TESO character type closest to a Bogatyr?

Bananko · April 2016

Though I'm perfectly happy with my Imperial Nightblade and plan to continue playing him, I've recently been considering doing something that I rarely ever do in any MMO: create an alt. I'm still a bit hesitant to do so, though, since I don't generally have 24/7 to play.

In any case, which race and class combo in this game would come closest to creating a Bogatyr-like character, whether he be a full-on melee fighter or more of a ranger type? And would naming him similarly to one of the Bogatyrs (or for the more accurate plural form, Bogatyri

) of old fit any part of Tamriel lore-wise?

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

If I have the definition of what you seek correct it's kind of hard to consider any class Warriorish, but thematically speaking that role goes to either Dragonknight or Templar. As for race, Nords are a hardy Warrior-type Race.

Bananko · April 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

If I have the definition of what you seek correct it's kind of hard to consider any class Warriorish, but thematically speaking that role goes to either Dragonknight or Templar. As for race, Nords are a hardy Warrior-type Race.

Thanks for the tips.

Also, which armor type and/or armor costume in the game comes closest to the Bogatyr style?

UltimaJoe777 · April 2016

Bananko wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

If I have the definition of what you seek correct it's kind of hard to consider any class Warriorish, but thematically speaking that role goes to either Dragonknight or Templar. As for race, Nords are a hardy Warrior-type Race.

Thanks for the tips.

Also, which armor type and/or armor costume in the game comes closest to the Bogatyr style?

I have honestly not looked that much into all the different styles to know for sure, so let's call the fashion police

@MornaBaine

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

I would choose imperial stam dk for this.

Better stat-wise than nord.
As for armor, imo a mix of 2 heavy malacath parts and 5 medium would work. Maybe mixed with Nord style.

UrQuan · April 2016

I'm not overly familiar with the bogatyr, as I haven't studied Russian history/folklore in any depth, but from my understanding of them, I'd agree with @KoshkaMurka here:

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

I would choose imperial stam dk for this. Better stat-wise than nord.

It seems like that would make the most sense. I'd probably go with sword and shield on one bar and a two-handed weapon on the other, and set him up for tanking with a decent dose of melee DPS. Heavy armour for the chest and helmet, and probably medium for the rest. Not sure what styles would work best though... Maybe one of the Nedic costumes would work?

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

I'd go stamplar that's the way I've always pictured a Богатырь. Plus in Russian folklore they areally often pictured with a shield and spear

Bananko · April 2016

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LadyNalcarya · April 2016

Bananko wrote: »

Unfortunately there's no typical slavic armor and helmets.

But during planemeld and (maybe) dragon break, a denizen of another fantasy world might've ended up in Coldharbour.

Kirameku · April 2016

Beresh norda dk, odevaesh v tyaj i radueshsya jizni.

I mean, typical Dovakiin.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

ai.kiramekueb17_ESO wrote: »

Beresh norda dk, odevaesh v tyaj i radueshsya jizni.

I mean, typical Dovakiin.

Почему DK? Богатыри же воины света, так что Templar подходит лучше...

UrQuan · April 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I'd go stamplar that's the way I've always pictured a Богатырь. Plus in Russian folklore they areally often pictured with a shield and spear

Hmm, I was thinking Dragonknight because from my understanding a bogatyr was usually depicted as a protector or defender, so I was thinking the in-game role most appropriate was tank. Since DKs have the best tools for tanking, I figured DK would be best. You've got a point with the spears, though, and you can definitely tank with a Templar (speaking from experience - I've done most of my tanking using a Templar). So yeah, maybe a Templar would be better.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I'd go stamplar that's the way I've always pictured a Богатырь. Plus in Russian folklore they areally often pictured with a shield and spear

Hmm, I was thinking Dragonknight because from my understanding a bogatyr was usually depicted as a protector or defender, so I was thinking the in-game role most appropriate was tank. Since DKs have the best tools for tanking, I figured DK would be best. You've got a point with the spears, though, and you can definitely tank with a Templar (speaking from experience - I've done most of my tanking using a Templar). So yeah, maybe a Templar would be better.

Hey you're absolutely right amount protector and Defender, but in all of the folk tales they fight нечисть which is basically evil beings. In one of the more celebrated folk tales one of them fights a 3 headed dragon called Змей Горыныч. A dragon knight has a part of him draconic powers and thus I think is less likely to represent this fictional persona. Templar is the ultimate Defender with holy powers, which at least in my eyes embodies the Богатырь perfectly.

UrQuan · April 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

I'd go stamplar that's the way I've always pictured a Богатырь. Plus in Russian folklore they areally often pictured with a shield and spear

Hmm, I was thinking Dragonknight because from my understanding a bogatyr was usually depicted as a protector or defender, so I was thinking the in-game role most appropriate was tank. Since DKs have the best tools for tanking, I figured DK would be best. You've got a point with the spears, though, and you can definitely tank with a Templar (speaking from experience - I've done most of my tanking using a Templar). So yeah, maybe a Templar would be better.

Hey you're absolutely right amount protector and Defender, but in all of the folk tales they fight нечисть which is basically evil beings. In one of the more celebrated folk tales one of them fights a 3 headed dragon called Змей Горыныч. A dragon knight has a part of him draconic powers and thus I think is less likely to represent this fictional persona. Templar is the ultimate Defender with holy powers, which at least in my eyes embodies the Богатырь perfectly.

That makes a lot of sense then.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2016

My first thought was Stam DK of some sort, but if you already have a Stam NB, then it is a little redundant. I like the idea of a magic Templar for this. Magic Templar might be the most versatile class combo. You can really do any roll without changing a whole lot. I would go Breton if you want to look human and have better defense or High Elf if you want a touch better sustain and damage.

Edit: Lore aside, if you only have one Alt, Magic Templar is high on the list. Everybody needs a healer once in a while. Stamplar is a very niche build if you ask me. More damage focused, and much less versatile.

Muizer · April 2016

Sounds like the OP wants to be a non-stealth, melee, single target damage dealer. There's not really any class particularly suited for that role I'm afraid. You can try any class I suppose (play as you want) but prepare for disappointment.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2016

Muizer wrote: »

Sounds like the OP wants to be a non-stealth, melee, single target damage dealer. There's not really any class particularly suited for that role I'm afraid. You can try any class I suppose (play as you want) but prepare for disappointment.

Um what? That might have been sarcasm, but you just described: Magic DK, Stamina DK, Magic Templar, Stamina Templar, Stam NB, and Even Stam Sorc. Haha

ZOS_AlanG · April 2016

ai.kiramekueb17_ESO wrote: »

Beresh norda dk, odevaesh v tyaj i radueshsya jizni.

I mean, typical Dovakiin.

This image is amazing, and the red eye on the horse is a nice touch.

I'm a little foggy on my Russian folklore, but if I remember correctly there were fantastic bogatyr who drew their strength from the mountains, or perhaps the earth itself. This lines up nicely with the DK'sEarthen Heart ability, although that has a more volcanic aesthetic. Draconic power could also represent abilities stolen from dragons, although I seem to recall some Slavic heroes (particularly in the south?) having draconic lineage.

LadyNalcarya · April 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ai.kiramekueb17_ESO wrote: »

Beresh norda dk, odevaesh v tyaj i radueshsya jizni.

I mean, typical Dovakiin.

Почему DK? Богатыри же воины света, так что Templar подходит лучше...

Почему Довакин скорее. Образ попсовый, но я б не сказала, что Довакин, и, скажем, Алеша Попович сильно похожи.
Имхо, надо брать человека стам дк, но и темплар (и маг, и стамина) подходит, и либо бретона, либо имперца (мага или стаминщика соответственно). Рожи у них у всех суровые можно сделать.

P.S. Дк по ассоциации со змеями горынычами всякими, лол.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

ai.kiramekueb17_ESO wrote: »

Beresh norda dk, odevaesh v tyaj i radueshsya jizni.

I mean, typical Dovakiin.

Почему DK? Богатыри же воины света, так что Templar подходит лучше...

Почему Довакин скорее. Образ попсовый, но я б не сказала, что Довакин, и, скажем, Алеша Попович сильно похожи.
Имхо, надо брать человека стам дк, но и темплар (и маг, и стамина) подходит, и либо бретона, либо имперца (мага или стаминщика соответственно). Рожи у них у всех суровые можно сделать.

P.S. Дк по ассоциации со змеями горынычами всякими, лол.

Так Илья Муромец же Змея Горыныча бил в пух и прах, так что не может быть ДК, он же отчасти Дракон. Но точно Стам, ведь они бились без магии, даже на картине выше воин в центре с копьем. А расса - согласен, или бетон или империал, но норм даже больше подходит.

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hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

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Bananko · April 2016

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

I'm a little foggy on my Russian folklore, but if I remember correctly there were fantastic bogatyr who drew their strength from the mountains, or perhaps the earth itself.

Svyatagor?

Artis · April 2016

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p.s. Nos, bogatyri aren't воины света, they protected Rus', not praised the Sun

Or did I forget my folklore? I think AlanG is closer to the truth. Also, I might be mistaken, but I recall some guy who had power as long as he was barefeet (so he touched the ground). Not sure, but it does sound like a DK using earthen heart. There were no dragons though, only Serpents (almost same thing though).

Muizer · April 2016

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

Sounds like the OP wants to be a non-stealth, melee, single target damage dealer. There's not really any class particularly suited for that role I'm afraid. You can try any class I suppose (play as you want) but prepare for disappointment.

Um what? That might have been sarcasm, but you just described: Magic DK, Stamina DK, Magic Templar, Stamina Templar, Stam NB, and Even Stam Sorc. Haha

You can use weapon abilities with any class. They're all stamina based of course. So the question is if there's one whose class abilities are particularly suited for stamina non-stealth, single target melee. And the answer to that is simply No. ZoS did not design any class for this role, that's a fact.

Sugaroverdose · April 2016

ZOS_AlanG wrote: »

ai.kiramekueb17_ESO wrote: »

Beresh norda dk, odevaesh v tyaj i radueshsya jizni.

I mean, typical Dovakiin.

This image is amazing, and the red eye on the horse is a nice touch.

I'm a little foggy on my Russian folklore, but if I remember correctly there were fantastic bogatyr who drew their strength from the mountains, or perhaps the earth itself. This lines up nicely with the DK'sEarthen Heart ability, although that has a more volcanic aesthetic. Draconic power could also represent abilities stolen from dragons, although I seem to recall some Slavic heroes (particularly in the south?) having draconic lineage.

Bogatyrs represents strength of mother land and fortitude of people. So it's or dk or templar, not really matter. Huge problem to make feel and look is in lack of chain-mail based motifs(i only remember "way of the air" medium set had chain-mail in base), bogatyrs as other Russian warriors of those time didn't wear heavy armor at all

Muizer wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Muizer wrote: »

Sounds like the OP wants to be a non-stealth, melee, single target damage dealer. There's not really any class particularly suited for that role I'm afraid. You can try any class I suppose (play as you want) but prepare for disappointment.

Um what? That might have been sarcasm, but you just described: Magic DK, Stamina DK, Magic Templar, Stamina Templar, Stam NB, and Even Stam Sorc. Haha

You can use weapon abilities with any class. They're all stamina based of course. So the question is if there's one whose class abilities are particularly suited for stamina non-stealth, single target melee. And the answer to that is simply No. ZoS did not design any class for this role, that's a fact.

Bogatyr is a one-man army, they're not really must be single-target

PS: in fact game also lacks of spear-weapon which also used by bogatyrs, so from my POV best-suited class for this role is stamina templar

darkstar2084 · April 2016

if you went imperial DK or templar for this, you could go both stamina/magicka. stam would be more effective for stam dps on both but will give your room if you decide to change it up later for magik builds. if you look at the thieves guild armor sets i.e Bahraha's Curse Set and for enemies some of them have slavic inspired elements, pretty sure they will be craftable at some point.

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

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p.s. Nos, bogatyri aren't воины света, they protected Rus', not praised the Sun Or did I forget my folklore? I think AlanG is closer to the truth. Also, I might be mistaken, but I recall some guy who had power as long as he was barefeet (so he touched the ground). Not sure, but it does sound like a DK using earthen heart. There were no dragons though, only Serpents (almost same thing though).

Note that I said that they fight evil such as Змей Горыныч and Соловей Разбойник. Thus while they are not specifically holy, they use their powers to fight unholy things.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2016

darkstar2084 wrote: »

if you went imperial DK or templar for this, you could go both stamina/magicka. stam would be more effective for stam dps on both but will give your room if you decide to change it up later for magik builds. if you look at the thieves guild armor sets i.e Bahraha's Curse Set and for enemies some of them have slavic inspired elements, pretty sure they will be craftable at some point.

Even on an Imperial, I am pretty sure you could pull better numbers on a magic version of both DK and Templar. Magic DK has been the pinnacle of DPS pretty much since launch, but the gap has been pretty much eliminated. I still think they are king in a traditional stack and wack. They still pull better DPS than their stam counter parts. Stamplar definitely had their time in the sun, but magic templars are actually in a really good spot right now DPS wise. I still find it hard to believe, but they seem to be topping charts right now in VMOL.

Vaoh · April 2016

I decided to lay out all off the styles seen in ESO by their respective Motif Numbers. Some motifs are not numbered. Look through the pictures and see what strikes you as aesthetically correct for your Bogatyr..... also, play a Stamina Dragonknight!

Motif 1. Altmer Craftable

Motif 2. Dunmer Craftable

Motif 3. Bosmer Craftable

Motif 4. Nord Craftable

Motif 5. Breton Craftable

Motif 6. Reguard Craftable

Motif 7. Khajiit Craftable

Motif 8. Orc Craftable

Motif 9. Argonian Craftable

Motif 10. Imperial Craftable

Motif 11. Ancient Elf Craftable

Motif 12. Barbaric Craftable

Motif 13. Primal Craftable

Motif 14. Daedric Craftable

Motif 15. Dwemer Craftable

Motif 16. Glass Craftable

Motif 17. Xivkyn Craftable (all armors available as costumes)

Motif 18. Akaviri Craftable

Motif 19. Mercenary Craftable

Motif 20. Yokudan Not-Craftable (will be in the future)

Motif 21. Ancient Orc Craftable

Motif 22. Trinimac Craftable

Motif 23. Malacath Craftable

Motif 24. Outlaw Craftable (light armor available as a costume)

Motif 25. Aldmeri Dominion Craftable

Motif 26. Daggerfall Covenant Craftable

Motif 27. Ebonheart Pact Craftable

Motif 28. Ra Gada Not-Craftable (will be in the future)

Motif 29. Soul-Shriven Craftable (all armors available as costumes)

Motif 30. Morag Tong Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (not in game yet)

Motif 31. Skinchanger Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (not in game yet)

(Nothing Yet)

Motif 32. Abah's Watch Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (light armor available as an outift)

Motif 33. Thieves Guild Not-Craftable (will be in the future)

Motif 34. - Nothing Yet -

(Nothing Yet)

Motif 35. Dro-m'Athra, known as Dromothra Not-Craftable (might be in the future)

Motif ? Worm Cult Not-Craftable

Motif ? Ashlander Not-Craftable (will not be in the future) (all armors available as costumes)

Motif ? Dark Brotherhood Not-Craftable(will be in the future) (not in game yet)

Motif ? Ebony Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

Motif ? Aetherial Not-Craftable (might be in the future)

Motif ? Kothringi Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (not in game yet)

Motif ? Draugr Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

Motif ? Dark Seducer Not-Craftable (will not be in the future) (can be worn as costume)

Motif ? Golden Saint Not-Craftable (will not be in the future) (can be worn as costume)

Motif ? Lich Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

Motif ? Hircine? Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

I decided to lay out all off the styles seen in ESO by their respective Motif Numbers. Some motifs are not numbered. Look through the pictures and see what strikes you as aesthetically correct for your Bogatyr..... also, play a Stamina Dragonknight!

Motif 1. Altmer Craftable

Motif 2. Dunmer Craftable

Motif 3. Bosmer Craftable

Motif 4. Nord Craftable

Motif 5. Breton Craftable

Motif 6. Reguard Craftable

Motif 7. Khajiit Craftable

Motif 8. Orc Craftable

Motif 9. Argonian Craftable

Motif 10. Imperial Craftable

Motif 11. Ancient Elf Craftable

Motif 12. Barbaric Craftable

Motif 13. Primal Craftable

Motif 14. Daedric Craftable

Motif 15. Dwemer Craftable

Motif 16. Glass Craftable

Motif 17. Xivkyn Craftable (all armors available as costumes)

Motif 18. Akaviri Craftable

Motif 19. Mercenary Craftable

Motif 20. Yokudan Not-Craftable (will be in the future)

Motif 21. Ancient Orc Craftable

Motif 22. Trinimac Craftable

Motif 23. Malacath Craftable

Motif 24. Outlaw Craftable (light armor available as a costume)

Motif 25. Aldmeri Dominion Craftable

Motif 26. Daggerfall Covenant Craftable

Motif 27. Ebonheart Pact Craftable

Motif 28. Ra Gada Not-Craftable (will be in the future)

Motif 29. Soul-Shriven Craftable (all armors available as costumes)

Motif 30. Morag Tong Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (not in game yet)

Motif 31. Skinchanger Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (not in game yet)
(Nothing Yet)

Motif 32. Abah's Watch Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (light armor available as an outift)

Motif 33. Thieves Guild Not-Craftable (will be in the future)

Motif 34. - Nothing Yet -
(Nothing Yet)

Motif 35. Dro-m'Athra, known as Dromothra Not-Craftable (might be in the future)

Motif ? Worm Cult Not-Craftable

Motif ? Ashlander Not-Craftable (will not be in the future) (all armors available as costumes)

Motif ? Dark Brotherhood Not-Craftable(will be in the future) (not in game yet)

Motif ? Ebony Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

Motif ? Aetherial Not-Craftable (might be in the future)

Motif ? Kothringi Not-Craftable (might be in the future) (not in game yet)

Motif ? Draugr Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

Motif ? Dark Seducer Not-Craftable (will not be in the future) (can be worn as costume)

Motif ? Golden Saint Not-Craftable (will not be in the future) (can be worn as costume)

Motif ? Lich Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

Motif ? Hircine? Not-Craftable (will not be in the future)

Forget the Bogatyr question damn fine work putting it all together...those EP styles are epic!!!