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So there's an addon that allows you to see other player's loot upon drop now...
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming.
I can believe it. Why? Because addons like this have been around for years..
Yes, but that is irrelevant because the feature that allows you to trade personal loot at the end of a dungeon is new. It's the combination of the addon and this new feature that causes the issues.
Dude, you're still just speculating. Imagining all sorts of worst-case scenarios. Whereas in the nearly 3 weeks that BoP trading has been out, I've seen nothing but positive experiences from it.
We've presented the good from these kinds of addons. You ignore them.
We've told you that our experiences don't support the extreme levels of misanthropy you have. You just dismiss them as being insufficient data while you yourself have even less experiential data to work with.
Frankly, at this point, I'm not sure if you're even here to have a serious conversation or if you're just trolling everyone here who is.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
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Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
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- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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✭✭Blackbird71 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
You can still talk to group members or ask them if they got a certain piece of loot you are after without this addon.
I thought we were eliminating ways hostile people might try to be hostile. That means chat channels go bye bye. I mean obviously i could just ignore. Just like i could ignore these people. But the problem never would have come up if there were no chat channels.
The game actually gives us the option to disable any and all chat channels. The problem here is that we have no way of disabling someone else's addon that they use to interfere with our gameplay.
And by "interfere," I'm not talking about the people who may politely ask once about a particular item you picked up that keeps being used as an example in this thread of why there is nothing wrong with the addon. I'm talking about the jerks who constantly pester you about it with multiple messages, threats, etc., who may follow you around, and if you ignore them, may hit you up with alts or get their friends/guildies to start messaging you until you give in or log off. We all know that they exist; don't pretend that they don't.
Equip the item, its now bound and they can *** off. If they continue that's harassment and you can report them. Don't come whining to get things taken away from players who see this as a good tool for gearing up a raid team or pvp group.2 -
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Randactyl✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.
lol, says the person who is trying to get personal on the internet.
I'm not going to engage in trading insults with you. I am just stating the obvious, that if someone is repeatedly bothered by people pestering them for loot at the end of a dungeon it's only a matter of time before they become fed up and respond in kind. And I wouldn't blame them for doing so one bit.
That's called normal behavior. No therapy is needed.
/ignore, bro.
There are already tools to prevent people with an inability to control their reactions from being banned.
Not an insult, trying to help you out man.
I don't need to be helped out. But thank you none-the-less.
As I've stated numerous times - addons that contribute to players having to ignore each other should be scrapped unless there is a significant reason such an addon should be preserved. There is no such reason here.
It's not the addon that is causing you to ignore a person. It's that person's behavior which is causing you to ignore them. If anything, it's helping you weed out crappy players from interacting with you.
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And I would welcome it. But ZOS has priorities.If this is so important to the game they should make it a basic feature as I said.
Take buff tracking, for example. Right now, it's possible only with addons. The game broadcasts all the relevant information, but the game's UI doesn't do anything with it--it's up to the addons to actually present the information to the player. Much like how loot sharing works.
But just because the game's UI doesn't present this information doesn't mean ZOS doesn't want you to see it. They just don't have the time and resources to implement the UI for a buff tracking system and are content to let addon authors do the work for them.
And frankly, I'd rather that ZOS first prioritize built-in buff tracking, better combat text (the current SCT is too bare-bones--you don't even know what ability caused that particular tick of damage), etc., instead of dealing with lower-priority items like loot information.
Buff tracking would be a nice addition. But that addition doesn't contribute to strife in the same way this loot addon does.
Sparing their players annoyances should be a priority for them. The developers should simply do away with the trading of personal loot and allow relevant classes to roll on loot at the end of the dungeon. That would solve this.
And until they get around to doing that - disable this addon. Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:44PM0 -
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And I would welcome it. But ZOS has priorities.If this is so important to the game they should make it a basic feature as I said.
Take buff tracking, for example. Right now, it's possible only with addons. The game broadcasts all the relevant information, but the game's UI doesn't do anything with it--it's up to the addons to actually present the information to the player. Much like how loot sharing works.
But just because the game's UI doesn't present this information doesn't mean ZOS doesn't want you to see it. They just don't have the time and resources to implement the UI for a buff tracking system and are content to let addon authors do the work for them.
And frankly, I'd rather that ZOS first prioritize built-in buff tracking, better combat text (the current SCT is too bare-bones--you don't even know what ability caused that particular tick of damage), etc., instead of dealing with lower-priority items like loot information.
Buff tracking would be a nice addition. But that addition doesn't contribute to strife in the same way this loot addon does.
Sparing their players annoyances should be a priority for them. The developers should simply do away with the trading of personal loot and allow relevant classes to roll on loot at the end of the dungeon. That would solve this.
And until they get around to doing that - disable this addon.
>Suggests a wholesale change in fundamental game systems.
Yeah, either completely silly or trolling like crazy. Nothing more to see from this guy, folks.Randactyl | NA Megaserver | Blood for the Pact! | Sun's Death, Chrysamere Pact
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming.
I can believe it. Why? Because addons like this have been around for years..
Yes, but that is irrelevant because the feature that allows you to trade personal loot at the end of a dungeon is new. It's the combination of the addon and this new feature that causes the issues.
The issues that you have never encountered personally but you think are widespread. Hmm...
You do not know what I have or haven't encountered personally. Just to clarify that fact.
This forum already has numerous examples of people reporting harassment due to this addon. Factor that by the many more who do not participate on the forums - I think it's safe to say it's happening more than 1% of the time (which hardly constitutes wide-spread anyway.) But it's also not almost non-existent - as suggesting a 1% ratio would be.
Well, you're talking about your assumptions and imaginary situations. That everyone would harass you for your loot, etc... That sounds like paranoia to be honest. Its like if I said: "Omg, Im a girl so Id better stay away from those mmos, there are male gamers that might harass me!".
And this forums has numerous examples of people being harassed for playing chars of specific races/classes in specific roles, having an accent, being female gamers, having a nice looking char, etc. Some people are just jerks, and limiting everyone else because of them is not a solution. A society cant be build around its worst members.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.
lol, says the person who is trying to get personal on the internet.
I'm not going to engage in trading insults with you. I am just stating the obvious, that if someone is repeatedly bothered by people pestering them for loot at the end of a dungeon it's only a matter of time before they become fed up and respond in kind. And I wouldn't blame them for doing so one bit.
That's called normal behavior. No therapy is needed.
/ignore, bro.
There are already tools to prevent people with an inability to control their reactions from being banned.
Not an insult, trying to help you out man.
I don't need to be helped out. But thank you none-the-less.
As I've stated numerous times - addons that contribute to players having to ignore each other should be scrapped unless there is a significant reason such an addon should be preserved. There is no such reason here.
It's not the addon that is causing you to ignore a person. It's that person's behavior which is causing you to ignore them. If anything, it's helping you weed out crappy players from interacting with you.
It's not always just crappy players. It could be someone having a bad day who just isn't in the mood to deal with what he or she perceives to be greed.
When we try to focus in on individual players I feel as if the debate gets side-tracked.
The main theme of my comments is meant to say that this addon needlessly creates a flammable situation. Yes, it is up to the players themselves to lend that spark. But I still see (and have not seen yet during the course of this debate) a single good reason why this situation needs to be maintained. It's just unnecessary.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:56PM0 -
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And I would welcome it. But ZOS has priorities.If this is so important to the game they should make it a basic feature as I said.
Take buff tracking, for example. Right now, it's possible only with addons. The game broadcasts all the relevant information, but the game's UI doesn't do anything with it--it's up to the addons to actually present the information to the player. Much like how loot sharing works.
But just because the game's UI doesn't present this information doesn't mean ZOS doesn't want you to see it. They just don't have the time and resources to implement the UI for a buff tracking system and are content to let addon authors do the work for them.
And frankly, I'd rather that ZOS first prioritize built-in buff tracking, better combat text (the current SCT is too bare-bones--you don't even know what ability caused that particular tick of damage), etc., instead of dealing with lower-priority items like loot information.
Buff tracking would be a nice addition. But that addition doesn't contribute to strife in the same way this loot addon does.
Sparing their players annoyances should be a priority for them. The developers should simply do away with the trading of personal loot and allow relevant classes to roll on loot at the end of the dungeon. That would solve this.
And until they get around to doing that - disable this addon.
"Sparing their players annoyances"? Seriously? I've had more bad experiences with PUGs who blame the tank and healer for their mistakes than I have had from loot-sharing addons. By your logic, we should just disable chat. And all group content. Ah, screw it, just scrap this game and make TES6.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Must_Be_F2P wrote: »
See - now this is an example of someone who insults you and deserves to be insulted in return.
I'll however control my impulse to insult you back (as you deserve) and hopefully allow for the moderators to do their job. Because if calling someone a lying whiny noob isn't a personal insult then I don't know what it is. And that is suppose to be against the rules of this forum. ^^
In any case, if the topic of this thread bothers you so much then perhaps you should refrain from entering into a thread about this topic. I'm not even the author of the OP in fact. So obviously I am not the only one. So your comments don't even make sense.
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The main theme of my comments is meant to say that this addon needlessly creates a flammable situation. Yes, it is up to the players to lend that spark. But I still see (and have not seen yet during the course of this debate) a single good reason why this situation needs to be maintained. It's just unnecessary.
Addon cannot create a flammable situation, only people can.
If your imaginary evil teammate didnt have an addon, he could still see that youre not posting your loot and could assume that youre hiding BiS items... Then he would call you and your mother the worst names ever, and you would get banned for defending her. Dont tell me its unrealistic, you're talking about absolutely worst case scenarios too.
Edited by LadyNalcarya on August 19, 2016 9:56PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Jeremy definitely not serious
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✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Must_Be_F2P wrote: »Jeremy definitely not serious
looks how he ignored the post of mine, shooted directly at his knee
lol, you should scroll up or something because I did not ignore your post. I responded to it.
Though I should have ignored it. Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:57PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
The main theme of my comments is meant to say that this addon needlessly creates a flammable situation. Yes, it is up to the players to lend that spark. But I still see (and have not seen yet during the course of this debate) a single good reason why this situation needs to be maintained. It's just unnecessary.
Addon cannot create a flammable situation, only people can.
And that's where we disagree. I believe it does.
At this point, probably best just to agree to disagree.0 -
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And I would welcome it. But ZOS has priorities.If this is so important to the game they should make it a basic feature as I said.
Take buff tracking, for example. Right now, it's possible only with addons. The game broadcasts all the relevant information, but the game's UI doesn't do anything with it--it's up to the addons to actually present the information to the player. Much like how loot sharing works.
But just because the game's UI doesn't present this information doesn't mean ZOS doesn't want you to see it. They just don't have the time and resources to implement the UI for a buff tracking system and are content to let addon authors do the work for them.
And frankly, I'd rather that ZOS first prioritize built-in buff tracking, better combat text (the current SCT is too bare-bones--you don't even know what ability caused that particular tick of damage), etc., instead of dealing with lower-priority items like loot information.
Buff tracking would be a nice addition. But that addition doesn't contribute to strife in the same way this loot addon does.
Sparing their players annoyances should be a priority for them. The developers should simply do away with the trading of personal loot and allow relevant classes to roll on loot at the end of the dungeon. That would solve this.
And until they get around to doing that - disable this addon.
"Sparing their players annoyances"? Seriously? I've had more bad experiences with PUGs who blame the tank and healer for their mistakes than I have had from loot-sharing addons. By your logic, we should just disable chat. And all group content. Ah, screw it, just scrap this game and make TES6.
No because I believe chat is necessary and provides benefits that are worth what ever nuisances it can lead to. This addon does not.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 10:01PM0 -
lol you just evade simple question
PROOFS OR GTFO
you told numerous
but its only one OP in closed topic
shoew me more
except you, @Jeremy
in case you have multiple personalities - they also doesnt count!Edited by ESO_Must_Be_F2P on August 19, 2016 10:01PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
The main theme of my comments is meant to say that this addon needlessly creates a flammable situation. Yes, it is up to the players to lend that spark. But I still see (and have not seen yet during the course of this debate) a single good reason why this situation needs to be maintained. It's just unnecessary.
Addon cannot create a flammable situation, only people can.
And that's where we disagree. I believe it does.
At this point, probably best just to agree to disagree.
Must be some kind of demonic addon that possesses people and makes them do things they woudnt do otherwise.
But whatever.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Must_Be_F2P wrote: »lol you just evade simple question
PROOFS OR GTFO
you told numerous
but its only one OP in closed topic
shoew me more
except you, @Jeremy
in case you have multiple personalities - they also doesnt count!
Here is some advice you may or may not want to take in the future.
If you actually want someone to have a serious discussion with you or for them to bother themselves to provide you with proof of anything then you may want to try not insulting them in your first reply.
And just because I do not do as you command that does not mean I am evading your question.
Perhaps I just have no interest in answering you or discussing anything with you after you called me a... what was it, oh yes a lying whiny noob.
Now please go find someone else to pester.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 10:13PM0 -
Evasion 100%
where you get those buff, are you a cheater?
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Ah, see how flippantly he dismisses points that people try to make? We can play that game, too.
He has outlined a number of potential pitfalls. Which I found to be nothing more than minor inconveniences. Nothing to warrant trashing the good experiences that most posters in this thread have talked about.
Of course, the key difference here is that he is speaking speculatively, with virtually no personal experience in the matter. And the people who are defending are the people who have the experience and are not pulling phantom scenarios out of their imaginations. At this point, seeing how the last 4 pages of this thread has devolved into a back-and-forth between one person and everyone else with that one person dismissing all reasonable discourse, I'm going to follow my own advice from earlier in this thread and just ignore the troll.
Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
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Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
The main theme of my comments is meant to say that this addon needlessly creates a flammable situation. Yes, it is up to the players to lend that spark. But I still see (and have not seen yet during the course of this debate) a single good reason why this situation needs to be maintained. It's just unnecessary.
Addon cannot create a flammable situation, only people can.
And that's where we disagree. I believe it does.
At this point, probably best just to agree to disagree.
Must be some kind of demonic addon that possesses people and makes them do things they woudnt do otherwise.
But whatever.
No it doesn't possess people. It just creates a flammable situation as i described, by highlighting the fact that someone has something someone else wants with only a limited amount of time to get it.0 -
guys just ignore him
you saw what happend
he lied, and wont answer on direct question, because he wont be catched on his lie
obvious some kind of clever troll for me
i saw alot like himEdited by ESO_Must_Be_F2P on August 19, 2016 10:13PM2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Must_Be_F2P wrote: »guys just ignore him
you saw what happend
he lied, and wont answer on direct question, because he wont be catched on his lie
obvious some kind of clever troll for me
i saw alot like him
So let me get this straight - you unprovoked (because I had said nothing to you) accuse me of lying and call me a whiny noob and I'm the troll supposedly according to you?
lol
It seems to me someone may need to look in the mirror if they want to see who the troll here is. Me? I am simply discussing the topic of this thread. You're the one who is name calling and trying to make this discussion about me instead of the topic.0 -
cjthibs✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO_Must_Be_F2P wrote: »guys just ignore him
you saw what happend
he lied, and wont answer on direct question, because he wont be catched on his lie
obvious some kind of clever troll for me
i saw alot like him
So let me get this straight - you unprovoked (because I had said nothing to you) accuse me of lying and call me a whiny noob and I'm the troll supposedly according to you?
lol
It seems to me someone may need to look in the mirror if they want to see who the troll here is. Me? I am simply discussing the topic of this thread. You're the one who is name calling and trying to make this discussion about me instead of the topic.
Lies should always be exposed. With or without provocation.
Go ahead and outline these numerous occurrences of harassment caused by this addon, please, go on.
Nobody has a right to spout nonsense and not be called on it.1 -
call me a whiny noob
wait
you are also author of fist topic?
because i didnt call YOU like this
so lets get it straight
1) your first topic was closed, and you actually have multiple account on the forum, in case of failure you can start new discussion with "new face" ?Edited by ESO_Must_Be_F2P on August 19, 2016 10:24PM1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
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Ah, see how flippantly he dismisses points that people try to make? We can play that game, too.
He has outlined a number of potential pitfalls. Which I found to be nothing more than minor inconveniences. Nothing to warrant trashing the good experiences that most posters in this thread have talked about.
Of course, the key difference here is that he is speaking speculatively, with virtually no personal experience in the matter. And the people who are defending are the people who have the experience and are not pulling phantom scenarios out of their imaginations. At this point, seeing how the last 4 pages of this thread has devolved into a back-and-forth between one person and everyone else with that one person dismissing all reasonable discourse, I'm going to follow my own advice from earlier in this thread and just ignore the troll.
The problem with your post is these are not phantom scenarios. They happen. Other players are being harassed because of this addon allowing other players to see what their personal loot is.
To say this isn't happening is just denying reality.
Now if you believe I was being flippant I don't know what to tell you. I've tried my best to be respectful in this discussion. And it has not always been easy.
Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 10:21PM0 -
Kyoma✭✭✭*grabs more popcorn*Will I be able to forget all the wounds that pierce my flesh?
You and your childish justice. I'll rip it to pieces.
Come on, it's showtime. A rain of blood like a volcano
And now I'll blow all of you and you and you...
All to tiny pieces. All to tiny pieces.3 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Must_Be_F2P wrote: »call me a whiny noob
wait
you are also author of fist topic?
because i didnt call YOU like this
so lets get it straight
1) your first topic was closed, and you actualyl have multiple account on the forum, in case of failure you can start new discussion with "new face" ?
Your post was directed at me, so naturally I thought you were talking to me. Yes.
If you want to call the OP names then direct your comments at him instead.0 -
cjthibs✭✭✭✭✭
✭Where are these throngs of players experiencing harassment...so far I see one guy who, I can only assume, just doesn't want to be equitable with loot... (Which is the purpose of both BOP Trading, and addons showing loot.)3