What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

senhavran wrote: »

@Lysette and @Cazzy will it be more "acceptable" if we can get one of those crates for each months we subscribe or some crown gems like ESO Plus members already get crowns?

I said it before - if you could get just 1 box like every other day, the problem would be solved - you could spend 6k on those boxes per month, but those 6k will not derail a person's life, not even if they are ICD people.

It would be more like normal people play lottery - just a ticket or two and if they are lucky, fine, but most likely they will get nothing of value. There is no expectation to win, it is just for fun in this case.

Garldeen · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Avenias wrote: »

Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

Not I. I have just deleted all my characters and emailed support requesting deletion of my account and personal data. So, I wont be. A one man protest wont do much, but not givng any more money to a company who feels this is a way to treat customers, will make me feel better at least.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Sinolai wrote: »

As long as the items are also offered in Crown stores and not "Speciall loot: Only in Random Boxes!". I like the mechanism how it also has a chance to give items that are not avaliable anymore. Though I won't recommend people to start buying these only to get that Battlemage Palatine costume, it's still cool item for someone who never had a chance to buy it.

It's going to include "special loot: only in random boxes." That was part of the initial announcement. It just wasn't part of the initial reddit thread.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Avenias wrote: »

Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

Not me, I can go into a casino just for talking to people at the bar without to ever gamble at all. I do not like gambling. But I have seen there how people behave, who suffer from a gambling addiction.

anitajoneb17_ESO · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Daraugh · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@Daraugh : I hate to break it to you but...

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

Emphasis mine. Here is the original post if you're curious.

Well if they modify it to remove filler stuff, I'm ok with it. As far as the whole gambling thing, it's the same as a collectable card game. You get the common cards, a couple of uncommon and one rare with a shot at some ultra rare. I expect the chance will be tuned to reflect the original cost of a given mount or costume. Spend 400 crowns, get a chance but over time, spending 3000 crowns will get you a rare mount like the Frost Mare which iirc was 3k.

If you have an addictive personality, you can't expect the world to change around you. You can change yourself, get support through a therapist and take control of your own life. Expecting a company to hold your hand through your own personal problems is a sign of other issues that also need attention and support.

Neirymn · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

wonkydog wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

Not I. I have just deleted all my characters and emailed support requesting deletion of my account and personal data. So, I wont be. A one man protest wont do much, but not givng any more money to a company who feels this is a way to treat customers, will make me feel better at least.

Wow that is extreme, are you sure you won't regret that? I might not buy them myself because I don't want to waste my money on potions and stuff like that but I'm not against it as long as it's only cosmetics.

I can understand that people with control disorder can have problems with this system but I don't really get why it is such an issue for some of you at the point that you may quit the game, it doesn't affect the gameplay. Also, I'm a bit saddened that people like Lysette et Cazzy, very active on these forums and who seemed very invested in the game, may leave.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Enodoc wrote: »

Does anyone have a direct quote and source of the comment where ZOS said they would never do lockboxes?

I was initially thinking this was from a Reddit AUA, but in retrospect, it might, very well, have been from an ESO Live episode after the Unlimited announcement, in which case, that's a lot of video to parse, just to satisfy someone that said, "yeah, but I don't remember it, so it didn't happen."

elvenmad · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Are these 'exclusive' items permanent? are they account wide?

Just thinking asTera eu did a similar thing with boxes with 'exclusive' items only they took it a step further, yes the boxes did drop rare mounts,costumes and pets BUT the twist was they had an expiry date most had a 7 day period the rare ones had 30 days and then 6 months later they had them available to purchase outright and permanent and account wide for insane prices in their cash shop

Also just to add, Tera EU started out as boxes with 'cosmetic' items too but eventually they included and ended up being the main source of required gear upgrade mats and consumables, which is why players left, THIS is what I see in the future here too.

Daraugh · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

But in reality, it's a box with unnecessary cosmetics in a game. It's not slavery, women's rights or advancements in technology.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

senhavran wrote: »

wonkydog wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

Not I. I have just deleted all my characters and emailed support requesting deletion of my account and personal data. So, I wont be. A one man protest wont do much, but not givng any more money to a company who feels this is a way to treat customers, will make me feel better at least.

Wow that is extreme, are you sure you won't regret that? I might not buy them myself because I don't want to waste my money on potions and stuff like that but I'm not against it as long as it's only cosmetics.

I can understand that people with control disorder can have problems with this system but I don't really get why it is such an issue for some of you at the point that you may quit the game, it doesn't affect the gameplay. Also, I'm a bit saddened that people like Lysette et Cazzy, very active on these forums and who seemed very invested in the game, may leave.

I am not leaving for about a year - my ESO+ is running out August 2017 - but I stopped paying and nothing will make me pay for this game again as long as those boxes will be there. And even if they would be removed, my spendings would be drastically reduced, because I do not trust that ZOS will not just wait for us to buy houses and then reintroduce those boxes. My trust is lost and maybe nothing can bring it back - they lied a couple of times already, I cannot trust them anymore.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Daraugh wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

But in reality, it's a box with unnecessary cosmetics in a game. It's not slavery, women's rights or advancements in technology.

It is preying on people who have an impulse control disorder or a tendency to it - those will not buy just a couple of boxes per year, they will buy hundreds of boxes, if not even thousands - if ZOS would limit the amount which can be bought to like 15 or at most 30 boxes per month, I would be ok with it - but not in this unlimited form, because it will harm ICD people.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@Enodoc, to expand a little. I know they made the promise, and it has to have been in the immediate aftermath of Tamriel Unlimited getting announced, because I've had prior experiences with MMOs using lockbox systems, and it was a non-trivial factor in my decision to come back.

I didn't save a link at the time, because I trusted them to keep their word on that point. If I hadn't trusted them, then I obviously wouldn't have come back at all. So it sets up an annoying paradox now.

Though, the short version is, I'm saying, they made this promise and went back on in which is why I am unwilling to trust them on any of their promises regarding this, not why you need to. For the latter, I'm quite happy to point at every prior MMO that's introduced a lockbox system on the promise of it being cosmetic only, which then turned around and started chucking statistical advantages into their bags to keep people paying.

Nifty2g · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

i dont see an issue, theyre just trying to get some money to help development and keeping people around? i really dunno why so people are against this

Waseem · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Its a matter of time before more tempting to purchase mystery boxes arrive to crownstore.. Name, class change tokens, motifs and what not... The 1% chance to get a mount will have enough people buying it to keep zenimax throwing more plushy mystery boxes

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Nifty2g wrote: »

i dont see an issue, theyre just trying to get some money to help development and keeping people around? i really dunno why so people are against this

Reading through those 30 pages will inform you about this - then you will know.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Nifty2g wrote: »

i dont see an issue, theyre just trying to get some money to help development and keeping people around? i really dunno why so people are against this

Because they won't do either of those things. The people who will sit around at home spending 5 grand a month on these things were going to be in the game either way. The money that comes out of the box sales will initially go into development, but eventually it will distort over into prioritizing development on future box content, and not game content, simply because the RoI is so much better.

JD2013 · August 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

Okay, so I have to ask in a very calm and rational manner. Because I actually do respect your opinions on these forums. You've been here a long while and made a lot of good and insightful posts and discussions.

But how in the divines did we get from lockboxes to slavery and not thinking we could vote for a woman president? Because I'm pretty sure that one of these things is not like the other. Seriously. People who willingly pay for a service are not victims. Not everyone is a victim of the big, evil corporate machine. Not everyone in the world needs wrapping up in cotton wool and protecting. This is a video game. A thing that people play to get away from the real world.

Now, I completely agree that this is a form of gambling. They have had such things in many, many other games. Specifically mobile games and MMO's. People have the free will to spend their hard earned money in whatever manner is befitting to them without people telling them that it's wrong or naughty and shame on them.

Now I also get that there's a very small percentage of people that have addictive personalities and go for the thrill of the gamble. But not everyone is like that. ZOS aren't targeting these people. They are a company, and companies have to make money to exist. Without any revenue, this game would not exist, they couldn't pay their staff, pay for technology and servers and all of their overheads.

Lockboxes don't bother me. Nothing like that has ever appealed to me. I get that you personally don't like them. But at the end of the day, you don't even have to open the crown store tab in the game if you don't want to. I've opened it a handful of times in all my time here.

I feel this is being blown out of all proportion. That's my feelings and I'm entitled to them just as you and everyone else on this forum is. This isn't ZOS targeting anyone, they're just doing as every other corporate machine does. Nothing more. There's no great evil here.

Daraugh · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

Daraugh wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

But in reality, it's a box with unnecessary cosmetics in a game. It's not slavery, women's rights or advancements in technology.

It is preying on people who have an impulse control disorder or a tendency to it - those will not buy just a couple of boxes per year, they will buy hundreds of boxes, if not even thousands - if ZOS would limit the amount which can be bought to like 15 or at most 30 boxes per month, I would be ok with it - but not in this unlimited form, because it will harm ICD people.

If you have an addictive personality, you can't expect the world to change around you. You can change yourself, get support through a therapist and take control of your own life. Expecting a company to hold your hand through your own personal problems is a sign of other issues that also need attention and support. This isn't a public concern, it's a private issue that specific to the individual. Taking responsibility for your own issues will help far more than anything ever posted on a game forum.

If a simple thing like a box in a video game can cause distress to such levels, than that individual needs to go see a therapist. I'm not saying this out of vitriol or dismissal but out of compassion for anyone who can't enjoy their life fully because of a disorder than can be managed.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Waseem wrote: »

Its a matter of time before more tempting to purchase mystery boxes arrive to crownstore.. Name, class change tokens, motifs and what not... The 1% chance to get a mount will have enough people buying it to keep zenimax throwing more plushy mystery boxes

Oh man, sticking the motifs on the prize list would be a hilarious *** you to players. Since it could always pay out with a bound book, even if you've already collected the motif on your crafter. I hadn't even though of that.

Garldeen · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

senhavran wrote: »

wonkydog wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

Not I. I have just deleted all my characters and emailed support requesting deletion of my account and personal data. So, I wont be. A one man protest wont do much, but not givng any more money to a company who feels this is a way to treat customers, will make me feel better at least.

Wow that is extreme, are you sure you won't regret that? I might not buy them myself because I don't want to waste my money on potions and stuff like that but I'm not against it as long as it's only cosmetics.

I can understand that people with control disorder can have problems with this system but I don't really get why it is such an issue for some of you at the point that you may quit the game, it doesn't affect the gameplay. Also, I'm a bit saddened that people like Lysette et Cazzy, very active on these forums and who seemed very invested in the game, may leave.

Nope, not in the least. I don't have any issues with self-control or addiction, I play games for fun and this move has taken the fun out of the game for me. I was already becoming increasingly uncomfortable with the exploitation around the pricing of new mounts/costumes and the name/race changes, this was the thing which pushed me over the edge, as it were.I purchased none of the aforementioned items and wouldn't have if they were only half the price, I just felt that it was very wrong when they know so many people are collectors and like to have everything, while at the same time the game remains full of bugs which will never get fixed - group finder, movement speed, to name just two. I very much enjoyed my 2 years with the game, had some great fun in groups, but I am choosing not to be part of the direction it is taking.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Daraugh wrote: »

If you have an addictive personality, you can't expect the world to change around you.

It is, however, plenty of reason to write several thousand words proclaiming that this change is ***. That's a legitimate option. It's also entirely reasonable to be upset that something you invested considerable time into decides to turn around and bite you later, by introducing mechanics specifically set up to prey upon your issues. At that point, it's entirely reasonable to be somewhat less than enthused about the entire situation.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

Okay, so I have to ask in a very calm and rational manner. Because I actually do respect your opinions on these forums. You've been here a long while and made a lot of good and insightful posts and discussions.

But how in the divines did we get from lockboxes to slavery and not thinking we could vote for a woman president? Because I'm pretty sure that one of these things is not like the other. Seriously. People who willingly pay for a service are not victims. Not everyone is a victim of the big, evil corporate machine. Not everyone in the world needs wrapping up in cotton wool and protecting. This is a video game. A thing that people play to get away from the real world.

Now, I completely agree that this is a form of gambling. They have had such things in many, many other games. Specifically mobile games and MMO's. People have the free will to spend their hard earned money in whatever manner is befitting to them without people telling them that it's wrong or naughty and shame on them.

Now I also get that there's a very small percentage of people that have addictive personalities and go for the thrill of the gamble. But not everyone is like that. ZOS aren't targeting these people. They are a company, and companies have to make money to exist. Without any revenue, this game would not exist, they couldn't pay their staff, pay for technology and servers and all of their overheads.

Lockboxes don't bother me. Nothing like that has ever appealed to me. I get that you personally don't like them. But at the end of the day, you don't even have to open the crown store tab in the game if you don't want to. I've opened it a handful of times in all my time here.

I feel this is being blown out of all proportion. That's my feelings and I'm entitled to them just as you and everyone else on this forum is. This isn't ZOS targeting anyone, they're just doing as every other corporate machine does. Nothing more. There's no great evil here.

One addict will most likely buy more boxes than a hundred normal players - this is what makes it so attractive to have these gambling boxes at all for the company - normal people will just buy a few boxes for the fun of it - if they are lucky, fine, if not as well fine. So there is nothing to gain from normal people, what could not be gained as well by directly selling them these items. This gambling box thing is specifically designed to prey on ICD personalities, because they cannot help it, they will have to buy these boxes to a point, where it can really get critical for their real life - and this is the evil part of the deal.

Edit: the point I wanted to make about the fool comment - all the people, who changed the world, were at some point in their history called fools by "normal" people. If it would not be about those fools, nothing would have ever changed to the better - in all areas of life - that is what I wanted to show with it - these fools, in all kind of areas of life, were those making a difference and we would not be where we are now, if it would not be about those fools.

Neirymn · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

senhavran wrote: »

wonkydog wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

Not I. I have just deleted all my characters and emailed support requesting deletion of my account and personal data. So, I wont be. A one man protest wont do much, but not givng any more money to a company who feels this is a way to treat customers, will make me feel better at least.

Wow that is extreme, are you sure you won't regret that? I might not buy them myself because I don't want to waste my money on potions and stuff like that but I'm not against it as long as it's only cosmetics.

I can understand that people with control disorder can have problems with this system but I don't really get why it is such an issue for some of you at the point that you may quit the game, it doesn't affect the gameplay. Also, I'm a bit saddened that people like Lysette et Cazzy, very active on these forums and who seemed very invested in the game, may leave.

I am not leaving for about a year - my ESO+ is running out August 2017 - but I stopped paying and nothing will make me pay for this game again as long as those boxes will be there. And even if they would be removed, my spendings would be drastically reduced, because I do not trust that ZOS will not just wait for us to buy houses and then reintroduce those boxes. My trust is lost and maybe nothing can bring it back - they lied a couple of times already, I cannot trust them anymore.

In one year, a lot of things can happen, maybe you'll change your mind, who knows? As long as they don't announce a F2P model and introduced P2W gear and items into the CS, I am fine with those crates.

I'll be more upset if housing is to be a crown store only feature, I was already a little disappointed with the style parlor being CS exclusive, I would have loved to pay gold in game to a face sculptor like in Skyrim to do basic appearance changes.

I don't like cash shops in MMO's in general and prefer pay to play games, but I think that the crown store with this buy to play model is somewhat fair. Of course, I'd like to have everything but can't afford them all so that's a bit frustating but it doesn't affect my gameplay and my chances at wining in game so I am pretty happy with ESO atm.

Garldeen · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Nifty2g wrote: »

i dont see an issue, theyre just trying to get some money to help development and keeping people around? i really dunno why so people are against this

Make a quality product - dlc, base game etc and people will buy it. A company shouldn't have to rely on grubby money grabbing tactics like this to pay the bills. I doubt if it is even needed, it is a greed move. The income from it is far too unreliable to be 'important' for every day needs. People say 'oh, but server costs etc' true, but that should be factored into the pricing of the DLC. You don't pick up a tin of beans in the supermarket for 30pence and then they expect you to buy a random food box at the check out in order to keep the lights on.

JD2013 · August 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It was about making a stand to make a difference in the long run - if all would just be like you, nothing would ever change.
And with this i end the talk with you for today, because you are quite insulting today and I am not willing to argue with you any longer.

LoL I'm not insulting.
I try to make you stop making a fool of yourself but obviously I can't help you with that.

If all would be like you, noone would stand up for important things because they would all be busy demonstrating against lockboxes in videogames.

Well I am ok with being a fool, if people with not much imagination are calling me a fool - then I am in the same group of fools, like those who really thought there could be a carriage without a horse or that things heavier than air could fly or that a machine could compute, or that people could actually vote a black president or a woman even - I am proud to be a fool in this case, because in the end those saying that we are fools, are the real fools.

Okay, so I have to ask in a very calm and rational manner. Because I actually do respect your opinions on these forums. You've been here a long while and made a lot of good and insightful posts and discussions.

But how in the divines did we get from lockboxes to slavery and not thinking we could vote for a woman president? Because I'm pretty sure that one of these things is not like the other. Seriously. People who willingly pay for a service are not victims. Not everyone is a victim of the big, evil corporate machine. Not everyone in the world needs wrapping up in cotton wool and protecting. This is a video game. A thing that people play to get away from the real world.

Now, I completely agree that this is a form of gambling. They have had such things in many, many other games. Specifically mobile games and MMO's. People have the free will to spend their hard earned money in whatever manner is befitting to them without people telling them that it's wrong or naughty and shame on them.

Now I also get that there's a very small percentage of people that have addictive personalities and go for the thrill of the gamble. But not everyone is like that. ZOS aren't targeting these people. They are a company, and companies have to make money to exist. Without any revenue, this game would not exist, they couldn't pay their staff, pay for technology and servers and all of their overheads.

Lockboxes don't bother me. Nothing like that has ever appealed to me. I get that you personally don't like them. But at the end of the day, you don't even have to open the crown store tab in the game if you don't want to. I've opened it a handful of times in all my time here.

I feel this is being blown out of all proportion. That's my feelings and I'm entitled to them just as you and everyone else on this forum is. This isn't ZOS targeting anyone, they're just doing as every other corporate machine does. Nothing more. There's no great evil here.

One addict will most likely buy more boxes than a hundred normal players - this is what makes it so attractive to have these gambling boxes at all for the company - normal people will just buy a few boxes for the fun of it - if they are lucky, fine, if not as well fine. So there is nothing to gain from normal people, what could not be gained as well by directly selling them these items. This gambling box thing is specifically designed to prey on ICD personalities, because they cannot help it, they will have to buy these boxes to a point, where it can really get critical for the real life - and this is the evil part of the deal.

I'm sorry but I see this as an illogical fallacy. To ZOS, you're not a disorder to take advantage of. You're a customer. A number that they make money off. Sure they interact with the community here etc but at the end of the day that's what you are. Someone who puts money in their coffers.

Lucius_Aelius · August 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

I've been thinking about this since they announced it, and even if they're just cosmetic items this is just something that I cannot support (and certainly won't be making use of myself). Random rewards being tied to real money is perverse, and indicative of nothing besides pure greed on the part of ZOS. Making money is one thing, they'll stop supporting the game if ZOS doesn't keep making a profit, but this is something that goes far past what can be justified by that and is just bad form on their part.

There's plenty of money to be made by creating quality content and charging people fair prices for it (directly and not through lottery boxes), the only reason to do this is because they can't help themselves and are being utterly overwhelmed by greed, no matter how much they make they just want more, more, more. It's just sad really, I was a supporter of the Crown Store largely because it helped to prevent a system like this from being added (or at least took away the need for it since they had a perfectly good ongoing source of revenue), and now I cannot keep supporting ZOS and their greed.

I won't stop playing the game until I see where this goes, but I was already done buying anything besides DLC's at this point, so any more money they get from me will be limited to buying DLC Zones and pretty much nothing else (possibly literally nothing else). It sets a dark precedent for this game's future though, and if it goes much farther than it already has then I shudder to think about what this game might become, and a day may come when it stops being worth playing as a result of this idiocy.

MacCait · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

No doubt this post will get ignored, but i'll ask anyway...

@ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

RNG lockboxes/loot-boxes: It's not innovative. It's not original in anyway. It also adds nothing to the game in terms of quality, design, good service etc. It's just copying a questionable 'gambling' business model that other MMO's have used in order make a lot of money from it's player base.

You could come up with other fairer ways to make money via crown store. You already do this with new mounts and a variety of cosmetic items, which the community mostly enjoy, and the overall majority of players do not have a problem with (apart the recent trend of over pricing items).

Looking at the heat that this idea has caused in just a couple of days, and at the risk of losing the respect of a large percentage of loyal players...

I would like to ask an honest question: "Why does Zenimax wish to implement this business model to the game?"

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

senhavran wrote: »

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Do u guys know whats the best part of this discussion? Everyone of u will end up buying those boxes at one point or another.

Not I. I have just deleted all my characters and emailed support requesting deletion of my account and personal data. So, I wont be. A one man protest wont do much, but not givng any more money to a company who feels this is a way to treat customers, will make me feel better at least.

Wow that is extreme, are you sure you won't regret that? I might not buy them myself because I don't want to waste my money on potions and stuff like that but I'm not against it as long as it's only cosmetics.

I can understand that people with control disorder can have problems with this system but I don't really get why it is such an issue for some of you at the point that you may quit the game, it doesn't affect the gameplay. Also, I'm a bit saddened that people like Lysette et Cazzy, very active on these forums and who seemed very invested in the game, may leave.

I am not leaving for about a year - my ESO+ is running out August 2017 - but I stopped paying and nothing will make me pay for this game again as long as those boxes will be there. And even if they would be removed, my spendings would be drastically reduced, because I do not trust that ZOS will not just wait for us to buy houses and then reintroduce those boxes. My trust is lost and maybe nothing can bring it back - they lied a couple of times already, I cannot trust them anymore.

In one year, a lot of things can happen, maybe you'll change your mind, who knows? As long as they don't announce a F2P model and introduced P2W gear and items into the CS, I am fine with those crates.

I'll be more upset if housing is to be a crown store only feature, I was already a little disappointed with the style parlor being CS exclusive, I would have loved to pay gold in game to a face sculptor like in Skyrim to do basic appearance changes.

I don't like cash shops in MMO's in general and prefer pay to play games, but I think that the crown store with this buy to play model is somewhat fair. Of course, I'd like to have everything but can't afford them all so that's a bit frustating but it doesn't affect my gameplay and my chances at wining in game so I am pretty happy with ESO atm.

Well ESO will never be the same again for me - I am staying but I am a casual player anyway, and I will play even less ESO than before, because there is no future for me in this game. I will do a little sightseeing, fight a few mobs, maybe do a quest once in a while, but i have no further interest to progress nor do I want any more costumes nor houses nor anything really - this game has just lost it's appeal - but I want at least to see all the zones of Tamriel, that is why I came to ESO - and it will take a while to explore those - with maybe just 30 hrs/month spend on it - I doubt that this will change, because I have no faith in ZOS - this could have been a great game, but they screw it.