Official Discussion Thread for Weapon Ultimates

RobboEU

Does anyone have videos of the ults?

On console so can't play/ view them!

Tonnopesce

The bow ultimate as a sort of delay on cast and is pretty weird, maybe is only because i play from europe.
Can somebody confirm that is only latency?

RoyJade

Tonnopesce wrote: »

The bow ultimate as a sort of delay on cast and is pretty weird, maybe is only because i play from europe.
Can somebody confirm that is only latency?

You speak about the pre-incantation time ? The canalized time is 4,4 second, the damaging time is 3,3, like soul assault.

Izaki

Darlon wrote: »

look at the destro one... 3.7k every sec for 10 secs.... with a 10m radius.... ouch..

Pretty much like Liquid Lightning but for 250 ult. @ZOS_GinaBruno Please change the destruction staff ultimate. Its just not worth it at all. Meteor is still far better.

Tonnopesce

RoyJade wrote: »

Tonnopesce wrote: »

The bow ultimate as a sort of delay on cast and is pretty weird, maybe is only because i play from europe.
Can somebody confirm that is only latency?

You speak about the pre-incantation time ? The canalized time is 4,4 second, the damaging time is 3,3, like soul assault.

Ok ty so is like this, weird...

But the damage is very nice and the skill works great Since you can still move at full speed while casting

ADarklore

I'm just wondering how many people who currently use Flawless Dawnbreaker will give up the increased damage passive and take one of these new Ultimates? I think I'd rather do more damage throughout my entire gameplay than have an Ultimate that I rarely use but causes me to lose more damage throughout.

I'm also betting the 2H 'entire cost return' gets changed before it goes Live... just like they scrapped giving Khajiit the Stamina buff in racial passives; too much PTS outcry will get it 'fixed'.

RoyJade

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm just wondering how many people who currently use Flawless Dawnbreaker will give up the increased damage passive and take one of these new Ultimates? I think I'd rather do more damage throughout my entire gameplay than have an Ultimate that I rarely use but causes me to lose more damage throughout.

I'm also betting the 2H 'entire cost return' gets changed before it goes Live... just like they scrapped giving Khajiit the Stamina buff in racial passives; too much PTS outcry will get it 'fixed'.

Those who using Flawless will just take the bow turret on the second bar, I suppose. But most people use DBoS, because the bonus damage and CC is far better than the bonus weapon damage, even for pure dps.

Tonnopesce

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm just wondering how many people who currently use Flawless Dawnbreaker will give up the increased damage passive and take one of these new Ultimates? I think I'd rather do more damage throughout my entire gameplay than have an Ultimate that I rarely use but causes me to lose more damage throughout.

I'm also betting the 2H 'entire cost return' gets changed before it goes Live... just like they scrapped giving Khajiit the Stamina buff in racial passives; too much PTS outcry will get it 'fixed'.

As a bow lover a phisical ranged "execute" is very nice especially on my stamplar where i cant choose between a lot of ultimates

ADarklore

RoyJade wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

I'm just wondering how many people who currently use Flawless Dawnbreaker will give up the increased damage passive and take one of these new Ultimates? I think I'd rather do more damage throughout my entire gameplay than have an Ultimate that I rarely use but causes me to lose more damage throughout.

I'm also betting the 2H 'entire cost return' gets changed before it goes Live... just like they scrapped giving Khajiit the Stamina buff in racial passives; too much PTS outcry will get it 'fixed'.

Those who using Flawless will just take the bow turret on the second bar, I suppose. But most people use DBoS, because the bonus damage and CC is far better than the bonus weapon damage, even for pure dps.

That may be, but for how I play as a solo quester, I rarely EVER use an Ultimate... I never need to. The only times I even use FD is against Group Bosses, otherwise, the passive increased weapon damage benefits me with all my attacks without needing to rely on the Ultimate.

Xsorus

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I don't get why people are complaining about the Destruction Staff one; You're all acting like Magicka has no good Ultimates already.

Sorcs have Negate and Overload
Nightblades have access to Soul Tether and Soul Harvest
Templars have access to Solar Storm and and the cheap damage reduction one
DK's have Standard and really Meteor from Mage Line, and the new shield line one is extremely good for them.

Maybe because you´re not as smart as you think you are.

You explain yourself that the destro one is basically redundant bc every class already has options that fill the same role (better) that the destro one tries to fill.
If you can´t see a reason to complain about that idk either.

I'm not saying it's redundant; I'm saying the whining about it is acting like its the only magicka ult in the game worth anything when you have a slew of good ones as magicka users.

And I can guarantee in 2 months time after the patch goes live everyone will be whining about said ult and how it should be nerfed... And I'm going to happy link it back to this thread and the whines *grin*

Sure. Because it´s so bad atm that it will most likely get changed.

I think it'll probably be changed simply because of the whining; I mean it isn't great in PvE, and it sucks for Solo PvP.

But like most AOE's you stack of enough of it, its going to be annoying...Its a 12 meter radius PBAE basically....It's going to get stacked....If they up its damage even more so.

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

There's a reason you literally never see DK standard in pvp... destro ult is gonna have exactly the same fate unless people feel like rping as a storm caller or some bollocks

Absolute trash gg wp

Umm standard is used in pvp quite a bit; its used less against organized groups for the obvious reason of negate. But against unorganized pugs it's used quite a bit.

Don't know what game you're playing but I probably see it used like once for every 10 hours of play time

Depends on what you're doing out in PvP, If you're solo usually you won't see it...Magicka Dks will run it in groups though because of its Area Denial and Synergy Capability.


I mean ***..you can go to the first page of the PvP forums and see a video of them running it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=P4sQ9523AOs

RoyJade

Xsorus wrote: »

I think it'll probably be changed simply because of the whining; I mean it isn't great in PvE, and it sucks for Solo PvP.

But like most AOE's you stack of enough of it, its going to be annoying...Its a 12 meter radius PBAE basically....It's going to get stacked....If they up its damage even more so.

It won't be stacked. Or very rarely. You don't stack nova, veil or standard because you'll likely take a negate on your stack. Same here, except that this ultimate cost more and does less damage.

Apherius

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

DW and 2Hand look OP no surprise:(

and bow man , did you see the " 42K " ?

BUT d'ont forgot staff ultimate ! 3K aoe for only 200 + ultimate , yeahhh , BB magicka , i reroll stam , and THANK zenimax

ELDER STAMINA ONLINE : PAMPER UNLIMITED

RoyJade

Apherius wrote: »

and bow man , did you see the " 42K " ?

BUT d'ont forgot staff ultimate ! 3K aoe for only 200 + ultimate , yeahhh , BB magicka , i reroll stam , and THANK zenimax

ELDER STAMINA ONLINE : PAMPER UNLIMITED

42k in 3,3 second, exactly what soul assault does actually. But soul assault is bad due to his mechanism.

On the staff ultimate, it have wonderful effect and FX ! Best ultimate ever ! It's beautiful and, and… and it's really beautiful ! Nothing else matter !
… a least I already have all stamina classes, seem I'll forget my mag class even more.

smacx250

jcaceresw wrote: »

smacx250 wrote: »

Took a quick look on a character with ~35K magicka:

If you are magicka, why the stamina ultimates like the bow one are so OP (40k). Maybe you were using the armor set that makes all stam and magicka equal?

Nope - and only about 12K stam and very low weapon dmg. As I posted elsewhere, I thought maybe all the ults were scaling on your highest stat - but I was told that wasn't the case.

Xsorus

RoyJade wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I think it'll probably be changed simply because of the whining; I mean it isn't great in PvE, and it sucks for Solo PvP.

But like most AOE's you stack of enough of it, its going to be annoying...Its a 12 meter radius PBAE basically....It's going to get stacked....If they up its damage even more so.

It won't be stacked. Or very rarely. You don't stack nova, veil or standard because you'll likely take a negate on your stack. Same here, except that this ultimate cost more and does less damage.

While it is true Negate will hit them just like every other build its also a lot harder to hit this setup simply because one of the morphs centers it on the caster and follows the caster around. I think it'll be used simply because of that. It'll most certainly be used on Pushes.

Derra

Xsorus wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I think it'll probably be changed simply because of the whining; I mean it isn't great in PvE, and it sucks for Solo PvP.

But like most AOE's you stack of enough of it, its going to be annoying...Its a 12 meter radius PBAE basically....It's going to get stacked....If they up its damage even more so.

It won't be stacked. Or very rarely. You don't stack nova, veil or standard because you'll likely take a negate on your stack. Same here, except that this ultimate cost more and does less damage.

While it is true Negate will hit them just like every other build its also a lot harder to hit this setup simply because one of the morphs centers it on the caster and follows the caster around. I think it'll be used simply because of that. It'll most certainly be used on Pushes.

Healing bats is better for pushes. Also the 12m radius is only for the fixed position morph of lightning staff. Bats offer more defense with the same dmg and 40% less cost at 50% less duration. Meteor offers more offensive potential at 30 to 70% less cost depending on targets hit.

The point is: Magica does not need another aoe ultimate for whatever purpose. It already has those. Plenty for every imaginable scenario.
They either have to make it better than it´s competitors in one aspect (it does the same (within 10%) dmg as negate atm which is hilarious considering negates "secondary" effects) - utility or dmg - or it won´t be used.

I personally don´t think an ultimate offering more aoe dmg than meteor or bats for magica would do the game any good.

The only use i see personally is frost version + woe frost which will permaroot everyone in it for the duration. I´d still prefer a negate, nova or veil.

IxskullzxI

It's one thing the 2h ult ignores armor, but giving it to the caster is way too much. And for 8 seconds? Pretty sure people are going to be able to have really high uptime on this. For how cheap it is, it does WAY too much. And a morph gives immovable? Just wow. Chain this with immovable pot and enjoy your week of cc immunity while you insta gib everyone with your 40k resist. Physical penetration and damage is already super high. I'm so glad the only magicka ult we get is with a destro staff. Do they know not every magicka user uses a destro? Do they know not every sword and board user is a tank? Play how you want my nuts. @Wrobel WTB your bath salts.

Humatiel

They either have to make it better than it´s competitors in one aspect (it does the same (within 10%) dmg as negate atm which is hilarious considering negates "secondary" effects) - utility or dmg - or it won´t be used.

This says about all that's needed, they've created an ult that is sub-par to the second string ults we already have. Unless this turns into a 50 cost ult that recovers X for each enemy hit etc etc "aka use on every mob/zerg" it will be wasted dev time.

SorataArisugawa

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Weapon Ultimates. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• What’s your favorite Weapon Ultimate, and why?
• Are there any Weapon Ultimates that you’d like to see more powerful? Which one, and what would you like to see changed?
• Are you considering using any of these new Ultimates in place of your current Ultimate? If so, why?
• Do you have any other general feedback?

1.
I like the destro staff ultimate by design. Like the visuals! The

2.
The destro staff DMG ist far to low and the costs are way to high. Furthermore the elmental buffs of the first morphs should be already in the base version. The ulti needs some sicnificant buff in DMG. And I am talking about at least 50% more. Fruther it should get lot more DMG for the first ticks which decline each second to a still high value at the end. Costs of the changed ulti: 200 not more...

3.
If you change the ulti in this way I would switch it with overload in PVE. Would like to be more the thunder mage with this.

4.
The chracter animations of the destro and heal staff ulti is very poorly. You should adress this an make it look like the weapon uses a lot of power and the user could hardly controle this. Especially if you give it a time delay like in the one morph of the destro staff. Let the character hit the ground with it in element or light shine or somehing like this.

The bow ulty should fire in a straight line with more visuals, which indicates how fast the arrows flow.

The 2h ulti seems to be extreme in PVP...

zyk

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• Do you have any other general feedback?

Fire Wrobel.

Voxicity

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I don't get why people are complaining about the Destruction Staff one; You're all acting like Magicka has no good Ultimates already.

Sorcs have Negate and Overload
Nightblades have access to Soul Tether and Soul Harvest
Templars have access to Solar Storm and and the cheap damage reduction one
DK's have Standard and really Meteor from Mage Line, and the new shield line one is extremely good for them.

Maybe because you´re not as smart as you think you are.

You explain yourself that the destro one is basically redundant bc every class already has options that fill the same role (better) that the destro one tries to fill.
If you can´t see a reason to complain about that idk either.

I'm not saying it's redundant; I'm saying the whining about it is acting like its the only magicka ult in the game worth anything when you have a slew of good ones as magicka users.

And I can guarantee in 2 months time after the patch goes live everyone will be whining about said ult and how it should be nerfed... And I'm going to happy link it back to this thread and the whines *grin*

Sure. Because it´s so bad atm that it will most likely get changed.

I think it'll probably be changed simply because of the whining; I mean it isn't great in PvE, and it sucks for Solo PvP.

But like most AOE's you stack of enough of it, its going to be annoying...Its a 12 meter radius PBAE basically....It's going to get stacked....If they up its damage even more so.

KaiVox22 wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

KaiVox22 wrote: »

There's a reason you literally never see DK standard in pvp... destro ult is gonna have exactly the same fate unless people feel like rping as a storm caller or some bollocks

Absolute trash gg wp

Umm standard is used in pvp quite a bit; its used less against organized groups for the obvious reason of negate. But against unorganized pugs it's used quite a bit.

Don't know what game you're playing but I probably see it used like once for every 10 hours of play time

Depends on what you're doing out in PvP, If you're solo usually you won't see it...Magicka Dks will run it in groups though because of its Area Denial and Synergy Capability.


I mean ***..you can go to the first page of the PvP forums and see a video of them running it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=P4sQ9523AOs

Well yeah, my idea of pvp wasn't 1vXing a billion noobs in an event through a choke point.

What I'm saying is it's far more situational than dawnbreaker or meteor that can be used in pretty much any situation. The new weapon ults mirror this. Destro could be nice in group play at choke points. All others will be great in group play, solo play, mindless zerg play, anything.

Edit: Then again now I think about it more, the morph that follows you could be used in a lot of different situations and could be useful in itself.

Sharee

Just fyi, the 1h/shield ultimate does not provide CC immunity like normal block does, and worse, it disables normal blocking for the duration, so you are at the mercy of every CC flying your way. That ult is a giant "cc me now" sign.

I sure hope this isn't intended.

Joy_Division

There is a lot of commentary on how lackluster the Destro ult is - and for good reason. If I want to use an overly expensive large AoE DOT, I most certainly will be using standard, veil, negate, and Nova because they have other important functions besides damage.

There is not enough discussion on how bad the resto staff ultimate. If I am reading the description correctly, only ONE person gets that heal and the buff. It is not replacing warhorn, it doesn't provided nearly as much healing as the Templar ultimate (which is itself not very good), and is something that would not help complete a Raid or Trial faster. Also, who is going to take the Life giver morph? While that at least has the virtue of healing more than one person, it still isn't as good at the templar ultimate and people are going to take Light's Champion morph because the healing provided is poor and the buffs are the only thing valuable about the ultimate in the first place.

Shadesofkin

The more I think about it the more I would like to see a synergy on the Destruction Ultimate. I have no problem with the damage, I think that's fine, but we need a synergy that gives players something. Let them get buffed, do extra damage, etc etc. Without a synergy this ult will always be a waste of a skill slot.

Pandorii

Please consider a morph in the DW skill line for magicka users. As it stands, it is still beneficial to run DW in some builds over Destro, considering how no destro skills were changed this patch.

Additionally, the current system gives stamina users 3 choice (DW, 2H, and Bow) while only giving 1to magicka dps (Destro). One is a very scary number because it creates no build diversity.

If DW was used by magicka types unintentionally (by your design) consider adding a new weapon for magicka users that allow them to have the additional set piece bonus that stamina users can get from DW.

Cronopoly

If this download ever gets past 20% I'd like to test Destro...sigh.

If I have time I'll test both magicka DK and Sorcerer to see how well it synergizes with existing class abilities.

I'll test AOE in Old Orsinium with Fire, Frost, and Lightning.
New Ultimate plus:

• Sorcerer / Dragon Knight
• Wall of Elements,
• Liquid Lightning / Inhale
• Impulse etc

susmitds

Sharee wrote: »

Just fyi, the 1h/shield ultimate does not provide CC immunity like normal block does, and worse, it disables normal blocking for the duration, so you are at the mercy of every CC flying your way. That ult is a giant "cc me now" sign.

I sure hope this isn't intended.

Who cares? You gonna be feared anyway.

Mady

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Weapon Ultimates. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• What’s your favorite Weapon Ultimate, and why?
• Are there any Weapon Ultimates that you’d like to see more powerful? Which one, and what would you like to see changed?
• Are you considering using any of these new Ultimates in place of your current Ultimate? If so, why?
• Do you have any other general feedback?

• What’s your favorite Weapon Ultimate, and why?
  
  Bow ulti. It's cool, that you can cast the turret thingy and still use your abilities. But the damage is WAY too high.
  
  
• Are there any Weapon Ultimates that you’d like to see more powerful? Which one, and what would you like to see changed?
  
  So....the Destro staff ultimate is extremely weak. It's the worst ultimate in the game and one of the worst ultimate/high cooldown skills I've ever seen in a MMO. We tested it in PvP. Terrible. Of course in PvE, too. It feels like it's just Wall Of Elements, but weaker and for 250 ulti. I wouldn't even use it for 50 ulti. Would like to see a strong single target ultimate.
  
  
  The Resto staff ulti is a pretty good ulti for solo stuff while playing defensively. The buffs and heals are crazy. But when it comes to group gameplay it's ...well....trash actually
  
  
• Are you considering using any of these new Ultimates in place of your current Ultimate? If so, why?
  
  With a stamina build yes/maybe the 2H or Bow. But I don't even want to use the 2H ulti. It's so strong it's not even funny.
  
  With a magicka build? No. Both 'magicka ultis' are terrible overall.
  
  
• Do you have any other general feedback?
  
  Please use your time 'til release and think well about those ultimates.
  

Doctordarkspawn

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This is the official feedback thread for Weapon Ultimates. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• What’s your favorite Weapon Ultimate, and why?
• Are there any Weapon Ultimates that you’d like to see more powerful? Which one, and what would you like to see changed?
• Are you considering using any of these new Ultimates in place of your current Ultimate? If so, why?
• Do you have any other general feedback?

What's your favorite Weapon Ultimate, and why?

I love the sword and board ultimate. I would have prefered a AOE taunt, but given the defensive nature of the weapon this certainly works too. It's a very nice defensive cooldown, something that I honestly missed using from other games.

Are there any Weapon Ultimates that you’d like to see more powerful? Which one, and what would you like to see changed?

I think sword and shield needs lengthened minutely. Rounded out to 8 or 9 seconds across the board to account for the animation. It's great as it is, but the mitigation I'm geting from other sources (Like empowering sweep on my templar tank) make it not as good a deal if the duration is half as long.

Are you considering using any of these new Ultimates in place of your current Ultimate? If so, why?

I'm considering using the S&B ultimate, mostly because the defensive cooldown when it launches may give my build better breathing room in intense situations. However, if the duration is not extended I doubt I will use it over my current setup. Empowering sweep simply beats it, with damage, more mitigation based on the situation, and a lower ultimate cost at the moment.

Do you have any other general feedback?

I think that bow needs toned down a tad with the turret morph. The damage potential is so big that I feel like the stack and burn for most bosses is going to go into overdrive. I also think, much like everyone else, that the staff ultimate is far too underpowered. Comparing the 4000 damage over 4 seconds I saw on the test server, to meteor on the live server....which, impact plus dot, no damage lost, is a woping 36273 damage. After crunching the numbers, and given meteor and this have about the same delay, AND meteor tracks until impact, there is no question, the Desto staff ultimate is not competative and may see use as a lock off tool, and absolutely nothing else.

Dracane

So, I just compared batswarm and Elemental Storm, as both work pretty similar.
First picture is Bat Swarm. 3336 magic damage per second base
Second picture, elemental storm. 3332 base damage. And remember, this is with me being a Sorc and Altmer, so I get 9% more shock damage. Means that elemental storms base damage is actually significantly lower.
(I decided to compare the Rank 1 versions of both without any special gear setups, to avoid any mistakes)

Bat swarms base cost is not only significantly lower, but it's base damage is slightly higher, it receives a huge cost reduction from vamp passives, doesn't require a certain weapon to be equipped and can restore health or make you invisible.

I don't need to tell you, how unfair this is and just HOW bad this ultimate truly is.
Honestly, increasing elemental storms damage by 50% would be the least thing to do in my opinion and reducing it's base cost to AT LEAST 150, since it provides no utility at all. My god, what a bad ability. What in Auri-El's name were you actually thinking guys ?