Cheating and Exploits

AnnieBeGood

He 'sounds like someone who cheats' ??? What is that sound?

Believe me there a quite a lot of cheat engine users out there who just shut up and continue.... ZOS knows who they are, they could get tracked I am pretty sure. So WHY is the cheat engine still out there?

UltimaJoe777

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

He 'sounds like someone who cheats' ??? What is that sound?

Believe me there a quite a lot of cheat engine users out there who just shut up and continue.... ZOS knows who they are, they could get tracked I am pretty sure. So WHY is the cheat engine still out there?

Zenimax would have to have a means of blocking ALL client-side modifiers to stop Cheat Engine. This includes add-ons. Everytime they try to block it from the server by any means Cheat Engine will just find a way to bypass it.

Ackwalan

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

He 'sounds like someone who cheats' ??? What is that sound?

Believe me there a quite a lot of cheat engine users out there who just shut up and continue.... ZOS knows who they are, they could get tracked I am pretty sure. So WHY is the cheat engine still out there?

Whenever someone continually claims "they try real hard not to cheat", it's a tell. This guy used every cheat every exploit he could.

lubzin

Visual bug or Cheater? often has someone showing off with these strange items

UltimaJoe777

lubzin wrote: »

Visual bug or Cheater? often has someone showing off with these strange items

Looks like Xbox has a bit of a problem with tooltip editing... Either that or someone managed to jailbreak it or something.

yumyum

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

He 'sounds like someone who cheats' ??? What is that sound?

Believe me there a quite a lot of cheat engine users out there who just shut up and continue.... ZOS knows who they are, they could get tracked I am pretty sure. So WHY is the cheat engine still out there?

Zenimax would have to have a means of blocking ALL client-side modifiers to stop Cheat Engine. This includes add-ons. Everytime they try to block it from the server by any means Cheat Engine will just find a way to bypass it.

I detect 100's of players using cheat engine each week in the games that i work on, cheat engine is very easy to detect, the issue with ESO is it dose not have an anti cheat system which can detect external cheats / programs

Paraflex

Yea ps4 had about the top 100 players in dsa use champ point 10 scaled vet dungeons and got around 35k-55k scores in weekly dsa. I wish they would look into that garbage as those players don't deserve those rewards.

Trashyratchet

Paraflex wrote: »

Yea ps4 had about the top 100 players in dsa use champ point 10 scaled vet dungeons and got around 35k-55k scores in weekly dsa. I wish they would look into that garbage as those players don't deserve those rewards.

This was infuriating. It's one thing to cheese something, but this mass cheating screwed people out of weekly rewards. I noticed one name in particular on that leaderboard that cheated at least 5 characters through it.

ManDraKE

Nefas wrote: »

Zenimax would have to have a means of blocking ALL client-side modifiers to stop Cheat Engine. This includes add-ons. Everytime they try to block it from the server by any means Cheat Engine will just find a way to bypass it.

not really. Cheat engine is not even a real cheat in terms of multiplayer games, what cheat engine does can be EASILY detected. Addons have nothing to do with cheat engine, addons are just loaded scripts with access to the API provided by Zenimax, and CheatEngine is a software that modify game variable in memory at runtime. You are comparing apples to oranges

Things get complicated when coders use custom loaders to inject their cheats into the game at runtime, that is how complex cheats for games like Counter Strike works, but that is not the case for ESO. A basic anticheat system should get rid of most (if not all) the cheaters in this game, the game is not important enough on PC to actually bring the attention of cheat coders. Zenimax is a company big enough to develop an anticheat of this kind, or they could simple paid a 3th party company to add the anticheat to their client (for example: EAC anticheat)

The real problem here is just Zenimax being lazy, or not thinking that this is a problem big enough to actually invest resources on it.

WeylandLabs

Trashyratchet wrote: »

Paraflex wrote: »

Yea ps4 had about the top 100 players in dsa use champ point 10 scaled vet dungeons and got around 35k-55k scores in weekly dsa. I wish they would look into that garbage as those players don't deserve those rewards.

This was infuriating. It's one thing to cheese something, but this mass cheating screwed people out of weekly rewards. I noticed one name in particular on that leaderboard that cheated at least 5 characters through it.

WOW !

Didnt think it was that bad until i saw the leaderboards, that sucks. Well hopefully they fix it, too bad for the honest players in the game. And to be honest players like that should be warned and if repeated banned in future instances.

smacx250

lubzin wrote: »

Visual bug or Cheater? often has someone showing off with these strange items

You can type item links into chat, and the game will decode them into a tooltip. As long as the item link is formatted properly it will be displayed - they aren't checked to see if they actually decode to a legal in-game item. This has been on PC forever, and seems to have made it to console with the inclusion of text chat. It's popped up in some other threads as well.

Barbet

Thanks for the confirmation that perma-ban just might start meaning perma-ban. The more I read about people getting banned the happier I feel. I hope the cheaters continue to run amuck, I am now equipped and willing to report. Have a nice day.

TheAngelofDeath99

He used teleport strike to exploit his way into the keep as I went through the door.
https://youtu.be/LPuoTkO8ka8

ManDraKE

TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »

He used teleport strike to exploit his way into the keep as I went through the door.
https://youtu.be/LPuoTkO8ka8

First of all, the video only shows him killing you....
Second, the teleport bug is really old, and is imposible to reproduce and/or abuse consistently, is not like the crit rush where you could easily get into a keep. With ambush if you gapclose on someone that is going into a keep, and the server is a bit laggy, you can get port in, it happend to me a lot of times and i wasn't even trying, just chase one guy that is running back to a keep/outpust and it can happend.

Stop blaming on the players the game bugs.

Lava_Croft

ManDraKE wrote: »

TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »

He used teleport strike to exploit his way into the keep as I went through the door.
https://youtu.be/LPuoTkO8ka8

First of all, the video only shows him killing you....
Second, the teleport bug is really old, and is imposible to reproduce and/or abuse consistently, is not like the crit rush where you could easily get into a keep. With ambush if you gapclose on someone that is going into a keep, and the server is a bit laggy, you can get port in, it happend to me a lot of times and i wasn't even trying, just chase one guy that is running back to a keep/outpust and it can happend.

Stop blaming on the players the game bugs.

The teleporting through doors bug is almost 100% reproducible if you get your timing right on people who are using a door.

Nefas

Ackwalan wrote: »

AnnieBeGood wrote: »

He 'sounds like someone who cheats' ??? What is that sound?

Believe me there a quite a lot of cheat engine users out there who just shut up and continue.... ZOS knows who they are, they could get tracked I am pretty sure. So WHY is the cheat engine still out there?

Whenever someone continually claims "they try real hard not to cheat", it's a tell. This guy used every cheat every exploit he could.

Lol...joke.

SwaminoNowlino

Lava_Croft wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »

He used teleport strike to exploit his way into the keep as I went through the door.
https://youtu.be/LPuoTkO8ka8

First of all, the video only shows him killing you....
Second, the teleport bug is really old, and is imposible to reproduce and/or abuse consistently, is not like the crit rush where you could easily get into a keep. With ambush if you gapclose on someone that is going into a keep, and the server is a bit laggy, you can get port in, it happend to me a lot of times and i wasn't even trying, just chase one guy that is running back to a keep/outpust and it can happend.

Stop blaming on the players the game bugs.

The teleporting through doors bug is almost 100% reproducible if you get your timing right on people who are using a door.

... So you've done it. Right? If you're certain its 100% reproducible and it can be done at will then the only explanation is that you've done it, repeatedly.

Lava_Croft

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »

He used teleport strike to exploit his way into the keep as I went through the door.
https://youtu.be/LPuoTkO8ka8

First of all, the video only shows him killing you....
Second, the teleport bug is really old, and is imposible to reproduce and/or abuse consistently, is not like the crit rush where you could easily get into a keep. With ambush if you gapclose on someone that is going into a keep, and the server is a bit laggy, you can get port in, it happend to me a lot of times and i wasn't even trying, just chase one guy that is running back to a keep/outpust and it can happend.

Stop blaming on the players the game bugs.

The teleporting through doors bug is almost 100% reproducible if you get your timing right on people who are using a door.

... So you've done it. Right? If you're certain its 100% reproducible and it can be done at will then the only explanation is that you've done it, repeatedly.

Yes, I have. Many, many, many times.

SwaminoNowlino

Lava_Croft wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

ManDraKE wrote: »

TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »

He used teleport strike to exploit his way into the keep as I went through the door.
https://youtu.be/LPuoTkO8ka8

First of all, the video only shows him killing you....
Second, the teleport bug is really old, and is imposible to reproduce and/or abuse consistently, is not like the crit rush where you could easily get into a keep. With ambush if you gapclose on someone that is going into a keep, and the server is a bit laggy, you can get port in, it happend to me a lot of times and i wasn't even trying, just chase one guy that is running back to a keep/outpust and it can happend.

Stop blaming on the players the game bugs.

The teleporting through doors bug is almost 100% reproducible if you get your timing right on people who are using a door.

... So you've done it. Right? If you're certain its 100% reproducible and it can be done at will then the only explanation is that you've done it, repeatedly.

Yes, I have. Many, many, many times.

No hate here. Been a mechanic for as long as the game has been out. I just hate when people who lead witch hunts state that something is 100% a cheat and they can prove it, but then swear they have never done it. Kudos

altemriel

@ZOS_AlanG


Hi, I want to point your attention to this supposedly cheater, It seems that he is just unkillable - his health dropped to 0% more times in that video, but he never died, spamming ultis, etc...
he is on console...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3402705


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altemriel

KramUzibra wrote: »

No perma bans, warnings first.

yes, why not,

1. warning - 1 week ban
2. warning - 2 weeks ban
3. permaban

AnnieBeGood

.......... and cheat engine is still being used in Cyrodiil.

It seems ZOS do not care, and I have even heard people say they are coming round to the idea of if you can't beat them join them. Or mutter about alternative games, it really is past time ZOS, you should have acted hard a long time ago and shown us that you will not accept this behavior.

Dral_Shady

Cheat engine is indeed still being used. While Zenimax on this forum protect cheaters by the name and shame policy and NO open debate policy by them themselves, you can to youtube and watch videos. Lately there have been videos posted again.
Zenimax this cloak and dagger attitude towards it has to stop. Take the debate with the community on whats need done because many people have lost faith in you.

Komma

They have already glorified many of the cheaters. No going back for them now. Would take a huge open push for them to recover. ESO is becoming known as the hacker game throughout the pvp community.

phbell

Komma wrote: »

They have already glorified many of the cheaters. No going back for them now. Would take a huge open push for them to recover. ESO is becoming known as the hacker game throughout the pvp community.

Sad, but true. I have been spending some of my gaming time in another MMO and ESO has a reputation for fun PvP if one can ignore the rampant cheating. Sadly I am unable to do that so I stick solely with PvE now.

sam0621

I'd like to report zos for exploiting and cheating players of the Xbox Na server out of mol. Mol has not worked for months continues to dc complete raids this has not been addressed fixed or acknowledged. Why? We payed for this content. Get exposed!!!!!

Tavore1138

fwiw in ebony eu the ep emp once again is someone who has exploited many times and who we have sent multiple videos to ZoS about, they have done nothing because they do not care about cheats... if the did they would have reacted to our many video reports.

Sad and embarrassing for ZOS.

m12d12_ESO

First off, Zenimax isn't obliged to give us explanations or proof that it's doing what we expect. We need to be adults here.

IF you believe a game is being neglected by the company that runs it, find another game to play. BUT if you want to help them, do what they ask and report with credible proof.

Though there are have been past and current cheating, PVP has gone mad with people assuming EVERYONE is cheating.

The vast majority of people playing this game don't cheat. However, because they are good players or they may use perfectly acceptable macros on a mouse or keyboard, they get accused of hard-core cheating.

All this yelling of cheating in zone and calling people out is getting old, even for me. I have noticed I play PVP less and less because of all the drama. I ESPECIALLY dislike the way we pick, and attack, and name call each other in zone.

We don't seem to care if we are wrong or right, just that we attack and accuse, mindless of how we may effect a real-persons feelings or life.

Just my 2-cents worth.

Dral_Shady

m12d12_ESO wrote: »

First off, Zenimax isn't obliged to give us explanations or proof that it's doing what we expect. We need to be adults here.

IF you believe a game is being neglected by the company that runs it, find another game to play. BUT if you want to help them, do what they ask and report with credible proof.

Though there are have been past and current cheating, PVP has gone mad with people assuming EVERYONE is cheating.

The vast majority of people playing this game don't cheat. However, because they are good players or they may use perfectly acceptable macros on a mouse or keyboard, they get accused of hard-core cheating.

All this yelling of cheating in zone and calling people out is getting old, even for me. I have noticed I play PVP less and less because of all the drama. I ESPECIALLY dislike the way we pick, and attack, and name call each other in zone.

We don't seem to care if we are wrong or right, just that we attack and accuse, mindless of how we may effect a real-persons feelings or life.

Just my 2-cents worth.

Thats is partly due to Zenimax "DONT TELL, KEEP IT IN THE DARK" policy. We simply dont know if some people "tweak" their stats in CE or they simply are good, as the confidence towards Zenimax's anti method is at an all time low. I certainly dont shout "cheat" myself in zone but can maybe understand the frustration. So you can be mad all you want at the players but in the end its Zenimax's responsibility to provide evidence of a cheatfree enviroment. So you are wrong sorry

Dral_Shady

Just go to youtube and search something random like say PS4 EU ESO Cheat Engine. Im not linking anything specific here since ofc then I will be banned from the forum like the evil person I am due to the name and shame policy.