What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

wayfarerx wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

Ive played enough MMOs with this sort of thing to know for a fact that the content will be impacted. Its not speculation. Their team is only so big. And when it comes to making content that will only make so much money versus shineys that will make money hand over fist. Theyll choose the shineys. Because a business will always choose what makes them more money in the short term. The current approach to quarterly and yearly earnings is to out do last quarter and last year. If youre not beating your last best record. Youre not doing well.

New regions of Tamriel take time and money to produce. 6+ months of development time according to ZOS. These mounts, costumes and other random things theyll put in there will take a fraction of that time.

so why did you vote 'yes' then?

This poll is very old and was made when the very first information about crown crates was released. I voted yes under the assumption that they would only contain items that had been removed from the store, not any of this crate-exclusive garbage. I imagine there are many people who wish they could change their vote in this poll.

Agreed on that - i was ok with crates in the beginning before realizing that community will be taunted with exclusive items tgat are practically impossible to obtain without spending at least $150 and up... as well as all the unusable mismatched race/gender specific items, which is ridiculous.

I was willing to give the whole idea benefit of the doubt, but after this thread, interviews, ama on reddit and pts testing i see it for what it is - just a bad, unhealthy way of making people pay more than they'd realize.

BlueViolet

No, don't ever add these into the game.

EQBallzz wrote: »

So you got casino boxes now...what will be next? Leveled up characters for sale? Sets of stat gear? Special weapons only found in boxes you need to purchase keys to open? .

Please, please don't give them ideas. This rubbish box garbage is too much already.
Despite that, personally, the only way I see this F2P crap like boxes going, is exactly the way listed above.

When this game was launched, or even before that actually, we were assured no content would ever be behind a paywall.
We were assured there would never be a cash shop, then we were assured there would be no exclusive items, or silly things like lockboxes.

Now look where the game is
The only thing is seems we can be assured of is that they're going to go back on everything they once prided themselves on NOT doing, and do it.

arasysb14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

With One Tamriel, zone population density will initially increase but if zones start dying again then this time we'll know game's population is really dying. So ZOS will implement more aggressive means to encourage people to move on to further stages in customer lifecycle for squeezing more money out of players while they still can.

Once game's emptier, target customers' will have less reason to spend lots of money to get exclusive items. At that point ZOS would need to make crown store items more visible to new potential customers, which means further need for new players.
I guess that's when we can expect f2p transition. That's why they have a new marketing manager who has background in such projects.

BlueViolet wrote: »

Now look where the game is
The only thing is seems we can be assured of is that they're going to go back on everything they once prided themselves on NOT doing, and do it.

This is the last straw or a wake up call for a lot of ESO fans because recent news somewhat revealed what to expect from average quality of service on top of continuous disillusionment. I don't think game will feel the same once crates are on live, and this is not as simple as adapting to some in-game changes like changing power balance among classes. Because it affects the immersion / core texture of the game.

Eiagra

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I wonder if it would be appropriate to create a new poll. "Now that you've had a chance to see the crates for yourself, what do you think?"

1.) Positive: "I have tested the crates, and I like the direction it's headed."
2.) Positive: "I have NOT tested the creates, and I like the idea of them."
3.) Neutral: "I have tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
4.) Neutral: "I have NOT tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
5.) Negative: "I have tested the creates and I want these crates to go away!"
6.) Negative: "I have NOT tested the crates, and don't want them in the game!"
7.) Other: "My feelings are more complex than this (comment below), or this is not applicable."

With one existing poll and one official thread, though, I'm not sure the forum moderators would feel that a new poll would be valuable. It would, since it's marking a different--though related--type of data, so the metrics would be more up-to-date as it were. But that doesn't mean the moderators would agree.

Epona222

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I've been on the PTS and have so far spent the equivalent of around $350 on crates.
There are 2 mounts, 3 pets, and a hat in the crown crates that I would happily buy outright.
My equivalent of $350 (in free crowns, because it's PTS) has got me 1 pet I wanted, and enough gems to buy 3 other legendary items (but insufficient to buy 1 apex item). And a load of tat that I don't want (including items that I can't use because I don't have an Argonian).

Basically the stuff I would buy is extortionately expensive this way (to the point where it seems that Zeni are deliberately targeting people who have a weakness for games of chance), and I will not be buying these crates on live.

At the very least, they need to put the drop rate chance in a tooltip so that it doesn't seem quite so exploitative - I think at first people will buy them because they think they stand a chance of getting something good, but the drop rate for apex items is (for me on the PTS) none in $350 worth of crates, and the drop rate for legendary is 2 in $350 worth of crates.

MissBizz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Eiagra wrote: »

I wonder if it would be appropriate to create a new poll. "Now that you've had a chance to see the crates for yourself, what do you think?"

1.) Positive: "I have tested the crates, and I like the direction it's headed."
2.) Positive: "I have NOT tested the creates, and I like the idea of them."
3.) Neutral: "I have tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
4.) Neutral: "I have NOT tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
5.) Negative: "I have tested the creates and I want these crates to go away!"
6.) Negative: "I have NOT tested the crates, and don't want them in the game!"
7.) Other: "My feelings are more complex than this (comment below), or this is not applicable."

With one existing poll and one official thread, though, I'm not sure the forum moderators would feel that a new poll would be valuable. It would, since it's marking a different--though related--type of data, so the metrics would be more up-to-date as it were. But that doesn't mean the moderators would agree.

@Eiagra I think a new poll would be beneficial. Maybe mail a moderator and ask? I imagine they could close this one and allow us to use the newer poll as the main megathread.

JamilaRaj

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

Epona222 wrote: »

At the very least, they need to put the drop rate chance in a tooltip so that it doesn't seem quite so exploitative.

Yeah, but that could give away whole scam, because good 3 to 5 % of players could then calculate cost of items in scamboxes. And if someone wrote an addon *gulp!*, remaining imbeciles could know how much they are too!!!

EDIT: except for the addonless on consoles.

Neirymn

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Eiagra wrote: »

I wonder if it would be appropriate to create a new poll. "Now that you've had a chance to see the crates for yourself, what do you think?"

1.) Positive: "I have tested the crates, and I like the direction it's headed."
2.) Positive: "I have NOT tested the creates, and I like the idea of them."
3.) Neutral: "I have tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
4.) Neutral: "I have NOT tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
5.) Negative: "I have tested the creates and I want these crates to go away!"
6.) Negative: "I have NOT tested the crates, and don't want them in the game!"
7.) Other: "My feelings are more complex than this (comment below), or this is not applicable."

With one existing poll and one official thread, though, I'm not sure the forum moderators would feel that a new poll would be valuable. It would, since it's marking a different--though related--type of data, so the metrics would be more up-to-date as it were. But that doesn't mean the moderators would agree.

6 from me.

I've seen them tested on PTS but not tested them myself and I don't like them. Not enough crown gems from items you already own, too many exclusives items and way too many crowns spent to, maybe, never get what you'd like to get from them, unless you have too much money and can do nothing better than buying 50k crowns or more per season with your cash.

If you just buy them because you don't know what to buy from the CS and don't expect anything from them, it's kinda fun to open those crates but if you do want somehting from them, that's the opposite and as I tend not to have luck in those kind of mini games, I dislike the crates.

But well, I dislike the whole idea of a cash shop, even if the crown store is kinda fair and not P2W imo, I would have loved that the mandatory subscription stayed so we could earn all the shiny CS stuff in game. I'm the kind of player that likes to have or at least be able to get every single thing in a game, but as I cannot afford them all, even before the crates, that won't change anything to me, but I still don't like them and may not ever spend my crowns on them.

Atarax

No, don't ever add these into the game.

52% say no. I agree with the majority after having played SWTOR. I would much prefer the reward items simply be purchasable directly with crowns. Despite having purchased lots of crown store items, this is one I will not be purchasing no matter how good the "Apex" item is.

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Eiagra wrote: »

I wonder if it would be appropriate to create a new poll. "Now that you've had a chance to see the crates for yourself, what do you think?"

1.) Positive: "I have tested the crates, and I like the direction it's headed."
2.) Positive: "I have NOT tested the creates, and I like the idea of them."
3.) Neutral: "I have tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
4.) Neutral: "I have NOT tested the crates, and my feelings are neutral."
5.) Negative: "I have tested the creates and I want these crates to go away!"
6.) Negative: "I have NOT tested the crates, and don't want them in the game!"
7.) Other: "My feelings are more complex than this (comment below), or this is not applicable."

With one existing poll and one official thread, though, I'm not sure the forum moderators would feel that a new poll would be valuable. It would, since it's marking a different--though related--type of data, so the metrics would be more up-to-date as it were. But that doesn't mean the moderators would agree.

7.) When I first heard about it I didnt know exactly how it would work but I was okay with cosmetic as its not P2W and avoids the eventual power creep that sort of thing introduces into games. Just look to Star Trek Online for how that sort of gamble box works. Every few Lockbox Seasons and a new level of power is introduced. There was a time when 10-15k DPS was the top end for Endgamers. But since the introduction of Lockboxes and new more powerful ships and devices 150k is now the new norm. They now have Mobs with hundreds of thousands if not millions of HP so that players can feel like they arent popping everything in an instant.

So I was okay with things remaining cosmetic. But the fact is, even if its just cosmetic if its successful its going to sap more and more resources and development time that could of been utilized for playable content like Orsinium. And as a customer who regularly pays for a subscription and also drops a good bit of cash into the shop from time to time. Im not okay with playable content being impacted. Thats why I pay the sub and its why I drop extra cash into the store. So that they wouldnt ever have to turn to this sort of business model. If they had the resources to devote to the Crates without sapping playable content development Id probably not care so much. But as far as Im aware they arent hiring more people than they were the last time I looked into it.

Tarrtarus

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I doubt it will be read, but I would like to add some context for my vote and my position on these crates.

I used to purchase Crowns regularly on top of my monthly subscription for both my wife's and my own account. Every time there was a sale we would each purchase $50 worth of crowns, and also buy Crowns here and there on the side. We had no issues with purchasing limited time items that were way more expensive than the standard items. It was clear and concise. We wanted those fancy Tamriel Hero armor sets? Done. Fancy lightning panther? Done. But these gambling crates just feel like a dirty cash grab.

I am fine with them up until the point you add items that are exclusively from the crates, period. Retired items that were once in the store? Sure, I missed out, I made the choice, so now it will cost extra. I get it. But brand new mounts that will only ever be available in the shop at an exceptionally low rate is ridiculous. This is predatory marketing and is not consumer friendly. I was under the impression that ZOS was a good company and I felt comfortable spending upwards of $300 a month on your game, but this has really left a foul taste in my mouth. I purchased $50 worth of Crowns and a month's sub just before this announcement and have yet to log back into the game, or even consider spending my current Crowns or purchasing more until this plan is scrapped. Keep the loot crates if you like, just remove the permanent exclusivity and I think a lot of people would be a lot less frustrated. I get that you're a business and you have to make money, but this isn't the way to do it if you respect the relationship you have with your customers and supporters.

Think about what you are doing. As of this posting you have nearly 4,000 responses. 75,000 page views for this one thread alone. The community back-lash to these should be very apparent.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

LegendaryTarrtarus_ESO wrote: »

I doubt it will be read, but I would like to add some context for my vote and my position on these crates.

I used to purchase Crowns regularly on top of my monthly subscription for both my wife's and my own account. Every time there was a sale we would each purchase $50 worth of crowns, and also buy Crowns here and there on the side. We had no issues with purchasing limited time items that were way more expensive than the standard items. It was clear and concise. We wanted those fancy Tamriel Hero armor sets? Done. Fancy lightning panther? Done. But these gambling crates just feel like a dirty cash grab.

I am fine with them up until the point you add items that are exclusively from the crates, period. Retired items that were once in the store? Sure, I missed out, I made the choice, so now it will cost extra. I get it. But brand new mounts that will only ever be available in the shop at an exceptionally low rate is ridiculous. This is predatory marketing and is not consumer friendly. I was under the impression that ZOS was a good company and I felt comfortable spending upwards of $300 a month on your game, but this has really left a foul taste in my mouth. I purchased $50 worth of Crowns and a month's sub just before this announcement and have yet to log back into the game, or even consider spending my current Crowns or purchasing more until this plan is scrapped. Keep the loot crates if you like, just remove the permanent exclusivity and I think a lot of people would be a lot less frustrated. I get that you're a business and you have to make money, but this isn't the way to do it if you respect the relationship you have with your customers and supporters.

Think about what you are doing. As of this posting you have nearly 4,000 responses. 75,000 page views for this one thread alone. The community back-lash to these should be very apparent.

I never spent that much, but I did spend a lot. This is the way I think many feel, myself included.

DYSEQTA

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Epona222 wrote: »

I've been on the PTS and have so far spent the equivalent of around $350 on crates.
There are 2 mounts, 3 pets, and a hat in the crown crates that I would happily buy outright.
My equivalent of $350 (in free crowns, because it's PTS) has got me 1 pet I wanted, and enough gems to buy 3 other legendary items (but insufficient to buy 1 apex item). And a load of tat that I don't want (including items that I can't use because I don't have an Argonian).

Basically the stuff I would buy is extortionately expensive this way (to the point where it seems that Zeni are deliberately targeting people who have a weakness for games of chance), and I will not be buying these crates on live.

Quoting this for truth. This is the truth that people need to see and that ZOS need their immoral faces rubbed in. It is exploitative, psychologically manipulative, and downright disgusting behaviour.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Atarax wrote: »

52% say no. I agree with the majority after having played SWTOR. I would much prefer the reward items simply be purchasable directly with crowns. Despite having purchased lots of crown store items, this is one I will not be purchasing no matter how good the "Apex" item is.

Its actually 67% or 947 accounts have come to forums to vote against, I come to this statistic because two of the questions are actually against crown crates in the poll whereas the three other questions are positives and 424 accounts have voted in favor... And of those 424 I wonder how many have now changed their mind?

No one has changed there mind in favor of, and that says something.

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

Atarax wrote: »

52% say no. I agree with the majority after having played SWTOR. I would much prefer the reward items simply be purchasable directly with crowns. Despite having purchased lots of crown store items, this is one I will not be purchasing no matter how good the "Apex" item is.

Its actually 67% or 947 accounts have come to forums to vote against, I come to this statistic because two of the questions are actually against crown crates in the poll whereas the three other questions are positives and 424 accounts have voted in favor... And of those 424 I wonder how many have now changed their mind?

No one has changed there mind in favor of, and that says something.

Yeah with the results being published around the web from the Crown Crates on the PTS, there would be way more people in the vote NO camp.

After seeing what the Crown Crates look like myself, I can't believe they actually will go forward with this move. It's so slimy and shameful. Most ZOS employees must be down to their last shred of dignity by now.

Edit: speeling

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

BlueViolet wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

So you got casino boxes now...what will be next? Leveled up characters for sale? Sets of stat gear? Special weapons only found in boxes you need to purchase keys to open? .

Please, please don't give them ideas. This rubbish box garbage is too much already.
Despite that, personally, the only way I see this F2P crap like boxes going, is exactly the way listed above.

When this game was launched, or even before that actually, we were assured no content would ever be behind a paywall.
We were assured there would never be a cash shop, then we were assured there would be no exclusive items, or silly things like lockboxes.

Now look where the game is
The only thing is seems we can be assured of is that they're going to go back on everything they once prided themselves on NOT doing, and do it.

Yep.. which is rather unfortunate, given how much I DO like this game, and have enjoyed the friends I've made here. And it just rubs more salt in the wound watching them celebrate this horrible cash-grab lunacy with such a blatant disregard for at least HALF of their playerbase being staunchly opposed to it, and very likely even more than that! If they really cared about what their players think, they would pop up with an in game poll asking for players opinions.

But, given how they treat us here on their own official forum, I doubt they'd even do anything with the results, let alone make them public and change their minds.

At least @ZOS_GinaBruno seems to genuinely care about us. None of this is directed at you, Gina.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

With One Tamriel, zone population density will initially increase but if zones start dying again then this time we'll know game's population is really dying.

The megaserver really does not work this way. Each zone has a maximum, which is probably a few hundred players. Once the number of people who want to be in that zone exceeds this, it becomes impossible to tell how many players are online because the zone population does not appear to grow. We won't know the server is "dead" until the average zone population across the entire game drops significantly below that maximum capacity during peak hours for the megaserver.

nimander99 wrote: »

Its actually 67% or 947 accounts have come to forums to vote against, I come to this statistic because two of the questions are actually against crown crates in the poll whereas the three other questions are positives and 424 accounts have voted in favor... And of those 424 I wonder how many have now changed their mind?

I voted Yes based on the description available at the time, which did not include exclusives. I changed my "Yes" to a "Likely Yes" after reading about the exclusives. I don't fret about exclusives. If I can't buy them, I can't buy them. Bummer, but I don't view that as my loss.

However, after seeing what they implemented, I realized that they put more effort into polishing this one new system than they did with appearance change, or costume dyes, or guild traders... pretty much every system they have rolled out since launch. We have already lost so much of what ESO could have been, and we will never get that back. Makes me sad. Changed my Yes to a No.

Slurg

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Someone did a poll specific to the PTS implementation of the crates here if you want to vote there:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/293736/what-do-you-think-of-crown-crates-new-poll-for-pts-implementation/p1

ZOS_DaryaK

As this discussion has gotten quite long, a new poll has been initiated and we are closing this thread.