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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

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  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    Just like I would not support a pub, which would especially target alcoholics, I do no longer support this game with my money

    Well, that's where we disagree. ZOS doesn't target especially ICD-affected people. Not more and not less than with the game itself, or the crown store as it is now. Not more and not less than any other company in the gaming industry.

    I dislike the idea of the lockboxes, because in my opinion, it lacks "class" and "elegance". But beyond that, I don't mind them.

  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    I am no longer offering my money to them

    I think you've spent more money on the game than most of us will have spent in 5 years (you mentioned it yourself several times how much money you devoted to ESO - up to paying 12 months ESO+ in advance... ), so I don't think ZOS cares. You've been an excellent paying customer even if you stop now.



  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Of course my concens could be easily dissolved if ZOS would limit the amount of boxes which could be bought in a certain amount of time - like 1 box every other day - this would be 15x400 crowns max. per month to be spend on those boxes - 6k crowns is getting ZOS more income, but it will not derail the life of an ICD person like it would with an unlimited amount. There ZOS could show that they are a reasonable and responsible company which isn't intentionally preying on ICD people.
    Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 12:46PM
  • elvenmad
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    ZOS do not 'target' anyone specifically, they don't care who you are, you are just a name on a screen that they can potentially gain cash from.....and thats what its all about CASH, it does not matter were it comes from as long as they get some of it.

    Its business.....
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  • optyk2477_ESO
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    Stiltz wrote: »
    I think it's ridiculous that people are getting upset over this. I would understand if it was pay to win items but cosmetics and mounts? Who gives a flying ****? If you don't want to buy one then don't. It's as simple as that.

    The fact is that there will be plenty of people that will be all over this, and that will bring in revenue which will help cover expenses for new content and the fixes that the players need.

    I will most likely never even consider buying one, but I couldn't possibly care any less what others do with their crowns.

    Well it's either you care about others' crowns or you don't. You started with caring if it were stat items and then ended with not caring.

    Personally, I don't mind if they add stat weapons/gear. P2W is nothing new what-so-ever in todays gaming market. If someone wants to be a wallet warrior, so be it; to each their own.

    Adding in RNG boxes with exclusive items is just the start though. Anyone with experience from other games knows this. You don't outright get the exclusive item you're eyeballing, you get a low chance at it. Its not as simple as 'dont like; dont buy'. Consumables and other misc poop are in those boxes because they are 'filler'. Thats 90% of what people are going to get.

    What we will see, is items that people have been asking for added to these boxes, or just simply other cool cosmetics, pets mounts that should've just been added to the store. BTW, cosmetics are the largest feature in many games. A google search will confirm that -lets not downplay them as a simple aspect.

    It's the 'house always wins' RNG/Gambling that people dislike, not store items.
  • Woeler
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    They bring out the biggest project to this date, for all players, FOR FREE. And you complain about this? Shame on you, really. Companies need to make money. Quit acting like this game is some sort of "right" you have.

    Just reading this topic, disgusting.
    Edited by Woeler on August 21, 2016 12:48PM
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Cazzy wrote: »
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    My voice will be lost in this thread but I'm not going to stay silent.

    If/when they implement this or confirm it, I will have to say goodbye.

    I have an addictive personality (been sober for about 6 years now) and ESO is (or was) my escape, my joy. I love collecting mounts, pets and costumes but I try to be very conscious with what I'm buying. Items that hide behind gambling boxes takes my choice away. I can't choose it. I can't decide what I purchase.

    This makes me unhappy.

    When a game that made me feel such joy suddenly makes me feel unhappy, I can't support it.

    I looked at the crown store showcase again after the boxes were announced and realised I had lost my excitement for the costume and mount being released for a "Limited Time". I was looking forward to them only yesterday.

    Make as big or as little of a deal of this as you will, but you're asking for real world money.

    I genuinely supported you. I've got fan t-shirts and have stayed up until 5am to watch streams and live shows. I feel like I've met a hero and all he turned out to be is a greedy man in an expensive suit.

    Quoting myself because I think it's relevant.

    It is Cazzy, I am trying to protect people like you by pointing these things out - good that you reposted it.
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    I am no longer offering my money to them

    I think you've spent more money on the game than most of us will have spent in 5 years (you mentioned it yourself several times how much money you devoted to ESO - up to paying 12 months ESO+ in advance... ), so I don't think ZOS cares. You've been an excellent paying customer even if you stop now.

    I am not stopping it to make ZOS care, but for the benefit of my own conscience - I cannot support this any longer with my money - and of course I have spent a lot, and why not, if it is enjoyable and does not harm anyone - but now I have to make a stand, it might not have a huge effect, but maybe it will make one or the other think about it - these RNG boxes will harm people in their real life, this is not something what just "might" harm people, it definitely will harm people.

    It is like putting a bunch of loaded guns into a room of people with a tendency to commit suicide.

    Edit: my spendings in ESO were still very reasonable, they just seem to be a lot for some people, but they are actually just 0.2% of my income.

    Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 1:04PM
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    elvenmad wrote: »
    ZOS do not 'target' anyone specifically, they don't care who you are, you are just a name on a screen that they can potentially gain cash from.....and thats what its all about CASH, it does not matter were it comes from as long as they get some of it.

    Its business.....

    ... said the drug dealer - there is ethical business and there is unethical business - and this here is unethical..
  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    It occurs to me that we're already suffering from the effects of Lockboxes even before their release—remember all those threads wondering why we hadn't gotten new hair styles, unreleased costumes and of course the Sep adder?

    Now we know why.
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  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    These RNG boxes will harm people in their real life, this is not something what just "might" harm people, it definitely will harm people.

    Just like any alcoholic beverage producing company HAS harmed and WILL harm people.
    Just like any car manufacturer HAS harmed and WILL harm people
    Just like any chemical company HAS harmed and WILL harm people
    Just like any PEANUT HAS harmed and WILL harm people...

    You're free to choose your crusade, Lysette, entitled to your opinions and entitled to express it. But FFS STOP trying to appeal to our "conscience" and to convince us that we are horrible people for not fighting those boxes like the next nuclear power on Earth.


    Lysette wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote:
    If/when they implement this or confirm it, I will have to say goodbye.
    Quoting myself because I think it's relevant.
    It is Cazzy, I am trying to protect people like you by pointing these things out - good that you reposted it.

    Okay, now you can talk with yourself, requote yourself or each other, and feed your own arguments just like that. That's actually a very efficient way to convince yourself that you are 100% right while ignoring 99% of all other comment which might not so easily agree with you.

  • Avenias
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    Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics
    This is prolly the best idea from ZOS by far. Ppl going nuts to get exclusive box only rare loot and they dump their savings into it. Its about dam time ZOS took part in online gambling
  • Daraugh
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    I'm not thrilled but as long as it's limited to mounts, pets and costumes it's ok. If the random chance isn't weighted in favor of a cheapo pet over a dro-m'Athra mount and it's truly an equally fair chance at any item. I don't want to see pots or food as part of these boxes. Anything craftable or obtainable through gameplay should not be a part of the loot table.
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  • elvenmad
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    elvenmad wrote: »
    ZOS do not 'target' anyone specifically, they don't care who you are, you are just a name on a screen that they can potentially gain cash from.....and thats what its all about CASH, it does not matter were it comes from as long as they get some of it.

    Its business.....

    ... said the drug dealer - there is ethical business and there is unethical business - and this here is unethical..

    I agree, but they literally don't care, practically all western published MMO's use some form of a cash shop random loot box and for one reason....its easy money and low maintanance
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  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    @Daraugh : I hate to break it to you but...
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

    First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

    In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

    Emphasis mine. Here is the original post if you're curious.
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  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    These RNG boxes will harm people in their real life, this is not something what just "might" harm people, it definitely will harm people.

    Just like any alcoholic beverage producing company HAS harmed and WILL harm people.
    Just like any car manufacturer HAS harmed and WILL harm people
    Just like any chemical company HAS harmed and WILL harm people
    Just like any PEANUT HAS harmed and WILL harm people...

    You're free to choose your crusade, Lysette, entitled to your opinions and entitled to express it. But FFS STOP trying to appeal to our "conscience" and to convince us that we are horrible people for not fighting those boxes like the next nuclear power on Earth.


    Lysette wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote:
    If/when they implement this or confirm it, I will have to say goodbye.
    Quoting myself because I think it's relevant.
    It is Cazzy, I am trying to protect people like you by pointing these things out - good that you reposted it.

    Okay, now you can talk with yourself, requote yourself or each other, and feed your own arguments just like that. That's actually a very efficient way to convince yourself that you are 100% right while ignoring 99% of all other comment which might not so easily agree with you.

    Take the time and read her post at least - if all people would be like you, we would still have slavery and other nasty things in our lifes. Sometimes one has to make a stand to get things changed - they might not change at once, but if enough are against it, it will cause a change, just like it was with slavery and other very nasty things in the past.
  • Cazzy
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    These RNG boxes will harm people in their real life, this is not something what just "might" harm people, it definitely will harm people.

    Just like any alcoholic beverage producing company HAS harmed and WILL harm people.
    Just like any car manufacturer HAS harmed and WILL harm people
    Just like any chemical company HAS harmed and WILL harm people
    Just like any PEANUT HAS harmed and WILL harm people...

    You're free to choose your crusade, Lysette, entitled to your opinions and entitled to express it. But FFS STOP trying to appeal to our "conscience" and to convince us that we are horrible people for not fighting those boxes like the next nuclear power on Earth.


    Lysette wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote:
    If/when they implement this or confirm it, I will have to say goodbye.
    Quoting myself because I think it's relevant.
    It is Cazzy, I am trying to protect people like you by pointing these things out - good that you reposted it.

    Okay, now you can talk with yourself, requote yourself or each other, and feed your own arguments just like that. That's actually a very efficient way to convince yourself that you are 100% right while ignoring 99% of all other comment which might not so easily agree with you.

    Did you even read what I wrote? Or are you just ignoring it? :tongue:
  • Agobi
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Adernath wrote: »
    @ZOS_GinaBruno

    Just to make it clear: At the point I am writing this I see around 70 % of us are against any form of lockboxes. Show us that ZOS respect our opinion.

    Thank you,been a while since I have laughed this hard...that felt good :D

  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    Take the time and read her post at least - if all people would be like you, we would still have slavery and other nasty things in our lifes. Sometimes one has to make a stand to get things changed - they might not change at once, but if enough are against it, it will cause a change, just like it was with slavery and other very nasty things in the past.

    I did read her post.
    Slavery now ????
    You're losing all sense of reality and proportion here.

  • Cazzy
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote: »
    Cazzy wrote: »
    My voice will be lost in this thread but I'm not going to stay silent.

    If/when they implement this or confirm it, I will have to say goodbye.

    I have an addictive personality (been sober for about 6 years now) and ESO is (or was) my escape, my joy. I love collecting mounts, pets and costumes but I try to be very conscious with what I'm buying. Items that hide behind gambling boxes takes my choice away. I can't choose it. I can't decide what I purchase.

    This makes me unhappy.

    When a game that made me feel such joy suddenly makes me feel unhappy, I can't support it.

    I looked at the crown store showcase again after the boxes were announced and realised I had lost my excitement for the costume and mount being released for a "Limited Time". I was looking forward to them only yesterday.

    Make as big or as little of a deal of this as you will, but you're asking for real world money.

    I genuinely supported you. I've got fan t-shirts and have stayed up until 5am to watch streams and live shows. I feel like I've met a hero and all he turned out to be is a greedy man in an expensive suit.

    Quoting myself because I think it's relevant.

    It is Cazzy, I am trying to protect people like you by pointing these things out - good that you reposted it.

    I know you are. Thank you :smile:<3
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    elvenmad wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    elvenmad wrote: »
    ZOS do not 'target' anyone specifically, they don't care who you are, you are just a name on a screen that they can potentially gain cash from.....and thats what its all about CASH, it does not matter were it comes from as long as they get some of it.

    Its business.....

    ... said the drug dealer - there is ethical business and there is unethical business - and this here is unethical..

    I agree, but they literally don't care, practically all western published MMO's use some form of a cash shop random loot box and for one reason....its easy money and low maintanance

    Well, they lost my respect - if they act like drug dealers then they deserve the same respect as drug dealers.
  • petraeus1
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    Woeler wrote: »
    They bring out the biggest project to this date, for all players, FOR FREE. And you complain about this? Shame on you, really. Companies need to make money. Quit acting like this game is some sort of "right" you have.

    Just reading this topic, disgusting.

    Oh please, stop using the 'They need to make money' card. What have they been doing for the past 2,5 years? They have been using pretty much every revenue avenue available to a game. No one would have opened their mouths if they kept doing that.

    Gamble boxes are designed to screw customers over, pardon my language.

    No one is talking about 'rights', we're talking about a decision ZOS made we are unhappy about, as you've done as well in the past I'm sure. Implying that we should be grateful they release an update for free or that we can't complain because it's by ZOS' sovereign will the servers are still live, my arse.

    I've invested a lot of time and money in this game, and if there's something I don't like, I'll have them know. I'm not forcing them to do it my way, I'm not calling them names or threatening or making demands, but I'm also not here to have someone tell me to shut up, thanks very much.

  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Take the time and read her post at least - if all people would be like you, we would still have slavery and other nasty things in our lifes. Sometimes one has to make a stand to get things changed - they might not change at once, but if enough are against it, it will cause a change, just like it was with slavery and other very nasty things in the past.

    I did read her post.
    Slavery now ????
    You're losing all sense of reality and proportion here.

    Both is abusive behavior and exploitation - don't you see the parallels?
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Take the time and read her post at least - if all people would be like you, we would still have slavery and other nasty things in our lifes. Sometimes one has to make a stand to get things changed - they might not change at once, but if enough are against it, it will cause a change, just like it was with slavery and other very nasty things in the past.

    I did read her post.
    Slavery now ????
    You're losing all sense of reality and proportion here.

    Both is abusive behavior and exploitation - don't you see the parallels?

    Are you so blinded by your self-made heroism that you don't see how ridiculous it is to draw even the slightest comparison between lockboxes in a videogame, and slavery ?

    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 21, 2016 1:21PM
  • Avenias
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    Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics
    Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.
    Edited by Avenias on August 21, 2016 1:26PM
  • Neirymn
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    @Lysette and @Cazzy will it be more "acceptable" if we can get one of those crates for each months we subscribe or some crown gems like ESO Plus members already get crowns?
  • Enodoc
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    Avenias wrote: »
    Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.
    I won't, and I'm not even particularly opposed to them. I'm also quite positive that Lysette and Cazzy won't either, whether they decide to leave the game or not.
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  • elvenmad
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.

    Once the boxes are in the game that is only the beginning, then the player manipulation begins.

    OK they 'could' only put in the boxes items that are already in the game BUT when they do this they would have to reduce the amount available in the game at the same time, this has to be done to keep a balance of available items otherwise it could adversely affect the whole game as well as the economy.
    This will push some items to borderline pay to get them, but this has to be done.

    Drop rates of items and the amounts in the game are constantly monitored every day, every week and 'tweaked' to keep a balance.

    Then we come to 'exclusive' items these will be widely advertised as maybe events etc and it will be we know from 'x' date these will be in the box loot tables, that is standard marketing.

    This also will be very closely monitored, the first day of the event some of these 'exclusive' items will drop and it will be widely made known, as most know alot of games have spash screen alerts showing 'joe bloggs just won x item'...this is the tease.
    They will allow just enough of these 'exclusive items to drop, they are not random, the drops are set by a program, after the first day and the 'masses' are in a frenzy that these exclusive items are droping they will 'alter' the drop rates, now that everybody is in a buying frenzy they don't want too many of the exclusive items out there or they wont be 'exclusive' anymore and people will stop buying.
    When sales decline slightly they will increase the amount dropping to increase sales again. THIS is how RNG loot boxes work
    Edited by elvenmad on August 21, 2016 1:32PM
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  • AlienSlof
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Avenias wrote: »
    Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

    No, they won't. This is my 3rd MMO and I've never bought a loot box. Ever. Never will either. I loathe gambling with a passion.
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  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Take the time and read her post at least - if all people would be like you, we would still have slavery and other nasty things in our lifes. Sometimes one has to make a stand to get things changed - they might not change at once, but if enough are against it, it will cause a change, just like it was with slavery and other very nasty things in the past.

    I did read her post.
    Slavery now ????
    You're losing all sense of reality and proportion here.

    Both is abusive behavior and exploitation - don't you see the parallels?

    Are you so blinded by your self-made heroism that you don't see how ridiculous it is to draw even the slightest comparison between lockboxes in a videogame, and slavery ?

    It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.

    And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.
    Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 1:34PM
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