Official Discussion Thread for Weapon Ultimates

SublimeSparo

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The 2H ultimate is absurd when combined with the PVP meta for 2H. Rework it entirely.

hope the 2 hander doesn't refund ult for each person killed...i know it doesn't say that, but ZOS.

https://puu.sh/qXIXw.png

Read the green text in the backround below the title "berserkers rage"

I know I saw that. I meant you kill 1 guy and you get that ult cost back. You kill 5 guys you get 5 time ult cost back.

It's single target so you cant kill 5 guys with it. Unless you were meaning there to be some inherent cooldown on the ult return.

Mixed with vicious death on an Emperor...[

DDuke

Sharee wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

OK, if the post above with the pics is any indication, that S&B ult is way to OP. I could keep probably 60-70% up-time on it, imagine what good tanks could do. Ult needs to be ~200 for something like that.

Really? It seems kinda underwhelming to me.

I mean, an ULTIMATE, and the only effect is that it basically saves you some stamina every now and then. And the more block cost reduction you have, the worse the ultimate is(because it saves less stamina).

Keep in mind that you can use it as templar & be able to use sweeps/jabs while "blocking" & reflecting attacks.

ArtOfShred

Just for funsies (and yes, the one morph gives you all the ultimate back if you land a KB with it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCjN0AauyXY

Also of note, check out this new set: http://puu.sh/qXMff.png
Basically Silks of the Sun for 2-handed DPS. There's one for cold damage as well so far that I've seen, but there's so much to process I haven't gone through anywhere near everything yet.

Toc de Malsvi

zerosingularity wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

OK, if the post above with the pics is any indication, that S&B ult is way to OP. I could keep probably 60-70% up-time on it, imagine what good tanks could do. Ult needs to be ~200 for something like that.

That 2h ult, full refund on a kill, also waaaay too OP, tone that down HARD.

Kinda sad the DW ult is not the most PvE oriented, but that might just be me. The rest seem balanced.

DW ulti definitely is the most PvE oriented, if that DoT can be cleansed or negated with cloak.

I see it more anti-zerg oriented. But bow is silly and is gonna be the Ult of choice. Since it is a channel (like Soul Assault) then Maelstrom Daggers buff it, so it will look more like 80-100k damage over 4 seconds, and if you take the insta-cast morph...

yeah, that sounds interesting. Kinda hope it DOESN'T work in this manner.

You would have to take the Turrent morph as the other one would be a DPS loss, Channeling means you cant cast and that would mean you cease your other rotations for 4 seconds, which would mean if you do 20k per second, the skill would need to do 80k over 4s in order to be a decent replacement for not actively dpsing for 4s.

The turrent though if buffed by Maelstrom Daggers would be ridiculously strong for single target, it does not appear to have any wording suggesting anything other than a single target. This would continue ZOS general movement where Bows are best used on the back bar and players using bows on the back bar get 100% of the value that players who main hand bows get.

AfkNinja

ArtOfShred wrote: »

RESTO: https://puu.sh/qXIQJ.png
DESTRO: https://puu.sh/qXIRY.png
BOW: https://puu.sh/qXITO.png
DW: https://puu.sh/qXIVt.png
SHIELD: https://puu.sh/qXIWH.png
2H: https://puu.sh/qXIXw.png


No gear/skills/anything setup yet.

Bow one on a maxed character without food: (JFC that damage) https://puu.sh/qXIGn.png

Wow...

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The 2H ultimate is absurd when combined with the PVP meta for 2H. Rework it entirely.

hope the 2 hander doesn't refund ult for each person killed...i know it doesn't say that, but ZOS.

https://puu.sh/qXIXw.png

Read the green text in the backround below the title "berserkers rage"

Totally called that 2hand would be broken OP. ZOS LOVES BIG SWORDS!

ClockworkArc

I'm totes using the destro staff ult on my tank for the Minor Maim. Damage AND hilarity.

zerosingularity

Sharee wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

OK, if the post above with the pics is any indication, that S&B ult is way to OP. I could keep probably 60-70% up-time on it, imagine what good tanks could do. Ult needs to be ~200 for something like that.

Really? It seems kinda underwhelming to me.

I mean, an ULTIMATE, and the only effect is that it basically saves you some stamina every now and then. And the more block cost reduction you have, the worse the ultimate is(because it saves less stamina).

But imagine perma-blocking in PvP without ever needing to actually use block, and spam 0 cost skills for days. No need to enchant block cost reduction or use CPs, just slot an ult. and go all deeps.

Toc de Malsvi

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The 2H ultimate is absurd when combined with the PVP meta for 2H. Rework it entirely.

hope the 2 hander doesn't refund ult for each person killed...i know it doesn't say that, but ZOS.

https://puu.sh/qXIXw.png

Read the green text in the backround below the title "berserkers rage"

I know I saw that. I meant you kill 1 guy and you get that ult cost back. You kill 5 guys you get 5 time ult cost back.

It's single target so you cant kill 5 guys with it. Unless you were meaning there to be some inherent cooldown on the ult return.

Mixed with vicious death on an Emperor...[

The 2H ultimate would still only kill one target, you would get the refund from one target being killed, vicious death or whatever AOE you use would kill the other targets.

AfkNinja

Cinbri wrote: »

Literally reto-ult is better than templarhealing ult

Yea wtf is up with that? LOL

UrQuan

DDuke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

OK, if the post above with the pics is any indication, that S&B ult is way to OP. I could keep probably 60-70% up-time on it, imagine what good tanks could do. Ult needs to be ~200 for something like that.

Really? It seems kinda underwhelming to me.

I mean, an ULTIMATE, and the only effect is that it basically saves you some stamina every now and then. And the more block cost reduction you have, the worse the ultimate is(because it saves less stamina).

Keep in mind that you can use it as templar & be able to use sweeps/jabs while "blocking" & reflecting attacks.

Can you? Does it automatically block everything for free without you having to actually hold block, or does it just make all of your blocking free? Reading the tooltip I'm not sure which it is. If it actually does block everything without you having to block (leaving you free to use whatever channels and such you want) then it's pretty great for tanking IMO.

nilldax

ArtOfShred wrote: »

Just for funsies (and yes, the one morph gives you all the ultimate back if you land a KB with it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCjN0AauyXY

Also of note, check out this new set: http://puu.sh/qXMff.png
Basically Silks of the Sun for 2-handed DPS. There's one for cold damage as well so far that I've seen, but there's so much to process I haven't gone through anywhere near everything yet.

You dont even need tava to one-shot in Cyro if you land killing blow - who from not protected by point shiled/block would survive ~43 500 dmg (not counting armor values)?

Sword Singer, not "Silks of Sun" to be accurate

AfkNinja

nilldax wrote: »

ArtOfShred wrote: »

Just for funsies (and yes, the one morph gives you all the ultimate back if you land a KB with it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCjN0AauyXY

Also of note, check out this new set: http://puu.sh/qXMff.png
Basically Silks of the Sun for 2-handed DPS. There's one for cold damage as well so far that I've seen, but there's so much to process I haven't gone through anywhere near everything yet.

You dont even need tava to one-shot in Cyro if you land killing blow - who from not protected by point shiled/block would survive ~43 500 dmg (not counting amror values)?

Sword Singer, not "Silks of Sun" to be accurate

It ignores all armor, and even worse gives the ignored armor to the user then resets it cost so you can do it again. It's just...wow.

DDuke

UrQuan wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

OK, if the post above with the pics is any indication, that S&B ult is way to OP. I could keep probably 60-70% up-time on it, imagine what good tanks could do. Ult needs to be ~200 for something like that.

Really? It seems kinda underwhelming to me.

I mean, an ULTIMATE, and the only effect is that it basically saves you some stamina every now and then. And the more block cost reduction you have, the worse the ultimate is(because it saves less stamina).

Keep in mind that you can use it as templar & be able to use sweeps/jabs while "blocking" & reflecting attacks.

Can you? Does it automatically block everything for free without you having to actually hold block, or does it just make all of your blocking free? Reading the tooltip I'm not sure which it is. If it actually does block everything without you having to block (leaving you free to use whatever channels and such you want) then it's pretty great for tanking IMO.

"automatically block all attacks" - that's how I interpret it atleast, I'll test it once PTS is done downloading.

Toc de Malsvi

It likely wont do 43k in Cyrodiil, I can get fully charged heavies to hit for 75k+ in PVE with a 2h maul, where in Cyrodiil they only hit for 15-20k. Still its massively OP with instant cast, instant refund on kill, and huge buffs for 8seconds after use. Edit: forgot to add and the ignores mitigation part...SMH

Parafrost

susmitds wrote: »

The Bow ultimate is pretty the same as Soul Assault, except it costs much more but allows you to move.

you can move with soul assault

AfkNinja

Parafrost wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

The Bow ultimate is pretty the same as Soul Assault, except it costs much more but allows you to move.

you can move with soul assault

But you can't set it as a turret for auto fire

ArtOfShred

It does get sneak attack bonus, on normal mobs with Sword-Singer and VO on I was getting like 41k crits with empower up so the damage isn't *that* insane. WB crits for around 33k empowered with the same setup to give you an idea.

SleepyTroll

new way to gank

Micah123

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

The 2H ultimate is absurd when combined with the PVP meta for 2H. Rework it entirely.

hope the 2 hander doesn't refund ult for each person killed...i know it doesn't say that, but ZOS.

https://puu.sh/qXIXw.png

Read the green text in the backround below the title "berserkers rage"

I know I saw that. I meant you kill 1 guy and you get that ult cost back. You kill 5 guys you get 5 time ult cost back.

It's single target so you cant kill 5 guys with it. Unless you were meaning there to be some inherent cooldown on the ult return.

Touche

Toc de Malsvi

Parafrost wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

The Bow ultimate is pretty the same as Soul Assault, except it costs much more but allows you to move.

you can move with soul assault

I think he was referencing that Soul Assault snares you while casting. Either way, the only bow ultimate morph that is worthwhile is the turrent option. And likely only really worthwhile in PVE, as a channel it is probably interrruptable, and NB's can probably still cloak it.

Hiero_Glyph

Cinbri wrote: »

Literally reto-ult is better than templarhealing ult

The Resto ult is single target; read the description as it says you or an ally. Sure, it heals for more than the Templar ult on a single target, but once you include groups the Templar ult is way better for total healing done. This seems well balanced overall since there is nothing preventing a Templar from using both.

nilldax

AfkNinja wrote: »

nilldax wrote: »

ArtOfShred wrote: »

Just for funsies (and yes, the one morph gives you all the ultimate back if you land a KB with it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCjN0AauyXY

Also of note, check out this new set: http://puu.sh/qXMff.png
Basically Silks of the Sun for 2-handed DPS. There's one for cold damage as well so far that I've seen, but there's so much to process I haven't gone through anywhere near everything yet.

You dont even need tava to one-shot in Cyro if you land killing blow - who from not protected by point shiled/block would survive ~43 500 dmg (not counting amror values)?

Sword Singer, not "Silks of Sun" to be accurate

It ignores all armor, and even worse gives the ignored armor to the user then resets it cost so you can do it again. It's just...wow.

Its quite late to see properly

In addition my DW/bow speculation
Maelstrom Daggers -> Bloodthrist ->Ballista -> Shadowy Disguisse ( best with Vicecannon)

Hiero_Glyph

DDuke wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

zerosingularity wrote: »

OK, if the post above with the pics is any indication, that S&B ult is way to OP. I could keep probably 60-70% up-time on it, imagine what good tanks could do. Ult needs to be ~200 for something like that.

Really? It seems kinda underwhelming to me.

I mean, an ULTIMATE, and the only effect is that it basically saves you some stamina every now and then. And the more block cost reduction you have, the worse the ultimate is(because it saves less stamina).

Keep in mind that you can use it as templar & be able to use sweeps/jabs while "blocking" & reflecting attacks.

Can you? Does it automatically block everything for free without you having to actually hold block, or does it just make all of your blocking free? Reading the tooltip I'm not sure which it is. If it actually does block everything without you having to block (leaving you free to use whatever channels and such you want) then it's pretty great for tanking IMO.

"automatically block all attacks" - that's how I interpret it atleast, I'll test it once PTS is done downloading.

I wonder how this works for attacks that cannot be blocked. While useful, it doesn't sound like it is 100% damage mitigation for 6 seconds.

KenaPKK

My Soul Assault on live is over 55k with a shorter duration than the bow ult. Bow ult is fine as long as that turret can be killed or disabled.

Toc de Malsvi

KenaPKK wrote: »

My Soul Assault on live is over 55k with a shorter duration than the bow ult. Bow ult is fine as long as that turret can be killed or disabled.

The turret would only last for 4 sec, and hits only 1 target, it doesn't need to be killed or disabled to be fine. The Turret also costs 75% more than Soul Assault. As a channel being listed like Soul Assault gives eye popping numbers but the actual functionality of it appears leave much to be desired.

Hiero_Glyph

KenaPKK wrote: »

My Soul Assault on life is over 55k with a shorter duration than the bow ult. Bow ult is fine as long as that turret can be killed or disabled.

I'd be curious to see how the turret is placed since it requires a target. It sounds like it is dropped at your location and then channels the attack. Still, this gives the opportunity to stun an opponent after dropping it which is better than Soul Assault. The cost seems to be the balancing factor.

Emma_Overload

The Destro ultimate is the WORST. If the 2 second pause before firing doesn't make it worthless for PvP, the weak damage over time will!

Why can't Magicka users have a strong BURST ultimate?

Baconlad

So much for making destro staves needed over DW for magick classes...would love if it were an OPTION. On live you're stupid if you choose destro over DW for sweeps build. And the ult? No thanks, swarms heals me and does better damage, meteor is better for burst, crescent sweeps is much better for burst, hell even dawnbreaker is better still...id even rather use nova than destro ult...for single target

psychotic13

Emma_Overload wrote: »

The Destro ultimate is the WORST. If the 2 second pause before firing doesn't make it worthless for PvP, the weak damage over time will!

Why can't Magicka users have a strong BURST ultimate?

We can only dream

Baconlad

Kinda *** that the only ult I can for single target is soul assault, which is way too easy to be countered. I only ever kill idiots with it