Cheating and Exploits
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I honestly get were you are coming from but its still a slippery slope down the can't beat em join em path. Allow minor transgressions and the lines quickly become blurred into more and more stuff until we get to the CE path (imo). One now infamous player (still playing!!) posted a vid of himself to show how leet he was, until everyone saw in the vid he was using the Overload bar exploit and we all know that led onto other worse things with this same player.
Edit: Check out the vMA leaderboard scores vs a few weeks ago to see the difference between now and then.
I agree don't get me wrong. However ZOS has shown that they are not interested in policing broken skills and mechanics. Everyone just has to accept that using them is part of the meta for competitive gameplay in this game.
They're never able to fix an issue in an incremental, sometimes they don't address the issues for months or until the forums is in a rage.
Has there been any talk of gap closers being fixed at all by ZOS? Pretty much any other MMO I have played would have had that fixed by now, or release a statement saying abusing it in a competitive environment would be grounds for suspension.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is at least one botter in each Wrothgar delve at all times.
It sickens me to see the game at such a state while doing Wrothgar dailies.
EDIT: ZOS, this is all thanks to the mild punishments you enforce for cheaters. Started with Survey 3 day ban, then with returning CE users from a permaban.
Players are confident they won't get punished for cheating, and know they get to keep any and all ill-gotten goods.Edited by Dubhliam on July 3, 2016 9:03AM3 -
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✭I honestly get were you are coming from but its still a slippery slope down the can't beat em join em path. Allow minor transgressions and the lines quickly become blurred into more and more stuff until we get to the CE path (imo). One now infamous player (still playing!!) posted a vid of himself to show how leet he was, until everyone saw in the vid he was using the Overload bar exploit and we all know that led onto other worse things with this same player.
Edit: Check out the vMA leaderboard scores vs a few weeks ago to see the difference between now and then.
I agree don't get me wrong. However ZOS has shown that they are not interested in policing broken skills and mechanics. Everyone just has to accept that using them is part of the meta for competitive gameplay in this game.
They're never able to fix an issue in an incremental, sometimes they don't address the issues for months or until the forums is in a rage.
Has there been any talk of gap closers being fixed at all by ZOS? Pretty much any other MMO I have played would have had that fixed by now, or release a statement saying abusing it in a competitive environment would be grounds for suspension.
I wish they'd actually be brave enough, come out and say that. Stop with this crap about exploiting, yada yada, there are bugs that have been in the game for two years and I am sorry but two years turn those bugs into features.
But ZOS won't do it and thus the drama continues, you will have players that stick to this stupid rules and rage at those that think the rules are stupid and as significant as ZOS seems to think they are. If they removed this rule against 'exploiting' the bugs they put in the game, people would rage all at once and then move on and everyone would be free to use this 'features' until Zenimax managed to fix it. It would be fair game...
Hacking / Cheating is a completely different story though. If ZOS embraced their bugs and accepted that they are not exploits, they'd have less reports to look through and could focus on the cheaters...Edited by Grao on July 3, 2016 10:55AM0 -
Brightxdawn✭✭✭People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?3 -
Pomaikai✭✭✭✭✭
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Because the huevos have left the building.Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 4, 2016 7:39AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but again if there is no proof to be given, how do you know they're cheating.
The issue we face now is that because this issue exists everyone thinks that anything which doesn't add up right away is caused by someone cheating, as new and strong build emerge (be it via broken skills or not) then people will scream cheat rather than believe the player found something new.
Ignoring ZOS for a moment how can you explain to me that you know fully with no doubt that the people in reference are cheating and using a 3rd party program?
In a normal game you would report the person and have faith that the company would deal with the issues, however I worry that ZOS will never regain that faith.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but again if there is no proof to be given, how do you know they're cheating.
The issue we face now is that because this issue exists everyone thinks that anything which doesn't add up right away is caused by someone cheating, as new and strong build emerge (be it via broken skills or not) then people will scream cheat rather than believe the player found something new.
Ignoring ZOS for a moment how can you explain to me that you know fully with no doubt that the people in reference are cheating and using a 3rd party program?
In a normal game you would report the person and have faith that the company would deal with the issues, however I worry that ZOS will never regain that faith.
Naturally without proof you can't prove a damn thing, but right now it's easy to believe. I've seen exploits so wearily often that I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt. However, all that does is beckon looking into, but in the end that's all anyone really wants...Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 4, 2016 8:16AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but again if there is no proof to be given, how do you know they're cheating.
The issue we face now is that because this issue exists everyone thinks that anything which doesn't add up right away is caused by someone cheating, as new and strong build emerge (be it via broken skills or not) then people will scream cheat rather than believe the player found something new.
Ignoring ZOS for a moment how can you explain to me that you know fully with no doubt that the people in reference are cheating and using a 3rd party program?
In a normal game you would report the person and have faith that the company would deal with the issues, however I worry that ZOS will never regain that faith.
Naturally without proof you can't prove a damn thing, but right now it's easy to believe. I've seen exploits so wearily often that I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt. However, all that does is beckon looking into, but in the end that's all anyone really wants...
Agreed.
I think ZOS needs to reach a stage where the community once again trusts them to handle issues, that way rather than calling people out we just report and move on. As I have said in other posts in the past for other MMO games I have played I had full trust in the company running it and as such would report bots/cheats/exploits and just carry on gaming without any worries. Here however I have no faith anything will be done, and ZOS needs to do something to rebuild that faith not only with me but a large number of the game games community.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.
But you won't be hitting like a dang truck now will you, or do you have some secret that actually replaces all the missing dmg buffs you forsake for all that speed? So, if someone dmg mitigates "90%" of all damage, regenerates what dmg gets through, moves like the wind and hits like a truck there's something not quite adding up, wouldn't you agree, or we would all be geared and built like that God Mode.
In the end, it's not the player's responsibility to find nor provide proof of cheating, it's Zos's. We can only suggest a deeper analysis of suspicious players logs. If all is fine, no worries.
Speaking in general, people can stop the"video proof or gtfo" mantra by now, it's like they have some sort of self proclaimed "rights" to demand anything from anyone, well they don't. We'll supply what we have to Zos, not to them.Edited by Idinuse on July 4, 2016 11:36AMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?2 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.
Weren't you the one that got banned?4 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.
Weren't you the one that got banned?
No naming and shaming, ZOS rules!1 -
Dubhliam✭✭✭✭✭
✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.
Weren't you the one that got banned?
No naming and shaming, ZOS rules!
Is it shaming if that very same person came to the forum to complain he got wrongfully banned?
I just CBA to look for the post in this 27 page thread.0 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.
Weren't you the one that got banned?
No naming and shaming, ZOS rules!
Is it shaming if that very same person came to the forum to complain he got wrongfully banned?
I just CBA to look for the post in this 27 page thread.
Nope!
But if you bring out someone's name in the forums then it is!
Just be careful not to name or shame anyone, that all.
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✭I am beginning to think the CE contributes to the lag, after the CE came to light and players stopped using for a few days, there was such a reduction in lag that even in zone chat people we talking about the lack of lag, now that certain blob groups are cranking it back up, the lag has returned with a vengeance, might be coincidence then again maybe not.3 -
Xylphan✭✭✭✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.
No. You've geared your character for speed, and you'd be fast. But you'd be nothing compared to a speed hacker. Even with your speed build a speed hacker would fly past you like you're standing still.
In addition, if you've purposely geared for speed then you wouldn't also be able to:
1. Regen so fast you health bar barely blips.
2. Stand around at 0 hp and dance while people pound on you, then insta regen full health and kill everyone.
3. Hit like a tank and 1v10 501cp max chars.
So on and so forth.3 -
Zoner✭✭✭✭Saw more bots and speed hackers running around the coldharbour alchemy reagent route.
Followed one guy who hadn't programmed his bit correctly, so it was just going to the plants, standing over then without picking for 2 seconds, and then continuing the route.
After coming back to his computer after 2.5 hours I see him check his bag - he must have been p***ed at having no flowers - and then I tell him to stop botting. He calls me an a**hole and tells me he wasn't until I remind him I know he got no flowers because he screwed up his bot and he must be mad af.
He won't stop though. If a hacker gets off then why would people doing anything else be afraid of consequences?
Video proof of speedhacker or I don't believe you. My character is super fast because of gear and steed mundus. You'd probably call me a speed hacker.
When they port around from node to node without their legs moving and almost faster than you can follow with your vision, like the bots in the good old days around release, they're speed hacking.
Back off and cool down. Everybody knows hackers are in this game. You seem a little defensive. Also, your belief isn't required.NA EP
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Ashtaris✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but again if there is no proof to be given, how do you know they're cheating.
The issue we face now is that because this issue exists everyone thinks that anything which doesn't add up right away is caused by someone cheating, as new and strong build emerge (be it via broken skills or not) then people will scream cheat rather than believe the player found something new.
Ignoring ZOS for a moment how can you explain to me that you know fully with no doubt that the people in reference are cheating and using a 3rd party program?
In a normal game you would report the person and have faith that the company would deal with the issues, however I worry that ZOS will never regain that faith.
I'm sure there are a lot of people out there still using Macros and other game exploits, also considered cheating and against the TOS. It doesn't require the CE to do those and they are probably equally difficult to detect. It seems that for every game, virtual or RL, people will try to find a way to cheat. Unfortunately, that's human nature.
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I never said I don't think people are cheating, I asked how people know they're cheating.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but again if there is no proof to be given, how do you know they're cheating.
The issue we face now is that because this issue exists everyone thinks that anything which doesn't add up right away is caused by someone cheating, as new and strong build emerge (be it via broken skills or not) then people will scream cheat rather than believe the player found something new.
Ignoring ZOS for a moment how can you explain to me that you know fully with no doubt that the people in reference are cheating and using a 3rd party program?
In a normal game you would report the person and have faith that the company would deal with the issues, however I worry that ZOS will never regain that faith.
If you don't think people are using Macro's or other exploits, also considered cheating and against the TOS, then you are a VERY naive person.
What I am saying is how do you prove that as a player. The ToS covers a lot of what's considered cheating like abuse of game mechanics/skill in theory. However ZOS haven't decided to enforce those.
What I am saying though is how can you/we as players be 100% sure who is cheating and how they're doing it, if we do find out what they're doing and it's making use a broken skill then ZOS have already set the example that's not cheating.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭This thread's going round in circles.
It shouldn't be up to players to police the game.
It's ZOS's job.
They get our hard-earned cash for it.
Video evidence means nothing.
You can't catch clever cheaters on video.
Crank up your regen, your speed, your damage, just a tad, you'll never get caught unless ZOS do their jobs of not trusting clients and of parsing logs.
That no naming and shaming policy - only cheaters and ZOS's incompetence and/or laziness and/or money-grabbing cynicism benefit from it.
Just sayin'.
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Jaybe_Mawfaka✭✭✭✭✭Now I'm getting hatewhispers from salty whiners every day that I'm hacker/glitcher after all of this drama with cheat engine, tyvm zenimax, witch hunt is real. Even better that you unbanned some of the cheaters ( will not call the names though ) and you clearly showed everyone how much you do care about this problem, lol.0
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Barbet✭✭just checking to see if permaband means permaband. Yes I am still very frustrated with this, it still angers me that confirmed cheaters are allowed to back into the game. I am still very frustrated with this and my opinion and level of frustration has not changed. Thanks for the anti-cheat measures you have put in. Its nice seeing people get suspended (not the false positives but the people who were suspended for things that happened weeks ago.) Cheaters are going to cheat, whiners are going to wine, and a ganker is going to gank.When I stop laughing, I stop playing0
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Pomaikai✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but again if there is no proof to be given, how do you know they're cheating.
The issue we face now is that because this issue exists everyone thinks that anything which doesn't add up right away is caused by someone cheating, as new and strong build emerge (be it via broken skills or not) then people will scream cheat rather than believe the player found something new.
Ignoring ZOS for a moment how can you explain to me that you know fully with no doubt that the people in reference are cheating and using a 3rd party program?
In a normal game you would report the person and have faith that the company would deal with the issues, however I worry that ZOS will never regain that faith.
In a normal game, the GM's would have descended upon the game like a swarm of locusts to hunt down all of the cheaters.
What's worse is that they expect their players to provide ALL of the proof, which narrows down those reporting cheaters to a small subset of players who have the additional technology, software, and knowhow who can video their entire gaming sessions, and even then rarely appear to act. On the rare occasions where they do act, they rescind their actions on a regular basis.
At this juncture, ZOS /= Trustworthy.
The ONLY way that ZOS can regain our trust is to reinstate the GM program and have them start patrolling Cyrodiil, IC, vMA, vMaw, and other end game content, as well as the delves and zones teaming with bots (both grinding and crafting). Some of it VERY visibly, but most of it invisibly. Catch the cheaters in action and issue bans on the spot. Put the fear of God into the cheaters, which will cause all but the most dedicated to quit cheating, and then keep after those dedicated cheaters until you've made examples of as many as possible.
The above is the only roadmap to success that I can think of which will restore our trust and confidence in ZOS.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Pomaikai agreed.
I would start to feel somewhat more appeased if we could at least have signs that something is in the works for changing their systems. At this time it still seems as though the leadership at ZOS would rather shy away from the issues than address them.
Maybe I really am just spoilt and entitled from the other games I have played but I expected more for issues like this and in my mind the issues are so simple to solve.
The very first issue of trust and communication takes an hour tops to do, just tell us what's happening. Let us know the state of the security/GM teams, let us know that things are still in motion etc.
At this time even a simple post of "we're reading still, and we do plan to post a news/blog article on this but want to wait a little longer while we tackle issues, we can't promise you a time for this sorry." because we will feel things are going on.
Just... talk to us like adults and a community, not as children and cash cows...
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."2 -
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I never said I don't think people are cheating, I asked how people know they're cheating.UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Brightxdawn wrote: »People are still cheating and using hacks in cyrodiil. The people that were banned and let back in game are still cheating. Why the fu#@ are you "ZOStudios" letting these people back?
Just curious but what proof do you have people are cheating?
I thought the point was that most people use lower levels of the CE so that they're not as noticeable. The only people who have been noticeable of abuse were those that turned it up to 11.
People kind of gave up providing proof due to lack of faith in Zenimax handling the situation. We just want Zenimax to actually jump into their game and see these people cheating and exploiting is all.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here but again if there is no proof to be given, how do you know they're cheating.
The issue we face now is that because this issue exists everyone thinks that anything which doesn't add up right away is caused by someone cheating, as new and strong build emerge (be it via broken skills or not) then people will scream cheat rather than believe the player found something new.
Ignoring ZOS for a moment how can you explain to me that you know fully with no doubt that the people in reference are cheating and using a 3rd party program?
In a normal game you would report the person and have faith that the company would deal with the issues, however I worry that ZOS will never regain that faith.
If you don't think people are using Macro's or other exploits, also considered cheating and against the TOS, then you are a VERY naive person.
What I am saying is how do you prove that as a player. The ToS covers a lot of what's considered cheating like abuse of game mechanics/skill in theory. However ZOS haven't decided to enforce those.
What I am saying though is how can you/we as players be 100% sure who is cheating and how they're doing it, if we do find out what they're doing and it's making use a broken skill then ZOS have already set the example that's not cheating.
It's not a matter of ZOS deciding not to enforce certain rules they lay down. It is more ZOS not being able to enforce all of them due to lack of man-power. Either way a cheat is a cheat & an when the consumer confidence begins to landslide ZOS needs to make some kind of a statement to garnish the trust again.
So far for me I have not seen that happening and thus refrain from supporting this game right now.1 -
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✭I also want to make it clear that while the vast majority of my disappointment and ire is directed at ZOS's upper management, a portion of it is reserved for the forum moderators here because of their heavy handedness regarding this issue. The forum mods had the opportunity from day one to make us feel like they were on our side, that they cared, and help ratchet down the rhetoric. Instead, they have singlehandedly made a bad situation worse.2
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