What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Garldeen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

senhavran wrote: »

Wow that is extreme, are you sure you won't regret that? I might not buy them myself because I don't want to waste my money on potions and stuff like that but I'm not against it as long as it's only cosmetics.

I can understand that people with control disorder can have problems with this system but I don't really get why it is such an issue for some of you at the point that you may quit the game, it doesn't affect the gameplay. Also, I'm a bit saddened that people like Lysette et Cazzy, very active on these forums and who seemed very invested in the game, may leave.

I am not leaving for about a year - my ESO+ is running out August 2017 - but I stopped paying and nothing will make me pay for this game again as long as those boxes will be there. And even if they would be removed, my spendings would be drastically reduced, because I do not trust that ZOS will not just wait for us to buy houses and then reintroduce those boxes. My trust is lost and maybe nothing can bring it back - they lied a couple of times already, I cannot trust them anymore.

In one year, a lot of things can happen, maybe you'll change your mind, who knows? As long as they don't announce a F2P model and introduced P2W gear and items into the CS, I am fine with those crates.

I'll be more upset if housing is to be a crown store only feature, I was already a little disappointed with the style parlor being CS exclusive, I would have loved to pay gold in game to a face sculptor like in Skyrim to do basic appearance changes.

I don't like cash shops in MMO's in general and prefer pay to play games, but I think that the crown store with this buy to play model is somewhat fair. Of course, I'd like to have everything but can't afford them all so that's a bit frustating but it doesn't affect my gameplay and my chances at wining in game so I am pretty happy with ESO atm.

Prepare to be upset...

LadyNalcarya

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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Bouldercleave wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

jeevin wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

Bad enough that you do not see it as reasonable, if we do not want to support a game which preys on people with a gambling addiction and those who have low self-control, when it comes to getting what they want - some of them will spend thousands of dollars on this - I have seen that in Archeage - they might even get themselves and their families into real nasty situations due to that they have no control over this or are too weak - this is not that far from what Cazzy said - but it does not apply just to Cazzy - and it can effect even those, who are not yet having this problem - they can get addicted to gambling.

I guess we could all just live in individual bubbles and hope that no one talks to, takes advantage of, or bumps into us.

Honestly, it is NOT ZoS responsibility if you can't control yourself. I am a FIRM believer in personal responsibility. A select few have a legitimate problem, but the vast majority just use it as a cop out.

I have to STRONGLY disagree with you here @Bouldercleave. It's deeply troubling that any company would prey on those people with any sort of addictive personality or gambling addiction. What's far worse is the exposure of supposedly harmless lock box gambling to children and the young people who are naive to such things. My closest friend has struggled with gambling addiction for all of his adult life and it seemingly most likely stems from exposure to gambling at a young age.

Let's be clear here, these "locked boxes" are designed to stimulate the exact same chemical response in the brain as gambling on poker machines. They are designed to take advantage of the way our puny little brains are wired to get cash out of us. They pollute the games we love to play and the world at large. They are evil and the people at Zos who made the decision to put gambling in their game should be ashamed.

It saddens me to see others defend such tactics.

I agree.
I know of some people who literally lost everything they had because of slot machine addiction. And I greatly despise this kind of stuff.
Too bad there's no laws to regulate those things in video games... At least casinos need special licences etc which makes setting it up a little bit more difficult. And even in rl casinos slot machines are being rigged, and non-transparent software makes it even easier to tamper with... Which is, of course, often used by greedy developers. Its such a shame.

I know several people that have lost their lives because of smoking - knowing that it was bad for you.

You don't see me walking up and slapping cigarettes out of peoples mouths. It's freedom of choice. If you know that you can't handle it - then leave.

Thats a different thing. While alcohol and tobacco can cause harm, their production and sales are regulated by laws, there is at least quality control etc.
Rng boxes are more like rigged slot machines and drug dealing - owners of such "business" can do whatever they want to exploit their customers. And they will do that.

ShadowHvo

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Please Zenimax, never make random loot boxes in the crown store, even if its just for cosmetics. The only thing those boxes will do is make your company appear greedy by exploiting our gambling tendencies.

Please, reconsider this choice.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

jeevin wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

Bad enough that you do not see it as reasonable, if we do not want to support a game which preys on people with a gambling addiction and those who have low self-control, when it comes to getting what they want - some of them will spend thousands of dollars on this - I have seen that in Archeage - they might even get themselves and their families into real nasty situations due to that they have no control over this or are too weak - this is not that far from what Cazzy said - but it does not apply just to Cazzy - and it can effect even those, who are not yet having this problem - they can get addicted to gambling.

I guess we could all just live in individual bubbles and hope that no one talks to, takes advantage of, or bumps into us.

Honestly, it is NOT ZoS responsibility if you can't control yourself. I am a FIRM believer in personal responsibility. A select few have a legitimate problem, but the vast majority just use it as a cop out.

I have to STRONGLY disagree with you here @Bouldercleave. It's deeply troubling that any company would prey on those people with any sort of addictive personality or gambling addiction. What's far worse is the exposure of supposedly harmless lock box gambling to children and the young people who are naive to such things. My closest friend has struggled with gambling addiction for all of his adult life and it seemingly most likely stems from exposure to gambling at a young age.

Let's be clear here, these "locked boxes" are designed to stimulate the exact same chemical response in the brain as gambling on poker machines. They are designed to take advantage of the way our puny little brains are wired to get cash out of us. They pollute the games we love to play and the world at large. They are evil and the people at Zos who made the decision to put gambling in their game should be ashamed.

It saddens me to see others defend such tactics.

I agree.
I know of some people who literally lost everything they had because of slot machine addiction. And I greatly despise this kind of stuff.
Too bad there's no laws to regulate those things in video games... At least casinos need special licences etc which makes setting it up a little bit more difficult. And even in rl casinos slot machines are being rigged, and non-transparent software makes it even easier to tamper with... Which is, of course, often used by greedy developers. Its such a shame.

I know several people that have lost their lives because of smoking - knowing that it was bad for you.

You don't see me walking up and slapping cigarettes out of peoples mouths. It's freedom of choice. If you know that you can't handle it - then leave.

Thats a different thing. While alcohol and tobacco can cause harm, their production and sales are regulated by laws, there is at least quality control etc.
Rng boxes is more like rigged slot machines and drug dealing - owners of such "business" can do whatever they want to exploit their customers. And they will do that.

Much as I hate to admit it, the current lockbox business model evolved specifically to circumvent gambling regulatory systems.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

Okay, so I have to ask in a very calm and rational manner. Because I actually do respect your opinions on these forums. You've been here a long while and made a lot of good and insightful posts and discussions.

But how in the divines did we get from lockboxes to slavery and not thinking we could vote for a woman president? Because I'm pretty sure that one of these things is not like the other. Seriously. People who willingly pay for a service are not victims. Not everyone is a victim of the big, evil corporate machine. Not everyone in the world needs wrapping up in cotton wool and protecting. This is a video game. A thing that people play to get away from the real world.

Now, I completely agree that this is a form of gambling. They have had such things in many, many other games. Specifically mobile games and MMO's. People have the free will to spend their hard earned money in whatever manner is befitting to them without people telling them that it's wrong or naughty and shame on them.

Now I also get that there's a very small percentage of people that have addictive personalities and go for the thrill of the gamble. But not everyone is like that. ZOS aren't targeting these people. They are a company, and companies have to make money to exist. Without any revenue, this game would not exist, they couldn't pay their staff, pay for technology and servers and all of their overheads.

Lockboxes don't bother me. Nothing like that has ever appealed to me. I get that you personally don't like them. But at the end of the day, you don't even have to open the crown store tab in the game if you don't want to. I've opened it a handful of times in all my time here.

I feel this is being blown out of all proportion. That's my feelings and I'm entitled to them just as you and everyone else on this forum is. This isn't ZOS targeting anyone, they're just doing as every other corporate machine does. Nothing more. There's no great evil here.

One addict will most likely buy more boxes than a hundred normal players - this is what makes it so attractive to have these gambling boxes at all for the company - normal people will just buy a few boxes for the fun of it - if they are lucky, fine, if not as well fine. So there is nothing to gain from normal people, what could not be gained as well by directly selling them these items. This gambling box thing is specifically designed to prey on ICD personalities, because they cannot help it, they will have to buy these boxes to a point, where it can really get critical for the real life - and this is the evil part of the deal.

I'm sorry but I see this as an illogical fallacy. To ZOS, you're not a disorder to take advantage of. You're a customer. A number that they make money off. Sure they interact with the community here etc but at the end of the day that's what you are. Someone who puts money in their coffers.

The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly. It just makes them more money due to gambling addicts or people who have a general problem with controlling there impulsive behavior (ICD personalities) - so these boxes are there to profit from these kind of people. These boxes do not target normal people, there is nothing more to gain from this group - it is targeting gamblers and ICD people. Most normal people will just ignore those boxes or maybe buy one to see what comes out of it - there would be nothing to gain from normal people, this is specifically made to prey on ICD personalities.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

A couple of observations to sum up a 30 page thread... staying out of the legal and medical issues.

1. Firor is attempting to "sell" these boxes by revealing that it is the miracle solution to the "when is X coming back to the Store" problem. If they wanted a solution to that problem, they would just put those items back in the store for a limited time. Less fuss, less cost. The "lucky bags" are a happy coincidence for Firor, not the solution to the stated problem.

2. ZOS is going to do "lucky bags" no matter what the forum says. This is more important than the opinion of the forum. They are desperate for cash, warranted or not, and this is a shiny new way to get it that is within the bounds of their stated limits for the Crown Store. For as much as they are pushing that "7 million", the tone in his voice when he said it says there is concern there. I will wager that Japan is not the market they thought it would be and that, overall, revenue is dropping.

3. Existing Crown Store items are not selling well enough. They need a way to make more real money from Crown Store items that does not require that they raise the price. They get criticized for expensive stuff. However, if a person willingly buys ten 400 Crown "lucky bags" to get a 2500 Crown mount, maybe they won't complain.

4. The people who fawn over the limited time offers are going to be the ones who are purchasing these "lucky bags" in quantity. I don't think these will open up wide new avenues of Crown sales, but it might increase the number of Crowns purchased by these people. I am with @Cazzy in that I want to see what I am buying, and I doubt that I am in a minority on this front.

5. Part of the reason that the ZOS Limited Time Offer expensive items have maybe not done as well as they could have are due to poor product quality in an expensive item. The exclusive "lucky bag" items are a clever way of hiding these flaws from the players because no one will be able to see the item until they "win" one. Product quality will still be bad. Price will still be expensive. Nothing will change on this front. We will still get low quality textures, low detail meshes, and silly sounds out of them. The people who get them will probably pay more for them, too.

Still, I say "yes" to the bag. As long as they are cosmetic and convenience items.

Abeille wrote: »

2 - ZOS said before that they were not going to introduce RNG Boxes. They went back on that and now are introducing RNG Boxes - and with limited items in them, no less. Now, they are saying "No P2W, ever". But how can we trust that they won't go back on that too?

I see this statement quite a bit, but it is starting to sound like an unfounded belief. I want to see the quote, from the Devs, but no one has posted a link, that I have seen. Is this just some invention from the forum, like the one where Firor promised to shut down the game before dropping the subscription model? Something that was never said.

I saw that @Enodoc asked the same thing, and no one has answered.

Lysette wrote: »

I am not leaving for about a year - my ESO+ is running out August 2017

How did you get that far ahead?

wonkydog wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

I'll be more upset if housing is to be a crown store only feature, I was already a little disappointed with the style parlor being CS exclusive, I would have loved to pay gold in game to a face sculptor like in Skyrim to do basic appearance changes.

Prepare to be upset...

This. Anyone who thinks that Housing will be anything but a cash grab by ZOS has not been paying attention. The outrage over the cost of "Race change" will pale in comparison to the outrage over Housing.

helgewjb16_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Another game about to be ruined for me by gambling loot boxes.

I played SWTOR for quite some time and the amount of stuff they hid in loot boxes slowy drained any enjoyment I could get from the game. I was a subscriber there and got a set amount of Cartel Coins each month to use on the Cartel Market. As a subscriber you didn't really need to buy much so I usually ended up buying these loot boxes. In the beginning I thought this was fine, it was just cosmetics and didn't affect me much. After a while though I realized if I wanted to change the look of my character I could no longer craft/loot/find new armor. I either needed to get lucky from the loot boxes or farm insane amount of credits to buy the item from the auction house. I started to buy extra coins to buy extra loot boxes and I guess EA had managed what they wanted. Not only was I subscribing, I was also buying extra cartel coins to gamble to get that item I wanted.

I didn't take long for me to realize how slim the chances were to get what I wanted. It also affected my enjoyment of the game since crafting/looting etc. kinda didn't matter as much anymore. In the end I didn't really spend a lot of money on this, but looking back I feel ashamed for each dollar I spendt. Technically EA did nothing illegal, yet I felt wronged and cheated. I cancelled my subscription and I wowed to never invest in a game using this practice again.

I played ESO at launch and I was a bit weary going back knowing they had added a Crown Store. I did some research and was kinda relieved when I saw there were no loot boxes and you could buy the item you wanted. I started playing a couple of weeks ago and with the added controller support on pc I was having a blast. I quickly subscribed (for 6 months!), bought a nice mount, a nice outfit and still got lots of crowns left if anything new is coming to the store in the future. I've completed the story on the Aldmeri side and loved every minute of it.

Then I saw this thread. First I hoped it was a mistake, a misquote or something, but no it is really coming. I guess the money is too good for ZOS to not doing it. Cause it works, it really does. That's why I'm pretty sure they will start adding more and more unique stuff which only are available in loot boxes to increase the profit. Why wouldn't they?

So once again I feel cheated. I wish there were some way for me to go back on my subscription, to cancel it before the 6 months are up. I logged on my pc today to play some more, but not sure if I feel like it anymore. I don't want to invest more time in this game knowing where it's headed. This trend in online games with the gambling using real world money is so disheartening to observe. I guess wishing for companies to take the ethical approach is naive, but damnit, it shouldn't be.

So to summarize, this post won't change anything, but I kinda had to type it down to tell how I feel. ZOS: I know why you're doing it, heck I even understand it, but I cannot agree with it. You are preying on people with addiction and that is wrong, simple as that. I guess I will send an email to support to try and get a partial refund. Either way I'm done with this game and maybe I need to face reality and realize mmo's are no longer for me.

edit: typos

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

Daraugh

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

starkerealm wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

If you have an addictive personality, you can't expect the world to change around you.

It is, however, plenty of reason to write several thousand words proclaiming that this change is ***. That's a legitimate option. It's also entirely reasonable to be upset that something you invested considerable time into decides to turn around and bite you later, by introducing mechanics specifically set up to prey upon your issues. At that point, it's entirely reasonable to be somewhat less than enthused about the entire situation.

Then perhaps it's a red flag a person should be aware of. I'm not dismissing anyone not enthused about the boxes, I'd rather see the limited mounts and costumes simply added back to the store on occasion. What does concern me is the level that active players will go to, including deletion and leaving a game they enjoy. If you have a disorder that interferes with your life, only therapy and your own mindset will ever help you gain control over your impulses. Leaving a situation is a stopgap, expecting other to keep an item or activity out of your reach is a bandaid. It helps in the short run but will never fix the root problem. I'm not saying it's easy, not in the least. Mental health is difficult because first you have to understand something about yourself, outside your own usual perception.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

(Edit: felt uncomfortable sharing that much info!)

ESO was my peace and my joy when I needed it. A safe haven. Now? I feel my generosity, support, membership, trust and feedback has been ignored or pointless. The Elder Scrolls has been given a bad name where the people who felt apart of a family, a community, no longer feel valued as such. We feel more like pawns. ZOS may be a business but as their clients I don't feel we are appropriately catered or listened to. The don't respect us so I no longer respect them.

That said, it could just be a crap day at work, an argument with your partner, bills piling up etc. as to why ESO matters to you. This was just a personal view. One which I didn't anticipate sharing.

It's not about what's in the box, it's about who's selling them and why.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Okay, let me just point at the "no lockboxes quote" I know of (there could be more), since some people are not believing it happened.

Here. In retrospect, yes, they did refrain from using a definitive term like "no, never".

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

2 - ZOS said before that they were not going to introduce RNG Boxes. They went back on that and now are introducing RNG Boxes - and with limited items in them, no less. Now, they are saying "No P2W, ever". But how can we trust that they won't go back on that too?

I see this statement quite a bit, but it is starting to sound like an unfounded belief. I want to see the quote, from the Devs, but no one has posted a link, that I have seen. Is this just some invention from the forum, like the one where Firor promised to shut down the game before dropping the subscription model? Something that was never said.

I saw that @Enodoc asked the same thing, and no one has answered.

Pretty sure the F2P comment was a Massively interview with Paul Sage back in 2013. Though it was about the game going free to play, not dropping the subscription.

As I said to Enodoc, I'm relatively certain the lockbox comment was Firor in the immediate aftermath of TU being announced. I thought it was in the Reddit AUA... but it's far more likely it was in the first or second ESO Live broadcast after that announcement.

When TU first got announced, I was ready to walk then, because I seriously thought Lockboxes would be coming in immediately after that. There was a specific question about it in a Q&A round. If it wasn't for that specific statement, I would have been gone then.

So, no, it's not an invention of the forums. I just didn't keep that crap archived, because I was willing to trust them. Obviously, now, that was a mistake.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

Okay, let me just point at the "no lockboxes quote" I know of (there could be more), since some people are not believing it happened.

Here. In retrospect, yes, they did refrain from using a definitive term like "no, never".

There are more, because I remember Firor making a comment to the effect of, "we don't like them either." But, I don't have a citation for it.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Daraugh wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

If you have an addictive personality, you can't expect the world to change around you.

It is, however, plenty of reason to write several thousand words proclaiming that this change is ***. That's a legitimate option. It's also entirely reasonable to be upset that something you invested considerable time into decides to turn around and bite you later, by introducing mechanics specifically set up to prey upon your issues. At that point, it's entirely reasonable to be somewhat less than enthused about the entire situation.

Then perhaps it's a red flag a person should be aware of. I'm not dismissing anyone not enthused about the boxes, I'd rather see the limited mounts and costumes simply added back to the store on occasion. What does concern me is the level that active players will go to, including deletion and leaving a game they enjoy. If you have a disorder that interferes with your life, only therapy and your own mindset will ever help you gain control over your impulses. Leaving a situation is a stopgap, expecting other to keep an item or activity out of your reach is a bandaid. It helps in the short run but will never fix the root problem. I'm not saying it's easy, not in the least. Mental health is difficult because first you have to understand something about yourself, outside your own usual perception.

To be honest, this is one of those things that can completely sour other elements of an experience. I mean, there's nothing about lockboxes that provokes a pathological response from me. However, prior experience from other MMOs does leave a really bad taste in my mouth, so when ZOS says, "yeah, we're adding this," it taints the entire game.

Again, no disorder here (related to lockboxes, anyway), but it just sours everything.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

starkerealm wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

2 - ZOS said before that they were not going to introduce RNG Boxes. They went back on that and now are introducing RNG Boxes - and with limited items in them, no less. Now, they are saying "No P2W, ever". But how can we trust that they won't go back on that too?

I see this statement quite a bit, but it is starting to sound like an unfounded belief. I want to see the quote, from the Devs, but no one has posted a link, that I have seen. Is this just some invention from the forum, like the one where Firor promised to shut down the game before dropping the subscription model? Something that was never said.

I saw that @Enodoc asked the same thing, and no one has answered.

Pretty sure the F2P comment was a Massively interview with Paul Sage back in 2013. Though it was about the game going free to play, not dropping the subscription.

As I said to Enodoc, I'm relatively certain the lockbox comment was Firor in the immediate aftermath of TU being announced. I thought it was in the Reddit AUA... but it's far more likely it was in the first or second ESO Live broadcast after that announcement.

When TU first got announced, I was ready to walk then, because I seriously thought Lockboxes would be coming in immediately after that. There was a specific question about it in a Q&A round. If it wasn't for that specific statement, I would have been gone then.

So, no, it's not an invention of the forums. I just didn't keep that crap archived, because I was willing to trust them. Obviously, now, that was a mistake.

I do think I heard the statement on a video too, but I won't go through the countless videos about the subject. I posted the reddit link where Gina said, and I quote:

"We don't have any plans to add locked RNG boxes. "

So I will use a statement that a Sims developer used when they announced that The Sims 4 wouldn't have the toddler life stage despite him saying a year before that it would: "Things change".

And I think we are absolutely entitled to be upset when "things change".

starkerealm wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Okay, let me just point at the "no lockboxes quote" I know of (there could be more), since some people are not believing it happened.

Here. In retrospect, yes, they did refrain from using a definitive term like "no, never".

There are more, because I remember Firor making a comment to the effect of, "we don't like them either." But, I don't have a citation for it.

I remember that too, but with all the fuss on the last 24h regarding it, it takes a while to find the exact quotes on the internet.

Slylok

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I voted No but at the same time I already bought / buy the cosmetics I want so it doesnt bother me either way.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cazzy wrote: »

Through it all ESO was my peace and my joy when I needed it. A safe haven. Now? I feel my generosity, support, membership, trust and feedback has been ignored or pointless. The Elder Scrolls has been given a bad name where the people who felt apart of a family, a community, no longer feel valued as such. We feel more like pawns.

We all have very personal reasons to fell well in the game and/or with our ingame friends. Those friends are valuable, and the community around you ingame is very valuable too. Because they are people, real people that you've got to know and who got to know you.

But the game itself is not a person, not a living universe, the rules can be changed from one day to the next.
ZOS is not a person. It's a company.
We as a whole call ourselves "community" but we're not a community, not even a group, we're just a crowd.

ZOS, the game or the community cannot receive nor return those things you mention (trust, generosity, support, etc...). This can only happen between humanbeings and those 3 "entities" are not humanbeings.

Be it over the boxes or over something else, you would have been disappointed sooner or later. But remember that it was fun while it lasted (even if it was an illusion) and I hope you'll soon find something - or someone - else as your safe haven - hopefully it will be less of an illusion.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

This thread been up less than 2 days already has 14.5k views and nearly 1000 replys the majority being negative toward cash shop loot boxes............pretty much sums it up

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

helgewjb16_ESO wrote: »

I logged on my pc today to play some more, but not sure if I feel like it anymore.

I am more against One Tamriel than I am the "lucky bags", but I have the same problem. I logged into ESO on Friday, after taking the week off, and just didn't feel it anymore. I logged in today, but just stood there until I got logged out for inactivity.

I am off to my next game. As I type this, the title screen for that game is coming up. No more time for posting in ESO forums.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

Fine - but none of this answers my question.

FireCowCommando

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MacCait wrote: »

No doubt this post will get ignored, but i'll ask anyway...

@ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

RNG lockboxes/loot-boxes: It's not innovative. It's not original in anyway. It also adds nothing to the game in terms of quality, design, good service etc. It's just copying a questionable business model that other MMO's have used in order make a lot of money from it's player base.

You could come up with other fairer ways to make money via crown store. You already do this with new mounts and a variety of cosmetic items, which the community mostly enjoy, and the overall majority of players do not have a problem with (apart the recent trend of over pricing items).

Looking at the heat that this idea has caused in just a couple of days, and at the risk of losing the respect of a large percentage of loyal players...

I would like to ask an honest question: "Why does Zenimax wish to implement this business model to the game?"

Well ZoS did mention BDO's recent changes with a small amount of P2W (its insanely not worth a penny, only whales participate btw), but it does show they are watching their competitors business model. Only about a week ago the quarterly earnings went out for that game, and they are making a lot of money.

These boxes may be in response with what other MMO's are doing to make ESO look like its competitive to investors. Surely its not something a company wants to do in principle, but realistically a company must try to be competitive within its industry.

Beyond just the boxes in general though, having exclusive items in these boxes and not just past limited time items is taking it a step further. Its sad to see them dedicate addition resources to an extra feature like this when the game is riddled with issues that detract from their player bases enjoyment, and that these are not weekly, but daily if not hourly occurrences.

It would be better if ZoS could take the position to not add this feature into the game, at this point they have dedicated too much resources in coders/artists to back out of implementation.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

LMAO !

Abeille wrote: »

Okay, let me just point at the "no lockboxes quote" I know of (there could be more), since some people are not believing it happened.

Here. In retrospect, yes, they did refrain from using a definitive term like "no, never".

We know what was said because we read it . No need to cater to ZOS defense attorneys on forums .

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

FireCowCommando wrote: »

These boxes may be in response with what other MMO's are doing to make ESO look like its competitive to investors.

Except, Zenimax isn't publicly traded, as I recall.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

LMAO !

Abeille wrote: »

Okay, let me just point at the "no lockboxes quote" I know of (there could be more), since some people are not believing it happened.

Here. In retrospect, yes, they did refrain from using a definitive term like "no, never".

We know what was said because we read it . No need to cater to ZOS defense attorneys on forums .

Sorry, I just don't like when people say that I am making stuff up :T

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

helgewjb16_ESO wrote: »

I logged on my pc today to play some more, but not sure if I feel like it anymore.

I am more against One Tamriel than I am the "lucky bags", but I have the same problem. I logged into ESO on Friday, after taking the week off, and just didn't feel it anymore. I logged in today, but just stood there until I got logged out for inactivity.

I am off to my next game. As I type this, the title screen for that game is coming up. No more time for posting in ESO forums.

I'm honestly having a hard time working up the interest to log in and feed the new alts' horses.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

LMAO !

Abeille wrote: »

Okay, let me just point at the "no lockboxes quote" I know of (there could be more), since some people are not believing it happened.

Here. In retrospect, yes, they did refrain from using a definitive term like "no, never".

We know what was said because we read it . No need to cater to ZOS defense attorneys on forums .

Sorry, I just don't like when people say that I am making stuff up :T

It's their problem not yours . Why would anyone bother making that up . We know they said they wouldn't add them and we know they said they didn't like them either and reassured community back at crown store start . So we trusted them . But watch even though the posts are shown the defense attorneys will come up with something new , like it doesn't count or matter blah blah blah . Don't bother with them .

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

LMAO !

Abeille wrote: »

Okay, let me just point at the "no lockboxes quote" I know of (there could be more), since some people are not believing it happened.

Here. In retrospect, yes, they did refrain from using a definitive term like "no, never".

We know what was said because we read it . No need to cater to ZOS defense attorneys on forums .

Sorry, I just don't like when people say that I am making stuff up :T

It's their problem not yours . Why would anyone bother making that up . We know they said they wouldn't add them and we know they said they didn't like them either and reassured community back at crown store start . So we trusted them . But watch even though the posts are shown the defense attorneys will come up with something new , like it doesn't count or matter blah blah blah . Don't bother with them .

Well, it's also nice to know I haven't started to detach from reality, so seeing confirmation that I haven't lost my mind (yet) is somewhat reassuring.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

helgewjb16_ESO wrote: »

I logged on my pc today to play some more, but not sure if I feel like it anymore.

I am more against One Tamriel than I am the "lucky bags", but I have the same problem. I logged into ESO on Friday, after taking the week off, and just didn't feel it anymore. I logged in today, but just stood there until I got logged out for inactivity.

I am off to my next game. As I type this, the title screen for that game is coming up. No more time for posting in ESO forums.

I'm honestly having a hard time working up the interest to log in and feed the new alts' horses.

I've not logged in either. Absolutely no motivation to. Not excited about this month's crown store items either

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@lordrichter what game?