So there's an addon that allows you to see other player's loot upon drop now...

LadyNalcarya

ESO_Must_Be_F2P wrote: »

author is so damb or what
add a poll to topic and you will see how many people will be against your pathetic point of view!

Maybe he/she just thinks that "harassment" is just an another word for "whisper"?

Transairion

Well this is really offensive to actual victims of harassment.

For that I'm only going off what other people have told me: I haven't been "assaulted" by players demanding loot like other players have reported, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If you assumed I had been you probably didn't read the actual original post and jumped on the bandwagon.

It's really damn annoying though to get a mass of tells from players about a drop I haven't checked yet because it dropped literally seconds earlier. What makes people think I'll want to sell something I haven't even seen yet? Or better yet, they just want it for free like most people who've whispered me for drops.

oh no! People are being harassed on the forums. Better remove the forums.

Itnis odd, you seem to have no problem telling people off on the forum. Saying no in the game shouldnt be that hard.

I do say no, but that doesn't mean it isn't annoying as hell and more a burden than a boon to have.

Having fishing pins placed is the map doesn't negatively affect anyone else, having other player's loot shown to you personally just opens you up to try and get stuff from them.

Maybe he/she just thinks that "harassment" is just an another word for "whisper"?

I haven't been harassed, other people have told me they have. I've just been quite annoyed.

But let's be honest, the same crowd here wanted Group Damage to stay as well, I saw all the abuse being hurled around those topics as well. Hopefully can get a @ZOS response before this one is closed for the same reason as the last one: excessive flaming from the Pro-Group Loot crowd.

I find it impossible to believe ESO becomes unplayable without Group Loot anymore.

DocFrost72

Inb4 LUI and FTC are removed from acceptable add-ons list, and the entire PvE community rages, hard.

But on a more serious note OP, if it bothers you that someone can see your helm, you might (I won't pretend to fully understand your situation in life) have a bit of a problem. You can do one of two things immediately;

Flag yourself as "Offline" once entering a dungeon, preventing whispers from being sent.

Create a chat channel for dungeons specifically that encompasses all BUT whispers (you can actually create a new chat window that turns whispers off)

Either one will solve your issue, the second you break group.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

Well this is really offensive to actual victims of harassment.

For that I'm only going off what other people have told me: I haven't been "assaulted" by players demanding loot like other players have reported, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If you assumed I had been you probably didn't read the actual original post and jumped on the bandwagon.

It's really damn annoying though to get a mass of tells from players about a drop I haven't checked yet because it dropped literally seconds earlier. What makes people think I'll want to sell something I haven't even seen yet? Or better yet, they just want it for free like most people who've whispered me for drops.

oh no! People are being harassed on the forums. Better remove the forums.

Itnis odd, you seem to have no problem telling people off on the forum. Saying no in the game shouldnt be that hard.

I do say no, but that doesn't mean it isn't annoying as hell and more a burden than a boon to have.

Having fishing pins placed is the map doesn't negatively affect anyone else, having other player's loot shown to you personally just opens you up to try and get stuff from them.

Pardon me, but youve started with:

Transairion wrote: »

This screams of;

I play a multi player game, I want this to be solo, don't make me subject to those around me.

I honestly do not understand how this effects someones game.

You don't understand how running a Trial/Dungeon and suddenly getting whispers of "Give me that piece!" out of nowhere negatively effects someone's game? At the very least if you got a desirable bound piece before and you didn't share it, you didn't get whispered over it.

And now its "harassment".
Its just as insensitive as calling someone who was trolled for playing a non-minmaxed race "a victim of Holocaust".

idk

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

People. Please let this thread did. Can you not see what OP is doing. Let the thread fall away into oblivion.

Tsss, Im curious

curious about what, being made a pasty?

Why so serious?
If there are any new assumptions of course.
There were assumptions about alts and guildies bullying someone cause of loot. I wonder if it gets even better, idk whats next?

Lol. You really play with people like that and keep playing with them. Of so its a personal issue. If this didn't exist is require you to link what you got. It would be a condition to come into the group. Would not care if you refused. Don't care if you disagree.

Transairion

But on a more serious note OP, if it bothers you that someone can see your helm, you might (I won't pretend to fully understand your situation in life) have a bit of a problem. You can do one of two things immediately;

Bandwagoning without reading the OP does nothing but make you look silly.

There is no problem with others seeing loot apart from the anti-social and undesirable behavior it creates from greedy people. It was one of the few, if only addons I'm aware of that can negatively impact others players but being installed into your personal ESO.

It's why Group Damage went away. It's why anything like Group Damage should go away.

And now its "harassment".
Its just as insensitive as calling someone who was trolled for playing a non-minmaxed race "a victim of Holocaust".

I never called my personal situation harassment, other players chimed in throughout the topic saying they were harassed for loot (via whispers/group disbanding/etc). I'm not going to just ignore them and pretend it doesn't exist, even if it hasn't happened to me.

My OP is literally the page 1 first post, where I very clearly set out that it's really damn annoying. Anything else you've put together on your own.

LadyNalcarya

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

People. Please let this thread did. Can you not see what OP is doing. Let the thread fall away into oblivion.

Tsss, Im curious

curious about what, being made a pasty?

Why so serious?
If there are any new assumptions of course.
There were assumptions about alts and guildies bullying someone cause of loot. I wonder if it gets even better, idk whats next?

Lol. You really play with people like that and keep playing with them. Of so its a personal issue. If this didn't exist is require you to link what you got. It would be a condition to come into the group. Would not care if you refused. Don't care if you disagree.

Umm what do you even mean?
I have a full inventory all the time - multiple sets of gear for different specs, repairs, food (also for different specs), potions... So even though I always share loot, I occasionally just miss something that my teammates might need. So theres a convenience part for me.
But I find the whole topic really hilarious (or really sad if its serious).

DocFrost72

Transairion wrote: »

But on a more serious note OP, if it bothers you that someone can see your helm, you might (I won't pretend to fully understand your situation in life) have a bit of a problem. You can do one of two things immediately;

Bandwagoning without reading the OP does nothing but make you look silly.

There is no problem with others seeing loot apart from the anti-social and undesirable behavior it creates from greedy people. It was one of the few, if only addons I'm aware of that can negatively impact others players but being installed into your personal ESO.

It's why Group Damage went away. It's why anything like Group Damage should go away.

And now its "harassment".
Its just as insensitive as calling someone who was trolled for playing a non-minmaxed race "a victim of Holocaust".

I never called my personal situation harassment, other players chimed in throughout the topic saying they were harassed for loot (via whispers/group disbanding/etc). I'm not going to just ignore them and pretend it doesn't exist, even if it hasn't happened to me.

My OP is literally the page 1 first post, where I very clearly set out that it's really damn annoying. Anything else you've put together on your own.

I'm not bandwagoning, just expressing my view that people who don't like this don't see it the same way I do. Kinda like how having this around is a "problem", because other disagree with my view.

I read the OP, and you seem to want something to be done. I'm telling you two things; If history has taught me anything, it won't. Two, there are immediate patch solutions.

Course, discouraging me from helping ain't cool =/

anitajoneb17_ESO

Transairion wrote: »

It's why Group Damage went away. It's why anything like Group Damage should go away.

No. GroupDamage went away for totally different reasons. Comparison invalid.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

But on a more serious note OP, if it bothers you that someone can see your helm, you might (I won't pretend to fully understand your situation in life) have a bit of a problem. You can do one of two things immediately;

Bandwagoning without reading the OP does nothing but make you look silly.

There is no problem with others seeing loot apart from the anti-social and undesirable behavior it creates from greedy people. It was one of the few, if only addons I'm aware of that can negatively impact others players but being installed into your personal ESO.

It's why Group Damage went away. It's why anything like Group Damage should go away.

And now its "harassment".
Its just as insensitive as calling someone who was trolled for playing a non-minmaxed race "a victim of Holocaust".

I never called my personal situation harassment, other players chimed in throughout the topic saying they were harassed for loot (via whispers/group disbanding/etc). I'm not going to just ignore them and pretend it doesn't exist, even if it hasn't happened to me.

My OP is literally the page 1 first post, where I very clearly set out that it's really damn annoying. Anything else you've put together on your own.

Yeah, chimed in with fears, assumptions and trolling.
Btw, I repeat my question - why cant you just tell them that you dont wanna share your loot? You kinda have a right to do so and you know, speaking to people can help to avoid many issues...
Also why are you so sure that people wont whisper you if there wont be such addon? Since sharing feature is here to stay, they will. "What did you get?" "Can you give it to me"? or even "Look, Transairion isnt posting, probably theyve got %BiSitemname%!". Essentially this addon just skips "what did you get" part and possible assumptions.

code65536

Transairion wrote: »

the same crowd here wanted Group Damage to stay as well

For the record, Anita was the most vocal champion of the Group Damage removal, but has been consistently pro-Loot in this thread; just look on the previous page.

Nobody is violating you privacy--they're not peeking into what items you have squirreled away in your bank. They are seeing what you picked up when you rummaged through the boss that they are standing right next to. "I'm about to yank this ring off of this monster. Everyone, please turn away and pretend that you can't see me doing this."

Transairion

No. GroupDamage went away for totally different reasons. Comparison invalid.

You'll have to elaborate then on how seeing other players DPS and kicking/harassing/making judgements on them based on your own addon use is different to seeing another's player loot and kicking/harassing them for said loot.

Group Damage wasn't removed because of the guilds using it for good convenient purposes, it was removed because of people being scumbags. The people ruining Group Loot aren't using it for good convenient purposes either, but it's far less dramatic than Group Damage was.

Btw, I repeat my question - why cant you just tell them that you dont wanna share your loot? You kinda have a right to do so and you know, speaking to people can help to avoid many issues...

Because I already do that? The people "abusing" Group Loot are messaging for trades literally as soon as the item has dropped, nobody has got the chance to offer it up for trade yet or even checked it in their inventory (assuming they themselves don't have an addon that shows trait, etc in the sidebar).

Also why are you so sure that people wont whisper you if there wont be such addon? Since sharing feature is here to stay, they will. "What did you get?" "Can you give it to me"? or even "Look, Transairion isnt posting, probably theyve got %BiSitemname%!". Essentially this addon just skips "what did you get" part and possible assumptions.

Because there's been a lot of loot and I didn't receive a single whisper from anyone about loot unless I linked it, pre Shadows of the Hist patch? That's the fact of the matter, this has only become an issue after BoP trading became available because of the "limited time offer" part of BoP loot. For an addon that has been around for years, no one has hammered the whisper key my way until SotH.

iRogue32

Transairion wrote: »

Given how quick the addon that allowed you to see other players DPS (among other things) was disapproved by Zenimax, will this receive a similar reaction?

I'll admit its gotten kind of annoying to, literally seconds after a boss has died to be receiving whispers from players with the addon wanting the the piece I just got. I mean darnit, let me see what the heck it even is first! A little privacy, I only just got the thing I'll link the stuff I don't want when I'm good and ready!

I doubt ZOS will remove any addons that allow you to see group loot. It's in their official API. This has been in the game for years. If they haven't removed it already, they aren't going to.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

No. GroupDamage went away for totally different reasons. Comparison invalid.

You'll have to elaborate then on how seeing other players DPS and kicking/harassing/making judgements on them based on your own addon use is different to seeing another's player loot and kicking/harassing them for said loot.

Group Damage wasn't removed because of the guilds using it for good convenient purposes, it was removed because of people being scumbags. The people ruining Group Loot aren't using it for good convenient purposes either, but it's far less dramatic than Group Damage was.

Group damage used some non-intended things, if I remember correctly. And thats why it was removed.

Darlon

iRogue32 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

Given how quick the addon that allowed you to see other players DPS (among other things) was disapproved by Zenimax, will this receive a similar reaction?

I'll admit its gotten kind of annoying to, literally seconds after a boss has died to be receiving whispers from players with the addon wanting the the piece I just got. I mean darnit, let me see what the heck it even is first! A little privacy, I only just got the thing I'll link the stuff I don't want when I'm good and ready!

I doubt ZOS will remove any addons that allow you to see group loot. It's in their official API. This has been in the game for years. If they haven't removed it already, they aren't going to.

Group damage was in their api also, and still it got removed (unfortunately). So that's not really an argument.

lardvader

There are pros and cons to this. I've been pestered only once to give up something but it ended when I said sorry no.

I use this add on myself among my friends and what we do when we see something desirable drops is to tag the item to the group chat and ask for trade or to buy. Then it's entirely up to the person and they can whisper you if they're interested.

I hope the add on stays and would prefer if people are more humble about it, but then again I hope for peace on earth and all that...

Haven't checked and don't think this works but if you're in offline mode the loot info should not be displayed even while grouped just to give people an option if they want to share this info or not.

iRogue32

Darlon wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

Given how quick the addon that allowed you to see other players DPS (among other things) was disapproved by Zenimax, will this receive a similar reaction?

I'll admit its gotten kind of annoying to, literally seconds after a boss has died to be receiving whispers from players with the addon wanting the the piece I just got. I mean darnit, let me see what the heck it even is first! A little privacy, I only just got the thing I'll link the stuff I don't want when I'm good and ready!

I doubt ZOS will remove any addons that allow you to see group loot. It's in their official API. This has been in the game for years. If they haven't removed it already, they aren't going to.

Group damage was in their api also, and still it got removed (unfortunately). So that's not really an argument.

Actually it wasn't. ZOS did not intend for Addon creators to have access to that data.

Transairion

iRogue32 wrote: »

Actually it wasn't. ZOS did not intend for Addon creators to have access to that data.

It's really hard to know what ZOS intends to be available for addon creators in any case without ZOS posts to clear it up... =/

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

No. GroupDamage went away for totally different reasons. Comparison invalid.

You'll have to elaborate then on how seeing other players DPS and kicking/harassing/making judgements on them based on your own addon use is different to seeing another's player loot and kicking/harassing them for said loot.

Group Damage wasn't removed because of the guilds using it for good convenient purposes, it was removed because of people being scumbags. The people ruining Group Loot aren't using it for good convenient purposes either, but it's far less dramatic than Group Damage was.

Btw, I repeat my question - why cant you just tell them that you dont wanna share your loot? You kinda have a right to do so and you know, speaking to people can help to avoid many issues...

Because I already do that? The people "abusing" Group Loot are messaging for trades literally as soon as the item has dropped, nobody has got the chance to offer it up for trade yet or even checked it in their inventory (assuming they themselves don't have an addon that shows trait, etc in the sidebar).

Also why are you so sure that people wont whisper you if there wont be such addon? Since sharing feature is here to stay, they will. "What did you get?" "Can you give it to me"? or even "Look, Transairion isnt posting, probably theyve got %BiSitemname%!". Essentially this addon just skips "what did you get" part and possible assumptions.

Because there's been a lot of loot and I didn't receive a single whisper from anyone about loot unless I linked it, pre Shadows of the Hist patch? That's the fact of the matter, this has only become an issue after BoP trading became available because of the "limited time offer" part of BoP loot. For an addon that has been around for years, no one has hammered the whisper key my way until SotH.

Go offline mode then? So no one can whisper you.
Those people will still whisper you even without an addon, addon just helps you to skip "what did you get" part. So youre actually getting one whisper less because of it.
Yes, you started getting whispers after SotH patch simply because it introduced trading BoP loot. Addons that show loot existed before, but it was pointless to ask for already bound item.

Edit: and yeah, Group Damage was removed because it used some kind of loophole in the api. QQ just brought ZOS' attention to it.
Edit 2: but pugs havent become any more friendlier since then, which proves my point. Addons are just tools, and if people are rude, they will be rude in any situation.

Transairion

Go offline mode then? So no one can whisper you.
Those people will still whisper you even without an addon, addon just helps you skip "what did you get" part. So youre actually getting one whisper less because of it.
Yes, you started getting whispers after SotH patch simply because it introduced trading BoP loot. Addons that show loot existed before, but it was pointless to ask for already bound item.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say now... I have never, or even heard of people whispering each other to ask "what did you get?" in any group content. So no, just turtling up and going Offline isn't a solution to other player's addon use, because literally only players with the addon are a problem (and most of the time they use chat like everyone else so you don't notice, I can only assume).

So no, "go offline if you don't like this players addon" is not a solution. Why should someone change how they play because another player might be a jerk because of an addon? Would you make your group think you've DC'd "because someone might use that addon!". I don't think so.

cjthibs

The amount of effort the OP has expended talking about this is equal to telling at least 500,000 people no or /ignoring them.

ESO_Must_Be_F2P

Transairion wrote: »

iRogue32 wrote: »

Actually it wasn't. ZOS did not intend for Addon creators to have access to that data.

It's really hard to know what ZOS intends to be available for addon creators in any case without ZOS posts to clear it up... =/

hey hanny
you need to read patchnotes of that patch
google it!

ZOS told it was UNINTEND error on their side

anitajoneb17_ESO

Transairion wrote: »

No. GroupDamage went away for totally different reasons. Comparison invalid.

You'll have to elaborate then on how seeing other players DPS and kicking/harassing/making judgements on them based on your own addon use is different to seeing another's player loot and kicking/harassing them for said loot.

Group Damage wasn't removed because of the guilds using it for good convenient purposes, it was removed because of people being scumbags. The people ruining Group Loot aren't using it for good convenient purposes either, but it's far less dramatic than Group Damage was.

Because GroupDamage was measuring people's PERFORMANCE for everyone to judge, based on ONE criteria (DPS) which is by far not only skill factor in this game and shouldn't become the only criteria. Also because 95% of the dungeons do not require high DPS to complete, making GroupDamage an unnecessary evil (while I still reckoned its usefulness in progression groups, though). Also, there was no way to work around other people seeing your DPS against your will and most times without even your knowledge.

Loot isn't a PERFORMANCE. Loot is loot, you can't influence it. That's the difference. Another big difference is that there are countless workarounds to avoid people whispering you for buying your loot (not going to repeat here what other people have explained to you form A to Z all over this thread).

code65536 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

the same crowd here wanted Group Damage to stay as well

For the record, Anita was the most vocal champion of the Group Damage removal, but has been consistently pro-Loot in this thread; just look on the previous page.

Nobody is violating you privacy--they're not peeking into what items you have squirreled away in your bank. They are seeing what you picked up when you rummaged through the boss that they are standing right next to. "I'm about to yank this ring off of this monster. Everyone, please turn away and pretend that you can't see me doing this."

Correct, and I agree with you.
I've been using a group loot addon (I think the Wykkyd one in my case) for over a year. Admittedly, it felt a little bit odd and intrusive at first, but it's convenient for discovering all different loot you can get in a dungeon, sometimes nicely teasing a guildmate who got yet another prosperous footman ice staff, and now that we can share, it's even more useful. Else we would all have to link all the time.

Yes, sometimes you can get pressure to sell something you'd prefer to selfishly keep for yourself instead of helping your friends get their complete set together. Either say No (it's harder with a friend than with a stranger imho), or negotiate, or just be happy to share and help, whatever suits you best. That's simply part of being/playing with people.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

Go offline mode then? So no one can whisper you.
Those people will still whisper you even without an addon, addon just helps you skip "what did you get" part. So youre actually getting one whisper less because of it.
Yes, you started getting whispers after SotH patch simply because it introduced trading BoP loot. Addons that show loot existed before, but it was pointless to ask for already bound item.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say now... I have never, or even heard of people whispering each other to ask "what did you get?" in any group content. So no, just turtling up and going Offline isn't a solution to other player's addon use, because literally only players with the addon are a problem (and most of the time they use chat like everyone else so you don't notice, I can only assume).

So no, "go offline if you don't like this players addon" is not a solution. Why should someone change how they play because another player might be a jerk because of an addon?

Im not sure why you cant see this.
Even without an addon those people would still need the items, right?
Most of players are not clairvoyant, right?
So they would need to know which items youve got before they ask for them... Right?
Thats why they will need to ask you first.

And its absolutely not related to an addon.
And for God's sake, stop calling people asking for items "jerks". They might be jerks, or might be just screwed by rng, who knows.
Just asking is not rude.

Transairion

Loot isn't a PERFORMANCE. Loot is loot, you can't influence it. That's the difference. Another big difference is that there are countless workarounds to avoid people whispering you for buying your loot (not going to repeat here what other people have explained to you form A to Z all over this thread).

Given the "workarounds" are literally:

1) Pretend you're not playing
2) Ignore everyone who talks to you
3) Hope people take "no" for an answer if they're hounding you

They're not exactly amazing and require any player having problems due to Group Loot to change their behavior in response to other people's addon. That's not exactly fair. People should stop being greedy and do what everyone else does and wait for people to offer to sell/give away, then do so. It's worked for a whole lot of Trial groups I've run, but if there's bad eggs abusing it no point keeping it.

Im not sure why you cant see this.
Even without an addon those people would still need the items, right?
Most of players are not clairvoyant, right?
So they would need to know which items youve got before they ask for them... Right?
Thats why they will need to ask you first.

And its absolutely not related to an addon.
And for God's sake, stop calling people asking for items "jerks". They might be jerks, or might be just screwed by rng, who knows.
Just asking is not rude.

I've done hundreds of Trials and literally NO-ONE has whispered me asking "what loot did you get". The only people who've whispered me for loot are those who've got Group Loot and can see the loot I've gotten dropped from a boss. What you're saying is a fabricated situation. Every group I've run with links loot (as they feel like it) in the group chat. Everyone can see the group chat, and offer via whispers happen after someone has offered to sell/bragged about/etc their item. This is not a problem. Socialization is good.

The people who are skipping the socialization and going right for "I saw you got this because I can see your loot, can I have this?" are the ones outside the norm. And it's unpleasant, yes. Is asking after you've linked something rude? No, you linked it.

Is asking someone to sell something they've only got that second rude? In my view it is. It's annoying but I'm not going to pretend to be Offline because someone MIGHT do that.

iRogue32

Transairion wrote: »

Go offline mode then? So no one can whisper you.
Those people will still whisper you even without an addon, addon just helps you skip "what did you get" part. So youre actually getting one whisper less because of it.
Yes, you started getting whispers after SotH patch simply because it introduced trading BoP loot. Addons that show loot existed before, but it was pointless to ask for already bound item.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say now... I have never, or even heard of people whispering each other to ask "what did you get?" in any group content. So no, just turtling up and going Offline isn't a solution to other player's addon use, because literally only players with the addon are a problem (and most of the time they use chat like everyone else so you don't notice, I can only assume).

So no, "go offline if you don't like this players addon" is not a solution. Why should someone change how they play because another player might be a jerk because of an addon? Would you make your group think you've DC'd "because someone might use that addon!". I don't think so.

Asking you a simple question does not make someone a jerk. At this point it seems you are not ready to handle social interaction and it might be best that you look to a single player game where you can enjoy the luxury of privacy and not have to deal with "jerks" who are interested in getting certain items.

iRogue32

Transairion wrote: »

Loot isn't a PERFORMANCE. Loot is loot, you can't influence it. That's the difference. Another big difference is that there are countless workarounds to avoid people whispering you for buying your loot (not going to repeat here what other people have explained to you form A to Z all over this thread).

Given the "workarounds" are literally:

1) Pretend you're not playing
2) Ignore everyone who talks to you
3) Hope people take "no" for an answer if they're hounding you

They're not exactly amazing and require any player having problems due to Group Loot to change their behavior in response to other people's addon. That's not exactly fair. People should stop being greedy and do what everyone else does and wait for people to offer to sell/give away, then do so. It's worked for a whole lot of Trial groups I've run, but if there's bad eggs abusing it no point keeping it.

Life isn't fair princess. The world does not revolve around you. How about you just don't respond to people who whisper you about your items. There, problem solved. Can we lock this post now?

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

Loot isn't a PERFORMANCE. Loot is loot, you can't influence it. That's the difference. Another big difference is that there are countless workarounds to avoid people whispering you for buying your loot (not going to repeat here what other people have explained to you form A to Z all over this thread).

Given the "workarounds" are literally:

1) Pretend you're not playing
2) Ignore everyone who talks to you
3) Hope people take "no" for an answer if they're hounding you

They're not exactly amazing and require any player having problems due to Group Loot to change their behavior in response to other people's addon. That's not exactly fair. People should stop being greedy and do what everyone else does and wait for people to offer to sell/give away, then do so. It's worked for a whole lot of Trial groups I've run, but if there's bad eggs abusing it no point keeping it.

By saying this, you basically devaluate the very meaning of "problems".
Its an actual issue with many kinds of problematic topics, by the way. Depression, for example - so many people tend to call bad mood "depression" that people with an actual issue are not taken seriously.
And after those threads calling a simple whisper (or their own fantasies) "harassment", "jerks", "problems" and such, youre potentially making someones actual issues with harassment invisible. Its just like with that tale about the boy and the wolves, but everyone is that boy.

LadyNalcarya

Transairion wrote: »

Loot isn't a PERFORMANCE. Loot is loot, you can't influence it. That's the difference. Another big difference is that there are countless workarounds to avoid people whispering you for buying your loot (not going to repeat here what other people have explained to you form A to Z all over this thread).

Given the "workarounds" are literally:

1) Pretend you're not playing
2) Ignore everyone who talks to you
3) Hope people take "no" for an answer if they're hounding you

They're not exactly amazing and require any player having problems due to Group Loot to change their behavior in response to other people's addon. That's not exactly fair. People should stop being greedy and do what everyone else does and wait for people to offer to sell/give away, then do so. It's worked for a whole lot of Trial groups I've run, but if there's bad eggs abusing it no point keeping it.

Im not sure why you cant see this.
Even without an addon those people would still need the items, right?
Most of players are not clairvoyant, right?
So they would need to know which items youve got before they ask for them... Right?
Thats why they will need to ask you first.

And its absolutely not related to an addon.
And for God's sake, stop calling people asking for items "jerks". They might be jerks, or might be just screwed by rng, who knows.
Just asking is not rude.

I've done hundreds of Trials and literally NO-ONE has whispered me asking "what loot did you get". The only people who've whispered me for loot are those who've got Group Loot and can see the loot I've gotten dropped from a boss. What you're saying is a fabricated situation. Every group I've run with links loot (as they feel like it) in the group chat. Everyone can see the group chat, and offer via whispers happen after someone has offered to sell/bragged about/etc their item. This is not a problem. Socialization is good.

The people who are skipping the socialization and going right for "I saw you got this because I can see your loot, can I have this?" are the ones outside the norm. And it's unpleasant, yes. Is asking after you've linked something rude? No, you linked it.

Is asking someone to sell something they've only got that second rude? In my view it is. It's annoying but I'm not going to pretend to be Offline because someone MIGHT do that.

BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE YOUR LOOT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ADDON. ALSO BECAUSE IT WAS ADDED JUST RECENTLY.
Im sorry, but Im a bit tired of writng same stuff over and over again.
And yeah, socialization is good. Calling people jerks and accusing in harassment because of simple question isnt.

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Asking you a simple question does not make someone a jerk. At this point it seems you are not ready to handle social interaction and it might be best that you look to a single player game where you can enjoy the luxury of privacy and not have to deal with "jerks" who are interested in getting certain items.

That's funny, given it's not public information. I'm sure it'd go over real well if I asked someone on the street what color underwear they were wearing, and then told them the correct colour/style/etc because I'm omnipotent.

If you can't see what's wrong with that situation, I can't help you. It's either public or it's not, and for ESO that information isn't public without an addon. If someone wants to ask someone about loot, they're free to do so once they've... you know, mentioned it.

Not start hammering whispers away the second it drops because Group Loot shows everyone's else loot.

BECAUSE THEY CAN SEE YOUR LOOT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ADDON. ALSO BECAUSE IT WAS ADDED JUST RECENTLY.
Im sorry, but Im a bit tired of writng same stuff over and over again.
And yeah, socialization is good. Calling people jerks and accusing in harassment because of simple question isnt.

I haven't accused anyone of harassment; other people have literally said in this topic they were harassed for loot because of Lootdrop. If that's a non-issue for you, fine, I can't pay you to care you can do what you want but it's pretty sucky to have it exist for something as stupid as "mah loots".

ESO apparently went years with this addon and nobody was an ass about it, BoP loot seems to have ruined that because of "I need it before it binds gimme gimme!"