Official Discussion Thread for Weapon Ultimates

paulsimonps

Rugz_Maulgoth wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

What do you mean? It blocks 50% of all incoming damage for 7s without using up your stamina and at the same time you can heavy attack to regain stamina, and as a DK using it whenever it procs also of course activates Battle Roar. One of the morphs reflect all incoming hits that are blocked during its time period and will be very useful in PvP I would say, especially for non-DK's. And the other one makes all of your One Hand and Shield Abilities cost nothing for the duration. I look forward to using this ultimate.

Oh and it counts as blocking so it will apply all block increase mitigation such as Defensive Posture or Sword and Board.

The duration varies between picutres and what I see ingame, so, 5-7 seconds.

I think it needs a bigger duration for what it is. Again, if you need that ult, five seconds is probs not enough (Considering one or two seconds is eaten by the animation). Ten, maybe twelve might be better. And lets be honest, a purely defensive ultimate like that wouldn't need a much higher cost to compensate.

They couldn't make it last longer.

It only costs 80 ultimate and everybody is already running Tava's and whatever.

I saw some math awhile ago and apparently DK tanks can already generate 9.7 ult/sec. If the SnB ult lasted longer it would completely ruin the game.

It costs 100 Ultimate without Ultimate cost reduction.

RoyJade

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Okay. Even then the cost reduction is a better deal, for pve. But I still think it needs a buffed duration.

No, really no. More duration but with more cost. Having an enemy semi-dps being able to reduce 78% of incoming damage while being immune to all control effect but disorient and fear half the time is already far too much. In pve you get 3 regen tick and 2 HA regen tick, is already enough. You can even rez a friend with a good timing.

Solariken wrote: »

Agreed @RoyJade, it is totally different, but IMO Rite of Passage was already inferior to Barrier as a reactionary group survivability tool (and doesn't root the user), and now Resto has a cheap-ish single target bomb heal. I see RoP as even more obsolete than before.

Some optimized raid use Rite of Passage for though phase in vet raid already, and even more in pvp. It's still the best burst group heal in the game, situational but not obsolete. The main problem is that Nova's damage reduction is far better while spamming sources.

SirMewser

Mix wrote: »

Destruction Staff Ultimate: Elemental Rage

Is the Lightning version supposed to have 12m radius and 12 second duration whereas the Cold and Flame ones have 10 m radius and 10 second durations?

The duration, yes.
The size, nope. o-o

Doctordarkspawn

Rugz_Maulgoth wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

What do you mean? It blocks 50% of all incoming damage for 7s without using up your stamina and at the same time you can heavy attack to regain stamina, and as a DK using it whenever it procs also of course activates Battle Roar. One of the morphs reflect all incoming hits that are blocked during its time period and will be very useful in PvP I would say, especially for non-DK's. And the other one makes all of your One Hand and Shield Abilities cost nothing for the duration. I look forward to using this ultimate.

Oh and it counts as blocking so it will apply all block increase mitigation such as Defensive Posture or Sword and Board.

The duration varies between picutres and what I see ingame, so, 5-7 seconds.

I think it needs a bigger duration for what it is. Again, if you need that ult, five seconds is probs not enough (Considering one or two seconds is eaten by the animation). Ten, maybe twelve might be better. And lets be honest, a purely defensive ultimate like that wouldn't need a much higher cost to compensate.

They couldn't make it last longer.

It only costs 80 ultimate and everybody is already running Tava's and whatever.

I saw some math awhile ago and apparently DK tanks can already generate 9.7 ult/sec. If the SnB ult lasted longer it would completely ruin the game.

It actually costs more for those without cost reducs.

Tell me, how is it going to ruin the game? It's not like the twohanded ult that is completely disreguarding resistances, it's not healing you, and even a ten second duration is likely going to be negateable in PVP. Under what circusmtances does this ruin the game?

A ten second duration isn't going to make the people using it in PVP any -more- surviveable than they would permablocking.

Minute_Waltz

Just tested the 2h ultimate in pts duel and its garbage basically, hit for 10k and thats it.. Was fighting a mag sorc with shields tho, not sure how it would go against non shield stackers.

Edit: also tried the bow ulti, and couldnt even get the shield down on a mag sorc.. that was quite useless too.. id still prefer dawnbreaker tbh, good damage and keeps the dot up for pressuring.

ClockworkArc

paulsimonps wrote: »

Rugz_Maulgoth wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

What do you mean? It blocks 50% of all incoming damage for 7s without using up your stamina and at the same time you can heavy attack to regain stamina, and as a DK using it whenever it procs also of course activates Battle Roar. One of the morphs reflect all incoming hits that are blocked during its time period and will be very useful in PvP I would say, especially for non-DK's. And the other one makes all of your One Hand and Shield Abilities cost nothing for the duration. I look forward to using this ultimate.

Oh and it counts as blocking so it will apply all block increase mitigation such as Defensive Posture or Sword and Board.

The duration varies between picutres and what I see ingame, so, 5-7 seconds.

I think it needs a bigger duration for what it is. Again, if you need that ult, five seconds is probs not enough (Considering one or two seconds is eaten by the animation). Ten, maybe twelve might be better. And lets be honest, a purely defensive ultimate like that wouldn't need a much higher cost to compensate.

They couldn't make it last longer.

It only costs 80 ultimate and everybody is already running Tava's and whatever.

I saw some math awhile ago and apparently DK tanks can already generate 9.7 ult/sec. If the SnB ult lasted longer it would completely ruin the game.

It costs 100 Ultimate without Ultimate cost reduction.

Right...haha

Essiaga

FFS ... there is a reason NOT to play a stamina character. Exactly what I expected though. Stam options, magicka crap.

2 hander looks ridiculous. Why not give it major force AND major Protection while you're at it. Make casting it give you AP.

Destro looks stupid. It seriously looks like another form of bats. I'd prefer a magicka CP scaling Dawn Breaker. Whats is the 2 seconds? time for players to move away or counter it?

Whats the radius on the Resto Staff? Or will it heal the entire dungeon or all of Cyro?

kaithuzar

The destro staff ult is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE!
There are effectively 3 different weapon skill lines for weapon damage, 1 hand & shield, two hand, & bow.
Magicka DPS gets 1 weapon ult & it's terrible in comparison!
The cost is too high, you get nothing back after using it, damage over time is NOT USEFUL AT ALL in PVP.
Make it an AOE HEAL DEBUFF or something!
The 2 hander ult is WAYYYYY TOOO OP!!!!!!!!!!!!

xXTriggerXx

Just make a new dw ulti for magicka Users pls!!!

kaithuzar

There's going to be a ton of aids builds
master sword + 1hand & shield ult + stam dk

kaithuzar

Why not magicka & stamina morphs for weapon ults!?!?!

ClockworkArc

kaithuzar wrote: »

There's going to be a ton of aids builds
master sword + 1hand & shield ult + stam dk

Don't forget your shrouded armor + Knight-Errant too!

EnOeZ

2H Ultimate can miss on a roll dodging target, contrary to Radiant Destruction and does not do as much damage....
It is good in PVE however.

S/B Ult, I wonder which ultimate takes precedence : Meteor or This. I wish we could reflect meteor again.

Both are interesting and well priced and at least can compare to Incapacitating Strike even if they cost much more.

I feel for once all ultimate are good, even destro but price of targeted ultimates should be halved wit battle spirit since everyone know how to dodge roll now (like from DK Banner).

Xsorus

Sharee wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

OK, if the post above with the pics is any indication, that S&B ult is way to OP. I could keep probably 60-70% up-time on it, imagine what good tanks could do. Ult needs to be ~200 for something like that.

Really? It seems kinda underwhelming to me.

I mean, an ULTIMATE, and the only effect is that it basically saves you some stamina every now and then. And the more block cost reduction you have, the worse the ultimate is(because it saves less stamina).

On the plus side you can now use Reverb Bash for free

*grin*

GreenSoup2HoT

Can someone please make a video showcasing the Bow Ultimate with the Turret and the Duel Wield Ultimate against some add's?

Thanks.

Xsorus

That 1HS one with no Stamina Cost on 1hd shields will be used by virtually every Stam DK i think.

Being able to Spam Heroic Slash/Light Attack/Bash during Cooldown of that for virtually nothing is going to be Beast Mode.

Flaminir

I cannot even fathom how somebody who does this for a living can come up with these kind of design & balance choices...

I mean seriously... this is their job... its what they do..

How can it be SO badly unbalanced?

It was always going to be stamina biased.. .I mean they have 4 weapons compared to the two magicka choices so were bound to get a better choice... but even more reason to ensure that the magicka options were at least competitive!

The only shred of comfort I have is that surely they can't let these go live in that state.

Can they?

Hiero_Glyph

Flaminir wrote: »

I cannot even fathom how somebody who does this for a living can come up with these kind of design & balance choices...

I mean seriously... this is their job... its what they do..

How can it be SO badly unbalanced?

It was always going to be stamina biased.. .I mean they have 4 weapons compared to the two magicka choices so were bound to get a better choice... but even more reason to ensure that the magicka options were at least competitive!

The only shred of comfort I have is that surely they can't let these go live in that state.

Can they?

"Stupid is as stupid does."

Omgwtfbbq321

Gather magcika users... Do you feel it in the air? Dark times are approaching...

Doctordarkspawn

Flaminir wrote: »

I cannot even fathom how somebody who does this for a living can come up with these kind of design & balance choices...

I mean seriously... this is their job... its what they do..

How can it be SO badly unbalanced?

It was always going to be stamina biased.. .I mean they have 4 weapons compared to the two magicka choices so were bound to get a better choice... but even more reason to ensure that the magicka options were at least competitive!

The only shred of comfort I have is that surely they can't let these go live in that state.

Can they?

They can. They likely will.

Rex-Umbra

DW and 2Hand look OP no surprise:(

luen79rwb17_ESO

Totally dissapointed with the destro ultimate, it's expensive and feels totally bland... Stamina ultimates have so much utility on the other hand.

Frost and lightning staves... Still almost useless in Update 12! Omg when will this change?!

Hiero_Glyph

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Totally dissapointed with the destro ultimate, it's expensive and feels totally bland... Stamina ultimates have so much utility on the other hand.

Frost and lightning staves... Still almost useless in Update 12! Omg when will this change?!

No ETA.

AGrz5585

Do you have to have say a 2h equipped to use that ultimate? Or can I use the dw one with a 2h weapon if I have dw leveled to 50?

psychotic13

AGrz5585 wrote: »

Do you have to have say a 2h equipped to use that ultimate? Or can I use the dw one with a 2h weapon if I have dw leveled to 50?

I'd assume you need the weapon that is equip, like all weapon abilities.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

Five seconds of block. It's nice for a very intense battle but bottom line if your going to need that, your allready on your last legs.

Needs buffed to a suitable duration IMO.

Well it's more spell ward is basically dragon scales so isn't all to bad.

If you dont PVP that does bugger all for you.

I dont PVP.

Uh there are alot if NPCs and bosses whos spells can be reflect.

Okay. Even then the cost reduction is a better deal, for pve. But I still think it needs a buffed duration.

Well yea no question there... maybe 8 seconds ?

Xsorus

I don't think people realize how powerful the 1hd/Shield one is going to be for burst with certain sets

I'm already looking at a set right now that was changed that's going to be silly as hell with that Ultimate lol

Doctordarkspawn

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

Five seconds of block. It's nice for a very intense battle but bottom line if your going to need that, your allready on your last legs.

Needs buffed to a suitable duration IMO.

Well it's more spell ward is basically dragon scales so isn't all to bad.

If you dont PVP that does bugger all for you.

I dont PVP.

Uh there are alot if NPCs and bosses whos spells can be reflect.

Okay. Even then the cost reduction is a better deal, for pve. But I still think it needs a buffed duration.

Well yea no question there... maybe 8 seconds ?

Eight I'd say would be suitable enough. S'not long enough to seriously prolong your life and is good enough for a safety net. Maybe add 10 to the ulti cost to account for reducs, and call it square, I could live with that.

Solariken

Spitballing some new ideas for destro -

150 ultimate cost please!

Shock - chain lightning that hits the primary target for X damage. Jumps to up to 6 nearby targets and deals X% additional damage. All affected targets are concussed for 8 seconds. Cannot be dodged.

Fire - places an incendiary bomb on the target that deals X damage per second for 4 seconds and then explodes for X AoE damage to all enemies within X meters. Damage is increased based on number of targets hit. All affected targets receive the Burning status effect. (basically fiery modified Magicka Det)

Ice - hurls a bolt of ice at the primary target that explodes for X AoE damage on impact and encases the target and all targets within X meters in ice. All affected targets receive the Chilled status effect. (basically and AoE Fossilize).

SanTii.92

Minute_Waltz wrote: »

Just tested the 2h ultimate in pts duel and its garbage basically, hit for 10k and thats it.. Was fighting a mag sorc with shields tho, not sure how it would go against non shield stackers.

Edit: also tried the bow ulti, and couldnt even get the shield down on a mag sorc.. that was quite useless too.. id still prefer dawnbreaker tbh, good damage and keeps the dot up for pressuring.

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