the Destruction Staff one; You're all acting like Magicka has no good Ultimates already.

Sorcs have Negate and Overload
Nightblades have access to Soul Tether and Soul Harvest
Templars have access to Solar Storm and and the cheap damage reduction one
DK's have Standard and really Meteor from Mage Line, and the new shield line one is extremely good for them.

Overload is the only one that with really used out of the ones you mentioned and that is really only for the third bar these days because fire comet is just too good for dps. Every mag PvE dps worth their salt will have fire comet on their front bar. It just is too good not to use. 2% more magic and regen and empower after using it.

Joy_Division

RoyJade wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The restoration ulti looks decently powerful - maybe now you guys can go ahead and delete the Templar Rite of Passage and replace it with something worthwhile? Please?

Rite of passage follow he classic aoe rules : 6 target with full effect and some more wit reduced effect.
The resto ultimate heal 2 people, including the user. It's totally different.

You mentioned this twice, but the pic on the first page says you OR Nearby ally.

SirMewser

RoyJade wrote: »

Rite of passage follow he classic aoe rules : 6 target with full effect and some more wit reduced effect.
The resto ultimate heal 2 people, including the user. It's totally different.

If that were true I would be fine with it, however, it's not.
The skill says "or" not "and".

RoyJade

Ah, perhaps, my bad. Too much work (if I can call it work) in order to resume all the infos to my guild and my forum, translate everything, rand and re-read, I must have missed something here.
Sorry if I give you a false hope.

ClockworkArc

On the flip aide of the argument... There is no doubt in my mind that the destro staff ult is the strongest aoe dps ability in the game. I just dont like expensive ults and eye of the storm should throw down status effects.

zuto40

Nerf the 2h ult, cut it's damage by 2/3rds and the unkillable 8 seconds you get will be fine, buff destro by making it like meteor, except you are the meteor

Xsorus

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I don't get why people are complaining about the Destruction Staff one; You're all acting like Magicka has no good Ultimates already.

Sorcs have Negate and Overload
Nightblades have access to Soul Tether and Soul Harvest
Templars have access to Solar Storm and and the cheap damage reduction one
DK's have Standard and really Meteor from Mage Line, and the new shield line one is extremely good for them.

Overload is the only one that with really used out of the ones you mentioned and that is really only for the third bar these days because fire comet is just too good for dps. Every mag PvE dps worth their salt will have fire comet on their front bar. It just is too good not to use. 2% more magic and regen and empower after using it.

Overload is used by every Sorc in PvP and PvE.
Nightblades use both of the ones I mentioned in PvP
Templars will use the damage reduction one in PvP
DK's use Standard in PvE and PvP

I also forgot Batswarm...also another really good Ult.

Minute_Waltz

sAnn92 wrote: »

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

Just tested the 2h ultimate in pts duel and its garbage basically, hit for 10k and thats it.. Was fighting a mag sorc with shields tho, not sure how it would go against non shield stackers.

Edit: also tried the bow ulti, and couldnt even get the shield down on a mag sorc.. that was quite useless too.. id still prefer dawnbreaker tbh, good damage and keeps the dot up for pressuring.

Someone got rekt

Lol if you had just one shield i might still hit through but yeah I don't think Im getting any resistance buff either from hitting the shield.. So its really designed to hit tanks/non-shield stackers I guess

silky_soft

haha magika, hahaha

SanTii.92

So after some duels, Destro ult is not THAT bad. Still underwhelming for such a high cost

Waffennacht

Im glad I made an alt.

That SnB ult.. omg

Shadesofkin

At this point, the Destruction Ultimate won't replace the currently run ultimates in group play. If it provided a debuff on the target or a buff on the allies that'd be a different story.

Ankael07

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Airyus

Got it. If you want to pvp play Stam or gitgud. Magicka will continue to be ESO hard mode.

I have at least four paragraphs of profane and degrading insults to offer to the entire team involved with this release.

ZOS, for the love of akatosh almighty... Listen to your community. Read and digest this entire thread then reconsider the imbalance being introduced in this patch.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Xsorus wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I don't get why people are complaining about the Destruction Staff one; You're all acting like Magicka has no good Ultimates already.

Sorcs have Negate and Overload
Nightblades have access to Soul Tether and Soul Harvest
Templars have access to Solar Storm and and the cheap damage reduction one
DK's have Standard and really Meteor from Mage Line, and the new shield line one is extremely good for them.

Overload is the only one that with really used out of the ones you mentioned and that is really only for the third bar these days because fire comet is just too good for dps. Every mag PvE dps worth their salt will have fire comet on their front bar. It just is too good not to use. 2% more magic and regen and empower after using it.

Overload is used by every Sorc in PvP and PvE.
Nightblades use both of the ones I mentioned in PvP
Templars will use the damage reduction one in PvP
DK's use Standard in PvE and PvP

I also forgot Batswarm...also another really good Ult.

I don't know about PvP so much but fire comet with outperform all the other ultimates you mention in PvE. Except for overload and even then the best way to use that is with the fire comet with the last of the ultimate you have.

NBrookus

Omgwtfbbq321 wrote: »

Gather magcika users... Do you feel it in the air? Dark times are approaching...

No, not really. There are a lot of other games to play.

jcaceresw

smacx250 wrote: »

Took a quick look on a character with ~35K magicka:

If you are magicka, why the stamina ultimates like the bow one are so OP (40k). Maybe you were using the armor set that makes all stam and magicka equal?

jcaceresw

smacx250 wrote: »

Took a quick look on a character with ~35K magicka:

If you are magicka, why the stamina ultimates like the bow one are so OP (40k). Maybe you were using the armor set that makes all stam and magicka equal?