Thats is partly due to Zenimax "DONT TELL, KEEP IT IN THE DARK" policy. We simply dont know if some people "tweak" their stats in CE or they simply are good, as the confidence towards Zenimax's anti method is at an all time low. I certainly dont shout "cheat" myself in zone but can maybe understand the frustration. So you can be mad all you want at the players but in the end its Zenimax's responsibility to provide evidence of a cheatfree enviroment. So you are wrong sorrym12d12_ESO wrote: »
m12d12_ESO wrote: »No Company, game, bank, online retail, or other is going to post how many hackers it expels or intercepts.
m12d12_ESO wrote: »First off, Zenimax isn't obliged to give us explanations or proof that it's doing what we expect. We need to be adults here.
IF you believe a game is being neglected by the company that runs it, find another game to play. BUT if you want to help them, do what they ask and report with credible proof.
Though there are have been past and current cheating, PVP has gone mad with people assuming EVERYONE is cheating.
The vast majority of people playing this game don't cheat. However, because they are good players or they may use perfectly acceptable macros on a mouse or keyboard, they get accused of hard-core cheating.
All this yelling of cheating in zone and calling people out is getting old, even for me. I have noticed I play PVP less and less because of all the drama. I ESPECIALLY dislike the way we pick, and attack, and name call each other in zone.
We don't seem to care if we are wrong or right, just that we attack and accuse, mindless of how we may effect a real-persons feelings or life.
Just my 2-cents worth.
Idinuse wrote:"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums)."
ToS from Eso
Thank you for providing the quote, @Idinuse, using macros is against the terms of service. We certainly don't mind a thread being created to ask about this, but this is starting to delve into more detail than is acceptable on the forums so we are locking this thread.
Besides. The big problem isn't as much the Macro software delivered by Razer, Logitech or other manufacturers of gaming devices. The real problem is third party Macro software with advanced automation like pixel monitoring and lag handling. Either way. Macros are against the ToS and regarded as cheating, no matter if it makes your play harder (influence) or makes it easier (advantage), it's against the ToS that we all have signed and accepted.
Besides. The big problem isn't as much the Macro software delivered by Razer, Logitech or other manufacturers of gaming devices. The real problem is third party Macro software with advanced automation like pixel monitoring and lag handling. Either way. Macros are against the ToS and regarded as cheating, no matter if it makes your play harder (influence) or makes it easier (advantage), it's against the ToS that we all have signed and accepted.
I have watched a few popular streamers and seen them using addons like craftbrewer where it will macro the making of potions. Although this gives no advantage over anyone in game, is this macro allowed? Where do you draw the line on what is and what isnt allowed i wonder )) I also dislike making potions as hitting the R button over 200 times is annoying and totally unnecessary and probably lead to RSI on my hands.
Besides. The big problem isn't as much the Macro software delivered by Razer, Logitech or other manufacturers of gaming devices. The real problem is third party Macro software with advanced automation like pixel monitoring and lag handling. Either way. Macros are against the ToS and regarded as cheating, no matter if it makes your play harder (influence) or makes it easier (advantage), it's against the ToS that we all have signed and accepted.
I have watched a few popular streamers and seen them using addons like craftbrewer where it will macro the making of potions. Although this gives no advantage over anyone in game, is this macro allowed? Where do you draw the line on what is and what isnt allowed i wonder )) I also dislike making potions as hitting the R button over 200 times is annoying and totally unnecessary and probably lead to RSI on my hands.
Well. The ToS actually states third party software. Weather using addon LUA is considered third party software or not I don't know. But these extremes examples... Sometimes I beleive using one's intelligence is required and I'm sure Zos uses theirs in matters like this.
As to RSI side-effects of in game actions. Nothing is required nor demanded by Zos to be performed ingame, it's the player's choice. I could press the jump button 2000 times, get a blister on my thumb, and parading it in front of Zos as evidence that Macros should be allowed would do no good. Nothing in game makes it a necessity for me to press jump 2000 times in a row, nor you to press R 200 times.
Although the excellent addons that make tedious chores fast and efficient are blessings indeed. So thanks Zos for allowing that ingame.
Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@KingMagaw addons not a macroses
adon using API ZOS provided
and ZOS allow this api
google Multicraft addon
or DoItAll
they all legal, because ZOS allowed them at first place, adding open function to craft 1000 poisons in one click for example
i dont understand how players still dont using them
its a pain to multi-craft without addon or transfer items to bank one by one
or many more things addons doing faster and in one click
like change all your skills in 1s or all your gear
if you know nothing about how addons works, please hold yourself from false accusations forever
It's implicit by the nature of add-ons. Add-ons can only use the features that ZOS have provided for them, so they are only able to do things that are allowed.Additionally are you specifically stating that any addon made for ESO is legal to use in game? Has any representative from Zo$ said this or is it your personal assumption?
Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »that any addon made for ESO is legal to use in game?
OFCOURSE!
ITS API PROVIDED BY ZOS ITSELF!
RTFM please
There has been a previous response to this question:Besides. The big problem isn't as much the Macro software delivered by Razer, Logitech or other manufacturers of gaming devices. The real problem is third party Macro software with advanced automation like pixel monitoring and lag handling. Either way. Macros are against the ToS and regarded as cheating, no matter if it makes your play harder (influence) or makes it easier (advantage), it's against the ToS that we all have signed and accepted.
I have watched a few popular streamers and seen them using addons like craftbrewer where it will macro the making of potions. Although this gives no advantage over anyone in game, is this macro allowed? Where do you draw the line on what is and what isnt allowed i wonder )) I also dislike making potions as hitting the R button over 200 times is annoying and totally unnecessary and probably lead to RSI on my hands.
Well. The ToS actually states third party software. Weather using addon LUA is considered third party software or not I don't know. But these extremes examples... Sometimes I beleive using one's intelligence is required and I'm sure Zos uses theirs in matters like this.
As to RSI side-effects of in game actions. Nothing is required nor demanded by Zos to be performed ingame, it's the player's choice. I could press the jump button 2000 times, get a blister on my thumb, and parading it in front of Zos as evidence that Macros should be allowed would do no good. Nothing in game makes it a necessity for me to press jump 2000 times in a row, nor you to press R 200 times.
Although the excellent addons that make tedious chores fast and efficient are blessings indeed. So thanks Zos for allowing that ingame.
@ZOS_AlanG
Can you provide insight on using the addon, craftbrewer, which makes potions for you, is illegal in game?
Where does this stop on macro usage?. Another add on which picks up and drops quests from boards to enable you to get a specific quest, is this illegal in game as well? We need specific examples or a more specific definition of what is and whats not.
Greetings *****,
Thank you for contacting the Elder Scrolls Online. The use of macro's is perfectly legal. There is nothing wrong with using Macros, if you have a mouse or keyboard that can be set up with macro's and you wish to use them feel free. If you have any other questions or concerns please feel free to reply to this email.
Warm Regards, Jon
The Elder Scrolls Support Team.
Maybe unfinished from the perspective of those who didn't like the answer, but ZOS was very clear in their responses in that thread. The "law" is one thing, and "enforcement" of it is something else entirely. ZOS very clearly stated the "law", and said nothing about enforcement.Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »^ this is year ago unfinished conversation, and for sure ZOS representative was wrong
because automatic addons stil lalive and still using public functions provided by ZOS
There were three replies from Molly over the period of a month, not just "one word".Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »well they still didnt restrics automatic functions in their API
so i will use addons with automatic functions
look how many downloads have MultiCraft
more than 100k
its a lot people to ban
but no bans for this addon since release
so i think its safe
one word from @ZOS_MollyH is not enough, its just a moderator of forum she didnt know nothing but only TOS/EULA
if @ZOS_ChipHilseberg will say the same - i will be listen him because he is developer of ZOS responsible for every API function for addons, and he made automatic functions available for addon's authors
/end of story
Don't worry. The add-on API is designed specifically to allow add-ons to do what they do. Unless it's a bug, anything the API allows add-ons to do is legal and just fine.I am more unsure of this as time goes on, giving that there is conflicting statements being shown.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_AlanG
@ZOS_DaryaK
Lava_Croft wrote: »Don't worry. The add-on API is designed specifically to allow add-ons to do what they do. Unless it's a bug, anything the API allows add-ons to do is legal and just fine.I am more unsure of this as time goes on, giving that there is conflicting statements being shown.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_AlanG
@ZOS_DaryaK
Right, and this corroborates what I said above. The add-on API does not allow you to do things that would not be allowed, like combining Select/Use Quickslot or Swap/Fire 3, while it does allow you to do things that are not an issue, like fast-crafting.Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »i must add this things:
"Select Quickslot" action and the "Use Quickslot" action into one action. The same would go for "Swap Weapons" and "Fire Ability 3"
impossible to do by addons
but craft_craft possible
Yeah, and we've been calling for that to be a base UI implementation forever. And again, that example is not really a problem, as it's just repeating the "Equip" action, and it's not possible to do this in combat, where it would be an issue, due to API restrictions.also possible to change all gear and all skills in one click in 1 second, alot faster than manually
I think it really depends on what you are trying to automate. For example, something which both selects a potion quick slot, and then uses it, would be a violation, as that's combining the "Select Quickslot" action and the "Use Quickslot" action into one action. The same would go for "Swap Weapons" and "Fire Ability 3", two separate actions that should not be combined into one. But when you're using something that repeats the same action multiple times, "Craft" "Craft" "Craft", it is not a problem, as it's not multiple actions, it's a single action repeated.
That's my take, anyway.
Which one? The quickslot one or the swap & fire one?There are add-ons that allow that already. They use the F1-F6 keys.I think it really depends on what you are trying to automate. For example, something which both selects a potion quick slot, and then uses it, would be a violation, as that's combining the "Select Quickslot" action and the "Use Quickslot" action into one action. The same would go for "Swap Weapons" and "Fire Ability 3", two separate actions that should not be combined into one. But when you're using something that repeats the same action multiple times, "Craft" "Craft" "Craft", it is not a problem, as it's not multiple actions, it's a single action repeated.
That's my take, anyway.
Lava_Croft wrote: »Don't worry. The add-on API is designed specifically to allow add-ons to do what they do. Unless it's a bug, anything the API allows add-ons to do is legal and just fine.I am more unsure of this as time goes on, giving that there is conflicting statements being shown.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_AlanG
@ZOS_DaryaK
Even if it automates and performs multiple actions with a single keystroke is a violation of our Terms of Service as said by Z0$ representative above. With so many downloads of addons that currently do this, i can assume it is safe to use, but i am wondering why over the course of 3 days and linking in Zo$ employees they haven't responded, busy time for them but i see they are on forums, just neglecting to post in this cheating topic.
If the add-on API allows you to do it and it's not a bug, it's completely legal. That's why the add-on API is designed.Lava_Croft wrote: »Don't worry. The add-on API is designed specifically to allow add-ons to do what they do. Unless it's a bug, anything the API allows add-ons to do is legal and just fine.I am more unsure of this as time goes on, giving that there is conflicting statements being shown.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_AlanG
@ZOS_DaryaK
Even if it automates and performs multiple actions with a single keystroke is a violation of our Terms of Service as said by Z0$ representative above. With so many downloads of addons that currently do this, i can assume it is safe to use, but i am wondering why over the course of 3 days and linking in Zo$ employees they haven't responded, busy time for them but i see they are on forums, just neglecting to post in this cheating topic.