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So there's an addon that allows you to see other player's loot upon drop now...
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
FTFYDisabling this addon will make it easier anti-social players to avoid interacting with other humans while playing a highly social MMO.
Nothing wrong with being anti-social in an MMO. Just turn off /tell while doing dungeons and only talk in group. There are plenty of things you can do to your OWN game to accommodate your odd playstyle. The problem occurs when you cry to ZOS to change EVERYONE's gaming experience to accommodate your odd playstyle.
The anti-social player is the one who is harassing the other player because they are not interested in trading.
Fixed that for you.
Try looking up the definition of words before you use them. Words are like builds in ESO. Some combinations just don't work.
If only we had an addon to figure out which builds those were...
You should follow your own advice.
Being anti-social basically means beings unfriendly - which harassing other players because they don't want to trade certainly is.
Believing that certain addons should be disabled because they contribute to conflict - well, that has nothing to do with being anti-social actually. So it is you who definitely needs to go look up words before you use them.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:01PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Blackbird71 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
You can still talk to group members or ask them if they got a certain piece of loot you are after without this addon.
I thought we were eliminating ways hostile people might try to be hostile. That means chat channels go bye bye. I mean obviously i could just ignore. Just like i could ignore these people. But the problem never would have come up if there were no chat channels.
The game actually gives us the option to disable any and all chat channels. The problem here is that we have no way of disabling someone else's addon that they use to interfere with our gameplay.
And by "interfere," I'm not talking about the people who may politely ask once about a particular item you picked up that keeps being used as an example in this thread of why there is nothing wrong with the addon. I'm talking about the jerks who constantly pester you about it with multiple messages, threats, etc., who may follow you around, and if you ignore them, may hit you up with alts or get their friends/guildies to start messaging you until you give in or log off. We all know that they exist; don't pretend that they don't.
Im sorry, but I really cant imagine a situation where someone goes so crazy about your loot that they buy alt accounts to pester you etc.
If youre so worried about your precious loot, just tell people that you need it for your chars and wont give it away. If its not ok for your group, join another one. Easy.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
FTFYDisabling this addon will make it easier anti-social players to avoid interacting with other humans while playing a highly social MMO.
Nothing wrong with being anti-social in an MMO. Just turn off /tell while doing dungeons and only talk in group. There are plenty of things you can do to your OWN game to accommodate your odd playstyle. The problem occurs when you cry to ZOS to change EVERYONE's gaming experience to accommodate your odd playstyle.
The anti-social player is the one who is harassing the other player because they are not interested in trading.
Fixed that for you.
Try looking up the definition of words before you use them. Words are like builds in ESO. Some combinations just don't work.
If only we had an addon to figure out which builds those were...
You should follow your own advice.
Being anti-social basically means beings unfriendly - which harassing other players because they don't want to trade certainly is.
Believing that certain addons should be disabled because they contribute to conflict - well, that has nothing to do with being anti-social actually. So it is you who definitely needs to go look up words before you use them.
Being antisocial also means avoiding social interaction.
Like, I dunno, not wanting to people to know what you're looting so they can't ask you about it.
Avoiding interactions, even if they could lead to conflict, is still anti-social.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
FTFYDisabling this addon will make it easier anti-social players to avoid interacting with other humans while playing a highly social MMO.
Nothing wrong with being anti-social in an MMO. Just turn off /tell while doing dungeons and only talk in group. There are plenty of things you can do to your OWN game to accommodate your odd playstyle. The problem occurs when you cry to ZOS to change EVERYONE's gaming experience to accommodate your odd playstyle.
The anti-social player is the one who is harassing the other player because they are not interested in trading.
Fixed that for you.
Try looking up the definition of words before you use them. Words are like builds in ESO. Some combinations just don't work.
If only we had an addon to figure out which builds those were...
You should follow your own advice.
Being anti-social basically means beings unfriendly - which harassing other players because they don't want to trade certainly is.
Believing that certain addons should be disabled because they contribute to conflict - well, that has nothing to do with being anti-social actually. So it is you who definitely needs to go look up words before you use them.
Having knives, tape, and many other items in supermarkets contributes to murders and kidnapping, you know.
Just because something migh tbe used in a bad way, doesnt mean that it shouldnt exist.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
In any case - It's not totally worth it. Just because some players don't want to have to actually ask other players if they got the loot they want - that does not justify putting so many other players into annoying situations like these.
Imaginary situations.
Any knife can be used to kill people. Any car can technically cause a deadly accident. This is not the reason to ban cars and knives, right?
They aren't imaginary situations. Any gun can be used to kill people. But most bars I know ban guns. There is a reason for that - because you don't want a lot of drunken guys with guns. The same could be said of knives.
It's the same concept here. You do not want to needlessly create a situation that is ripe for conflict. There are guild stores and traders to exchange loot. It shouldn't be done at the end of a dungeon when one person knows you have something they want and they believe you are being greedy for not giving it to them. That is just asking for a fight to break out.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:02PM1 -
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
In any case - It's not totally worth it. Just because some players don't want to have to actually ask other players if they got the loot they want - that does not justify putting so many other players into annoying situations like these.
Imaginary situations.
Any knife can be used to kill people. Any car can technically cause a deadly accident. This is not the reason to ban cars and knives, right?
They aren't imaginary situations. Any gun can be used to kill people. But most bars I know ban guns. There is a reason for that - because you don't want a lot of drunken guys with guns. The same could be said of knives.
It's the same concept here. You do not want to needlessly create a situation that is ripe for conflict. There are guild stores and traders to exchange loot. It shouldn't be done at the end of a dungeon when one person knows you have something they want and they believe you are being greedy for not giving it to them. That is just asking for bad things to happen.
What are you saying?
We don't want Loot-Hungry MMO players in an MMO?0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
FTFYDisabling this addon will make it easier anti-social players to avoid interacting with other humans while playing a highly social MMO.
Nothing wrong with being anti-social in an MMO. Just turn off /tell while doing dungeons and only talk in group. There are plenty of things you can do to your OWN game to accommodate your odd playstyle. The problem occurs when you cry to ZOS to change EVERYONE's gaming experience to accommodate your odd playstyle.
The anti-social player is the one who is harassing the other player because they are not interested in trading.
Fixed that for you.
Try looking up the definition of words before you use them. Words are like builds in ESO. Some combinations just don't work.
If only we had an addon to figure out which builds those were...
You should follow your own advice.
Being anti-social basically means beings unfriendly - which harassing other players because they don't want to trade certainly is.
Believing that certain addons should be disabled because they contribute to conflict - well, that has nothing to do with being anti-social actually. So it is you who definitely needs to go look up words before you use them.
Having knives, tape, and many other items in supermarkets contributes to murders and kidnapping, you know.
Just because something migh tbe used in a bad way, doesnt mean that it shouldnt exist.
I find this comparison to murder and kidnappings ridiculous. But fine, I'll continue to play along.
As I mentioned in a previous post - most bars ban guns for that very reason. So my argument does have a real life counterpart.
If something is needlessly contributing to mayhem - I fail to see why it should continue to be tolerated. The only argument I have seen people make as to why this addon should be kept in place is so they can be spared the minor inconvenience of having to ask other players if they obtained a piece of gear they would like to trade for. That just doesn't seem like a very good reason to me.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:08PM0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »
In any case - It's not totally worth it. Just because some players don't want to have to actually ask other players if they got the loot they want - that does not justify putting so many other players into annoying situations like these.
Imaginary situations.
Any knife can be used to kill people. Any car can technically cause a deadly accident. This is not the reason to ban cars and knives, right?
They aren't imaginary situations. Any gun can be used to kill people. But most bars I know ban guns. There is a reason for that - because you don't want a lot of drunken guys with guns. The same could be said of knives.
It's the same concept here. You do not want to needlessly create a situation that is ripe for conflict. There are guild stores and traders to exchange loot. It shouldn't be done at the end of a dungeon when one person knows you have something they want and they believe you are being greedy for not giving it to them. That is just asking for a fight to break out.
I didnt say anything about guns that are ultimately made for shooting.
I mentioned things that are not intended for this... For example, a regular knife, or a drill, or tape. Those things are being made for harmless things, like slicing bread and such. They are sometimes used by horrible people to make horrible things, but it doesnt mean they should be made unavailable for normal people because of this.Edited by LadyNalcarya on August 19, 2016 9:08PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭Facts:- This is an officially-documented API.
- This is information that is being sent to the player all the time. Without addons, this stream of incoming information is simply ignored. Addons just allow you to see information that has always been there this entire time.
- This API and feature has been with the game since launch, and addons that use this feature have been around for years.
- As the looter, you have the final say in everything. Nobody can have your loot unless you explicitly agree to it.
Important Points:- Most people follow common sense etiquette. My first encounter with someone using a loot addon was over a year ago, when someone congratulated me for a drop that I got. A couple of months later, when I looted a Robust Agility ring off of a boss (it's BoE, not BoP), all I got was "congrats, code"--nobody was hounding me me for that piece of jewelry (this was when these rings were still very new and very rare). When someone did want a piece of gear that I looted, they've always asked if I wanted it for myself, and have never pressed it issue if I said that I wanted to keep it. Reading this thread, it almost seems like everyone in a MMO is a giant phallic tip. But that's not the case. I have never, ever had a bad experience with someone using a loot-reporting addon. Never.
- As I indicated in my post earlier, addons like this have enabled a number of trades that never would've happened otherwise. I don't link every piece of loot that I get--it's a hassle, I can't be bothered to open my bag after every loot-all, and sometimes a piece that someone wants is a piece that I don't even think is worth announcing to the world. I've gotten pieces of gear that people didn't think were worth linking, and I've parted with pieces of gear that I didn't think were worth linking.
- Convenience. Esp. in 12-man trial groups, coordinating loot sharing can be very chaotic. These sorts of addons simplify and streamline the process and ultimately save us a lot of time.
- The people viewing your loot drops are people in your group--nobody outside of the group can see. They are your teammates who worked together alongside you to clear a piece of content. They are partly responsible for you being able to loot that item in the first place. It's just a stroke of random luck that one item ends up in my hands and another ends up in theirs--it's not like I was somehow more deserving of something than someone else, just because RNG picked me for that loot drop. Addons like this aren't sharing your deepest personal secrets: they are sharing the whims of the game's RNG, and every item that you got could've just as easily dropped in someone else's hands instead of yours. There is absolutely nothing wrong or privacy-breaking for the group to see the group's loot. And from an immersion/lore/RP perspective, you're all rummaging through the corpse of a dead monster. It's perfectly reasonable that I am able to see the person next to me yank a ring off of the boss's finger.
- If you don't want to trade, just say "no". If someone doesn't understand what "no" means, that's what the game's ignore feature or report-player feature is for.
- If there is a problem with someone using loot information in a negative way, it's a problem with that person, not a problem with the information. If someone is the type to behave in a toxic manner over a piece of loot, they are likely to act in a toxic way in other matters too. What next? Disabling in-game chat because of trolls in Zone? You can't fix people with code.
Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.Edited by code65536 on August 19, 2016 9:20PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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Randactyl✭✭✭I really don't get why people are so adamantly against the removal of this feature, given the abusive problems that it will now create.
If you really want to share your loot with your group without having to manually link everything in chat, couldn't the reverse of the addon be created? An addon that automatically sends your loot to group chat? Then players could choose whether to share their loot automatically or not. Problem solved.
Not simply, no. Addons cannot send data to other clients in any normal sense.
Suggesting the ability to automatically send chat messages tells me you aren't really thinking trough any of your suggestions at all. Or maybe you just weren't around when gold sellers and guild spammers could just idle and have their messages sent to zone every x seconds.
As @KoshkaMurka said, you cannot base decisions on what a small minority of people might do. A community should be responsible for itself and play an active role in shaping itself rather than yielding their power to an authoritative party.
The simplest solution is not ripping out functionality. It's ignoring and reporting the very few idiots who might abuse otherwise harmless information.Edited by Randactyl on August 19, 2016 9:18PMRandactyl | NA Megaserver | Blood for the Pact! | Sun's Death, Chrysamere Pact
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:14PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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cjthibs✭✭✭✭✭
✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
If you're worried about being banned, the easy solution is to not insult people.
If you're worried about people asking you about your loot, the easy solution is not do dungeons, or do dungeons with people you know and get along with.
Fixed it for you.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming. Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:19PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of perfectly controlling your impulses no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you should really think of yourself as lucky.
I - on the other hand - prefer a more realistic outlook that does not pretend people always turn the other cheek.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:22PM0 -
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
If you're worried about being banned, the easy solution is to not insult people.
.
No, if people don't want me to insult them then they should not insult me.
Fixed that for you.
If they ban me for it, oh well. I'll live.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:23PM0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.
lol, says the person who is trying to get personal on the internet.
I'm not going to engage in trading insults with you. I am just stating the obvious, that if someone is repeatedly bothered by people pestering them for loot at the end of a dungeon it's only a matter of time before they become fed up and respond in kind. And I wouldn't blame them for doing so one bit.
That's called normal behavior. No therapy is needed.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:27PM0 -
code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming.
I can believe it. Why? Because addons like this have been around for years. I encountered people using them a year ago. And I have never, ever had a bad experience. And my almost-3-weeks of experience with this new tradable BoP has yielded a number of success stories with these sorts of addons and absolutely zero problems. In fact, BoP trading has made me a bigger fan of these addons than ever before, and they have really enhanced the trial and dungeon experience.
Unlike you, I'm not wildly speculating here. I'm going by what I've experienced. And all that experience tells me that it would be a grossly tragic overreaction to throw out the 99% of the good to avoid that slight 1% chance of the bad.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information3 -
cjthibs✭✭✭✭✭
✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.
lol, says the person who is trying to get personal on the internet.
I'm not going to engage in trading insults with you. I am just stating the obvious, that if someone is repeatedly bothered by people pestering them for loot at the end of a dungeon it's only a matter of time before they become fed up and respond in kind. And I wouldn't blame them for doing so one bit.
That's called normal behavior. No therapy is needed.
/ignore, bro.
There are already tools to prevent people with an inability to control their reactions from being banned.
Refusing to use those tools does not give you leverage to change game functionality.
Not an insult, trying to help you out man.Edited by cjthibs on August 19, 2016 9:30PM1 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming.
I can confidently say that such things can be avoided in 99% of situations.
No one prevents you from joining a guild or doing dungeon runs with friends if loot is such a touchy subject for you.
No one prevents you from discussing loot sharing before the run.
No one prevents you from saying "no" when someone asks for an item you got.
I pugged a lot of Hel Ra and AA farm runs lately, and most of group members had those loot addons. But everything was traded/sold (or not traded or sold) in a decent and civilized manner. Most of my pug dungeon runs since I joined the game (1,5 years ago) were also quite decent. Of course, there are occasional jerks and idiots, but generally ESO community is quite friendly.
Edited by LadyNalcarya on August 19, 2016 9:30PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭✭Blackbird71 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
You can still talk to group members or ask them if they got a certain piece of loot you are after without this addon.
I thought we were eliminating ways hostile people might try to be hostile. That means chat channels go bye bye. I mean obviously i could just ignore. Just like i could ignore these people. But the problem never would have come up if there were no chat channels.
The game actually gives us the option to disable any and all chat channels. The problem here is that we have no way of disabling someone else's addon that they use to interfere with our gameplay.
And by "interfere," I'm not talking about the people who may politely ask once about a particular item you picked up that keeps being used as an example in this thread of why there is nothing wrong with the addon. I'm talking about the jerks who constantly pester you about it with multiple messages, threats, etc., who may follow you around, and if you ignore them, may hit you up with alts or get their friends/guildies to start messaging you until you give in or log off. We all know that they exist; don't pretend that they don't.
It is interesting you list turning off chat as a way to solve the problem of being harassed on chat.
Then list a bunch of stuff someone might do if you didnt give them loot. The exact same stuff they could do if you ignore them on chat. Are you fighting to get the addon on and chat removed? That is a brave jump forward i suppose and would solve a lot of harassment issues.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.
lol, says the person who is trying to get personal on the internet.
I'm not going to engage in trading insults with you. I am just stating the obvious, that if someone is repeatedly bothered by people pestering them for loot at the end of a dungeon it's only a matter of time before they become fed up and respond in kind. And I wouldn't blame them for doing so one bit.
That's called normal behavior. No therapy is needed.
/ignore, bro.
There are already tools to prevent people with an inability to control their reactions from being banned.
Not an insult, trying to help you out man.
I don't need to be helped out. But thank you none-the-less.
As I've stated numerous times - addons that contribute to players having to ignore each other should be scrapped unless there is a significant reason such an addon should be preserved. There is no such reason here.0 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming.
I can believe it. Why? Because addons like this have been around for years..
Yes, but that is irrelevant because the feature that allows you to trade personal loot at the end of a dungeon is new. It's the combination of the addon and this new feature that causes the issues.
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LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming.
I can believe it. Why? Because addons like this have been around for years..
Yes, but that is irrelevant because the feature that allows you to trade personal loot at the end of a dungeon is new. It's the combination of the addon and this new feature that causes the issues.
The issues that you have never encountered personally but you think are widespread. Hmm...Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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cjthibs✭✭✭✭✭
✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.
lol, says the person who is trying to get personal on the internet.
I'm not going to engage in trading insults with you. I am just stating the obvious, that if someone is repeatedly bothered by people pestering them for loot at the end of a dungeon it's only a matter of time before they become fed up and respond in kind. And I wouldn't blame them for doing so one bit.
That's called normal behavior. No therapy is needed.
/ignore, bro.
There are already tools to prevent people with an inability to control their reactions from being banned.
Not an insult, trying to help you out man.
I don't need to be helped out. But thank you none-the-less.
As I've stated numerous times - addons that contribute to players having to ignore each other should be scrapped unless there is a significant reason such an addon should be preserved. There is no such reason here.
Others in this thread have outlined the usefullness of these addons...3 -
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And I would welcome it. But ZOS has priorities.If this is so important to the game they should make it a basic feature as I said.
Take buff tracking, for example. Right now, it's possible only with addons. The game broadcasts all the relevant information, but the game's UI doesn't do anything with it--it's up to the addons to actually present the information to the player. Much like how loot sharing works.
But just because the game's UI doesn't present this information doesn't mean ZOS doesn't want you to see it. They just don't have the time and resources to implement the UI for a buff tracking system and are content to let addon authors do the work for them.
And frankly, I'd rather that ZOS first prioritize built-in buff tracking, better combat text (the current SCT is too bare-bones--you don't even know what ability caused that particular tick of damage), etc., instead of dealing with lower-priority items like loot information.
Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorOther Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information5 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Frankly, addons like this enhance the social interactions of group PvE. Stop imagining worst-case nightmare scenarios. I'm not saying that people won't run into jerks, but if you do, it's not something that will happen every single day, and it's utterly asinine to suggest throwing out 99% of the good to avoid the 1% chance of a potential bad.
Well said!
I can't believe that you and others would actually believe this is only going to happen 1% of the time....
I admire your faith in humanity. Though as someone who has dealt with this humanity on a consistent basis (especially in an anonymous online setting) I can confidently tell you that you are dreaming.
I can believe it. Why? Because addons like this have been around for years..
Yes, but that is irrelevant because the feature that allows you to trade personal loot at the end of a dungeon is new. It's the combination of the addon and this new feature that causes the issues.
The issues that you have never encountered personally but you think are widespread. Hmm...
You do not know what I have or haven't encountered personally. Just to clarify that fact.
This forum already has numerous examples of people reporting harassment due to this addon. Factor that by the many more who do not participate on the forums - I think it's safe to say it's happening more than 1% of the time (which hardly constitutes wide-spread anyway.) But it's also not almost non-existent - as suggesting a 1% ratio would be.
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✭✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »
You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.
Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.
How does it make it more likely?
It makes it more likely because without this add one they would not know that I have the loot they want - so how then could they harass me for it?
They might think that since youre not posting loot in chat, you're probably hiding something from them and harass you because of that.
But they would know for sure that I have the piece of equipment they want. So it would make it a lot less likely.
No. It makes everything open to assumptions. And believe me or not, assumptions can make many ingame (and even rl) situations very tricky. You admitted you might start doing something that can make you banned during such arguments, so it wont make any difference for you.
Actually there is an easy solution - just make things clear before the run. Like, "I still need spell power cure gloves for my alt, but can trade/sell/give away all other parts".
You say that as if this has some unique bearing on me.
If someone insults you and you insult them back - yes - you can technically be banned for that. So this goes for anyone - not just me. It is a natural human impulse to react negatively when someone acts negatively toward you. We all have it - even you. That's what I was referring to in my post.
The easy solution here is just to get rid of the addon - which needlessly contributes to situations like these arising.
Yes it is quite negative. We, human beings, (supposedly) can control our impulses.
To a degree. But if it happens frequently people are bound to lose their patience. Now maybe you are the exception - and are capable of controlling your impulses perfect no matter how often a situation is repeated. Now if that is the case - you think really think of yourself as lucky.
Ahh...now we see the truth. You have rage issues, and you want ZoS to rescue you from them.
Try a therapist, it's infinitely more effective.
lol, says the person who is trying to get personal on the internet.
I'm not going to engage in trading insults with you. I am just stating the obvious, that if someone is repeatedly bothered by people pestering them for loot at the end of a dungeon it's only a matter of time before they become fed up and respond in kind. And I wouldn't blame them for doing so one bit.
That's called normal behavior. No therapy is needed.
/ignore, bro.
There are already tools to prevent people with an inability to control their reactions from being banned.
Not an insult, trying to help you out man.
I don't need to be helped out. But thank you none-the-less.
As I've stated numerous times - addons that contribute to players having to ignore each other should be scrapped unless there is a significant reason such an addon should be preserved. There is no such reason here.
Others in this thread have outlined the usefullness of these addons...
Which I found to be minor conveniences. Nothing to warrant the annoyance this addon contributes to.Edited by Jeremy on August 19, 2016 9:39PM0