So there's an addon that allows you to see other player's loot upon drop now...

Averya_Teira

Divinius wrote: »

Removing the feature would prevent problems.

I've yet to see any explanation or viable need to keep the feature.

Ergo, it should be removed. It's that simple.

Taking time away from devs to fix actual problems (they are obviously creating new hats and not fixing things, but whatever)? That seems like a pretty huge *** explanation to keep it....

Angelus3701

I would like ZOS to implement something like the addon officially.

LadyNalcarya

I dont know why even worry about this.
Yeah, there are people begging for random things out of the blue. I was getting whispers like "can you craft me %itemname%?" or "do you have a vamp bite for me?" (without even saying hello). But you can just, you know, say "no" and if that person is acting rude, then you can just blacklist them.
Also, expecting your dungeon buddies to harrass you is a very bad sign. Maybe playing with people who actually respect you would be a solution, and if we're talking about pugs, why even care about them? They cant take that item away, and if they're rude, you can always leave them (bonus points if youre a tank or healer).

rhapsodious

When I'm running with friends, there's no problem because we all know what everyone else wants and just openly offer "hey, I know you were looking for VO, do you want this crappy well-fitted hat?" Only problem is when two people want the same thing and you get a good piece of it.

With pugs, if I feel like someone's going to be annoying about it (and no, simply asking "are you going to use that Eternal Yokeda ring?" is not annoying), the easiest approach when the inevitable /w comes in is to just lie and say "sorry, I'm going to use this/use it on an alt". If they insist on being irritating beyond that, then to the ignore list they go. But most people are reasonable.

So far I'm not having any real issues with it, considering most of us link our drops - crappy or otherwise - anyway. Like the powered Ice Staff of the Eternal Yokeda I got the other day. Nobody wanted my phat loot. ;_;

newtinmpls

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

To be fair, you cant call the issue unresolved. You may not like it. But it is working as intended.

/heavy Spanish accent

"I do not think that word means what you think it means"

anyhoo, the point I want to address is the whole "working as intended". Shared loot info does not display in the base game. So something that violates that and displays it is doing the opposite of "working as intended"

vyndral13preub18_ESO

newtinmpls wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

To be fair, you cant call the issue unresolved. You may not like it. But it is working as intended.

/heavy Spanish accent

"I do not think that word means what you think it means"

anyhoo, the point I want to address is the whole "working as intended". Shared loot info does not display in the base game. So something that violates that and displays it is doing the opposite of "working as intended"

I dont really need an accent. The game is designed to support addons. Yes/no?

Was the specifc code needed for the addons left in the API on purpose so an addon could do this? Yes/no.

Little quiz for you. Just an fyi the answer to both is yes. Working as intended? Yes.

gard

Transairion wrote: »

Actually it is more like someone in the street asking you if you have a toaster, you not answering, and them responding, Sir I can see it, you are holding a toaster in your hands.

Not creepy at all. Closer to mildly amusing.

What? That's just an incredibly bad comparison.

If somebody sees you carrying a toaster on the street, do you accuse them of intruding your privacy? That's a much more accurate one rofl :P

Er no it is not, because ESO's loot isn't publically viewable except for your own personal loot.

"Do you have a toaster?"

"....."

"Sir I just looked in the back of your car and you do indeed have a brand new toaster"

"What the hell were you doing near my car?"

"Want to sell that toaster? I'll trade you this wooden blender for it"


You literally cannot see other people's loot in ESO without snooping via an addon, or asking like a normal person might.

Broadcast party loot regardless if an addon is used or not. Problem solved. I'd be willing to wager that the reason it's not is accidental.

You wouldn't have that loot if it weren't for the efforts of your groupmates, would you?
Unless you have been soloing ICP lately?

Jeremy

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

I really do find that this game contains a rather large group of crybabies.

jesus... anything to complain about.

You mean like the people crying for other people's loot and then sending them nasty tells when they don't comply with their wishes?

I agree.

There's an ignore feature if your feeling get hurt.

And there is an ignore feature if your feeling get hurt.

What is your point?

My comment had nothing to do with feelings anyway. It was to more accurately describe those who harass other players for their loot as the actual cry babies.

gard

Transairion wrote: »

I really do find that this game contains a rather large group of crybabies.

jesus... anything to complain about.

Then I'm glad you at least have not been hounded by other players for loot you haven't even checked in your inventory yet (this has already happened multiple times to me, bafflingly. Sometimes I get really desirable loot or something).

It shouldn't he hard to understand why it's undesirable. Certain "pushy people" ruining it for the rest of you. To be honest I don't see any reason why anyone should know information about another player's stats, loot or otherwise especially if they're just going to be nasty about it.

What's the harm in asking, assuming the asking stops at the first no?

Say no. If they persist, there's always ignore.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

This thread has made me uncomfortable. It needs removed.

cjthibs

So...BOP trading is now a thing, and because other people have the audacity to attempt to take advantage of that trading this is now a fourth amendment issue? I'm happy this gets advertised in my chat because now I don't have to go through the exercise of linking all of the stuff that I'm going to freely give away to my guildies in chat.

Seriously snowflakes? This is the kind of thing we get upset about now?
Sharing? Someone else is jealous of your toys so you need to get the teacher to make them leave you alone?

Daveheart

Also if you're looking for training as to how these add-ons actually help, take someone who can be absent-minded like me. Let's say we're just doing a random gold pledge, and it happens to be Crypt of Hearts. I've had about the best RNG luck you can have on Nerien'eth. I don't really pay attention if I'm in that dungeon; if I happened to get yet another divines head piece in any weight, I wouldn't notice. Someone with a group loot add-on who needed the helm probably would notice. That player wouldn't get their helm of it weren't for group loot add-ons.

It's actually functionality is love to see added to the base game patch, but considering how little I like the games default loot log, I doubt I'd enjoy their implementation.

Jeremy

cjthibs wrote: »

So...BOP trading is now a thing, and because other people have the audacity to attempt to take advantage of that trading this is now a fourth amendment issue? I'm happy this gets advertised in my chat because now I don't have to go through the exercise of linking all of the stuff that I'm going to freely give away to my guildies in chat.

Seriously snowflakes? This is the kind of thing we get upset about now?
Sharing? Someone else is jealous of your toys so you need to get the teacher to make them leave you alone?

I think you misunderstand the other side of this debate.

It's not the sharing that annoys them. It's the harassment that often follows when you do not acquiesce to trading them your loot.

The just ignore them counter argument may sound short and sweet but it's not very persuasive. For example: you can just ignore gold sellers too - yet that didn't stop people from being annoyed by them now did it?

If ESO intends for other players to see everyone's loot then they need to add it to the base game and let the bargaining/fighting over loot commence. Otherwise - I believe this addon needs to be disabled for the good of the game as it lays the foundation for conflict - which MMORPGs can do without.

gard

Divinius wrote: »

Removing the feature would prevent problems.

I've yet to see any explanation or viable need to keep the feature.

Ergo, it should be removed. It's that simple.

If I complete ICP (or any harder dungeon) as part of a group, and gear drops that I need, I'd like the opportunity to ask the lucky recipient to give it or sell it to me.

I feel it's fair for me to ask, since the person wouldn't have completed the dungeon without the rest of the party's contribution.

To remove the feature would be to rob our younger generation of the opportunity to learn all about "no"
Saying it, and hearing it.

There's your viable need.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Jeremy wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

So...BOP trading is now a thing, and because other people have the audacity to attempt to take advantage of that trading this is now a fourth amendment issue? I'm happy this gets advertised in my chat because now I don't have to go through the exercise of linking all of the stuff that I'm going to freely give away to my guildies in chat.

Seriously snowflakes? This is the kind of thing we get upset about now?
Sharing? Someone else is jealous of your toys so you need to get the teacher to make them leave you alone?

I think you misunderstand the other side of this debate.

It's not the sharing that annoys them. It's the harassment that often follows when you do not acquiesce to trading them your loot.

The just ignore them counter argument may sound short and sweet but it's not very persuasive. For example: you can just ignore gold sellers too - yet that didn't stop people from being annoyed by them now did it?

If ESO intends for other players to see everyone's loot then they need to add it to the base game and let the bargaining/fighting over loot commence. Otherwise - I believe this addon needs to be disabled for the good of the game as it lays the foundation for conflict - which MMORPGs can do without.

Time to remove the chat channels as well?

I mean your counter arguement to just ignore them, is they still annoy me. So chat channels need to go as well.

Shader_Shibes

This bothers you, really? Not like its your CC details or whatever.

Get a grip.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

There is no expectation of privacy in Daedric Pocket Realms.

There goes your 4th amendment arguments you crack team of Tamriel Lawyers. Seriously there are not enough faces and not enough palms for this entire thread.

If someone wants your precious Ice Furnace Greaves with Prosperous traits and you need them for RP in Riften, Just LEARN TO SAY NO.

You guys like to Role Play so how about Role Playing someone with an actual backbone. Another great addon is about to be ruined because some people can't handle potential human interaction.

This is such a non-issue. But the API keeps getting restricted because of fragile snowflakes.

Shadesofkin

Jeremy wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

I really do find that this game contains a rather large group of crybabies.

jesus... anything to complain about.

You mean like the people crying for other people's loot and then sending them nasty tells when they don't comply with their wishes?

I agree.

My problem with your statement is that it only shows the sort of bad people you play with.

I mean, not a single one of the players I group with would continue asking after the first firm No, because (apparently) unlike the people you're describing, I have genuinely worthwhile and good human beings in my guilds.

Which, I mean, why are we all going to get punished for the act of such obvious villains as the ones you deal with? Keep the add-on as is.

Jeremy

gard wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Removing the feature would prevent problems.

I've yet to see any explanation or viable need to keep the feature.

Ergo, it should be removed. It's that simple.

If I complete ICP (or any harder dungeon) as part of a group, and gear drops that I need, I'd like the opportunity to ask the lucky recipient to give it or sell it to me.

I feel it's fair for me to ask, since the person wouldn't have completed the dungeon without the rest of the party's contribution.

To remove the feature would be to rob our younger generation of the opportunity to learn all about "no"
Saying it, and hearing it.

There's your viable need.

You can still ask other players if they got the loot you are after. Disabling this addon would not prevent you from doing that. So at best, all this addon does it offer you the convenience of not having to ask first.

Now ask yourself - is that small convenience worth the dozens (probably hundreds actually) of players who are going to find themselves in awkward or hostile situations because of this addon? I say no. But I'm a big boy, so we can agree to disagree.

Nestor

Changing the game will not fix annoying players.

Jeremy

Nestor wrote: »

Changing the game will not fix annoying players.

No. But disabling this addon will make it easier for others to avoid having to interact with them.

Divinius

I really don't get why people are so adamantly against the removal of this feature, given the abusive problems that it will now create.

If you really want to share your loot with your group without having to manually link everything in chat, couldn't the reverse of the addon be created? An addon that automatically sends your loot to group chat? Then players could choose whether to share their loot automatically or not. Problem solved.

cjthibs

Jeremy wrote: »

cjthibs wrote: »

So...BOP trading is now a thing, and because other people have the audacity to attempt to take advantage of that trading this is now a fourth amendment issue? I'm happy this gets advertised in my chat because now I don't have to go through the exercise of linking all of the stuff that I'm going to freely give away to my guildies in chat.

Seriously snowflakes? This is the kind of thing we get upset about now?
Sharing? Someone else is jealous of your toys so you need to get the teacher to make them leave you alone?

I think you misunderstand the other side of this debate.

It's not the sharing that annoys them. It's the harassment that often follows when you do not acquiesce to trading them your loot.

The just ignore them counter argument may sound short and sweet but it's not very persuasive. For example: you can just ignore gold sellers too - yet that didn't stop people from being annoyed by them now did it?

If ESO intends for other players to see everyone's loot then they need to add it to the base game and let the bargaining/fighting over loot commence. Otherwise - I believe this addon needs to be disabled for the good of the game as it lays the foundation for conflict - which MMORPGs can do without.

If you want a game with zero potential for conflict with other players...go play a single player game.
Seriously, just because a potential for some conflict to exist is not a reason to change the game, or remove useful functionality.

That your, or someone else's, feels got injured by someone who was more persistent than he/she should've been is not a structural problem with the game. It's a problem of individuals who are selfish, immature, and/or stupid.

Get better friends, learn to not be bothered about things you can't control, and live your life instead of being offended at every single thing out there.

cjthibs

Jeremy wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Changing the game will not fix annoying players.

No. But disabling this addon will make it easier for others to avoid having to interact with them.

If your aim is to avoid people you shouldn't be playing a Massively Multiplayer Online Game.

Shadesofkin

cjthibs wrote: »

Get better friends

This is really the thing that seems to be at the core of it.

Why are you pugging? Where are your online friends? Where is your guild? Who on earth would actively seek out to do dungeons and trials with people they don't know and then be upset at practices they're not used to such as using LUI?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Someone help me! I Joined this group and now these people are trying to talk to me!

Jeremy

Divinius wrote: »

I really don't get why people are so adamantly against the removal of this feature, given the abusive problems that it will now create.

If you really want to share your loot with your group without having to manually link everything in chat, couldn't the reverse of the addon be created? An addon that automatically sends your loot to group chat? Then players could choose whether to share their loot automatically or not. Problem solved.

I agree. I don't see that the positive this addon brings outweighs the negative. The reverse is true in my judgement.

You are still free to let others know which loot you are after. All disabling this addon would do is ensure that a player who does not wish to share that information or trade his/her loot with others cannot be be singled out for harassment by others.

Is this a huge deal? No. The end of Tamriel is not upon us. But I can definitely understand why this addon annoys people - especially those who have had to deal with lingering harassment and name-calling that persist even after the dungeon is over with. And this is something that would not have likely occurred were this addon unavailable or disabled. So it is a contributing factor regardless of what others may say.

LadyNalcarya

Jeremy wrote: »

gard wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

Removing the feature would prevent problems.

I've yet to see any explanation or viable need to keep the feature.

Ergo, it should be removed. It's that simple.

If I complete ICP (or any harder dungeon) as part of a group, and gear drops that I need, I'd like the opportunity to ask the lucky recipient to give it or sell it to me.

I feel it's fair for me to ask, since the person wouldn't have completed the dungeon without the rest of the party's contribution.

To remove the feature would be to rob our younger generation of the opportunity to learn all about "no"
Saying it, and hearing it.

There's your viable need.

You can still ask other players if they got the loot you are after. Disabling this addon would not prevent you from doing that. So at best, all this addon does it offer you the convenience of not having to ask first.

Now ask yourself - is that small convenience worth the dozens (probably hundreds actually) of players who are going to find themselves in awkward or hostile situations because of this addon? I say no. But I'm a big boy, so we can agree to disagree.

You see, you cant balance things around hostile people and things they might do. Its like saying you shouldnt take your smartphone and wallet with you because you might be robbed by bandits.
Its a game and those hostile people cant do any harm except writing stuff in chat. But you can just block them and leave them in any case.

Jeremy

cjthibs wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Changing the game will not fix annoying players.

No. But disabling this addon will make it easier for others to avoid having to interact with them.

If your aim is to avoid people you shouldn't be playing a Massively Multiplayer Online Game.

You are mischaracterizing my post. I never said I wanted to avoid people. That is a ridiculous interpretation of what I said.

Just because I recognize that this addon makes it more likely that others will have to interact with annoying people who want something they have and expect that they give it to them - that does not follow that I want to generally just avoid people. And if you can't understand that difference, then I don't know what to tell you.

Jeremy

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Someone help me! I Joined this group and now these people are trying to talk to me!

You can still talk to group members or ask them if they got a certain piece of loot you are after without this addon.