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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

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  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Cazzy wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
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    I logged on my pc today to play some more, but not sure if I feel like it anymore.

    I am more against One Tamriel than I am the "lucky bags", but I have the same problem. I logged into ESO on Friday, after taking the week off, and just didn't feel it anymore. I logged in today, but just stood there until I got logged out for inactivity.

    I am off to my next game. As I type this, the title screen for that game is coming up. No more time for posting in ESO forums.

    I'm honestly having a hard time working up the interest to log in and feed the new alts' horses.

    I've not logged in either. Absolutely no motivation to. Not excited about this month's crown store items either :/

    Yeah, the crown store offerings for the month were pretty "meh," but now with this? Ugh.
  • Garldeen
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    starkerealm wrote: »
    FireCowCommando wrote: »
    These boxes may be in response with what other MMO's are doing to make ESO look like its competitive to investors.

    Except, Zenimax isn't publicly traded, as I recall.

    They don't need to be to have investors. They can be a private limited company and sell % of the company to interested parties. That isn't the same as public limited companies where the shares can be traded on the stock market. The company i own is a private limited company which means people cannot come along and buy shares in it, however, I could decide to bring in a partner/investor and split the current share ownership.

    it is probably not the case here, but it would be wrong to assume that just because they are not a public traded company, they are not on the lookout for potential investment opportunities.
    Edited by Garldeen on August 21, 2016 3:23PM
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.
  • Denidil
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Oppose. Loot boxes are one of the most exploitative and inappropriate things ever added to F2P/B2P games and absolutely harm the game.

  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    FireCowCommando wrote: »
    MacCait wrote: »
    No doubt this post will get ignored, but i'll ask anyway...

    @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

    RNG lockboxes/loot-boxes: It's not innovative. It's not original in anyway. It also adds nothing to the game in terms of quality, design, good service etc. It's just copying a questionable business model that other MMO's have used in order make a lot of money from it's player base.

    You could come up with other fairer ways to make money via crown store. You already do this with new mounts and a variety of cosmetic items, which the community mostly enjoy, and the overall majority of players do not have a problem with (apart the recent trend of over pricing items).

    Looking at the heat that this idea has caused in just a couple of days, and at the risk of losing the respect of a large percentage of loyal players...

    I would like to ask an honest question: "Why does Zenimax wish to implement this business model to the game?"

    Well ZoS did mention BDO's recent changes with a small amount of P2W (its insanely not worth a penny, only whales participate btw), but it does show they are watching their competitors business model. Only about a week ago the quarterly earnings went out for that game, and they are making a lot of money.

    These boxes may be in response with what other MMO's are doing to make ESO look like its competitive to investors. Surely its not something a company wants to do in principle, but realistically a company must try to be competitive within its industry.

    Beyond just the boxes in general though, having exclusive items in these boxes and not just past limited time items is taking it a step further. Its sad to see them dedicate addition resources to an extra feature like this when the game is riddled with issues that detract from their player bases enjoyment, and that these are not weekly, but daily if not hourly occurrences.

    It would be better if ZoS could take the position to not add this feature into the game, at this point they have dedicated too much resources in coders/artists to back out of implementation.

    Well, one could be competitive by being outstanding for example - it does not have to be by being the same as anyone else. Elder Scrolls is a strong label - as long as Bethesda had it - but ZOS is just running it into the ground, now more than ever. IT could be outstanding in many ways, with such a strong fan base - but all they do is .. well, driving their fan base away.

    Edit: did you watch Matt Firor closely when he was talking about 7 million users and more even - his body language - it will tell you alot about what the numbers are really like. He would make for a quite bad poker player :blush:
    Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 3:33PM
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    I think Lysette spends more then anyone I know on the crown store to help support the game She love and has massive game time built up . She is very pro making money for ZOS . So if she has something to say in criticism it is not coming from a spoiled I want something free attitude , it's a real issue . I've only spend a few hundred on this game but I know when something being added is a consumer ripoff and don't like lottery in video games . It's not my job to defend ZOS on everything decision they make so I have no issues saying when something is just plain greedy . We also don't like being told one thing and shown another . That just says you'll say anything for a buck .
  • ArcVelarian
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    I saw SWTOR go down this road and now pretty much all of their development is dedicated to the cash shop. Please for the love of Talos, no lootboxes or gambling cash shop items of any kind. Just no.
    Murphy's Law of PvP : If it can be abused and or exploited, it will be abused and or exploited.
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
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    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    I think Lysette spends more then anyone I know on the crown store to help support the game She love and has massive game time built up . She is very pro making money for ZOS . So if she has something to say in criticism it is not coming from a spoiled I want something free attitude , it's a real issue . I've only spend a few hundred on this game but I know when something being added is a consumer ripoff and don't like lottery in video games . It's not my job to defend ZOS on everything decision they make so I have no issues saying when something is just plain greedy . We also don't like being told one thing and shown another . That just says you'll say anything for a buck .

    Too much actually - it was over 30k crowns this months, most of it from discounted crowns though - I have no problem to buy stuff from the crown store, which I like, but I prefer to know what I will get and it should be quality stuff - and there ZOS's offerings were lacking a lot since a few months already. i had always a problem with ZOS's greedy tendencies which showed sometimes more and sometimes less. But my tolerance to this ends, when they bring something what is clearly designed to prey on a problem group of players. This is something what is seen as an immoral deal in my home country and can be even a crime if it is intentionally done this way. So as a lawful person myself, I cannot support this kind of thing.
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
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    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    I think Lysette spends more then anyone I know on the crown store to help support the game She love and has massive game time built up . She is very pro making money for ZOS . So if she has something to say in criticism it is not coming from a spoiled I want something free attitude , it's a real issue . I've only spend a few hundred on this game but I know when something being added is a consumer ripoff and don't like lottery in video games . It's not my job to defend ZOS on everything decision they make so I have no issues saying when something is just plain greedy . We also don't like being told one thing and shown another . That just says you'll say anything for a buck .

    Too much actually - it was over 30k crowns this months, most of it from discounted crowns though - I have no problem to buy stuff from the crown store, which I like, but I prefer to know what I will get and it should be quality stuff - and there ZOS's offerings were lacking a lot since a few months already. i had always a problem with ZOS's greedy tendencies which showed sometimes more and sometimes less. But my tolerance to this ends, when they bring something what is clearly designed to prey on a problem group of players. This is something what is seen as an immoral deal in my home country and can be even a crime if it is intentionally done this way. So as a lawful person myself, I cannot support this kind of thing.

    An you are not alone . There are several big supporters financially in this thread that have said the same thing . We both know there are successful MMO companies out there that don't need gimmicks and ripoffs to make great profits . One comes to mind that much much older then this game .
    Edited by Rohamad_Ali on August 21, 2016 3:50PM
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
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    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    I think Lysette spends more then anyone I know on the crown store to help support the game She love and has massive game time built up . She is very pro making money for ZOS . So if she has something to say in criticism it is not coming from a spoiled I want something free attitude , it's a real issue . I've only spend a few hundred on this game but I know when something being added is a consumer ripoff and don't like lottery in video games . It's not my job to defend ZOS on everything decision they make so I have no issues saying when something is just plain greedy . We also don't like being told one thing and shown another . That just says you'll say anything for a buck .

    Too much actually - it was over 30k crowns this months, most of it from discounted crowns though - I have no problem to buy stuff from the crown store, which I like, but I prefer to know what I will get and it should be quality stuff - and there ZOS's offerings were lacking a lot since a few months already. i had always a problem with ZOS's greedy tendencies which showed sometimes more and sometimes less. But my tolerance to this ends, when they bring something what is clearly designed to prey on a problem group of players. This is something what is seen as an immoral deal in my home country and can be even a crime if it is intentionally done this way. So as a lawful person myself, I cannot support this kind of thing.

    An you are not alone . There are several big supporters financially in this thread that have said the same thing . We both know there are successful MMO companies out there that don't need gimmicks and ripoffs to make great profits . One comes to mind that much much older then this game .

    starting with an E and ending with an E - I know :wink:
    Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 3:53PM
  • Jade1986
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Clearly the majority do not want those pieces of smurf.

    It is the same on reddit, in zone chat, and across all 5 of my guilds. Seriously ZoS, do you listen -AT ALL?!
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    Well, fine you have been baiting all day on my posts - I am happy when you do not read my post anymore and especially not answer to them.
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    I think Lysette spends more then anyone I know on the crown store to help support the game She love and has massive game time built up . She is very pro making money for ZOS .

    Lysette has spent (according to her own figures) more than any reasonable person would ever spend on a videogame. (30K crowns in ONE MONTH only, ESO+ TWELVE MONTHS ahead... etc...)

    This isn't support. My guess is that, when speaks of ICD-affected people, she isn't really talking about "other people". That would explain why she is so damned scared of those RNG-boxes.

  • Graydon
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    Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics
    Lysette wrote: »
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    I'm happy to finally have a reason to spend my stockpiled crowns.

    This is exactly what ZOS wants you to do - so that you will have none left when housing is coming.

    Then I will buy more. If housing or random crates don't interest me, then I won't buy. Amazing concept.

    Still confused at the problem and outrage you seem to suffer.

    Nobody is forcing you to buy anything.

    Now please get over it and move on.
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game
  • Jade1986
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.
    Edited by Jade1986 on August 21, 2016 4:04PM
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.

  • JD2013
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    laced wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.

    Is Overwatch or The Simpsons: Tapped Out or SW:TOR banned in Germany? Cuz they're a couple of games off the top of my head with random RNG boxes in them.
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    laced wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.

    I have a friend in Europe that spent equivalent of $1k a month on those . He is very well to do coming from a banking family but none the less he blew through tons of money before realizing the game was dying off . Now all those trinkets are mostly worthless . He was not so happy with his decision in the end . Good thing he wasn't poor .
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    I think Lysette spends more then anyone I know on the crown store to help support the game She love and has massive game time built up . She is very pro making money for ZOS .

    Lysette has spent (according to her own figures) more than any reasonable person would ever spend on a videogame. (30K crowns in ONE MONTH only, ESO+ TWELVE MONTHS ahead... etc...)

    This isn't support. My guess is that, when speaks of ICD-affected people, she isn't really talking about "other people". That would explain why she is so damned scared of those RNG-boxes.

    Now the revenge comes in quickly - dodge roll, sprint, cloak - well I am used to subscription games and I have normally my game time pre-paid for half a year to a year - sometimes more - it just makes me feel comfortable. It is as well not about support, when I buy something from the crown store, but because I like it and want to have fun in the small amount of time, which I can spend actually playing - so this is a convenience thing. I have no fun with gambling - I used a couple of casino games (resp. their rule sets) to check out certain principles of complex adaptive systems - like evolving a perfect strategy for black jack without to have to count cards, which actually works - but I would never really play it in a casino - it was just to test how well a complex adaptive system could evolve a strategy like this - quite well actually. But beside that I have no interest in gambling. Well, by common knowledge reasons I have to know the casino rules of those games - but otherwise, no, not interested.
    Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 4:10PM
  • anitajoneb17_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.

    I have a friend in Europe that spent equivalent of $1k a month on those . He is very well to do coming from a banking family but none the less he blew through tons of money before realizing the game was dying off . Now all those trinkets are mostly worthless . He was not so happy with his decision in the end . Good thing he wasn't poor .

    The question is : was he just being silly or unwise, or was he affected by a psychiatrical impulse control disorder ?

    Because, if it comes to people having behaved unreasonably in any given circumstances, we'll all know of one. That doesn't make us gamers a bunch of gambling-addicted people who can't resist seeing RNG-boxes in the crown store and emptying our family bank account on them.

    Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 21, 2016 4:13PM
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.

    with a handful of boxes at most, but not with hundreds like an addict would buy them.
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.

    I have a friend in Europe that spent equivalent of $1k a month on those . He is very well to do coming from a banking family but none the less he blew through tons of money before realizing the game was dying off . Now all those trinkets are mostly worthless . He was not so happy with his decision in the end . Good thing he wasn't poor .

    The question is : was he just being silly or unwise, or was he affected by a psychiatrical impulse control disorder ?

    Because, if it comes to people having behaved unreasonably in any given circumstances, we'll all know of one. That doesn't make us gamers a bunch of gambling-addicted people who can't resist seeing RNG-boxes in the crown store and emptying our family bank account on them.

    I don't know I'm not a Doctor but my stupid detector was beeping really loud around him .
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.

    I have a friend in Europe that spent equivalent of $1k a month on those . He is very well to do coming from a banking family but none the less he blew through tons of money before realizing the game was dying off . Now all those trinkets are mostly worthless . He was not so happy with his decision in the end . Good thing he wasn't poor .

    Seen from the outside - but I guess a more wealthy person is actually more hurt emotionally by being ripped off, and be it just a small amount of money, than someone who does not have that much in the first place.
  • Jade1986
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    JD2013 wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.

    Is Overwatch or The Simpsons: Tapped Out or SW:TOR banned in Germany? Cuz they're a couple of games off the top of my head with random RNG boxes in them.

    No, they aren't, the thing is those games' datacenters are outside of Germany, so the authorities can not do anything. They can get pissy, but that is it.

    ESO on the other hand has its Datacenters located in Frankfurt, Germany. Right smack dead in the middle of all the authorities.
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.

    Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    laced wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    laced wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    The point is, that if there would be just normal people, those RNG boxes would not make them more money - not more like offering the items directly.

    Figures ? Studies ? Anything to back up your assertion ?

    It can just as well be that RNG boxes brings more income altogether as compared to direct sales, with perfectly "normal", "reasonable" and "self-controlled" people. Just like the lottery does even without all the ICD people who buy tickets.

    Well, in Germany there is a warning on any lottery ticket, that gambling can cause severe addiction and be quite harmful for your life. Other forms of gambling are state-driven and you will be registered as a casino visitor and you have to confirm by signing a form, that you are wealthy enough to deal with losses you might have, and that you are well aware of the dangers. And of course you will get a writ which will tell you exactly what your chances are - nothing of that is done by ZOS - there is no warning, nor do we get to know the chances - they can manipulate them like they want and prey on people like the wolf in sheep's clothes - and this is how I feel that ZOS is like - the wolf in sheep's clothes ready to swallow you(r wallet).

    Fine - but none of this answers my question.

    of course not, I told you I will not be talking with you today anymore - but I can still talk to you - saying what I want to say.

    Oh... nice concept of a debate. You've lost any kind of credibility to me today Lysette. I knew you weren't reading/listening to other people, but I didn't know you were rude and self-centered. Anyway... ignore list from now on.

    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    I know people that play SWTOR that have spent a RIDICULOUS amount of money on those smurfing boxes. And I mean thousands of dollars a month. Gambling with RL money should NEVER be allowed in a video game. -ever- And I hope the authorities in Germany step in and force their hand on ZoS. The only reason BiowEAr didnt get in trouble is because their EU datacenters are in Ireland.

    Is Overwatch or The Simpsons: Tapped Out or SW:TOR banned in Germany? Cuz they're a couple of games off the top of my head with random RNG boxes in them.

    No, they aren't, the thing is those games' datacenters are outside of Germany, so the authorities can not do anything. They can get pissy, but that is it.

    ESO on the other hand has its Datacenters located in Frankfurt, Germany. Right smack dead in the middle of all the authorities.

    It is as well something which will just be investigated by officials in Germany, if people bring it to their attention - they are not really interested to do something if no one is complaining about it.
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
    Rohamad_Ali wrote: »
    You were looking for a study . Here's one . I have no idea if it helps . Can we say it's common sense that video games are addicting ? Can we all agree gambling is addicting ? What happens when you combine the two together ? I'm no scientist but I'd guess it drives up the excitement ...

    https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/is-it-gambling-or-game

    Thank you for the research, however what I was asking for was some kind of evidence for Lysette repeated assertion that RNG-boxes would NOT bring more money than normal items from the crown store if restricted to non-addicted people. I think that's flat out wrong. Normal people also enjoy the thrill of the surprise box. Without getting addicted to it.

    Apologies for not reading further . I think there is a communication issue between you two , although I could be wrong . Sometimes the higher idea is missed in a sentence when speaking English second language . I don't wish to speak for Lysette and being rude but there are other games even more profitable without using loot box gimmick . Maybe this is what being referred ?

    My claim was, that if there would be just normal people in a game, which are not addicted to anything really, then those RNG boxes would not make ZOS more money than to offer the items directly to the customer. why would a normal person even want to gamble more than maybe once or twice?- For a mere chance to get something or not - they would just say, screw it, I either buy it or I don''t, but I'm not going to gamble for an item - this is a normal way to look at things - and from these kind of people you cannot make more money with RNG boxes.

    It takes a gambler mentality to even want to buy such a box - not to talk about a lot more - that are just people with issues, who buy a whole lot of those.
    Edited by Lysette on August 21, 2016 4:38PM
  • Jasonn
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Can't say how strongly I hate this.

    It's predatory and exploitative plain and simple, absolutely disgusting.
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