Official Discussion Thread for Weapon Ultimates

SorataArisugawa

Dracane wrote: »

Btw, nice ninja nerf on lightning staff. The channel heavy attack no longer deals aoe damage to nearby enemies, only the final hit does= useless.

This is really bad:(

Doctordarkspawn

NBrookus wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can someone actually test the destro stave one before others are calling it weak?

Those tooltips in the screenshots are for its basic damage on a low level char, without it pointed out and the weapon properly equipped.

Likewise we need people to actually run proper tests with the ultimates before asessing it.

As posted elsewhere:

On my sorc with ~44k mag and ~2900 spell damage, tooltip reads 4513 over 10 seconds for 213 ultimate. Nice, I guess, for PvE... because the boss isn't bright enough to walk out of it. Zero use in pvp. And no doubt it can be negated.

It's not even usefull in PVE. Meteor, other ults, this is underperforming even in that context.

Wollust

The ult for Destro would even be bad if it cost 100 ult. And in fact it's 250. What in the actual f?

Khaos_Bane

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can someone actually test the destro stave one before others are calling it weak?

Those tooltips in the screenshots are for its basic damage on a low level char, without it pointed out and the weapon properly equipped.

Likewise we need people to actually run proper tests with the ultimates before asessing it.

As posted elsewhere:

On my sorc with ~44k mag and ~2900 spell damage, tooltip reads 4513 over 10 seconds for 213 ultimate. Nice, I guess, for PvE... because the boss isn't bright enough to walk out of it. Zero use in pvp. And no doubt it can be negated.

It's not even usefull in PVE. Meteor, other ults, this is underperforming even in that context.

And isn't it the most expensive Ultimate? They made sure that the 2H one can practically be spammed though, especially on a STA DK.

Strider_Roshin

sluice wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

I would say the 2H is OP, but there's a move called Radiant Destruction in this game so I think it's perfectly balanced

Look at it on the brightside.. We don't need a sharpened Maelstrom 2H anymore! Lol

lol true, a Nirnhoned GS would actually be the way to go with that weapon ultimate.

Khaos_Bane

Wollust wrote: »

The ult for Destro would even be bad if it cost 100 ult. And in fact it's 250. What in the actual f?

It got @Wrobel 'd

Doctordarkspawn

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Can someone actually test the destro stave one before others are calling it weak?

Those tooltips in the screenshots are for its basic damage on a low level char, without it pointed out and the weapon properly equipped.

Likewise we need people to actually run proper tests with the ultimates before asessing it.

As posted elsewhere:

On my sorc with ~44k mag and ~2900 spell damage, tooltip reads 4513 over 10 seconds for 213 ultimate. Nice, I guess, for PvE... because the boss isn't bright enough to walk out of it. Zero use in pvp. And no doubt it can be negated.

It's not even usefull in PVE. Meteor, other ults, this is underperforming even in that context.

And isn't it the most expensive Ultimate? They made sure that the 2H one can practically be spammed though, especially on a STA DK.

Around 210 for everyone without cost reducs, yeah, and this is around that too. The staff is actually -more- expensive.

Eitherway, it's just not value enough to warrent using. Destro staff is signifigantly underpowered, and I just..do not know why.

Solariken

Grrr ZOS I was really hoping for a good destro ultimate. It has almost double the cost of 2h but won't even be half as useful in PvP. WHY do you continue to design such a one-sided game? WHYYYY

paulsimonps

@ZOS_Day



This ultimate is either not working as intended or has a Tool tip error. It says it ignores all MITIGATION, but what it really does is ignore all RESISTANCE. These words are no synonymous. Blocking will reduce the effect of this attack by the usual 50% also any increase to block mitigation like Defensive Posture or Sword and Board passive or Iron Skin passive will diminish its effectiveness, even Hardy in the Champion point system will reduce its damage. All those things are MITIGATION, and not RESISTANCE, but it will ignore the mitigation caused by the resistance. So either chance the tool tip or change the ultimate.

Solariken

The restoration ulti looks decently powerful - maybe now you guys can go ahead and delete the Templar Rite of Passage and replace it with something worthwhile? Please?

Teridaxus

So my tank buffs the enemy with free 33k resistance?

Personofsecrets

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

NBrookus

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

So my tank buffs the enemy with free 33k resistance?

Your tank is now not only completely useless, but a detriment to the group. #MissionAccomplished

RoyJade

Solariken wrote: »

The restoration ulti looks decently powerful - maybe now you guys can go ahead and delete the Templar Rite of Passage and replace it with something worthwhile? Please?

Rite of passage follow he classic aoe rules : 6 target with full effect and some more wit reduced effect.
The resto ultimate heal 2 people, including the user. It's totally different.

Dracane

Just tested the 2 handed ult hits for 3 times the damage of uppercut.
Get ready for it ^^

Mix

Destruction Staff Ultimate: Elemental Rage

Is the Lightning version supposed to have 12m radius and 12 second duration whereas the Cold and Flame ones have 10 m radius and 10 second durations?

Forestd16b14_ESO

Ok @ZOS_GinaBruno seriously please tell us what @Wrobel was possibly thinking with the 2H ultimate. Seriously you guys need to replace @Wrobel with some one who knows what they are doing already.

Doctordarkspawn

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

Five seconds of block. It's nice for a very intense battle but bottom line if your going to need that, your allready on your last legs.

Needs buffed to a suitable duration IMO.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

Five seconds of block. It's nice for a very intense battle but bottom line if your going to need that, your allready on your last legs.

Needs buffed to a suitable duration IMO.

Well it's more spell ward is basically dragon scales so isn't all to bad.

Doctordarkspawn

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

Five seconds of block. It's nice for a very intense battle but bottom line if your going to need that, your allready on your last legs.

Needs buffed to a suitable duration IMO.

Well it's more spell ward is basically dragon scales so isn't all to bad.

If you dont PVP that does bugger all for you.

I dont PVP.

zerosingularity

I took the time to test, and I noticed the base Bow Ult (not morphed) does NOT get buffed by Cruel Flurry. The DW ult does though, and it's pretty strong when buffed. My tests were preliminary though, so feel free to confirm or disprove, I sleepy.

paulsimonps

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

What do you mean? It blocks 50% of all incoming damage for 7s without using up your stamina and at the same time you can heavy attack to regain stamina, and as a DK using it whenever it procs also of course activates Battle Roar. One of the morphs reflect all incoming hits that are blocked during its time period and will be very useful in PvP I would say, especially for non-DK's. And the other one makes all of your One Hand and Shield Abilities cost nothing for the duration. I look forward to using this ultimate.

Oh and it counts as blocking so it will apply all block increase mitigation such as Defensive Posture or Sword and Board.

RoyJade

6 second for a 100 cost ultimate is a great duration. You need 33 second without any ultimate buff in order to get your 100 ultimate, so that's nearly 1/5 of your time while under this ultimate.
Tava + heroic slash user will need only 15 second to get 100 ulti, with 6 second under the ulti effect. With bloodspawn on top of that, you'll have the ulti up half of the time. And with the new version of (don't remind the name) set, you'll get health + stamina back each ulti you use, so you'll be virtually unbreakable.

Doctordarkspawn

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

What do you mean? It blocks 50% of all incoming damage for 7s without using up your stamina and at the same time you can heavy attack to regain stamina, and as a DK using it whenever it procs also of course activates Battle Roar. One of the morphs reflect all incoming hits that are blocked during its time period and will be very useful in PvP I would say, especially for non-DK's. And the other one makes all of your One Hand and Shield Abilities cost nothing for the duration. I look forward to using this ultimate.

Oh and it counts as blocking so it will apply all block increase mitigation such as Defensive Posture or Sword and Board.

The duration varies between picutres and what I see ingame, so, 5-7 seconds.

I think it needs a bigger duration for what it is. Again, if you need that ult, five seconds is probs not enough (Considering one or two seconds is eaten by the animation). Ten, maybe twelve might be better. And lets be honest, a purely defensive ultimate like that wouldn't need a much higher cost to compensate.

paulsimonps

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok @ZOS_GinaBruno seriously please tell us what @Wrobel was possibly thinking with the 2H ultimate. Seriously you guys need to replace @Wrobel with some one who knows what they are doing already.

What is so terrible with it? It doesn't seem overly powerful and seem a somewhat strong low cost ultimate. Sure as I stated a bit above the tooltip needs to change a bit but other than that seems ok.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

Five seconds of block. It's nice for a very intense battle but bottom line if your going to need that, your allready on your last legs.

Needs buffed to a suitable duration IMO.

Well it's more spell ward is basically dragon scales so isn't all to bad.

If you dont PVP that does bugger all for you.

I dont PVP.

Uh there are alot if NPCs and bosses whos spells can be reflect.

Doctordarkspawn

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

Five seconds of block. It's nice for a very intense battle but bottom line if your going to need that, your allready on your last legs.

Needs buffed to a suitable duration IMO.

Well it's more spell ward is basically dragon scales so isn't all to bad.

If you dont PVP that does bugger all for you.

I dont PVP.

Uh there are alot if NPCs and bosses whos spells can be reflect.

Okay. Even then the cost reduction is a better deal, for pve. But I still think it needs a buffed duration.

Solariken

RoyJade wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The restoration ulti looks decently powerful - maybe now you guys can go ahead and delete the Templar Rite of Passage and replace it with something worthwhile? Please?

Rite of passage follow he classic aoe rules : 6 target with full effect and some more wit reduced effect.
The resto ultimate heal 2 people, including the user. It's totally different.

Agreed @RoyJade, it is totally different, but IMO Rite of Passage was already inferior to Barrier as a reactionary group survivability tool (and doesn't root the user), and now Resto has a cheap-ish single target bomb heal. I see RoP as even more obsolete than before.

ClockworkArc

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

paulsimonps wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

S&B ult basically doesn't do anything

What do you mean? It blocks 50% of all incoming damage for 7s without using up your stamina and at the same time you can heavy attack to regain stamina, and as a DK using it whenever it procs also of course activates Battle Roar. One of the morphs reflect all incoming hits that are blocked during its time period and will be very useful in PvP I would say, especially for non-DK's. And the other one makes all of your One Hand and Shield Abilities cost nothing for the duration. I look forward to using this ultimate.

Oh and it counts as blocking so it will apply all block increase mitigation such as Defensive Posture or Sword and Board.

The duration varies between picutres and what I see ingame, so, 5-7 seconds.

I think it needs a bigger duration for what it is. Again, if you need that ult, five seconds is probs not enough (Considering one or two seconds is eaten by the animation). Ten, maybe twelve might be better. And lets be honest, a purely defensive ultimate like that wouldn't need a much higher cost to compensate.

They couldn't make it last longer.

It only costs 80 ultimate and everybody is already running Tava's and whatever.

I saw some math awhile ago and apparently DK tanks can already generate 9.7 ult/sec. If the SnB ult lasted longer it would completely ruin the game.

Blackfyre20

PLEASE scrap the destro ult altogether and give us some form of cheap burst